Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - FRIDAY NIGHT SPECIAL: SHOCK QUERY - DID KILLER BRIAN LAUNDRIE'S PARENTS KNOW GABBY WAS MURDERED?

Episode Date: September 13, 2025

After weeks of speculation,  the announcement finally came. The Teton County, Wyoming, coroner, Dr. Brent Blue, released that Gabby Petito died by strangulation. Petito’s boyfriend Brian Laundrie quickly became a person of interest.  News broke of a domestic violence issue in Moab where Gabby was made to be the aggressor.  Brian Laundrie returned to his Florida home on September 1 without Gabby, but with the converted camper van the couple had been traveling in on their cross-country road trip. He used Gabby's money to fund his cross-country drive back. No one told the Petitos where their daughter was or where she went missing.  Then Brian Laundrie went missing himself. His remains were later found after he committed suicide, still with no news about Gabby. Questions arose about what parents Chris and Roberta Laundrie knew about Gabby's disappearance and then death. The Laundries  were the subject of a civil lawsuit filed by Gabby Petito's parents, who alleged that the Laundries inflicted emotional distress by acting with knowledge of Petito's death and the location of her body, which the Laundries denied. In depositions related to the lawsuit, Brian's parents admitted Brian told them Gabby was "gone" and that he needed a lawyer, while denying they knew she was dead.  Gabby's dad Joe, and stepmom, Tara, joined Nancy Grace at Crime Con 2025 and in the studio, to discuss  how the Petitos learned of their daughter's death, as well as how they have dealt with the knowledge that Brian Laundrie's parents reportedly knew Gabby was dead and did not share the information.  The Petitos also share about their latest philanthropic project, the Laramie Project to provide a security fence for a Laramie domestic Violence shelter. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace, and this is the Friday night special crime stories. And tonight, shock query. Did killer Brian Laundrie's parents, his mother and father, no, Gabby Petito, had been murdered. Did they know that all along? Refusing to let her parents know and launch a wild goose chase for their daughter? Tonight, joining us Gabby Petito's dad and stepmom. Not only are they

analyzing what happened then, but wait until you hear what they are doing now. Now, they are doing now. What they are doing for other crime victims? It's amazing. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. I don't want to try to defend myself by saying anybody pushed her away. She gets really worked up. When she knows, she swings, and she had herself on her head. So I was just trying to push her away right on. I was just really stressed this morning trying to get a lot of work done. And I was apologizing.

I had thrown a bunch of stuff in the back because all our bags are back then. I was just apologizing. I was like, I'm sorry that I get so stressed out. Okay. How in the world was Brian Laundry deemed the victim in that scenario? did you hear that? How many times have women been victimized? And the man says, quote, she really gets worked up. Then you see Gabby, who was murdered, apologizing. It like is my fault because she threw something in the back seat. Just so you know, the police pulled them over

after reports had occurred of Brian Laundry beating Gabby Petito slapping her in the face on Main Street. Why am I emphasizing Main Street? Because if he would do that on Main Street, what would he do in private, i.e. out in dispersed camping where her remains were found. Completely Bass-Ackwards. and she paid for the police mistake with her life. Joining me right now, two people that we all think we know so well because we've seen them on TV, we've heard their voices. But now joining me, Joe and Tara Petito. This is Gabby's dad and stepmom.

they have been co-parenting with Gabby's stepdad and bio-mom for years and years, all four of them. I believe Tara, they call you a bonus mom. Yes. And they call Jimmy Bonus Dad because we're more than step. We've been in Gabby's life since she was very little. I've been there from the start. As a matter of fact, isn't it true, Tara, that very quickly, after you met Joe, now your husband, you saw photos of Gabby, just a little bitty girl.

Oh, yeah, we met when Gabby was just about eight, nine months old. We didn't start really dating until about six months later. But, you know, one of the first things he did show me was a picture of Gabby. You know, Tara, a lot of guys. and I guess women, but mostly guys in the dating world, they hide the fact that they have children or they don't even care, they don't even think of talking about their children because they're so disconnected and they're more focused on

getting a girlfriend and all that entails. But not Joe Petito. Joe, what is your single most, I know there's a lot, but what is your single most vivid, memory of Gabby when I ditched work with her so it was like bring your daddy

bring your daughter to work day and my work was boring Jim's got like a cool job like he would run into burning buildings and you know all that stuff you know fire pole whatever no I had reports and stuff so she was so bored and she's just you know I could see it

and she's like you know let's get out of here And I'm 100% where do you want to go? And we went to the Museum of Modern Art. And we hung out there all day. And then we went to, I think it was the Starlight Diner after that in Manhattan. And then we went home. But that was fantastic. I haven't asked that about my fiancé Keith before he was murdered.

