Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Friday Night Special: Jeffrey Epstein Explosive Documents, Do They Exist?

Episode Date: July 19, 2025

Six years after his death, convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news, and despite the FBI maintaining that the millionaire financer committed suicide in prison, doubts linger. The  existence of Epstein documents and whether they will be released on many minds.  Despite clams by Government officials they there are thousand of videos and pictures to review, officials  confirmed there is no “Epstein client list, ”  meaning wealthy and powerful men who were provided with underage girls for sex.   Attorney General Pam Bondi Bondi released what she called the "first phase" of the declassified Epstein files in February. flight logs, an evidence list and a redacted list of contacts. The AG said at the time the Justice Department would release more case files after redacting victims’ names. When asked Bondi said a list of Epstein’s clients, was on her for review."  but in this month’s memo,   the Justice Department said there was "no incriminating ‘client list.’"  and when pressed about it Bondi side stepped the issue.   The memo stated quote “There was also no credible evidence found that Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties."  With the political furor growing, President Donald Trump, said on Thursday  he has asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to release grand jury testimony related to Epstein's criminal prosecution.  Bondi replied in a social media post,   “President Trump — we are ready to move the court tomorrow to unseal the grand jury transcripts.”   Attorney General Pam Bondi has been in office just two weeks when she announced the release of documents related to the late financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. The Justice Department issued a statement alongside "Phase 1," clarifying that the declassified files largely contained previously leaked documents that had never been formally released by the U.S. government. While many expected Epstein’s client list to reveal explosive details, most of the roughly 200-page release consisted of previously circulated information, including Epstein’s contact list and flight logs from his private jet. Amid public disappointment, Bondi sent a letter to FBI Director Kash Patel, claiming a source at the New York FBI Field Office informed her that thousands of pages of Epstein-related documents remained in the agency’s possession. She demanded the remaining files be delivered to her office by 8:00 a.m. the next day and ordered Patel to investigate why her directives had not been followed. Bondi has since stated that her office received a "truckload of evidence," which she says includes the remaining Epstein documents the FBI had withheld. She claims Director Patel is investigating the reason for the delay while other agents work to redact the remaining files. Bondi promised, “If something’s redacted, you will know the line and you will know why it’s redacted.” Many anticipate new indictments based on the documents’ contents.  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. And this is the Friday night special crime stories. And tonight, does it never end with Jeffrey Epstein? does it never end with Jeffrey Epstein? Even from the grave, the man is causing chaos amongst crime victims. This after four people connected to the case have died allegedly by suicide, including the most recent sex attack victim, sex attack

child victim, Virginia Jafray, mystery surrounding the Jeffrey Epstein files after the United States AG, Bondi, claims, quote, tens of thousands of videos. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. In a very surprising statement from the U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi, the White House promises to release more files from its sex trafficking investigation of Jeff Epstein. The FBI, according to Bondi, is reviewing, quote, tens of thousands of videos of Epstein quote, with children

or child porn. Okay, what a sicko. What do we know? The comment made by Bondi was made after a similar remark made to a stranger with a hidden camera, and it raises stakes for Bondi to prove she has in her possession unseen and compelling evidence. Now recall, this is after Bondi promised a document dump. She talked about it and angered many elements of the government when the documents were not delivered. Yet now, weeks after the AG's remarks, it still remains unclear to

what she was referring and when the documents would be released. What's the holdup? Who is in those videos? Who is named in the documents? On the heels of yet another suicide linked to these documents and this case, talking about Virginia's Jeffrey, what's happening? Six years after his death, convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is back in the news and despite the FBI maintaining that the millionaire

financier committed suicide in prison, doubts linger. Added to that fray is the fact that the FBI released prison video of Epstein had nearly three minutes cut out of it before it was made public. The video was from the only camera near Epstein's cell the night before he was found dead, and it had been described as the full raw video. The roughly 11-hour video was released in an effort to stave off the continued rumors that foul play was involved in Epstein's death. News of three missing minutes is just fanning the flames. Attorney General Pam Bondi has attributed the three minute discrepancy to a nightly system reset.

It's unclear if the missing footage could show anything relevant. The existence of Epstein documents is also garnering headlines. Government officials confirmed there is no Epstein client list, meaning wealthy and powerful men who were provided with underage girls for sex. Attorney General Pam Bondi released what she called the first phase of the declassified

Epstein files in February, flight logs, an evidence list, and a redacted list of contacts. The AG said at the time the Justice Department will release more files after redacting victims names. When asked, Bondi said a list of abstain's clients was on her desk for review, but in this month's memo the Justice Department said there was no incriminating client list and when pressed about it at a press conference, Bondi sidestepped the issue. Today is about fentanyl overdoses throughout our country and people who have lost loved ones to fentanyl. That's the message that we're here to send today. Nothing about Epstein. I'm not going to talk about Epstein. The July memo stated quote, there was no credible evidence found that

Epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions. We did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties. With the political furrow growing, President Donald Trump said on Thursday that he asked Attorney General Bondi to release grand jury testimony related to Epstein's criminal prosecution. Bondi replied in a social media post, President Trump, we are ready to move the court tomorrow to unseal the grand jury transcripts. What do we believe is in the documents? Let's start with that.

New Epstein files are teased to be released as Attorney General Pam Bondi promises many more files to come. Presidential counselor Alina Habba says that prosecutions will absolutely go forward based on what is discovered in the Epstein files. But who? What? where, when, why? Listen to Habba. Do you think by releasing information from these files, we are likely to see criminal actions being taken?

Absolutely. There is Habba speaking to our friend Piers Morgan on Piers Morgan Uncensored, and she's joined with the US Attorney General, Pam Bondi. A source had told me where the documents were being kept, Southern District of New York, shock. So, we got them all by hopefully all of them, Friday at 8 a.m., thousands of pages of documents.

