Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Freshman girl interns at Denver radio station 2 weeks, snatched from bus, raped & murdered. WHO KILLED HELENE PRUSZYNSKI?

Episode Date: January 24, 2020

Genealogical databases and DNA from a beer mug leads Colorado police to a suspect in the death of Helene Pruszynski.Police believe the 21-year-old radio station intern, was grabbed while walking from a bus stop in Englewood. 61-year-old James Curtis Clanton, a Florida trucker, is accused of raping Pruszynski, stabbing her to death, then leaving her body in a field.Joining Nancy Grace to discuss: Mark Tate: Represents Chatham County, South Carolina; suing Opioid Manufacturers Bruce Johnson: Owner if ISP Investigations, Master Sgt Region One Crime Scene Commander, Chicago metro area (ret) Dr. Caryn Stark: Psychologist Dr. Katherine Maloney: Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Erie County Medical Examiner's Office, Buffalo, New York. Levi Page: Investigative reporter, CrimeOnline.com  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. A college student, an intern with her life before her, Helene Prashinsky, gets off the bus. How many times have I taken the bus back and forth to work in New York? You get off, your hands are full, you got a backpack, a pocketbook sometimes, tons of work in your hands, and then suddenly out of nowhere, you're attacked, likely from behind. I can just see somebody grabbing her by her backpack and slinging her around, and then she's raped.

Raped. Brutally raped in the outdoors, in the elements, and she wasn't just murdered. This young girl was murdered nine times over. As I recall from the medical examiner's report, stabbed nine times in the back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. And let me tell you something. How many years did Helene's family endure? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. As snow began to fall in the field where the body of young Helen Puszynski was found, obliterating any clues, authorities called off their search of the area.

Douglas County Sheriff's officers and investigators from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, aided by volunteers from the Arapahoe County Search and Rescue Unit, spent much of the morning combing the area, hoping to turn up something to lead them to the girl's murderer but found nothing. Ms. Puskinski's body was found early Thursday. She'd been sexually assaulted and stabbed. A college student working as an intern in the news department at KHOW radio, she was last seen Wednesday afternoon when she left work. Englewood police also in on the case have been concentrating their efforts near this bus stop on South Broadway. It's believed that Ms. Pocinski got off her bus after work here Wednesday night. She was abducted sometime after that.

They've been talking with people in the area looking for some clue, but so far nothing. And they're afraid if they don't find something soon, they may not find anything at all. You are hearing our friends at KUSA 9 News. That was Denver reporter Kevin Roberts. It's such a euphemism to say sex assaulted, abducted. This is what happened. This young girl, a college student, an intern with her life before her, Helene Prashinsky, gets off the bus and then she's raped and murdered. Joining me, an all-star panel to break it down, put it back together again.

Mark Tate, renowned attorney. Joining me out of the Savannah jurisdiction, Bruce Johnson, the owner of ISP Investigations, Master Sergeant, Region 1 Crime Scene Commander, Chicago. And let me tell you, in Chicago, they've never got a lack of business. Karen Stark, psychologist joining me out of Manhattan. You can find her at karenstark.com. Dr. Catherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Erie County Medical Examiner's Office in Buffalo, and New York Nickel City Forensics.

But right now, straight out to Levi Page, investigative reporter with CrimeOnline.com. Levi, let's just start where every investigation starts, and that is, I already know she's at a bus stop. Right there, that gives me a whole busload of potential suspects and everybody around that bus stop. That's a lot of suspects. Not only that, she was an intern at KHOW. How many nuts know about her through the radio where she was working?

Nancy, she's 21 years old. She's a senior at Wheaton College in Massachusetts. And she moved to Colorado in 1980 to be an intern at KHOW Radio. It's located in Denver. And she wanted to be a journalist, and she was on the road to becoming one, Nancy. She'd been in Colorado for two weeks, and she stayed with her aunt and uncle about 40 miles south of— Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. She had only been there two weeks? Yes, two weeks.

Oh, man. Okay. Did you say she's living with her aunt and uncle? Yes, they lived about 40 miles south of Denver, so she would use the bus to commute to and from her internship. Oh, okay. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Karen Stark, a 40-mile bus ride each way to work? You know, and then she gets off the bus after work, after, what, an hour-plus commute, because you know the buses stop in every, you know, taking many a Greyhound bus. And then this happens. This was probably the furthest thing from her mind. You know, a young girl has this job to be successful, to move to a different place, ambitious, and she's getting off a bus totally innocent and winds up brutally murdered, raped, and dead.