And it's literally a moment. I've got so many memories. But it's literally a moment. One moment. I lived on the bottom floor of my dormitory. And to come to the. the room, he'd have to go through the lobby and then walk down a circuitous route and hallways. He would come to the window and throw something at the window of the dorm and I could just

look at it. I remember one of those moments and I looked down at him and he had beautiful blue eyes. And that moment when he looked up in smile, that moment is just something that just stuck in my memory. I mean, there's so many of them, but that's one of them. I don't know how anybody can pick just one with all the birthdays and events and Christmases and, um, do you let yourself, Joe, think back on all of those amazing times with Gabby, or does that get you upset? No, I think about it all the time. I mean, yes, I get upset because I can't have any more, but no, I think about it.

it all the time. And yeah, I try to make sure I have those moments with my boys, too, because you just never know. So we really try to cherish everything in every moment, you know, and really you live for today, but you plan for tomorrow. And that's what we do. What about it, Tara? Well, I'm going to say, I mean, I cherish all the memories that we had. And again, like Joe just said, I wish we could have more. I find myself all. often looking at all the pictures. Gabby loved to take pictures, and I'm so grateful that we have so many of them. But right now, I mean, she would have been 26 years old, and she has friends

having babies and getting married and as happy as I am for them. And I'm so, you know, I just, we're never going to get that. I'm never going to see my grandchildren from her. And that's something that's extremely painful. I've been thinking about everything that we talked about at CrimeCon, everything you're saying right now. Territ, you just said something really powerful. It's not what you've already lost, but what you are going to lose. You stated that you will never have grandchildren with Gabby. When did that hit you like a ton of bricks. I mean, do you visualize Christmases and Easter's and

grandparents' days together what it would have been like? I mean, what, when you think of that, what do you visualize? That is a rough one. I don't think that I really try to visualize that because I think that would be way too painful. I don't think I have visualized that. I mean, I think about

Gabby every single day. I try to look for signs from her every single day. I think about her brothers and sisters not getting to spend those times with her. But damn, yeah. I know I'm never going to have those grandchildren, but have I ever visualized it, no. I think that would be, it's too hard. I did. I did tear it, but I had to stop. I would visualize us moving Colorado, because Keith already had a job lined up. He was a geology major.

And I would have been teaching school, English, or college, I hope, Shakespearean literature. And we would have three children. And I let myself do that. It was kind of a comfort thing. for years, but then it started taking over and it wasn't comfort anymore. It was upsetting. And then I had my twins and I learned to not allow myself to do that because it takes you down into, you know, a depression or worse. It's very upsetting. And you have your family now that you're helping through Gabby's death. How are they at this juncture dealing with no Gabby,

no Gabby here anyway? The boys are definitely having a very difficult time. My youngest, right now he's really struggling. I think he was too young to really realize what was happening. He was only 10 years old. But now he's 14 and he's really, It's been hitting him hard the past couple of weeks, the past couple of months. I just try to focus on them as possible. I try to let them know that they are allowed to have happiness. Gabby would want them to have happiness. I let them know that Gabby's here with us, maybe not in physical form,

but her spirit's always there, just so that they know that they have a very long life to live and they're going to have a lot of memories. But to keep her always there. Jo, do you ever get sick when you hear people talk about closure? I mean, I just heard Tara, there's no closure. Because even now, the boys are struggling. And as some of them get older and it starts to, they realize what really happened, that's going to be very difficult to take in.

There is no closure. I don't know why people say that. So I don't get sick. I mean, internally, I'm like, yeah, no, that's not, that's not a thing. You know, you don't get over the death of a child, but there's no better word to use. And I understand where they're coming from and their intention behind it, to be honest with you. I really do. So, but I just, there is no closure on a death of a child, you know, or your, your partner that you see an entire life with, you know, and. And it's what you do afterwards, you know, that can make you get through the days and it's kind of why we do what we do now. And we get our focus, you know, with the foundation and trying to help people. You know, that's one of the reasons that we're on today, you know, that's what we're trying to do.