That from our friends at Fox News. That is the U.S. Attorney General, the top cop for our entire country. Now they are saying that documents have been stored. I don't know what that means in the Southern District of New York. Now she said shocker. I'm not sure what she means by that. I can only suppose so I'll move forward. Stored. Why are they being stored? I don't understand that.

Because let me go straight out to Andrea Lewis joining me, now partner at Circe Law Form in Palm Beach, Florida, but for my purposes, former felony prosecutor in Palm Beach County when Epstein's sweetheart deal, it makes me sick, agh, gag. When I think about that deal I should probably hold you personally responsible but since you weren't there at a time at

the time I guess I can't but why would these documents be stored why wouldn't they be evaluated analyzed to determine if there are other co-defendants other than Epstein and his pimp, Jelaine Maxwell. Well, Nancy, you just hit the nail on the head. And to be clear, I was not at the office when this case was prosecuted, thankfully, because I do believe that this was a serious miscarriage of justice. He should have never gotten the sentence that he got.

It was ludicrous. That said, to your question about these these this evidence being stored. Well, naturally, any time there's a case like this, you would expect that the evidence is being held somewhere. But it's also generally available on electronic format. We can see that in the evidence log that we've received. All that they have given us so far is in the evidence log that we've received. All that they have given us so far is this evidence log

detailing that there are in fact photos, videos, witness statements, a laundry list of other evidence out there that has never been disclosed to this day. Let's just cut through it. Who do you think that Epstein and Jelaine Maxwell, his henchperson, are hanging out with nuns and priests and virgins?

They're rich. They're child molesters. They're trafficking young girls. So, who do rich people hang out with, Andrea? Other rich people. Who do you think? I mean, deduction.

Who is going to be in the Epstein files? Other rich and influential people just like him. That's why they're sitting on it, that's why. Well, that's exactly why someone needs to go through them and they need to stop talking about it and they need to stop saying they're going to be prosecuting people and then actually do it.

Guys, you just heard Alina Habba speaking to our friend Piers Morgan, and you heard the AGP and Bondi saying, we're on it, we're on it. The files have been stored in the Southern District of New York. What else does she have to say? Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report as to why the FBI withheld all of those documents. That from our friends at Fox News.

So they're going through it. All right. Now let me understand. Cindy Summer, joining me, crimeonline.com. Epstein died years ago at MDC, Metropolitan Detention Center, how long have they had, since Epstein died, to go through these files? Nancy, now we're going on six years that they've had the opportunity to go through these files,

release them to the American public, and prosecute people who are involved in this horrific sex trafficking ring. So years have passed. You know, I'm going to circle back in just a moment to Dr. Duane Hendricks, former associate warden at MDC. A lot, a lot of murky waters surrounding the death of Epstein. Just think about it.

Think about it. And I'm not a conspiracy theorist at all. All right. I don't think people can keep their yaps shut long enough to not a conspiracy theorist at all. All right? I don't think people can keep their yap shut long enough to maintain a conspiracy like OJ was framed. Didn't happen. However, in this case, what could be the delay in making these files public? What could possibly be the delay in us finding out who were the cohorts and possible co-defendants of

Jeffrey Epstein and his very wide-ranging child sex trafficking ring Well, we know a little bit more listen after just two weeks in office Attorney General Pam Bondi announces the release of documents related to the late financier and convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein. Bondi says that the delay in releasing the documents is due to efforts to redact sensitive information to protect the over 200 victims' privacy. The so-called Phase 1 release is expected to include flight logs and names of individuals

associated with Epstein. Okay, joining me is Dr. Kimberly Melman-Orozco, executive director, Freedom Light Human Trafficking Expert Witness, author of Hidden in Plain Sight, America Slaves of the New Millennium. You have uncovered so much regarding sex trafficking and child sex trafficking. I've got a pretty good feeling at this point. Epstein's been dead for years. Many say murdered in MDC because they, they, the elusive they, did not want their names dragged through the mud. So I've got a pretty good feeling, doctor, that at this point the victims really don't care if their names are out there as long as they can get justice.

Who do you think is being protected by not releasing these documents? The victims? Because I'm not buying that. Well, Nancy, first, I do disagree with you. I do think that the victims still do want some anonymity. They do want their names protected, at least some of them. The issue here is, and this is something that is very, very key, some of these victims recruited others. Admittedly, this is in the media, they recruited others for payment. Some of them were able to rebuff his sexual advances and instead recruited their friends.

So where do you draw the line between victim and co-conspirator? And that's an issue that they're going to have and they're going to face. The issue that I find that's very specific. Well, I've got a pretty good idea where to draw the line, Dr. Kimberley, Mellon, or Oscoe. And that would be anyone that was ever forced into sex or lured into sex with Jeffrey Epstein, I would consider a victim. Dr. Bethany Marshall, with me psychoanalyst, you have analyzed the victims of child sex trafficking many, many times.

And these are children as young as 14, and I believe younger. If Epstein or Jelaine Maxwell got one of these little girls to go speak to her little girlfriends, I still consider the original girl to be a victim. I do too, because Jeffrey Epstein groomed them. And when a victim is groomed, they lose perspective. And also the grooming takes place

in the context of an interpersonal relationship, where they maybe felt that Epstein was gonna be mad at them, disappointed in them, maybe withdraw financial reward, punish them in some way. So that strong, strong attachment system and confusion over whether they're to blame or he's to blame is going to drive them towards behaviors that they would not normally engage in. Dr. Bethany, I feel sick right now.

I think I just saw a picture of Epstein and Jolene Maxwell. When I think about these two, Rolling and Money, multi-millionaires, homes all over the world, mansions all over the world, and who do they pick out? Dr. Kimberly, Melman Orozco, they pick out runaways, they pick out children, girls from single parent homes where the mom's working. Like I would come home from school and nobody would be there. Both my parents were working. But these girls only had one parent at home coming from a broken family, feeling bad about themselves, blaming themselves possibly for the break-up.

They targeted girls with problems and those were their victims. These two multimillionaires that were born with silver spoons up their rear ends target these little girls. There they are on their private plane. You know what? Bite me. Why do they target little girls like this, doctor? Nancy, this is a common tactics that is used by anyone looking to victimize another.