Okay, hold on. You know, Levi, I may have missed it, but where did you say she was from? She was from Massachusetts. That's where she was originally from. Away from everything she knew. Okay, back to the story. So do you know what time of the day or night it was? It was in the evening. She'd just gotten off work, so it was around 6 p.m., and she had got off the bus stop, Nancy, and she had to walk five blocks to get to her aunt and uncle's home, and she never

made it home. Okay, five blocks is not that far but that brings me to another issue to bruce johnson owner isp investigations a scene commander in chicago metro that's not easy bruce five blocks now right now we have a whole haystack for them to dig through looking for that needle which is our suspect five blocks, while it's not really a long way to walk, I remember walking home from Court TV was about a almost a 20 block walk one way. But a five block walk actually is plenty of time for someone to be waiting. If someone had been watching her and knew her route, but also, Bruce, she only had been there two weeks. So I don't know how much someone could have been watching her movements. It sounds more like a crime of opportunity.

Exactly. That's what I think, too, that from the crime scene to where she's getting off the bus, you know, when you're first initially looking at this whole thing, that's a lot of area to cover. But once you focus from where she gets off the bus, if you can narrow it down to where she gets off and that five block area, then it becomes manageable. that area and you could find out her short routine in that two-week time frame and you could you know get narrowed in on a specific area. Okay are you saying that five blocks it shouldn't be too hard for police to determine her exact path? Exactly yeah that should be that's not a lot of area to cover but remember back then they didn't have cameras they didn't have all the technology that we have there so you would be knocking on doors. You would be doing different things than you would today.

And did I get this right? Levi Page joining me, investigative reporter with CrimeOnline.com. Levi, I understand that snow obscured her body for a period of time. This is a yes, no. Is that correct? You're correct. So what about that? Joining me, as I mentioned, Dr. Catherine Maloney, Deputy Chief M.E. in Erie County,

also at New York-Nichols City Forensics. Dr. Catherine Maloney, how would that affect not only the discovery of her body, but would it preserve her body or would it hurt in some way the autopsy that's to come? Well, any time there's a delay between a person's death and when an autopsy happens, it always makes it more difficult in order to determine the cause and manner of death. Take a listen to our friends at KUSA 9. This is Kevin Roberts. The first 48 hours, I'd say, are probably very critical in terms of the kinds of information that you receive and the amount of it may very well be just that information which will identify a suspect or identify an individual who was in the area. It's kind of difficult.

I guess you might try to liken it to anyone who's asked to say, well, what did you see around noon two days ago? And that's a very difficult thing to try to remember. So we make as many contacts as we can immediately after a thing like this in an effort to try to talk with people when their memories are still in focus and that they can remember substantial information. The radio station where Ms. Pusitsky worked has offered a reward for information leading to the conviction of her killer, and law enforcement officers are asking that anyone with any information

call the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Here's a 21-year-old girl who left college, a small little town in Massachusetts, to come to Colorado to internship at Cahow Radio and was only here two weeks and was abducted at some time, coming home from work, raped and murdered in Douglas County and left. This is a young girl who was just starting her life, came to Colorado to have an opportunity to make a difference.

She wanted to be in journalism. She wanted to be a part of a bigger story. She was involved in her choir at home. And from all accounts, everyone that had anything to say about her was just a wonderful, decent, nice young lady. And it's important that we talk about her as much as we can. You are hearing the Douglas County Sheriff Tony Spurlock speaking. Very disturbing.

A young girl just starting her life only in the new city two weeks before she's snatched off a public bus, raped in the elements, and stabbed nine times in the back. And then to add insult to injury, no arrest is made. Back to CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter Levi Page. Levi, now I heard the sheriff earlier say they were questioning witnesses, potential witnesses. Where were you at noon? But I thought you said this happened in the evening. Yes, it happened in the evening when she got off of work. Okay, so maybe he was just speaking about the mechanics of an investigation.