You know, we're trying to, there's a domestic violence shelter in Laramie that needs some help. They need a security fence and the, excuse me, what it said, it's 54,000. And we're going to match, we're going to put up half of it. So we're going to put up 27,000. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You're doing so much with the Gabby Petito Foundation. But one thing you recently told me is about Laredice.

It's a shelter near Laramie. is it actually called Laridice? No, they call themselves Laridice. It's just, I guess, it's spin on the words. It is Laramie, Wyoming. They're an amazing organization. And Nikki and I were able to visit them last year. We spoke at their luncheon.

And when we went to the shelter, we noticed that they did not have a security gate. And it was something that was really disturbing because they put their lives at risk every day. Um, they've already had, uh, issues where abusers will stock, um, their, uh, their victims. Um, and it's, it's, it's, it's, again, it's not most of, most shelters have security gates. And so we came up with this idea that we wanted to raise money to try to, to try to get them that because again, they put their lives at risk every single day and just not right. You shouldn't go to work in fear. Um, you go to a shelter also to, to, be protected from your abuser. So they are really in desperate need of this date. You know, Tara, I remember prosecuting all day long and I would work at the Better Women's Center in Atlanta in the evenings. And a volunteer, I was a volunteer, wouldn't even know the location of the shelter for a really long time, months and months and months, if not over a year, before a volunteer who was working the hotline could

know where the shelter was, right? Because that's a very real danger for victims to be brutalized, and then they finally get away, and then the perp finds out where they are. We sign NDAs before we go. They don't even have a fence, what, Joe? We sign NDAs before we go. Yep. Because we can't give out the addresses. That's right. Well, you're right.

Because Perps have found the shelter and have followed the victim and tried to kill the victim at the shelter. And then there are other people there that are collateral damage. So this fence, these protective measures are really needed. You go to Gabby Petito Foundation.org. and when you go there and click on that, you'll immediately see how to donate to the Laramie Project Shelter. Tell me about who are the victims there, Joe. These are domestic violence survivors that need assistance

and they need to make sure that where they are going to be safe. The name of the foundation is called The Safe Project. And they do amazing work. And they, like I said, Tara and Nikki Weren't spoke. there and the last thing they should be worried about is, hey, listen, I got away, now the person's going to break into where I'm at. I mean, that's the fear that you shouldn't have. This is a process of healing.

It can't start with having more fear where you are. And that this is why this is so important. Nikki and Tara and are going there what this weekend? This is week. We're going back there this weekend to speak at their luncheon again. Just us being there has brought in more people. sold out last year and i think they only have a couple tickets left for this year so it just brings in more money for them and that's what our foundation is um all about it's about helping other

organizations uh devu organizations and missing organizations um i mean we do a lot of other things as well but that's those are our main two things i mean listen we have a first responder program that jim's going around the country with uh nicky and tara do a lot of education and prevention around the country. I do a lot of the legislative work. So when it comes to what we're doing, it's a lot. But this right here, this is just going to be our short-term goal is to get them their fence right now and do what they can to make sure that everyone that's there or come there in the future have a safe place to do. Joe, when did you decide to launch the Gabby Petito Foundation and why?

Nikki came up with it before Gabby's service because we had so many people reach out and there was so many questions on what to do and what you saw and stuff like that and we just wanted to help as many people as we could and get as much information to people as we could and to be honest with you the amount of work that Tara and Nikki do I mean Jim and I do a lot of work too but it's nowhere near the amount of work that Tara does and that Nikki does. And I'll tell you, they are the brains behind the operation and watching them work is just admirable at its least.

They are amazing together. She paid me to say that. Darrell, when did you know in your heart that you couldn't just sit by and do nothing after Gabby was murdered by Brian Laundry? When did you know you've had to do something? It was right before Gabby's service. I mean, nothing that we could do, obviously, is to bring Abby back as much as I would love to be able to do that.

It's just not possible. But Nikki came to us right before her service and was like, let's start a foundation. I think at that point, we didn't really know what that meant. We didn't know what we were doing. I've never ran a foundation before, but I knew in my heart that we had to do it. So many people helped us, and we don't want this happening to anybody else. else. I mean, our goal is really to be put out of business. That's what we, that's what we want. I think most TV organizations, that's what they want. They want to be put out of

business because, I mean, it has to stop. The violence has to stop. I've got a question for you. When you hear or read online, dare you do it, people attacking you? How do you deal with that? Just totally ignore it? I think in the beginning, it used to really hurt reading that. And then we have amazing supporters that actually would defend us. And we didn't have to do anything at that point. Now I just kind of laugh at them.