They look for a child or a person who has a void in their life. They look at Maslow's higher give needs. What do they need? Are they housing insecure, food insecure? Do they have low self-esteem? Do they have the desire for self-actualization? They're making false promises.

The reality is though, he also bribed them with money. And it wasn't just little girls and children. It was adults who were recruiting others. And those adults also self-proclaim to be victims. So that's the issue here when we're looking through these records. Yes, I agree with you 100%. Any child who is manipulated by a grown adult is a victim either of statutory rape or sexual assault. Absolutely bar none. But the problem here is what happens when adults are being victimized, but also recruiting others. And so this is a more complex case

than I think the public has led to believe. And the other issue is there are documents redacted that we should be able to see. For example, the records related to Jeffrey Epstein's first suicide attempts supposedly. It's being redacted for B7A. That redaction is because of an ongoing investigation. And this is suggestive, that it was a possible assault and he was reporting that. And also there are other things that

are very suspicious. His roommate, his cellmate is no longer alive. These are issues that do need to be further explored. And we need people like you to dig into and hold these governmental employees accountable for releasing this information. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Mystery surrounding the Epstein files is the U.S. Attorney General claims, quote, tens of thousands of videos, sex videos, child porn, tens of thousands of videos are amongst the documents Bondi promised to release months and months ago. What's the holdup?

This after a fourth suicide connected to the Epstein case, an alleged suicide, I might add. I'm talking about Virginia Jouffre. What happened to Virginia? Virginia Jouffre is a 16-year-old locker room attendant in Mar-a-Lago, and she is approached byite, Ghislaine Maxwell, to work as a traveling masseuse for her associate, American financier Jeffrey Epstein. Over the promise of a $200 rate per massage, Virginia eagerly accepts.

Per massage? My rear end. This was just a little girl, like so many of the other little girls that were lured in by Epstein, who many insist did not commit suicide behind bars, lured in by Epstein and his hitch person, Bilzebub from hell, Jalaine Maxwell. Now she at this moment is trying to seek a presidential pardon. She was convicted for her role in this. Wow. Do you think Virginia's testimony could have thrown a wrench in that presidential pardon? Think about it. Joining me and all star panel, but first to crime stories investigative reporter Dave Mack. You're telling me Dave Mack that Virginia Jafray dies of suicide.

What's the cause of death? How did she die? Who was with her? Where was she? Wasn't she just released from the hospital? You're telling me that she was released while suicidal? And where did this happen exactly? Wasn't it near Gabby, near Gabby, Australia? Population 268 on the last census, 156 males, 112 females, median age 41, Dave Mack, you're telling me that in near Gabby, Australia, they have a top notch forensics team that knows beyond a shadow of a doubt that she committed suicide with the backdrop of three other witnesses, potential witnesses in a federal sex ring case.

They all die of suicide. You know, Dave Mack in Russia, they push you out of a window. So Dave Mack, tell me about Virginia's suicide. Well, what we know about Virginia's suicide, Nancy, actually comes from her family saying she took her own life. We don't know anything more than that except for this, Nancy. She was actually staying at her, she was separated from her husband and staying at their farmhouse, a $1.3 million farmhouse in area as you mentioned, but it is very lightly populated.

Her brothers were staying with her in this farmhouse. She's four weeks removed from leaving the hospital as you mentioned, and she is there, apparently, if we are to believe what we're being told, that she committed suicide in the middle of a million dollar plus farm mansion. And she is the one person- Okay, hold on just a moment. Dave Mack, I don't recall asking you to put the farm mansion up on real estate sites. Okay, we'll get back to the, as you say, million dollar mansion in just a moment.

Asking you about the COD. Now, we don't have a cause of death. That has not been released. We don't know if there's been an autopsy. Here in the US, of course, there would be an autopsy immediately, whenever there's a question. Was there an autopsy? whenever there's a question Was there an autopsy was there a toxicology screening you just stated Dave Mac that her family said it's a suicide well

Let me differ with you because her father her own father is calling for an investigation as Is her sister-in-law and others. They say that she specifically stated, if I die, believe me, I did not commit suicide. Listen to this. Family of Virginia Jiffre, led by her father, Skye Roberts, are asking her death be investigated. Roberts tells TMZ, Virginia said if she ever died by suicide, not to believe it.

Virginia herself shares comments about suicide in response to something said on social media, writing, I'm making it publicly known that in no way, shape, or form am I suicidal. If something happens to me in the sake of my family, do not let this go away and help me to protect them. Too many evil people want to see me quieted. So, Dave Mack, I'm not quite sure

where you're getting your information, but you just heard the father and a sister-in-law who is speaking on behalf of the brother is demanding an investigation. Joining me, Dr. Kendall Crowns, renowned chief medical examiner out of Tarrant County, that's Fort Worth, never a lack of business. He has performed literally thousands of autopsies. He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU and star of a hit series podcast,

Mayhem and the Morgues Set to Hit the Airwaves. Dr. Crowns, thank you for being with us. Dr. Kendall Crowns, when at least in the US, is an autopsy SOP, standard operating procedure? Dr. Kendall Crowns, when at least in the US, is an autopsy SOP, standard operating procedure? Dr. Kendall Crowns, when at least in the US, is an autopsy SOP, standard operating procedure? Anytime there's something that's concerning, you always have an autopsy. So, if there's a concern for a suicide, an accident, or a homicide, that individual will be autopsied

by a medical examiner or forensic pathologist. In cases of natural deaths where it's unwitnessed or unsupervised, so they don't have a medical history, died outside of a hospital or died within 24 hours of reaching the hospital, those will also be autopsied. And then, of course, any child under the age of six gets autopsied automatically. So in this case, Dr. Kendall-Crowns, at least in the U.S., wouldn't there have been, no question, an autopsy? Correct. There's no question there'd be an autopsy on this with the history of Epstein, with the recent history of a possible car accident, and then the history of domestic violence. There's all kinds of factors in play here

that could be something that's going on that makes it not a suicide and could be a homicide. We are talking about the suicide of Virginia Joufray. And this is one of my many, many questions. Where's the death certificate? What is the COD? Has there been a funeral? Where is her body? Don't tell me she's already been cremated for Pete's sake, destroying any forensic evidence. Who investigated this? The crack detectives in near Gabby, Australia, where there are 268 people population, last census. Who found her?