The first thing you do in an investigation is you search for the body, of course, and apparently, as I was going to point out, her body was obscured by snow. How many days passed before her body was found? Well, Nancy, it was snow in the area, but it didn't actually take them that long to discover the body. It was discovered the next day. So within 24 hours, her body was discovered. And was it in fact on the walk from the bus to the aunt's home? Yes, it was in a field. In a field, huh? That tells me a lot, actually, Bruce Johnson, owner of ISP Investigations. So when we say five blocks, we're not talking about city blocks where you're passing one

apartment building after the next, after the next, and then you pass the D'Agostinos, and then you pass this, and then you pass that. We're talking about walking a rural route. Now, in my mind, that makes it actually easier and more difficult. Easier because there are less people, and more difficult because there are less people, less witnesses. That's correct, yeah. To see what happened, but also less people to identify as a suspect. So what do you think about that, Bruce Johnson? Yes, with being in a rural area, as you said, it's going to be less congested, less traffic. It'd be easier to look at normal routines of, you know, how busy is their rush hour traffic in their downtown area or

in this area versus in the city in a highly populated area where traffic and people are coming, going more rapidly, more people are coming on buses and transportation out in the rural area. You may only have the bus routes coming, you know, once an hour. Where in the city they may be every 20 minutes or every 15 minutes. So you'll be able to get those patterns of the bus, you know, rural area type activity a lot easier. Another question to you, Levi Page, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. So it took a full 24 hours before her body was found. I find that significant. And I don't understand why, because she was only five blocks

as the crow flies for the bus stop to her home. So was her body in route or had she been abducted and taken away? Where was her body found as it relates to the bus stop? The body was found in a field. It was away from the bus stop and away from the route that she would take to get home. Interesting. Okay, that's telling me a lot. Joining me, Mark Tate, renowned attorney, joining me out of the Savannah area. You can find him at TateLaw.com. Mark, you have defended many, many cases. But what this is telling me, if her body really was a distance away from the route between the bus stop and the home, is that the person had a vehicle. A vehicle that she was put in and taken. This isn't somebody standing behind a tree that jumps out when she

goes by and she's dragged off in the bushes. This is somebody that got her in a vehicle based on where her body was found. That changes things. Once a car enters the picture, you're really up the creek without a paddle because she could have been taken anywhere by anybody, not somebody that lived or worked along the route. See what I mean? It's opening up a plethora of possibilities regarding suspects. Right, and I think you're exactly right that this appears to me to be more of a crime of opportunity.

And I think the thing that makes it more difficult here as well is we have a young girl who is fresh to the community, who is still getting her bearings about where to be, where it's OK to be, what may or may not be suspicious, especially getting off. Mark Tate, hold your horses. Are you trying to say it's somehow her fault because she didn't know the right way to walk home? Because it kind of sounded like it. Oh, absolutely not. No, no. You know, I think it takes us all time to learn our new location.

I mean, starting ninth grade in high school, you have to learn, and it takes you a moment to understand and to get your bearings. I'm not saying any way she walked into a situation that she should have known is dangerous. Well, now you're not. You've got to get used to where you're going, your bearings. You know what? I think you make a lot of oral arguments because you just slithered out of that one really, really well. I guess you've argued in front of the Georgia Supreme Court, the Georgia Appellate Court, right?

Well, we've done a lot of different appeals work, but not usually on behalf of criminal defendants. You know, if they're not guilty and they're inappropriately accused, we generally have been successful in demonstrating that to prosecutors, and they don't continue with their efforts past an indictment. But, you know, this is— You know what, Mark Tate? Okay, I'm just going to leave that where it is because I got bigger fish to fry. Back to Helene Pruszynski, just 21 years old. Levi Page joining

me from Crime Online. So now I believe that the perp got her in a car. How could nobody see that happen? But okay, that is a whole nother can of worms for me to figure out. But I want to talk about her body. Now her body was covered in snow. And although you tell me the snow was intermittent, Levi Page, I have been told that the snow concealed her body. She was out in the elements over 24 hours, we believe. Now, is all that correct, Levi? You're correct, Nancy. And when she was discovered, Nancy, she was stabbed nine times, partially clothed, and she had her hands tied together behind her back, obviously to restrain her. Okay, hold on. Every time I talk to you, I learn something new.

I mean something significant, Levi, because Karen Stark, now that I know her hands are tied behind her back, this guy came loaded for bear. It's not that he just saw her walking along and got an urge to rape somebody. I'll never forget Karen Stark. And I told you about this when we were sitting on the set at Court TV. There was a burglary that turned into a rape, or at least that's what the defense would have me believe. But the defendant gave a statement and he said, well, Miss Grace, I went in to steal a TV and then she in, and, you know, what can I say? My little nature got up. I think he was trying to say he got an erection, and he raped the woman. So what I'm saying is, I don't, I think every rape is planned.

