Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Girlfriend Decapitated After Refusing Sex

Episode Date: November 18, 2022

Justin Fields, 38, and his girlfriend have an evening out to celebrate his birthday. Back at home after the evening, Fields asks for sex, but the girlfriend turns him down. Fields gets angry and stabs 52-year-old Tammy Bailey dead. Fields says he stabbed her once, then blacked out.   According to the sheriff, Fields says he went into his own room and fell asleep. When he woke up, he reportedly said he thought he was having a bad dream and went on to stab his girlfriend over 100 times.  Bailey was decapitated and her head was found near her feet.  Bailey was waiting for police outside his home when they arrived.  Joining Nancy Grace today: James Shelnutt - 27 years Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective and Former S.W.A.T. officer; Attorney (Gadsden, AL), The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C.; Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm Dr. Scott A. Johnson - Forensic Psychologist (Minnesota), 32 years specializing in addressing sexual predators; Author: "When “I Love You” Turns Violent" and "Physical Abusers & Sexual Offenders" Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet;" Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan" Kyra Purvis - Reporter, ABC 33/40 News (Birmingham, AL); Twitter: @KyraPurvis_TV, Facebook: Kyra Purvis ABC 33/40  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Saturday afternoon, deputies received a call for a welfare check on Bailey Drive in Springville. The call coming from Tammy Bailey's sister, who was also her next door neighbor. Sheriff Moon says Bailey was stabbed more than 100 times, but that wasn't even the most disturbing part. She was beheaded and her one of her lower limbs was cut almost completely off it. We believe the very first blow,

which was straight to the chest through her heart. We believe that was a lethal blow. Now some of the victims family members live right next door. We're talking about 20 feet or so away from where Tammy was murdered. Did you hear that? Stabbed over 100 times. Murdered 100 times over.

Then dismembered. But why? You were hearing our friends at ABC and WVTM. That is an entirely different way of thinking, a different mindset, not just to kill, but to overkill. And the mind of a stabber is different from the minds of all other killers. This scene, so disturbing. Take a listen to what the sheriff says. Two investigators and the crime scene tech,

who's one of my patrol lieutenants, that responded to this scene, they probably have close to 100 years combined experience in law enforcement. And they said this is the worst thing that they've ever seen. Sheriff Moon says now mental health for his deputies is top of mind, but resources for that help are ever seen. Sheriff Moon says now mental health for his deputies is top of mind,

but resources for that help are lacking statewide. But it is something I think that the state really needs to look into, not just for dealing with mental health on the outside, but, you know, helping us and all law enforcement, you know, across the state to try to find some avenues and some resources for our guys. Just imagine this, a murder scene so upsetting, so disturbing. The sheriff immediately goes into protection mode for his deputies that were so upset by the murder scene. Stabbed over 100 times and then partially dismembered, then left there. But this type of murder phenomena is not new. Take a listen to this. Tell me exactly what happened. I think I killed my wife.

What do you mean by that? What happened? I had a dream, and then I turned on the lights, and she's dead on the floor. How? How? I have blood all over me, and there's a bloody knife on the bed and I think I did it. Okay, is she awake at all right now? What makes you think she's dead? Is she awake? She got breathed. Okay. Oh my God.

Okay, do you think she is beyond any help i don't know i'm too scared to get too close to her okay just stay on the phone with me sir i'm i'm here with you i'm here with you i'm so scared you are hearing the 911 call associated with the so-called cough syrup killer, Matthew Phelps. Listen to this. The autopsy report gives us a lot more insight into what Lauren Phelps endured that night. And as you mentioned, I did sit down with the defense attorney to really delve into the claim that her husband did this all under the influence of cough medicine. A medical examiner says 123 cuts and

stab wounds were found on Lauren Phelps' body, more than 40 on her face and neck, more than 20 on her torso, and dozens more on her arms. Her husband, Matthew Phelps, is charged and says too much corticine cough medicine is to blame. Okay, then he said he had a bad dream about it. That reminds me of OJ Simpson having that bad dream about murdering Nicole Brown. It's funny how killers seem to have premonitions. Oh, just like Scott Peterson did. He had the premonition that he would be a widow, and this would be his first Christmas without his wife, Lacey. And guess what? It was after he killed her. So you've got them stacking up. People that choose stabbing as an M.O.,

modus operandi, method of operation, to commit murder. Their mindset, unlike any other stabber's mindset. With me in all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now, we're talking about the case of Tammy Bailey, who was found stabbed 100 times and partially dismembered. I'm going to go out to special guest Kyra Purvis, ABC 33 in Birmingham. Thank you for being with us. You can find her on Twitter at Kyra Purvis underscore TV.