How did they find her? Did she hang herself? Did she take pills? What pills? Were photos taken? Were measurements taken? And again, what are the odds? What's the likelihood?

And of course, that can never be argued to a jury, statistics. But what? You roll the odds. What's the likelihood? And of course, that can never be argued to a jury statistics, but what you roll the dice. What are the statistics that for witnesses connected to a sex ring, a proven sex ring of the very rich and powerful, just as the feds claim they're going to release all the documents including a list of massage therapists Epstein paid for her Virginia's you fray to have massage lessons is she on the list was she about to be called as a witness how did she get tangled up with a perv, a billionaire, but a perv nonetheless, like Epstein? This is how. Sometimes he would just jerk off in front of them and rub his nipples.

Sometimes he would have intercourse with them. Sometimes he'd make them, you know, give them blowjobs. It kind of worked like a pyramid scheme. Gielin brought me in. I brought other girls in. Those girls brought other girls in. Gielin tells me that I have to do for Andrew what I do for Jeffrey.

And that made me sick. I just didn't expect it from royalty. That is Virginia Joufray speaking about how she was lured You made me sick. I just didn't expect it from royalty. That is Virginia Joufray speaking about how she was lured by Jelaine Maxwell as a little girl told she could make $200 an hour if she learned to be a masseuse, a massage therapist. Well, what that actually entailed was something very, very different and illegal. You know, when children are molested, they are never the same. They may look the same to me and you, but on the inside, they never recover.

They may learn to go about their business, hold down a job, try to have a marriage or a family. They're never the same. Now, what you were hearing is from our friends at the Miami Herald and BBC Panorama. That's Virginia Jaffray who vowed to never give up the fight, but she committed suicide. Just on the eve of the federal release of those documents, I want to go to a very special guest. You may not know her name now, but you will. She, like Virginia, was lured in by Epstein. She actually went to Epstein

Island. You know what? I will let her tell her story. Lisa Phillips is joining me now. She is the star and the host of a podcast from now on. And it's a real honor to speak with you, Miss Phillips. How did you meet, if that's the right word, Jeffrey Epstein. So I was on a photo shoot in early 2000 at the island of Tortola in the British West Indies, very close to his island. And we had a free day and another young blonde Polish model who looks like Virginia said, you know, I have a friend who owns island.

He's been so wonderful to me. He got me my visa to live in the United States. And so she just said, you know, let's go for the day. And so I just said, okay, sure, I'll go with you. And so I went over to the island and I saw two young blonde girls swimming in the pool with the older gentlemen, dark-haired gentlemen. And then later on, we all had dinner together, we hung out for the day. And later on that evening, a young blonde girl knocked on my door and told myself and the other blonde girl that Jeffrey needed a massage.

Or Jeffrey, actually she said, Jeffrey is ready for his massage. And so I just was like, what are you talking about? What massage? And so the other girl said, oh, well, Jeffrey likes, you know, massages. You just, you have to do it. So you know, I was trapped on the island. I didn't know where to go. I just, you know, followed the girl into his room to do the massage with this other young

girl. And I ended up being abused on that island. Lisa, when you say you were abused, what happened? Well, like Virginia was explaining the massages. So the massages turned into, you know, touching and into assault. Were you sex molested, Lisa, by Jeffrey Epstein? Yes I was. You know Lynn Shaw joining me. Does it ever end Lynn? Does it ever end? Lynn is the founder director of Lynn's Warriors committed to ending human trafficking and

exploitation of girls. Host of of Lindsay Warriors on YouTube. Does it ever end? When I hear Lisa and I look at her, she's so beautiful, so articulate, so poised. I mean, Lisa, has your life ever been the same? I mean, mine hasn't been the same since I was a victim of violent crime. It's never been the same. What did that do to you? You can see that I still get emotional, but I kept it silent for 15 years.

It wasn't until Jeffrey died in 2019 and I saw Virginia speak out, I thought, wow, this is a courageous woman. Wow, she has like this bravery to speak out about, you know, what happened to her with Jeffrey. But it was her story about Prince Andrew was the reason why I spoke out. Because I had a young friend, also a blonde, similar to Virginia's look, who was told by Jeffrey to go into a room to have sex with the prince. And that memory I always remembered because when I met Jeffrey for the very first time on the island, I remembered seeing that man there. So my story connected in that way.

You mean Andrew? Yes. Yes, Jeffrey introduced me to is so disgusting. And he's like a tick sucking the public's money living in a mansion. And I'm telling you, this girl's battle now woman, Virginia, your phrase battle with Epstein and Prince Andrew, she vowed not to give up ever. And I'm supposed to believe that she said, oh, yeah, you know what? I won the battle against Andrew Epstein's death. So now I'll kill myself.

I find that really hard to believe. Lynn Shaw, will it ever end? When I see Andrew trotting around Balmoral or Windsor Castle on a $80,000 horse, my stomach clenches. He should be in jail. Did you hear what Lisa just said? Same thing that Virginia said. Listen, we at the Warriors have spoken with, have interviewed many victims of Jeffrey Epstein. I want us all to first applaud Lisa for appearing and bravely speaking out. This takes a lot of strength to keep talking about what happened,

so we must all commend her. Second of all, Virginia Joufray, I will never believe, killed herself. She bravely came out as a warrior, and when she did that several years ago, all of the other victims came forward and said, finally, finally, we have some support, resolution, need attention, we're going to get some wear.