I don't think it just happens the way defendants would have you believe, but that's always stuck in my mind. He said that looking right at me with a straight face,. Now this guy, Karen, bound her. I think Levi just said her hands were still bound behind her back. This guy came with zip ties or ropes or hosiery or something to bind her, torture her, rape her and kill her. What's the mindset of a guy like this? Well, I agree with you. I think every rape is planned. And the reason that I'm agreeing with you is I think that the personality of someone who is going to commit that crime is such that they are just ready and waiting for their

victim. It doesn't happen that all of a sudden. Karen, of course he's ready and waiting. But what I'm saying is the mindset. This is a guy, and this is classic example. I've told it to a jury. When you are walking along, let's just pretend, let's say you're joining me from Manhattan, you're walking along Central Park with your husband and you see a little rabbit hop across the path in front of you, your instinct is what? To go chase it down and tear its neck out with your teeth? No. Your instinct would be to try to pet the little guy, right? This guy, this killer, this rapist is different than all of us. crime stories with nancy grace helene persinski just 21 years old moves away from, crosses the country for her big break in media. She is working at a local radio station, KHOW, only living with her aunt and uncle two weeks before she is kidnapped, brutally raped, tied up, murdered. Her body lying in the snow overnight before it was discovered the next day. Why and how in the hay did the killer get away? Right now to Dr. Catherine Maloney, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner,

Erie County in Buffalo. You can also find her at Nickel City Forensics. Dr. Maloney, again, thank you for being with us. When you say nine stab wounds to the back. Can you even tell which one was the mortal wound? Generally, when you do the autopsy, you can see on the inside which organs were injured. And so based on the organs that are injured, that will let you know which wound is the fatal stab wound. I wouldn't be surprised in a case like this if multiple vital organs ended up being injured. So probably more than one of the stab wounds was potentially fatal. Question. Do you believe Helene was targeted or was this a random act? Now, keep in mind what we know so far. He drove to the location. He was prepared with either zip ties, rope, stockings,

something like that to tie her up. He threw her body out in a field. What does that say? Why a field? Why that field? Because I mean, you know, Dr. Karen Stark, as we always say, perfect example, Scott Peterson, people go where they are familiar. For instance, Scott Peterson murdered his wife, Lacey. Then what did he do? He's a fisherman. He dumps her body in the San Francisco Bay where he fishes. He knows where to go. This person may have had an intimate knowledge of this field, but do you think she was targeted or was he looking for anybody to rape and murder? There is a chance, Nancy, because she was taking that same bus,

that he was focused on her. But there's no doubt that it could have been anybody that he found because he came prepared. He had whatever he bound her with. So he has a personality where he can only enjoy sex that way. He's looking for anybody to do this with. Did you just say enjoy sex? How can you put the words enjoy sex in the same sentence

with bind, torture, rape, murder? Because that's his particular illness. You think it's an illness? He's not like most people. This is something that he does enjoy or he wouldn't be able to do it. What would you call that?

What's the psychiatric or the psychological term for that? Sadomasochistic? He's a psychopath. He's a psychopath and he has a sexual perversion and his perversion is killing. Would you call him a sadistic killer? Is he a sadist and what is a sadist? Yes, a sadist is someone who enjoys inflicting pain. So yes, he's a sadistic killer. Now, Mark Tate, you represent clients of all sorts. I'm telling you right now, this is not his first time at the rodeo because you don't show up in a car with zip ties or whatever he used, manage to kidnap her, subdue her, take her to another location,

and go this many years without being caught. I'm telling you, he knew what he was doing. Yeah, I completely agree with that. Absolutely. I represented a number of young women here in Savannah, one of whose case went to trial and we got a $10 million verdict against the place where she was raped. But one thing that I disagree with all of the sexual abuse cases that I've had representing victims of priest abuse, victims in the Boy Scouts, these poor ladies who were kidnapped and raped here off of college campuses and out of hospital parking lots, is that in dealing with the perpetrators, it's more about dominance and control than it is about sexual gratification. And of course, there are exceptions to every stated rule or perception. But in general, I think you got to be careful in concluding that this is the guy's way he's sexually, I guess, aroused. I want to say that I agree with you but i think that that's part of