Kyra, tell me what exactly was found inside the home when Tammy Bailey was found dead. They found her in the home laying on the ground, head near her feet, and one of her lower limbs separated from her body. Oh my goodness. Stop right there, Kyra Purvis. Joining me, ABC 33 and 40 in Birmingham. I was just thinking when you said they found her with her head near her feet, I was thinking at first that she was bent over double. We covered a story and I investigated as well the other day of a child, a little boy being folded over and put in a suitcase. And then another similar case where Heather Mack murdered her mother and folded her up in a suitcase. And I was thinking about this woman, Tammy Bailey, when you said her head near her feet, it's not because she was folded over, Kyra.

It's because she was dismembered. Some of the sheriffs told me that it was the worst thing that they've ever seen. They've never seen anything like it, like they were talking about with mental health. They don't know how their officers are going to deal with seeing something like this. With me is Kyra Perr of a special guest, joining us, ABC 3340. You know, Joe Scott Morgan, I want to follow up on what Kyra just said. She's got a lot more to tell us.

Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star of a hit series, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, are you ever so saturated? You're a death investigator. That's your profession. Do you ever get so saturated you feel you just can't take it anymore? Yeah, to a certain degree. But for patrol officers, it's a little bit different, Nancy.

You know, they might be coming off of, say, for instance, a missing child case. They might be coming off of a burglar alarm. And the next thing you know, they get this call that's kind of unknown, and they show up, and it's a real shock to their system. Look, I signed up for this to be a medical legal death investigator. I know that every scene I go on is going to be death after death after death. For them, it's a little bit different, and this is why they get hammered so hard when they respond to these kind of cases in an acute sense. For us, it's kind of a chronic way of living. But for them, it's really hard to come back from this.

Dr. Scott A. Johnson joining me, forensic psychologist, joining us out of Minnesota. 32 years in the business, author and the star, in a sense, at forensicconsultation.org. Dr. Johnson, the other day, well, it's almost every day, when we're getting in the car to take the twins to school, I say, you remember my friend, the old Georgia State Patrol officer, told me I've never pulled a live body out of a buckle seat belt. That's all it takes. I can hear the buckle start snapping. One day I said it and I think it was Lucy in the back seat. She said, Mom, do you think he ever got tired of seeing dead bodies? And it just hit me. He probably did. This scene with Tammy Bailey stabbed over 100 times and dismembered was so upsetting,

the officers had to go in for therapy after they saw what happened. How do you deal with something like that? Of course, you know, dealing with what we'd still call post-traumatic stress, you know, the unexpected extreme event. A lot of it is just processing the scene you know what did we come upon and how did we react and and mostly what are we going to do with it you know we talk about it we need to talk about it um we may never see such a horrific scene again however we're not really prepared up front to see it.

You know, no training can prepare you to see such carnage. Back to Kyra Purvis joining us, ABC 3340. Kyra, what parts of her body were dismembered on top of being stabbed 100 times? Well, Nancy, we have her head that was, like we said before, right beside her feet. And then we also have her lower limb that was semi-detached. wasn't completely detached semi-detached sounds like he just got tired of doing it because it's got to be a guy he very rarely hit i mean look at the stats i'm not just hypothesizing you don't really hear of that many women that are dismembering people therefore hiding the body or trying to dissolve it with some type of a chemical