Three facts, right away law enforcement said, no foul play, nothing to see here. That was number one. Number two, Virginia was in the process of renovating her house. Number three, she was standing for all the other victims. She would not do anything to harm herself. She wanted to be that warrior for them. And I have to add a fourth point. I don't believe she would leave her children.

Something happened here. We're not getting the facts. And will it ever end, Nancy? I'm afraid to say, and I don't like saying this. No, this Epstein story is never going to end. We're never going to hear the truth and the facts about all of this. Too many complicit, powerful people involved.

And another thing, you heard Lynn Shaw say she was in the middle of a renovation. She was fighting to see her children. She would never leave them. But what about this note? What she said, she was getting ready to do battle. Listen. Virginia Jeffries' sister-in-law, Amanda Roberts, wants to release a quote written by Virginia

found in a journal at her Australian farmhouse. In her own hand, Virginia wrote, mothers, fathers, sisters, and brothers need to show the battle lines are drawn, and we stand together to fight for the future of victims is protesting the answer I don't know but we've got to start somewhere Jeffrey's brother sky Roberts believes the note was intended for organizers of the Washington DC rally of sexual assault survivors in a section of the note she writes we are not going to go

away 16 year-old Virginia Jeffrey has started working as a traveling masseuse for financier Jeffrey Epstein. But not all is as it seems. Virginia, just a teen, is being asked to complete tasks that are far outside of her responsibilities. And soon the tasks turn into sexual abuse. Tasks? It makes it sound like Epstein is asking her to file documents. He's asking this teen girl to perform sex acts. Oral sex, raping her, massaging him. It goes on and on and she is not the only girl involved. According to a wide-ranging

investigation by the federal government, Epstein and his henchperson, basically his pimp, Jelaine Maxwell, another millionaire, had created somewhat of a Ponzi scheme, a type of structure where these girls, these young girls, would go out and recruit other young girls to take part in sex acts with older, wealthy, and prestigious, let me say, clients. I would call them child rapists, but that's just me. And now we are expected to believe that Virginia Jafray just after all of the battle against Epstein, all of the battle against Prince Andrew, bringing him down on the cusp of the feds, releasing more names.

She says, yeah, you know what? I give up. I'm committing suicide. No COD, no autopsy report, no toxicology report, nothing. I went to a high school soccer game last night and the other moms were saying Virginia Jafray is probably in the witness protection program. Yes, that's where it's going. The rumor mill in high gear. And why not? Without any transparency or clarity, she is not the first person connected to this investigation to die of suicide. What about Carolyn Andriano? When she was just

14, Jeffrey Epstein began sexually abusing Carolyn Andriano and continued to abuse her for the next four years, testifying against Ghislaine Maxwell in her trial for sex trafficking, minors Carolyn Andreano found dead in a West Palm Beach, Florida hotel room at the age of 36, leaving behind a husband and five children. West Palm Beach police say she died from an accidental overdose. Carolyn Andreano is the second Epstein survivor to have died of a fatal drug overdose in Palm Beach County, Florida. The first Epstein survivor to die of an overdose, Lee Sky Patrick, was found dead in a West

Palm Beach hotel from an accidental drug overdose. After four alleged suicides connected to the Epstein case and whatever is in these documents, isn't it time we know the truth? Remember when Attorney General William Barr insisted there will be justice? Listen. This case will continue on against anyone who was complicit with Epstein. Any co-conspirators should not rest easy. Mm-hmm. Well, they're sleeping like logs right now. That's where our friends at CBS. That was attorney then Attorney General William Barr insisting there's gonna be

justice. All of you co-defendants, you better not sleep easy tonight. Well, they are because years have passed and the feds have done nothing. Why? Because Epstein's rich. All of his friends were rich and influential. He was flying around presidents, megalomaniacs, huge, huge business tycoons. Names we all know very well were in his quote, little black book.

It's disgusting. And here is former US attorney jumping on the bandwagon, attorney Alex Acosta. We did what we did because we wanted to see Epstein go to jail. He needed to go to jail. Alexander Acosta became US attorney for the Southern District of Florida in 2005. That's the same year that Palm Beach Police began a 13-month undercover investigation of Jeffrey Epstein

after allegations of sex trafficking minors. Epstein was indicted, but Acosta arranged a plea deal without informing the victims. That allowed Epstein to plead guilty to a single state charge of solicitation and procuring a minor for prostitution. The FBI delivers truckloads of files to be declassified in the Jeffrey Epstein case. According to the top cop of this country, Pamela Bondi, that's happening right now. I will believe it when I see it because this dates back all the way to a secret deal by the prosecutor down in Palm Beach where Epstein got basically a

camp. He could leave whenever he wanted to with a valet, a driver, and nobody said a word. After one mom comes forward and says, he raped my little girl and we still don't have justice. Has everybody forgotten what happened because I haven't? You know what? Let me jog the federal government's memory. Listen. Sometimes he would just f*** in front of them and rub his nipples. Sometimes he would have intercourse with them. Sometimes he'd make them, you know, give them b****. It kind of worked like a pyramid scheme. Gielin brought me in. I brought other girls in. Those girls brought other girls in. That's where our friends at Miami Herald and you were seeing

Virginia Roberts-Jefre speaking about what happened to her when she was a little girl, a little girl, about age 14. Yeah. Rubbing his nipples in front of a little girl. And we find out just who the victim is. I had been a runaway and I had been abused before. So to have this ability to get educated and do something with my life, I thought I was turning around.

That from our friends at Miami Herald, but that turning point turned into this. She is instructed to disrobe as Maxwell and Epstein are both naked. She describes Maxwell and Epstein touching her and that she went along with it. Virginia says, I let them abuse me and I did what they told me to do.