it as well okay so mark in a nutshell you agree and disagree in the sense that what we all agree he's a serial rapist so what are you disagreeing about i'm disagreeing that this is about about sexual intercourse i believe that based on my experience, that this is about dominance, control, domination. Yeah, I blame it all on Karen Stark because she said enjoy sex in the middle of all this. In the middle of a brutal murder and rape, she managed to work those two words in. And I agree with you, Mark Tate. I also agree with her. Hey, that's the first time, Nancy. Okay, wait, scratch that. Get rid of that. Get that off the record quickly. I don't want that on my resume. Another thing I don't understand is how the case has gone this long, this many decades without being solved.

Bruce, do you think this particular woman was targeted or do you think this was just a guy out looking for anybody that he could snatch off the street, rape and murder? I've actually had a case that was very similar to this, except it was in a hotel room, but found and arms tied behind her back and propped up. And in these type of cases, it's usually targeted. I think he knew his victim. He targeted her and was ready to go and just waiting for the right opportunity. Keep in mind, it was also dark at 6 p.m. in the winter with snow. It's dark a lot earlier. So his stalking is a lot easier. And in a rural community, again, when you get into traffic patterns and things of that nature, I think she's definitely targeted. So you think she was targeted and your number one reason for saying that is what?

Position of the body and death is a big factor, that she was bound with her hands held behind her. But he could have done that to anybody, any woman that was walking by. Was she specifically targeted? I think that she was. Usually in these type of cases, when you get all the way to the end of it, it ends up that they are almost all the time that they're targeted. The chance of it being just a rural happenstance that he just seen a girl get off the bus and was determined that day to get it is highly unlikely versus plotting it out and waiting for the victim. I think you're right. And the fact that I believe he's a serial rapist indicates he's done this before and he has a plan and he stalks his victim like a hunter would prey.

After many, many years of the family's suffering, nearly 40 years, the murder of this young co-ed, Helene Pruszynski, baffled Colorado detectives. It languished so long in their cold case files that practically everybody in her family died. But then one Thursday morning, her sister, Janet Johnson, gets a phone call. Prosecutor says homicide investigators had made a breakthrough thanks to genetic genealogy and good old-fashioned police work. Take a listen to this. It was a combination of DNA existing, technology that was available, but then the dogged police work. Work that brought them to Clanton and his present-day home. But they needed a sample of his DNA.

Fortunately, they quickly learned that he was a regular at the Full House Lounge in Lake Butler on 4th Avenue. We had been working with Douglas County, Colorado, surveilling this guy for some time, and their laboratory advised us, hey, if y'all can grab this mug, then we believe that we can get a DNA comparison. Detectives followed Clanton into the full house November 30th. We ended up getting his beer mug and packaged it in evidence and sent it to Colorado. A match leading to his arrest outside his trailer on this property. I believe once he saw us that he had, he felt like he knew this past he caught of conduct.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Investigators have had the killer's DNA for years, but with no matches in the FBI's national database, they recently turned to a new process known as genetic genealogy. We found people that shared a lot of the same DNA. Former Denver DA Mitch Morrissey's company, United Data Connect, started with those relatives. Once we started working the genealogy,

coming down his family tree, it appeared that his mother was a dead end, but she wasn't. They found her two sons, ruled one out, then went to Florida and followed the other. After surreptitiously snagging his beer mug at a local bar, they had it tested for DNA. And those results led to the arrest of James Curtis Clanton. You are hearing our friends at KUSA 9 Denver. That was Kevin Vaughn. We are talking about a co-ed senior at Wheaton

College, Massachusetts, going to her aunt's home after a long day at work at a Denver radio station. She had crossed the country, leaving Massachusetts, traveling to Denver for a big break in media. Her body, nude from the waist down, her arms tied behind her, was discovered the next day in a field that is now known as Highland Ranch, Colorado. Years pass until finally a break in the case through familial DNA. Familial DNA is only allowed in a handful of states right now across our country. Typically, when prosecutors try cases based on DNA evidence, which is true, like one in five trillion that the perp is not the one who belongs to this DNA. Familial DNA is, let's just do an example.