I look at them like their bots. They have no idea. They haven't done any research. And lucky for them, maybe they've never been in a situation where they've needed any resources. Have at it. Do what you know how to do. What are the different things that you do through Gabby PetitoFoundation.org? Again, I mean, it's kind of like we said before what we do, you know, the education prevention, Tara and Nikki go around the country talking to colleges and conferences and foundations at all types of events. You got to break it down, Joe. Education about what?

DV education and prevention. So right now, Jim is out there. He's a first, has always been a first responder. And he developed a DV, it's like Unseen Advocate. So it's a DV prevention program that he goes and teaches first responders. And EMTs. EMTs. And then Nikki and I will go around.

We'll, we will this next week, I think next week we're speaking at a high school. Nikki's already spoken at a high school. That's what we would like to get in. And red flags, you know, where to go. If you see situations, you know, similar to, you know, X, you know, and they're talking about these events and these situations that people in, especially when you gear it towards the younger generation, proper friendships, relationships, because they're just new. And it's also about keeping your airways safe.

I mean, Gabby was strangled. So a lot of people do not know the dangers of being strangled, even if it's just for pleasure. um or i mean that anybody that strangles you is the most dangerous person to walk the earth most like if they're going to strangle you um they are ready to kill you yeah yeah and then listen then there's the legislative stuff we do you know there's a lethality assessment that we're trying to get everywhere matter of fact uh i'll be up in albany in october trying to champion a bill that's up been up there for the state of New York. Then we'll have, what, Utah, Florida, and New York that'll have it. We just trained the LAPD about two months back. They are using the Maryland

Network Against Domestic Violence's Lethality Assessment now, too. So just doing as much as we can is just everywhere. We're working on some legislation in Australia and the United Kingdom as well. Now, I want to circle back on what the legislation is that you're working on, but something that Tara said about prevention, DV, domestic violence, I would see by the time I got them, they would be felonies such as aggravated battery, a woman would lose her eye, use of her eye, or forever use the use of her, lose the use of her arm or a finger or a leg even, or an aggravated assault where the victim is shot, stabbed, beaten with fists. So they'd be a fellow, or they're dead. That's how I would get the case in court. By then it's a felony, right? And it was a constant

stream. I remember one woman coming in and it's like a body cast from the hip down on one side of her, her whole leg, ankle all the way up. And she was on crutches. of course, and trailing behind her was the perp. They came together, and she came up to me and wanted to drop charges. Of course, I reamed him a new tailhole and refused to drop charges and let him know, that's my decision, not hers. My point is, all I could do at that point has put somebody behind bars for a good long time. But what you're doing is trying to stop it before it happens. We're also trying to change some of the mentality behind it.

You know, I hate, listen, I don't want to bring up politics because I think politics is just a ridiculous, you know, topic, to be honest with you. You know, but there was something that was said yesterday that I was tagged in and it was, and you can, we'll go offline on. on who it was, but someone pretty prominent made a comment where even a small, you know, fight between a husband and wife in the home is now considered criminal or, you know, and it was just making light of that topic where it's not the disagreements or the arguments that you have, but the idea that someone would say something like that and, you know, and not understand there's some serious ramifications behind, even small fights what people will consider and there's dangers behind it and there's it's it's just not okay and

it's that mentality that we need to change and uh i mean we were talking about it last night i can't believe i actually heard something like and that's that's what we're trying to to change that type of old way of thinking that that's okay it's not not okay because abuse is a process i mean we know that when brian killed gabby that that wasn't the first time he strangled her. He had strangled her many times, many times beforehand. I mean, now we know that. We didn't know that then. But a lot of times they love bomb you, they isolate you, they start gasoliding. I mean, it doesn't always, it's not, they're not going to physically abuse you right away. They got to win you over and make you think that they're the best thing, the best thing ever.

And then they will slowly show their true colors. So it doesn't just happen overnight. It takes some time. I mean. And it's crazy how they're always the same process. Yeah. It really is. So it's really just teaching.

Well, there's statistics that show that when you kill someone from strangulation, you've done it before. And she also disclosed that to her friend, one of her friends. I've got a question. are you convinced that Laundrie's family knew Gabby was dead for weeks and let you and everybody else search for her while refusing to take your calls? It is my opinion.