Dr. Bethany Marshall, she's an adult now, but it still sounds to me like she's blaming herself. I let them abuse me. That's not the dynamic. No, no, no, no. It was a power differential. It was two on one. She was just a little girl. You know, children notoriously, they don't know when they're abused if the act is coming

from themselves or from the other person. So this confusion is persisting into adult life. Victims don't just recover miraculously. They blame themselves throughout the lifespan. They are subject to disturbed relationship patterns, sometimes drug abuse, PTSD, flashbacks. So, you know, the fact that she's coming forward amidst all these symptoms that are persisting for her

is pretty remarkable. You know, Dr. Bethany, when you mentioned flashbacks, a lot of people don't believe in suppressed memories. They're real. And I, when you mention flashbacks, a lot of people don't believe in suppressed memories. They're real. And I'll give you an example. One of my best friends within the district attorney's office, just a brilliant, brilliant legal mind, I had known her for three or four years. She started having flashbacks of being molested by a family member.

It destroyed her marriage. She ended up getting a divorce. The child, they had a child that was in shuttle back and forth between the parents and her life was turned upside down when she remembered the molestation. And even now you hear Joufray talking about, I let them molest me, as if somehow it was her fault. Okay, so you've got a secret deal with Acosta down in Palm Beach. And then you've got Barr saying,

we will seek justice. Well, that never happened. Now you've got Bondi saying, we're releasing the files. Well, when? When will there be justice? You know, I'm just very curious to Dr. Kimberly Melman-Orozco, executive director of Freedom Light Human Trafficking, expert witness, author of Hidden in Plain

Sight, America's Slaves of the New Millennium. Do you recall the case that you analyzed of Spider, AKA Dr. James Joseph. So James Joseph was on America's Most Wanted investigation discovery, brutally, brutally trafficked multiple women. He also got a sweetheart deal the first time he was prosecuted. I think he got 18 months

despite violently, violently trafficking women. It wasn't until years later as he continued to commit his crimes where he was prosecuted in California, I served as an expert witness both to the grand jury for his indictment and at trial where he was sentenced to life in prison. So when they talk about this sweetheart deal for Epstein, it wasn't really out of the norm for that time, unfortunately. unfortunately, there are numerous alleged traffickers and persons committing crimes against children who are getting away with

slap on the hand sentences because it's being perceived as difficult to prosecute. And one key point here, Nancy, is that Epstein was atypical of a trafficker. He was paying his victims typically in trafficking situations. You have talked about in your show numerous times following the money. And I agree with that wholeheartedly, especially in trafficking situations. Most of the time for trafficking, the money is flowing from the victim to the trafficker. It was the complete opposite in this situation. And therefore it might have been perceived as difficult to prosecute. The thing that is extremely important here though, was the concealing this from the alleged victims,

concealing this from the girls that he did abuse and waiting until afterwards. I think that is the key problem here. Unless Bondi comes through on this, this will be another case of the rich and powerful prevailing on those weaker, less cunning than they are, specifically these girls that were raped and sex trafficked by Epstein and his wealthy and influential friends.

When will the documents be released? Do you really think they're sitting on them to protect the victims? Because I don't. This goes so far back. In fact, I remember when renowned attorney David Boyce, who is Virginia DeFray's lawyer, spoke out. Listen.

It doesn't matter how many contacts you have. Doesn't matter who your family is. Doesn't matter how many contacts you have. It doesn't matter who your family is. Doesn't matter how much wealth you have. You're not above the law. That's from our friends at ITV News. That was David Boyes when he represented Virginia, Jeffrey. He says it doesn't matter how rich you are, how powerful you are, but apparently it may. Despite a long-awaited document release, many files remain secret in Jeffrey Epstein's contentious sex trafficking scandal. Why? Why? Why are the files secret? Trump promised the files would be released, but they haven't been. haven't been. Why? Why, Bondi? Now, listen to presidential counselor Alina Habba with our friend Piers Morgan. I don't see how it's not shocking that there were so many individuals that were hidden

and kept secret and not been held accountable. I don't like it, but I'm not shocked because this has been going on since the get-go with Epstein. That's where our friend Piers Morgan, uncensored and more from HABA. You have to hold individuals who are indeed rapists accountable. We have to have them tried, in my opinion. Yes, okay. Of course, they have to be tried, but the files have to be released first so we can determine who, if anyone, is going to be tried.

And we're not getting out of Epstein because he either committed suicide or was killed at MDC. That from our friend at Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan, uncensored. And Bondi, the new U.S. Attorney General, speaks out. You're looking at these documents going, these aren't all the Epstein files. You know, they were flight logs, they were names and victims names. And we're going, where's the rest of the stuff?

Bondi with our friends over at Fox News speaking out. Yeah, where is the rest of the stuff? Well, apparently sitting in boxes at the Southern District of New York's US Attorney's office. That's a mystery right there. But it goes on and on and on, seemingly a never-ending quest to keep these names secret. Sydney Summer, joining me,

CrimeOnline.com. Sydney, what are the files? What do we think is in the files that have been so carefully hidden from us. Nancy, we've seen flight logs, a contact list, a new evidence list, and what prosecutors are calling a masseuse list that contained 254 named victims. But what we expect to see is a client list. That's what everybody wants to know. We have his contacts, but this is just somebody's phone contacts. It doesn't necessarily incriminate any of the people that are named in that contact list. What we do want is the client list, people who actively participated in the sex trafficking

ring, knowing that the women there providing massages were underage. It is known that on Epstein's private plane, he would ferry underage girls along with high-profile U.S. citizens and others to his private island. For what? To play a game of checkers? No. That's not why. Speaking of this so-called client list, listen. While many were expecting Epstein's client list hoping it would contain bombshell implications,

the majority of the roughly 200 page document dump is made up of previously disseminated information like Epstein's contact list. Among famous names in Epstein's contact list are rockers Mick Jagger and Courtney Love, Michael Jackson, actors Alec Baldwin, Dustin Hoffman, and Ralph Fiannis, and supermodels Naomi Campbell and Liz Hurley. Others include Harvey Weinstein's brother, Bob Weinstein, David Koch, Alan Dershowitz, and both Ivana and Ivanka Trump. Several political figures are also named.