not for dismembering so he do i have this right kyra he decapitates her and then begins to chop up her entire body by taking off one leg and then just kind of quits yep that's basically what happens okay uh again it's not the first time I just told you about the cough syrup killer, but there's more. Do you remember the name Marvin Weller out of Palm Springs? Listen to our friends at WPBF. Two months after Melvin Weller filed for divorce, Palm Springs police arrived at his home February 11th to find Weller lying in a pool of blood that covered more than half of the kitchen floor with multiple stab wounds and lacerations on his body. An autopsy revealing Weller had been stabbed 140 times all over his body and he also had a skull fracture caused by a blow from a meat cleaver to the right rear of his head. Police say they found knives and a meat cleaver in the kitchen sink, a bloody nightgown and a trash bag near the body. And in the bedroom, they discover Weller's wife, Joan Burke,

with cuts on her hands and not saying a word. Gee, I wonder who did that. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Two months after Melvin Weller filed for divorce, Palm Springs police arrived at his home February 11th to find Weller lying in a pool of blood that covered more than half of the kitchen floor with multiple stab wounds and lacerations on his body. An autopsy revealing Weller had been stabbed 140 times all over his body, and he also had a skull fracture caused by a blow from a meat cleaver to the right rear of his head. Police say they found knives and a meat cleaver in the kitchen sink,

a bloody nightgown, and a trash bag near the body. And in the bedroom, they discover Weller's wife, Joan Burke, with cuts on her hands and not saying a word. Gee, I wonder who did that. A bloody nightgown that the victim's not wearing and the wife sitting there stone cold. Well, take a listen now to our friends at KHOU11. She buried her husband in their Northwest Terrace County backyard in a hole he had dug for a home improvement project. Days later, the family dog unearthed him. You stabbed him. I did. Susan Wright, 27, mother of two, and murder defendant. This time we're offering evidence that's exhibits 56 and 57

prosecutors said the unhappy wife had lured her husband jeffrey wright to his deathbed with the promise of romance jeffrey wright was ultimately stabbed 193 times and tortured with hot candle wax okay what about that are you starting to see a pattern here, Joe Scott Morgan? Both of these victims were stabbed over 100 times, and then it was capped off. One with a blow to the head, and now with a meat cleaver. I guess 140 stab wounds wasn't enough. You have to do that final touch.

Yeah, what you see, you you know you'd mentioned this earlier nancy uh what you see is just a real basic fact of physiology there's fatigue that sets in you can only do this so many times over and over and over again and the people will get tired and that's why you see in a lot of these cases you'll see what are referred to as partial dismemberments because after an individual say for instance stab someone this times, then they're faced with the prospect of having to dispose of a remain. And that is daunting in and of itself, particularly if you're not equipped with the right tools. And so they'll get halfway through the process and they'll just kind of throw their hands up in frustration, it would seem at least. And then the police walk in and they see an absolute horror show.

You know, it amazes me that you managed to kill someone, stab them a hundred plus times. Then you go, OK, I'm tired of dismembering. I'm just going to stop. But that we're seeing that they go through all of this and with a special mindset of a stabber that only a stabber has. And then they quit halfway or at least in the cases we're telling you about. Now, James Shelnut joining me, 27 years Metro Major case, former SWAT, now lawyer at theshelnutlawfirm.com. James, I want you to hear this because very often people go, why? Take a listen to Darcy Thomas, Fox 13.

Well, it started over the taste of coffee. But now one man is dead and his wife has been charged with his murder. Memphis police say Sheila Downey stabbed her husband to death yesterday at a home on Renwood Street. Now, before the victim died, police say he told them that the two got in an argument over the taste of his coffee. He says Downey got angry. She grabbed the knife and then stabbed him multiple times. Police say that Downey originally drove away from the scene, but was arrested when she returned. Okay, James Shulna, not as if the state ever has to prove motive, which they do not.

But practically speaking, jurors like to hear a motive. That was over him commenting that the coffee tastes bad. And he got stabbed multiple times to his death. Well, that was the straw that broke the camel's back. But you know, Nancy, when you go back and you look at these cases. Well, you're saying that him complaining about the coffee was the straw because I'm surprised my husband hasn't stabbed me 500 times over after all the you know whatting I do day in and day out about this that and the other thing that but let's just stop just a second so you're saying that him commenting over the bad taste of