I'm going to say it in terms that I'm allowed to say it. It is my opinion that they definitively knew. and nothing that anyone says will ever change that. I've seen too much information to say otherwise. They knew. And I hope hardly. Again, under our law, no one has been accused, no one is a person of interest or a suspect,

and hiding Gabby's murder. Everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That said, what have you seen that convinces you what have you seen that gives you the opinion that the laundries damn well knew Gabby was dead could it be that they sent $25,000

to a Wyoming defense attorney where her body was found before she was found that would be a possibility I think so yeah I mean, that would try to do it for me. I mean, and in Christopher Laundry's deposition said that Gabby was gone, that Brian called and said Gabby was gone and that he needed a lawyer.

I mean, but then he tried to say, oh, because she just ran off. I don't know anybody that needs a lawyer for a breakup. Yeah, no. I've never needed a lawyer for a breakup. I didn't know where I sent $25,000. How many times did you try to reach them? We all know, Brian Laundry drove across the country in Gabby's Ford Transit, arrives at home in her car, and nobody said, none of the laundry said, hey, where's Gabby?

There's a car. You're here. Where's Gabby? How many times did you call them to find out where's Gabby? And nobody would tell you. I don't know how many times I did. I know I did a few and texted a few. You called a few.

Jim called a few. Nikki called a few. I mean, we kept calling and texting, but it got no responses. But, I mean, listen, and nothing's going to bring her back. And is, listen, we heard every day, you know, we go through the process every day. But it really does, the stuff that we do now and the work that we do now really does make a difference in impact in our lives and making us feel, Like it's not that it's worth it, but maybe there's meaning behind it. So, you know, I don't know, you were one of the first people to put a smile on our face, you know, back when this happened.

You know, I don't know if many people know that, that you put me on your family thread for the twins' birthday and accidentally. And like, are you coming? And I didn't know how to respond. And I showed Tara. And it was like one of the first times that we laughed. To be honest with you, like, we actually had a smile on our face. And she's like, you have to respond. So, you know, and then we, you know, all that stuff.

But that was one of the first times that we laughed. So I'll give you that. I don't know how to put you on that text. It was to all the parents about the twins' birthday party. And at that time, everybody in the grade had to be invited to the mega blowout at the jumping house or whatever it was. And it was just not a good time unless somebody threw up. or got a black eye or a fat lip at the jumping house. So that's what you mistakenly were invited to all the good times.

What exactly was on that text, by the way? I think I replied that, listen, I think you're kind of far. Plus, I don't think this was meant for me, you know. But then I got, I guess, pictures from the event. And then Tara's like, we were just laughing. Like I said, it put a smile on our face at a dark time. He wasn't going to respond. And I'm like, you have to.

You cannot not respond. This is amazing. You know, most people would love to be able to even meet you, and here he or he is on your text thread. It was awesome. But thank you. Thank you for giving us that laugh. We really needed it.

And you want to thank me for inviting you to the Twins Jumping House party? I'll come next time. Who doesn't love a good Jumpy House? Nancy Grace. Gabby's stepmom, Tara, who helped raise her, they refer to her as a bonus mom, spoke with our friends over at the squeeze, a very disturbing question.

His room was completely gutted and renovated. None of his things were there anymore. It was gone. So that very same week, Gabby was made. and cops were going to their house to try to get, I guess, a scent from their dogs to look for Brian. All his things were gone. That from our friends at The Squeeze. Again, the laundries are not charged with any criminal wrongdoing.

They have not been named suspects or persons of interest. In fact, they are innocent of all criminal wrongdoing under our jurisprudence. Innocent. The sheer willpower. of Gabby Petito's four parents is amazing, that they have taken their pain and their anger and turned it in to something so amazingly good. This is a discussion I had with Joe Antara at CrimeConn, 2025, out in Denver just a few days ago. Before he murdered her, he assaulted her on Main Street in some little town.

And the cop named Gabby, the aggressor, even though witnesses stayed, they saw him hit her. So everything that could go wrong went wrong. And somehow the laundries knew more than you did? No, I was the person who was responsible came home back into their house. And I think it was $25,000. You know, they had to write a check at $25,000. I sent a check for $25,000 to their attorney up in New York, Bertolino, who then sent it to a defense attorney in Wyoming. How did they know the location in Wyoming that they needed a defense attorney?