Former New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, John Kerry, John Huntsman, Senator Ted Kennedy, his sister-in-law, Ethel Kennedy, and her daughter, Kerry Kennedy. Okay, I doubt Ethel Kennedy or Kerry Kennedy were involved in child sex trafficking. I doubt that Alan Dershowitz, my colleague, is involved in sex trafficking. Maybe none of these people. But isn't it true? Dr. Bethany Marshall, people like Epstein insinuated himself into circles of power and privilege. That does not mean everybody on his client

list has done anything wrong. I mean, do you really think Kerry Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy had anything to do with this? Hell no. But in all of these documents, you know there's probative evidence. So I'm not surprised that these rich and powerful people are in his list.

But you know, Nancy, from another perspective, we know that pedophiles congregate together. They congregate online, they disseminate photos, they exchange information. So I don't understand why law enforcement would go online to track pedophiles through their contact lists, but Jeffrey Epstein's contact list is exempt from the public.

That doesn't make sense. I mean, I agree with you that Ethel Kennedy and some of these people obviously did not know what was going on, but there are many wolves among the sheep. And if you do not expose this contact list, then we don't know who those people are. And I just want to say all those smiley photos of Epstein and Gillan Maxwell, they're not smiling because they're a couple. They're smiling because they're recruiting people with money and all the resources are flowing up and they are in there with all these high net worth individuals and that is making them so, so, so happy.

You know, to Angie Lewis joining us, partner of Circe Law from in Palm Beach, excellent trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor in Palm Beach. There were grand jury tapes that have just recently been revealed. Grand jury tapes that the evidence was heard in front of the grand jury that were recorded as is customary. Are you surprised based on what you've learned from those grand jury tapes, that these documents today, these years later, are being kept secret? The victims who testified were asked a series of questions about being, essentially being

prostitutes and really almost in an accusatory manner, almost incriminating them in terms of some criminal activity. And so what came of that, of course, and what everyone has seen in these transcripts was that the prosecutors knew the police knew even back then what Epstein was up to and how terrible what he was involved in. Yet we know what ended up happening. So, no, I mean, at this point, obviously, that should be a clear indicator that further investigation is warranted and that there are other people out there who need to be imprisoned.

And of course, what she just said, what Angela Lewis just said is critical, because when you force a little girl to be a prostitute, when Epstein and Jalaine Maxwell forced them to be prostitutes, there had to be a John. There had to be a John. Who are the Johns? Why aren't the files being released? released. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Speaking of Jeffrey Epstein,

his name has been thrown around quite a bit lately in the Sean Combs trial because Sean Combs chief of staff, Christina Corumum never testified at trial and she was widely compared to Jeffrey Epstein's chief hitch person Jelaine Maxwell. Epstein's over-the-top $77 million Manhattan mansion has eight stories, 19,000 square feet, 40 rooms, and a heated sidewalk. When the FBI raided the home they found a lead-lined panic room beneath the stairs and a life-size female doll hanging from a chandelier. Inside a hidden safe agents found $70,000 in cash, 48 loose diamonds and other jewelry, a bin of hard drives, and a passport from a foreign country with a picture

of Epstein under another name. There were binders upon binders of CDs filled with lewd photos of young girls. The Department of Justice releases Phase 1 of declassified Epstein files, as more documents are expected. According to the top cop in this country, Pam Bondi, and her counselor, Alina Habba, counselor to the president, their quote, absolutely will be prosecutions. Question, when?

All the documents haven't been released. They've been in storage. That's a nice way to put it. In the Southern District of New York, U.S. Attorney's Office. Now, I want you to hear from the horse's mouth, the U.S. Attorney General, Pamela Bondi. Director Patel is going to get us a detailed report as to why the FBI withheld all of those

documents. That's been our friends over at Fox News, and I can't wait. Do you think that detailed explanation about why the documents were withheld will ever see the light of day? You know what? I don't care why. I just want to know that justice is being pursued. Let's get back to the fact that we're missing one main witness and that would be Jeffrey Epstein. Why? Why is he dead? Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden at MDC,

author, Who Are You? See It, Say It, Seize It, now president of a new Daylight Foundation. You know, many experts, not just me, question whether it was a suicide. Why did that happen, Dr. Hendricks? Based on the factors of what we know, it was a colossal failure, unfortunately,

by the agency that I worked for for a number of years with the staff, you know, not tending to counting and being accountable for Mr. Westing throughout the night. Speak English, Hendrix, speak English. Who did what? Apparently, he committed suicide. And it was over three hours before they actually went

and checked the cell. They're supposed to do 30 minute rounds. Apparently he committed suicide. You know, Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, I really respect you, but aren't you just a little embarrassed right now? Apparently he committed suicide. Like, we don't really know because the guards that were supposed to watch him every 30 minutes Were shopping online and asleep. Yes

And they should have treated him like they eventually treated delaine maxwell when she was at the mbc not mcc And they should have had staff sitting in front of his cell Monitoring his all of his actions and his behaviors when When I was a correctional officer back in the late 90s, you know, I was with Ted Kizyski there at FDC Dublin and they put cameras in his cell and they probably should have did that with Epstein. The other failure, in my opinion- You know what, again, I deeply respect you

and what you're doing now, but coulda, woulda, shoulda ain't helping me tonight. I'm trying to figure out, was he murdered or did he commit suicide? Because a lot of renowned experts, not lawyers like myself, but medical examiners say he did not commit suicide. Which leads me to concerns about Jelaine Maxwell, the only other potential witness in this case. Oh, here we have the attorney general William Barr weighing in. I was appalled and indeed the whole department was and frankly,

angry to learn of the MCC's failure to adequately secure this prisoner. Mm hmm. Appalled, shocked, angry. That's where our friends at CBS. But yet, the main witness against potential co-defendants in those files is now dead. Darn. What a co-incident. The way that worked out. Joining me, Dr. Kendall Crowns, renowned chief medical examiner, Tarrant County, that's Fort Worth.