the coffee that that was just it so he got stabbed in that is what you said that is what you said if you go back and you look at that and you look at most of these stabbings where a person is stabbed repeatedly especially by a domestic partner there has been a long-standing relationship that has brewed into hatred and when that person starts the stabbing process it's not just over that one thing that they began arguing it's over that entire history and they're out to destroy that person to obliterate them because this hatred and this anger has built up and it manifests into a gruesome crime scene let's see right you having been good jump in go ahead dr johnson okay okay well and right on i was going to say you know that that resentment Now, see, you having been goodped up frustration. So yeah, something so

stupidly simple as a taste of coffee was the last straw for this person's delusional mind. When you say delusion, you're suggesting they're insane? Because they're not. I'm not. I'm saying delusion doesn't have to be insane. We all have false beliefs we hold, even though they're not always right on. But in their head, they justify that if I can't have you, if you can't be satisfied, if you can't please me, that's in their head, they're justified in doing what they're doing. 100% sane, 100% thought through. But then you've got this rage just lavaing out like a volcano and that's what we see with these multiple stabbings you know shell nut it seemingly is

always right in his analysis and what he said was not what i expected at all remember he was a street cop for many many years i was expecting something else after answering multiple homicide calls. Now, you two gentlemen, Dr. Scott Johnson and James Sheldon, are saying that these mass stabbings are the result of years and years of pent-up frustration. Well, let me reintroduce you to the stabbing queen. Take a listen to this. What's going on? Um, a friend of ours is dead in his bedroom. We hadn't heard from him for a while. We think he's dead. His roommate just went in there and said there's lots of blood. I didn't go in, but I can give you the phone to someone who went in there. Yes, please, can you? Hello. Hi, so what's going on?

He's dead. He's in his bedroom in the shower. Okay. How did this happen? Do you have any idea? No, we have no idea. Everyone's been wondering about him for a few days. She said that there was blood.

So is it coming from his head? Did he cut his head? It's all over the place. Has he been threatened by anyone recently? Yes, he has. He has an ex-girlfriend that's been bothering him and following him and flashing tires and things like that. And do you know the ex-girlfriend's name? Her name is Jodi. Jodi Arias. Jodi Arias.

She stabbed Travis Alexander at least 30 times. Many of the stab wounds were overlapping each other, so we can't really tell how many times she stabbed him, but at least 30. Then, as in the other cases we have analyzed for you, she caps it off with a gunshot wound to the head. They hadn't been together for years and years and years. As Dr. Johnson and Shelnut are describing, she was PO'd, technical legal term, because she had been dating Travis Alexander. She wanted to marry him. She even converted to Mormonism for him,

and he broke up with her because she has snakes in her head, and she wanted him back desperately. So she travels literally across the desert, hiding her tracks, has a marathon day of sex, sex, sex, sex. When he still insists on taking another woman on a Cancun trip, she stabs him dead and leaves him to decompose in a damp shower. Take a listen to our friend Ryan Owens. The 30-year-old businessman and devout Mormon had been stabbed 27 times. His throat slid so deep he was almost decapitated, and he was shot in the head. This is over. This is absolutely over.

You need to tell me the truth. Listen, the truth is I did not hurt Travis. On the tape, Arias repeatedly denies she was at Alexander's house the day of the crime. Even after the ever-patient detective confronts her with racy pictures of her in his bed that day. That looks like me. And even after he tells Arias her palm print was found at the bloody crime scene. How can that be my palm print? I don't know if you heard

that. She said, how can that be my palm print? Because you killed him? And not only that, Ding Dong accidentally took a picture of her own leg and foot with a digital camera she was taking all those porn pictures of herself with at the crime scene and it ended up in Travis Alexander's washing dryer set.

Well, I wasn't going to play this for you, but Jackie, I can't resist it. Don't worry too much about Jodi Arias. Yes, she's behind bars now for multiple stabbings. Just Scott and I argue vehemently over whether it was 29 or 30 stabbings. It was not 27. But she went on to even greater fame. She won America's Got Talent behind bars with this. Listen.

Oh, holy night. The stars are brightly shining. It is the night Of our dear Savior's birth Long lay the world In sin and error pining Till He appeared And the soul felt its worth

Okay, next time, please play the part where she hits the high note. And she does, in fact, hit it. Okay, here she is singing O Holy Night after she stabs Alexander 30 times, severs his head from his neck, and shoots him in the head. We've got quite the list of stabbers, but Joe Scott Morgan, that was not part of a long simmering feud. She had only known him for about a year or so.

Yeah, yeah. And I think a lot of it has to do with the trigger mechanism in some of these people's minds. What are you saying, trigger mechanism? Don't talk that way. Talk like a regular person for Pete's sake. Something that absolutely pushes them over the edge. You make it kind of sound like it's the victim's fault.

No, I don't. I don't think it is at all. As a matter of fact, I think it's something wrong in the mechanisms of these people's brains where they see themselves as is owning these people and they're going to rip them to shreds if they can't you know how many times have we looked over those images of travis alexander and you see that he is absolutely shredded at that scene you know so much so that you know she she couldn't just stop with the stabbing she couldn't just stop

with the slashing. She actually put a round in his head, and that round was actually a post-mortem event. He was dead. There's no hemorrhage in that wound track. So, you know, for me, it's this kernel that was planted long, long before she ever met Travis Alexander. She's got a screw loose, and that's why she did this. Joe Scott, can I just get you to please stay in your lane? I know that a lot of people frown on that. But let me see, you are a professor of forensics, correct? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, you don't have your MD and your specialty in

psychology or psychiatry, do you? No, don't want it either. Yeah, me either. You know, I got enough problems. I don't need to try to figure them all out by being a psychiatrist. Hey, Dr. Johnson, we heard Joe Scott Morgan's technical medical analysis that Aries has a, quote, screw loose. I kind of agree with you, Joe Scott. That's the irony here. But she is not insane. Did you hear her sticking to her guns and lying to the bitter end that she did not do it? In fact, according to her, two guys dressed up all in black like ninjas broke into the home and inexplicably murdered Travis and let her live.

And ultimately, she went with self-defense right but what we've got here is over the course of her lifetime this has been developing and it doesn't have to be the same victim that they finally killed that's been brought you know brooding this this pool of resentment and frustration and And of course, like someone like our Jody there is very narcissistic and self centered. And, and, you know, if you harm me, I'm going to harm you. But how she defines it in her head, she's not mentally unstable. She's not mentally ill. I hate it when people say that. But she's simply twisted. And we've got personality disorders. That's not mental illness. That's just a crooked way of thinking and processing. I'm trying to digest everything you just said because it all

sounds pretty brilliant to me. Did you hear everything he said, Jack? Okay, James Shilna, 27 years Metro Major case. James, you know, first thing I do every morning is flip on and find online and find all crime going on around the world that's making headlines. And I always notice, because it's so early, about 5 a.m., that the crime I'm reading about to start with, it's in different countries, including Great Britain. And I remember saying to David one morning, I'm like, why is everybody getting stabbed in Great Britain? Well, it's because they don't have access to guns the way we do in the U.S. So their M.O. is very often by stabbing. That said, Shelnut, I see a distinct difference,

although I'm not a shrink like Dr. Johnson, I see a distinct difference in the mindset of a stabber versus a shooter. Do you? Can you verbalize it? Yeah, I can verbalize it. I think that it is. I like the way you said that. Remember, beep out all curse words, Jackie. Go ahead.

Here's what I believe. I believe that the offender, the criminal that commits this act, believes that they have been up close and personally offended, that they've been up close and personally hurt, that they've personally been attacked by the person that they're about to kill. And they use this up close and personal method to kill, to attempt to destroy that person. And I'm not certain that it's always planned out when you have someone stabbed that many times. I think it's a situation where we discussed earlier, it's been built up and all of a sudden they have something close to them, a knife in the kitchen or some other tool that they're able to stab

this person with, and that it's a convenience factor, that it is a spur of the moment factor. They didn't plan it. Oftentimes, you don't see a bag with gloves or gun or tape or rope. You just see them pick up a knife or pick up a blunt object sometimes even and just obliterate this person because they've snapped, and that's what's closest by. All of the examples that I agree, by the way, James Shelnut, all of the examples that we've been showing you regarding multiple stabbers, I'm not saying mass stabbers because that would suggest that you stabbed a lot of people.

I'm saying multiple stabbers where you stab one victim over and over and over as in this case with Tammy Bailey being stabbed 100 times plus. Now who would do this? In those cases, the victims all knew the stabbers. They knew them very well, intimately. Who would do this to Tammy Bailey? Well, here's a big clue. Take a listen to our friends ABC 3340. Upon arrival, Blount County deputies found Justin Fields outside. Mr. Fields just kept saying things like I've done something really bad, the evidence is in the house, and it made my deputy extremely nervous. They then moved into the home and found Bailey decapitated

with around 100 stab wounds. I guess it did make the deputy nervous. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Back to Kyra Purvis joining us. Special guest, investigative reporter with ABC 3340. Kyra, again, thanks for being with us. So describe the scene when the Blount County deputies got there. This guy, Justin Fields, was outside. And what was it

that he kept saying? He kept saying, I think I've done something bad. I've done something terrible. The evidence is inside. He even told deputies, you know, they said they were going to put him in handcuffs. And he said, go ahead. You're going to put me in handcuffs after you find what's inside anyway. You know, I'm always suspicious, Dr. Scott Johnson, when you come up on a scene and a civilian starts talking about evidence. Yes, I mean, certainly someone that has some education, you know, self education about crime scenes. Unfortunately, they watch the shows on TV, which oftentimes depict good police investigative procedure. And so this person had thoughts about this, was not, you know, I'm not saying it was premeditated that day, but it was certainly

a conscious choice with the same mind that he committed the crime. And he simply was smart enough to know, I'm not walking away from this. Another thing about it, James Shelnut, he refers to Tammy's partially dismembered body as evidence. Yeah, he refers to it as evidence because he knows what he's done. He knows that it's the fruit of the crime. He knows he's committed a criminal act. He knows what he's doing. He's looked back and figured out what he's done. He knows that it's the fruit of the crop. He knows he's committed a criminal act. He knows what he's doing. He's looked back and figured out what he's done. He knows he's got a problem. He knows that there's no way out of it. Yeah, big problem. A hundred plus problems. Dr. Johnson,

Sheldon's right, but I guess I'm trying to verbalize something entirely different. He's referring to this person, this young woman, Tammy Bailey, as evidence, not as a woman, not as a beautiful woman, not as my friend, not, no personification whatsoever. He refers to her dead, mutilated body as evidence. That's not bothering anybody but me. What is wrong? But he's detached emotionally from this. And to say that he had an intimate connection with her, he didn't.

They may have had sex. They may have dated. But emotionally, she was a thing, an object. And so after this crime, it's a heck of a lot easier to say, you know, I killed something than it is to say I killed the person that I really like or love. But really, it's a distancing type of language. So, you know, he's just not wanting to own up to the full of I killed someone that I was actually involved with or trusted me. Guys, remember the woman that stabbed her husband multiple times when he told her the coffee tasted bad? Of course, you remember Arius who stabbed Alexander because he would not

take her on a Cancun trip. I hope you're all sitting down. You may need to lay down for this one. Talk about motive. Take a listen to our friends at WBRC Fox 6. 38-year-old Justin Fields and 52-year-old Tammy Bailey live together here on Bailey Drive in Blount County. Sheriff Mark Moon tells me the couple just celebrated his birthday. But when they got home from a trip on October 21st, Fields tells police he went into her room and stabbed her. He wanted to have sex with her. So he went into her bedroom and propositioned her and she turned it down. And according to his statement, that frustrated him. And he said that he stabbed her one time and then he blacked out it's really convenient how people after they commit a murder or in the midst of a murder black out uh for those of you that can't see me i'm definitely using air quotas

so wait he wants to have sex she says no so he stabs her 100 plus times and chops her head off. What? Take a listen to our friends at WVTM 13. Fields told deputies that frustrated him. So he stabbed her once in the chest. He then claims to have blacked out. He woke up and thought he was having a bad dream and went in there and stabbed her some more. Kyra Purvis joining me from ABC 3340. Kyra, could you explain that?

So he says, I want sex. She says no. So he stabs her, goes into his room, blacks out, wakes up in his room, and goes back in and stabs her some more and dismembers her. Is that his story? Yes, and it's important to note that he said he blacked out and went to sleep.

This is the next day. This is now Saturday morning when he comes in and decides that he is going to stab her over 100 times. And while he was blacked out, he just happened to have the stabbing instrument in his hand. He just keeps a knife on him or a machete by the bed. I mean, that doesn't even make any sense. Kind of a perverse. Tell me exactly what this guy, Justin Fields, 38 years old, says happened. He says he went to sleep.

He blacked out. He didn't tell investigators where he got this knife from. Some type of eight inch, quote, survival knife. We don't know where he got this knife from, some type of eight inch, quote, survival knife. We don't know where he got that knife from. Walked back in from his room into her room and stabbed this woman multiple times. That's what he told investigators. Joe Scott Morgan, isn't that what the cough syrup killer said? He said he was having a bad dream. Yeah, yeah. And that's what a lot of these guys say uh you know you you mentioned this this idea of blacking out and let me kind of describe this to you when fields was allegedly using this

knife uh to stab this poor woman a hundred times imagine if you will just conjure up this image in your mind of an automatic sewing machine where the needle is going up and down up and down up and down you're telling me that he's blacked out while this knife is raised over and over and over again they're saying they've got a count of a hundred and this doesn't include the dismemberment and so you think about this knife going in and out in and out in and out like this over and over again this seems like you would have to have some kind of awareness of the fact that you're doing this you'd have to position your body this would be a very intimate event he would probably be directly on top of her because

you know what they said the sheriff actually stated that he felt like the first blow was this one in the midline of the chest to the heart then after that why does he keep on going why does he think that it's necessary to stab her an additional if we're doing the arithmetic correctly 99 times those are all post-mortem injuries at that and of course there's a dismemberment or the partial dismemberment and once again the cough syrup killer has a dream. OJ Simpson has a dream that he murdered Nicole Brown. Now this guy says he had a dream. And you know what? Stop with the dreams.

You did it. Take a listen to our friends at Fox 6. Moon says they believe she died after the Friday night attack. But that wasn't the last attack on bailey when he woke up on saturday went back in there they felt like he was having a bad dream and for some reason stabbed her multiple times again bailey's sister then comes over to check on her but fields won't let her inside telling her he's done something horrible that's when she calls police the offender tells him on the body cam that i've done something really bad the evidence is in

the house if you go in there you're gonna see done something really bad. The evidence is in the house. If you go in there, you're going to see it's really bad. They found Bailey's body in her room. Moon says she was dead on the scene and her body had also been dismembered. It was over 100 stab wounds, but there's no way to really be able to tell how many. And he says, I think I did something bad. Yeah, you did. You did something bad. All right. Kyra Purvis joining us from ABC. Where does the case stand right now, Kyra?

Well, Fields was in court on November 2nd, but we're still awaiting when he's going to have that next court date. He is in the Blount County Jail right now and being held without bond. So we're really just waiting on the courts to see what they're going to determine. Even though he did admit, there's still a lot of things that we have to go through, obviously, with the case and things like that. Did this POC actually say not guilty? I'm not sure. I don't think they can. They do have this recorded confession. There's evidence. It shouldn't. But we never know. You know what? That's the first time I've laughed all day. And he's likely going to plead. And I don't believe this, but you can bet if a defense is offered, it's going to be a mental insanity defense. That's what all these guys plead when this occurs. And that's going to be what he says.

Okay. Yeah. Did you hear what Kyra Purvis just said? She said he shouldn't. And she's right. Yeah, he shouldn't plead not guilty. But I guarantee you, Shilna is right. He will enter a plea.

I'm not guilty. Hoping for a sweetheart deal to anything less than the death penalty. And he just might get it. And I oppose that. Right. And I want to chime in here on the whole concept of blackout. Blackout is about not being able to recall. Blackout has nothing to do with at the moment what I'm doing. I don't

know what I'm doing. Second is we've got the research to prove, and I train police officers on, 99% of these offenders never had a damn blackout. We can get to what happened in the crime because there's a memory of it. When you look at these rageful incidents like this case, there's a memory of it. And for the offender, it was a good memory because they're venting. And so to say, I don't remember what I did. How the heck do you do any type of act and not know what you're doing when you do it with precision? You're hearing Dr. Scott Johnson speaking. And Dr. Johnson,

I bet he'll have plenty of time to remember what happened behind bars. Goodbye, friends. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.