Let's just say Jackie Howard stabs Levi Page nine times in the back. And then on that last stab, the hilt of the knife slips and she cuts herself. Her DNA is found at the crime scene, but Jackie Howard is not in the data bank. She's not in CODIS. She's not in APHIS. She's nowhere to be found. So this is what cops do. They run a familial DNA test. This is what happened in the Golden State killer case. And they find all kind of matches. Let's just pretend through Ancestry.com. But it's not quite the match. So what they have

found are Jackie Howard's cousins, her aunts, her uncles, anybody blood related to her. Then they go start talking to those people. And one by one, they figure out it's Jackie Howard. That's what familial DNA is. And right now, the Innocence Project, the Civil Liberties, they're all angry about familial DNA. They say it's unconstitutional. But here's the reality. Those relatives willingly willingly police did not make them give their dna to ancestry.com the constitution protects you and me against unreasonable force by police not by you trying to find out where your great-grandparents came from if they came over from ireland after the potato blight that's on you if the cops make you do something without a warrant, it's thrown out of court.

But if you sign up voluntarily to Ancestry.com, the Constitution is not protecting you. So all the challenges to familial DNA, I predict, are going to be defeated. And that is how this guy is found. To Levi Page, what do we know about this guy? In the 80s, he lived just blocks from where the victim Helene got off at the bus stop. And his name is James Curtis Clanton. And he

actually has a criminal record in Arkansas, Nancy. In 1975, he pled guilty to raping a woman at gunpoint in her own home. I knew it. When was that? It was in 1975, Nancy, and he had just got out of prison. He had been out for a year when he killed Helene. Take a listen to our friends at KUSA. This is Kevin Vaughn. This is a young girl who was just starting her life. Helene Pruszynski had dreams of becoming a journalist. She was living temporarily in Colorado for an internship at a radio station when she disappeared nearly 40 years ago. Helene's body was found this morning in a field in Douglas

County, five miles away from her bus stop. Her body was found beaten and raped. No one was ever arrested for her death until now. Today, authorities announced 62-year-old James Curtis Clanton, who had been living in Florida, is charged in Helene's murder. It was a combination of DNA existing, technology that was available, but then the dogged police work that was done that helped put the pieces together for us to find that missing piece of evidence to tie it all together. Helene was a student at Wheaton College. She'd grown up in Hamilton. Her high school boyfriend says she was a beautiful human being who continues to inspire us. And after so many haunting uncertainties, this is welcome news. DNA finally did the trick and investigators didn't give up. They first identified this guy, Clanton, a convicted rapist through familial DNA.

Then they started tracking his every movement. They followed him. They knew he was not going to submit to a DNA search warrant by asking him. So what they did was follow him around to surreptitiously get his DNA. And if you don't think that's constitutional, let me tell you, it is. First, they saw him discard a milk carton, but they couldn't get any DNA from it. Then they followed him to a bar where they said they were able to get his DNA off of a beer mug that he had been drinking, and it matched up with the DNA he left when he raped Prashinsky. Straight out to you, Mark Tate, Savannah lawyer joining us. Could you please explain why something that has been abandoned,

like a milk carton or a beer mug at a bar is that that's not a foul. Cops can go and they can seize that abandoned item and get your DNA off of it. A hundred percent. They absolutely can. And, you know, there's a, it's whether the questioning or investigation involves something in which you have a reasonable expectation of privacy and you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy for the things that you do in public. Just like an officer can see the tag on your car and run it and get who's driving that car and which register to, you don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy. Can I give you a more relatable, in my mind, example?

Did you ever read the inquirer and one of my favorite articles would be where they line up for instance michael jackson or elizabeth taylor or whoever it doesn't matter i just remember theirs all their trash and they take a picture of it and say oh look whoever ate 10 cartons of ben and jerry's in Yeah. No, once you abandon it, they can grab it. So long story short, a 62-year-old truck driver arrested in Florida for the rape and murder of this Colorado radio intern, just 21 years old. This is after police used Ancestry.com to find a suspect 40 years later. To Levi Page. Levi, what happens now to the 62-year-old truck driver? Well, Nancy, he has been extradited to Colorado,

and here's the charges that he's facing. Felony murder predicated on an underlying crime of robbery, and felony murder predicated on an underlying crime of robbery and felony murder predicated on an underlying crime of sexual assault. This is what I know. This guy deserves the death penalty. A serial rapist who murdered this young girl, if we're going to have the death penalty, he's a perfect candidate. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.