He is esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU, launching a new podcast. Dr. Kendall Crowns, I know there is evidence supporting both sides of this, but what tends to suggest this was not a suicide? So there's a couple problems with it, the injuries he has. The next structures, the thyroid cartilage, which is right about here, and the hyoid bone, which is about here, he has fractures, two fractures in the thyroid cartilage, one in the hyoid bone. And it's odd for him to have so many fractures with just fractures in the thyroid cartilage, one in the hyoid bone. And it's odd for him

to have so many fractures with just a simple hanging. Usually with a simple hanging, the ligature kind of pulls up on the neck, compresses the structure and causes them to die, especially with a large sheet type hanging. And what we're seeing is with these fractures is he potentially has got this ligature wrapped around his neck pulling back and causing these fractures. And then if he moves, it can cause another fracture. So it's odd that he has these two fractures and then you throw in the fact that he has contusions on his wrists, was he restrained? You have a couple of findings that make it very strange

that it could be a suicide, but it also could be a homicide. And it's just not very clear. When you say there were factors that were strange, I could not agree more, but what are you referring? The contusions on the wrists, I don't feel that there are the bruises on the wrists. I don't feel they're being very clear

about what those look like or how they are because his hands could have been tied together with another restraint or another piece of sheet. Hey, Dr. General Crowns, we're looking at the scene right there. And the only way he could have committed suicide is to tie the binding that he created to the bunk bed. He obviously didn't have any platform high enough for a traditional hanging. He would have to have tied that and then just leaned forward and let the pressure asphyxiate him. How likely is that? Correct. I mean, that's a type of the way it is. He can't suspend himself or anything of that nature. He's going to have to lean into it. And again, that's gonna be a slow kind of pressure on his neck. So these fractures that we have are very, very odd

that he has so many fractures from just kind of... They don't fit, Dr. Kendall, crowns. They don't fit, do they, with suicide? It is odd. It doesn't really fit. So I'd have to have more explanation, more information to even make a decision on that. I'm not a Republican and I'm not a Democrat, but I beg you, Trump, do not pardon Jelaine Maxwell. Don't do it. Huge miscarriage of justice. Joining me now, special guest Bill Daley, former FBI investigator, security expert. Bill Daley, you know the ins and outs of the feds like the back of your hand.

What is happening? When can we get the names in these documents? Well, Nancy, certainly there's been a, basically a truckload of documents now brought down to the attorney general's office and they're going through them. There will be some time to kind of pull this all together because there are going to be various investigative elements. There's going to be interviews. There's going to be grand investigative elements. There's going to be interviews, there's going to be grand jury statements,

there's going to be other information out there, whether it's hard drives, whether it's videos, whatever documentation also was found, whether in one of the homes or all the homes. So it's going to take a while to pull it together. You know, one of the things that always has troubled me about this case, many things. Certainly, it was the circumstances around Mr. Epstein's death in the correctional facility in Lower Manhattan, but it was also around other people who were either material witnesses or those people who aided and abetted. There are many people who were involved in this case, whether it happens to be people who were attending at the Epstein homes, whether it's pilots or crew on the aircraft, who both probably knew, saw, were aware of what was happening, saw these young women being brought on, saw some of the perpetrators, some of the victimizers

also being transported around. And so those people who I'm not too sure why we never heard either statements about them or whether they themselves were complicit in some ways, if not given a pardon. Bill Daley, former FBI investigator, forensic photography expert, security expert, do you ever just get sick to your stomach to see how wealthy and powerful people are protected? They never face justice. Yeah, Nancy, and I think the American people also feel the same way.

The new administration is running transparency. The new FBI director has come forth saying he would be very transparent. So has the attorney general. I believe them. I want that to happen. I want that to happen for the American people, because so many of us have seen some of these cases go and come. and we say, why is it always just the kind of the regular folks that you find yourselves being put in jail? And it's the other people who've, some of them have very obviously committed some of these acts or certainly never held their feet to the fire from a prosecution standpoint. So in this case, I really hope that this will result in some of these

victims, these people who have victimized, that there will be some justice for them. At the same time, I also am concerned about Mrs. Maxwell and her safety, because as more of this comes about, as more information comes to light, is that her life could be at risk, whether in or outside the confines of a penitentiary. You know, I'm glad you brought that up, Bill Daley, to Dr. Dwayne Hendricks, former associate warden, MDC. Dr. Hendricks, right now, Ghislaine Maxwell is in the FCI Florida Correctional Institute

in Tallahassee, and it is low security. If someone could murder Epstein in high security, what about low security, Dr. Hendricks? Well, one thing, anybody can be killed anywhere, whether it's in a correctional facility, whether it's maximum or minimum or anywhere. But I will say if there were any threats or if there were any credible threats to her

life, you know, the agency does have an excellent intel office. They do a lot of work with other agencies to include the FBI. They're staff members of the joint task force. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Dr. Hendricks, did you just hear Dr. Kimberly Melamon Orozco state that Epstein was in fear for his life at the time he died? So who is going, nobody protected him.

Who is going to protect Jelaine Maxwell? It'll be the same people, different staff. It'll be the same agency and staff and other law enforcement personnel. If there's any credible threat, they will place her in special housing and if they will need to move her to a different facility, uh, they would do so at that time, but again, anyone can be touched at any time, unfortunately. And if she feels that she's in fear of her life, she needs to, at any time, she needs to report that to staff and she needs to check, try

to get herself checked into special housing or removed from that facility. So and that's just how that works. The last we heard of is Elaine Maxwell. She was whining about her Thanksgiving dinner. What about it, Sydney Sumner? Yeah, Nancy. So Maxwell is apparently claiming that she has limited funds and her connoisseur is empty, meaning she went hungry on Thanksgiving Day.

I find that very hard to believe. It may not be a private chef like she's used to with Epstein, but I find it very difficult to believe that the inmates wouldn't get fed at the FCI. You know what? Maybe she'd like a little bump up to a better jail in exchange for her testimony. Think about it, Maxwell. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace signing off.

Goodbye, friend.