Well, you slow down and say that again. So Brian Laundre, the fiancé, walks in the door, and nobody said, hey, where's Gabby? Actually, no. That's not. So he called, he called his mom on his drive home. and they had a long conversation and immediately afterwards the parents called Stephen Bertolino and then I guess the next day a wire went from the laundries to Bertolino and then Bertolino hired some high power criminal defense attorney in Wyoming.

And that was the retainer of $25,000. Now I don't know about anybody in this room. If your child asked you for a $25,000 check, are you guys going to ask why? right just wondering Joe and Tara Petito what is your message tonight to families out there looking for their loved ones to families that know the one they love is being abused and your message to people that are being abused Okay, so that would be three different messages. So I guess the first one is if your loved one is missing, don't give up. Keep trying.

If you're not getting answers from the media and if they're not helping you, take it to your own social media. Make your own social media. Push it as much as possible. Advocate for your loved one as much as possible. Can I give a dark one of that? I'll give a dark one of that. Sure. So for the media and the outlets and stuff, this is going to sound really horrible,

but they need stuff that people will watch and content, a photo sometimes isn't enough to keep people's attention. So videos and or sounds where people can hear and see the body movements and stuff can really make an impact on getting that story out there further. So if you have videos or even live photos and stuff where you You can hear them. Try and put those out there as much as you can as well because that's some of the stuff that TikTok and like Instagram stories or the mainstream media will pick up on because

of that. I do find that to be helpful. If you're going through a situation similar to Gabby, reach out for help. Reach out to a family member, a loved one. There's a National Domestic Violence Hotline that you can reach out to. They have lots of resources even on their website. Don't give up that hope, just keep trying, come up with a safety plan. Know that you deserve, you deserve a life of happiness free from abuse.

If you are in a situation where you're being abused, like Tara said, you know, 1-800-799 safe is the National Domestic Violence Hotline, but you'll see, like one of the things that happened after the Netflix documentary, which is really cool, was we got to see so many people tell their stories on how they got out of their situation, to inspire others that there's light of the end of the tunnel. And if I would say kind of watch those, that there are better times ahead. And it's a journey, but there are better times ahead. And, you know, relationships can be a wonderful thing. I mean, she's amazing. I'm an idiot, but she's amazing. So seeing stuff like that can really help. And if you are in a safe place, and you have a story that you would like to tell

and get out there to help inspire our others, I would encourage you to do that too. I really love the bracelet you gave me. It says Gabby Petito, she touched the world. What did you mean by that? She touched the world. She touched everybody. Everybody, listen, when it comes to what Gabby was doing and the way she helped others see themselves in her, you know, in certain situations and stuff. And I mean, there wasn't a country that didn't contact us, to be honest. So she really did. She really touched the world. And I hope others can be inspired by the way that she would do things in terms of travel and just try and be nice. Just be a nicer person. It's, I actually find it more difficult to be a jerk than it is to be nice. It gets easy to be nice. It's difficult

to be a jerk. So, you know, it takes a lot more energy. Yeah. And sometimes the people aren't worth your energy. Get back. It takes a lot of energy. Yeah. And they're not worth it. You know, listen, and you, you would say something before, like, how do you, you know, with social media. My kids have, kids, the one thing that parents know about children is that children say sometimes the darndest things were like, man, you don't have to be so mean to me. You know? So I care about like three people in my house, my two boys, anything that anyone else says. But they're not talking to me. So, but other than that, say what you want.

You know, we're still going to help as many people as we can. And that's why we're trying to help the safe project right now. That's our short term, you know, this week we want to raise that money and get them their fence. And hopefully the people that are there are they going to come there and we'll sleep better at night knowing that they're in a safe place. That's, I mean, that's the bare minimum that we could offer, right? Guys, joining us tonight are two people that have really touched my life. And I hope you're alive.

And it's all because of Gabby Petito, the beautiful, beautiful girl. Please, in her name, help them, help us go to gabbypetito Foundation. And for starters, you can send to donate to the Laramie Security Project, a shelter for people that need it so desperately. I don't know what is to come. I don't know what will happen in the future, but I do know this. I have two friends, and you're looking at them. Tara and Joe Petito. Godspeed, my friends.

Thank you. Thank you for having us, Nancy. Thank you, Nancy. Nancy Grace signing off. Good night, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast.