Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Gorgeous co-ed raped, murdered, kidnapped from Target. 'Don't Be A Victim'

Episode Date: July 5, 2021

Teen Kelsey Smith was taken from the parking lot of a Target store and never seen alive again. The surveillance video showed Smith in the store; a man appeared in every aisle she did. Smith called her mother from the store, but hours later, her car was found abandoned outside of a Macy's store across the street.Smith's case is one of the many cases discussed in Nancy's book, 'Don't Be A Victim." Listen to tips on staying safe while shopping.Joining Nancy Grace today: Greg Smith - Kelsey's father Mark Tate- Attorney, Savannah Ga Sex abuse/Assault cases www.tatelawgroup.com  Dr. Debbie Joffe-Ellis - Psychologist, Adjunct Professor at Columbia University, www.debbiejoffeellis.com  Robbie Crispin - Private Investigator “Crispin Special Investigations” www.crispininvestigations.com  Dr. Tim Gallagher - Medical Examiner State of Florida Sierra Gillespie - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter Summary Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How many times do you wheel into the grocery store or the mall or Target and you hop out of your car and you race in barely looking behind you. Maybe you think to click the lock on the minivan. How many times do you do that a week, a month, a year? Guys, I'm about to tell you the stories, the true stories of some young ladies that did exactly what we do every day, but they never made it home. Does the name Kelsey Smith ring a bell? It's a name I'll never forget. Listen to this. Saturday, June 2nd, 2007, Kelsey left her house to go to Target. She was going to buy a gift for her boyfriend for their six-month anniversary.

She was talking to her mother on the phone at Target, found what she wanted, went to the checkout stand, and basically, I think, closed out a phone conversation with her mother saying, I'll see you in a little bit. Kelsey was supposed to meet her boyfriend John at the house at 7.30. She had spoken to her mom at Target at 7. 7.30 rolls around, Kelsey's not home. She wasn't answering text messages. She wasn't answering phone calls. That was a media cause for concern that something's up. The distance from Target to the Smiths' house, probably an eight-minute drive.

It didn't take them long to realize that something's not right. Her boyfriend waits around for about a half hour. He's calling her. He's texting her and she's not answering he starts to become really concerned and that's when he calls Kelsey's dad Greg with me an all-star panel to break it down and put it back together again and let me tell you we are not trying to make you afraid of going to Target or the grocery store or the mall, trying to arm you with information to protect you and your children. It took me two years to research and write, Don't Be a Victim, Fighting Back Against America's Crime Wave.

When I began writing the part of this book about protecting yourself while shopping, the first person that sprang to my mind was Kelsey Smith for so many different reasons. Joining me, Dr. Debbie Jaffe Ellis, psychologist, professor, Columbia. Jason Ocean, renowned attorney, joining me out of New York. Richard Truntz, private investigator with Crispin Special Investigations out of Lickerdale, former police officer. Dr. Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the entire state of Florida. And you can find him at pathcaremed.com for your forensic needs. Sierra Gillespie, crimeonline.com investigative reporter.

But first, I want to go to who I consider a friend, the father of Kelsey. Greg, thank you for being with us. Greg, I'm actually getting chill bumps on my arms and legs right now because I remember when we spoke and all you and your family went through when Kelsey went missing. What do you remember? You know, I have children now,

and your little girl is just five years older than my little Lucy. What do you remember of that night when Kelsey went missing? It was, it's tough to describe. I mean, I didn't want to believe that anything had happened to her, but it was so out of character for her to not come home when she said that she would be there. So the whole evening as it unrolled, she was going to shop, like you said, to get a gift for her boyfriend, and then they were going to go out. She was supposed to be back at the house to meet him, and she wasn't there on time,

and we couldn't get a hold of her by phone. Again, this is 2007, so cell phones are not quite as ubiquitous as they are now. But still, a lot of people had them. Texting was all the rage back then. Of course, that was back when you got charged for every text that you made. I can tell you about some cell phone bills. Not being able to get a hold of her was our first cue that something had gone wrong. And then secondly, my parents lived out.

I knew where she was at. I knew she'd gone to the Target. My parents lived out that way. They drove by the Target and didn't see her car. But they continued to drive around, and there's a mall right across the street from the Target, and they saw her car there. Oh, gosh.

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm just getting that feeling. She doesn't answer the phone. She always picks the phone up. You know she made it to Target because she was talking to her mom as she was getting the little present for the boyfriend. This is, as I've always said, a little girl scrubbed in sunshine. I mean, precious good grades, sweet, sweet girl shopping at Target. And that feeling when mom and dad keep calling, calling, calling, calling, and she's not home. She's eight minutes away for Pete's sake. The grandparents driving around and they don't see her car at Target, then find it at a mall,

a mall nearby. But there was no reason for her to be at the mall. Right, Greg? Not that we knew of. She was going to Target. She specifically had called her mother while she was at the Target because the item that she was looking for, my wife knew exactly where it was and they were having that conversation on the phone to where to go to pick because the item that she was looking for, my wife knew exactly where it was, and they were having that conversation on the phone as to where to go to pick up the gift that she wanted to give for John, which she did purchase. It was found in the car later. When you heard your daughter's car was spotted at a nearby mall where she wasn't supposed to be, and she's not in the car, and the target purchase is in the car. What went through your mind? Well, my first thought once I got a phone call,

the actual call I got was from one of my daughters, Lindsay, who was out with John. They were also driving around trying to find Kelsey's car to see if they could figure out what had happened. And then they ran into my parents. And then Lindsay called me and said, hey, Dad, Mimi and Pepe, my parents found the car. And Kelsey's not here. And John wants to open the doors and look around. And I said, no, don't let him get anywhere near the car.

I'm on my way. I've called the police. Why did you say don't touch the car? Well, I am a law enforcement officer, and my first thought was that something could be wrong, and I didn't want any chance of a crime scene that might have trace evidence being disturbed. How did you know that soon and that this could be a crime? Gut feeling?

Call it a parent's instinct or a gut feeling. She never, never, ever, ever was late. She was late one time in her life and got grounded and then never did it again. She would always text if she changed locations or call and let us know, hey, I was at so-and-so's house, now we're down here. And it was just something that I required as a police officer of all my kids. I have five. And they, hey, I don't care where you're going, but I need to know where you're at just in case something happens. And to you, Richard Truntz, former Fort Lauderdale cop, now private investigator with Crispin Special Investigations, he's so right because how much evidence can you lose or inadvertently destroy by touching the car? Well, touching the car, you're going to touch any DNA that's on the vehicle. You may mess with the fingerprints that are going to be on there.

You may remove hair. Any evidence that's in that car, anybody touches that, you have a very good chance that they're going to contaminate it. So holding that car was one of the best things, you know, the father could have ever done. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we were talking about information to arm you to protect yourself and your family. And with me, who I consider not just a colleague but a longtime friend, the dad of a beautiful young girl, Kelsey. This is Greg Smith. Well, with a law background, he immediately knew what to do. Although how you steeled yourself and told the boyfriend and the other daughter, don't touch the car, even at a time when you felt your daughter's missing, amazes me.

Guys, take a listen to our friends at Investigation Discovery. The surveillance video was very revealing. A white male was following Kelsey around the store, up and down several aisles, staying far enough back that she couldn't quite see that he was following her. It was almost like watching a lion circle a wildebeest. I mean, it's something you see in the wild. It was crazy. And then when she goes to the checkout, that's when he leaves the store. We found out later he had left the store before her so he could go to his pickup truck and get his gun.

This is not something that happens every day anywhere, but especially not in Overland Park. To have somebody go missing from a store like that, it's chilling. Anyone could have been the target that day. It just happened to be her. Back to Kelsey's dad joining us, Greg Smith. And he is one of the founders of the Kelsey Smith Foundation, which you can find online. I encourage you to do that. Greg, what did the video show there at Target? Well, the internal video inside the store, you can see Kelsey going to the various places that she needed to go to complete her shopping tasks.

And her abductor, eventually killer, is always present in the video somewhere. He's not right behind her. It's not very obvious. It's Bob Miller, who was one of the lead detectives, described it like some kind of predator circling a wildebeest, and that's exactly it. He was not very overt about what he did, but it was very obvious following his eyes. They were always following Kelsey throughout the store. And then, of course was very obvious following his eyes, they were always following Kelsey

throughout the store. And then, of course, when she left the store, the abduction was actually caught on tape. To Jason Oceans, New York defense attorney joining us, Jason Oceans, I have always said NASA could take some clues from Target. How many times has Target video been used at trial and in investigations? It's incredible. And Nancy, the advent of CCTV and, you know, certainly has aided law enforcement, families, relatives to help, you know, solve a crime situation. Thousands, thousands of crimes. And so often, you know, the thing about Target is, and Greg Smith, you know this better than

anybody, is it's incredible surveillance video. So I always question why people say, oh, my camera wasn't working. The surveillance wasn't working. We taped over it. It's too grainy because if Target can do it, anybody can do it, right? If they can pull it off the way Target does. And when you look at that video, Kelsey has no idea. This guy is in every picture. As you said, say she comes in, then she's at the checkout, then she's at this aisle, that aisle. He's always in the picture. I heard you say that, Greg. Yeah, it's very apparent when you watch the video, particularly with secondhand knowledge, 20-20 hindsight,

that he was in there following her around the store and did not have good intentions. And she never noticed him. And why should she? When you go shopping, are you constantly looking over your shoulder? Well, I can tell you this much. I have researched, investigated, prosecuted and covered so many cases that it really kicks in when you're going back to your car. The likelihood that you're going to be attacked in a department store, in a store, is very low.

It's when you walk through those doors. Who is this guy? Take a listen to our friends at Investigation Discovery. Releasing that surveillance footage that really helped this case because thousands of tips came pouring in. It led to the two tips that brought police to Edwin Hall. Edwin Hall was the suspect. He was 26 years old. Edwin Hall was sitting at work on a lunch break

and then the news comes on on the television and one of his co-workers says, isn't that your truck? He looks inside the lunchroom. His truck's literally parked just outside the window. So his co-worker's looking,

looking at the video on the news, looking outside and confirming with Edwin, is that your truck? And at that point, Edwin tells his boss, I'm sick, I'm going home. Oddly enough, Edwin Hall had a MySpace page that described his interests as eating small children and harming animals. He did have a violent history. He had a record. He had threatened his own sister with a knife when he was just 16 years old. Joining me is Kelsey's dad, Greg Smith. Police releasing that surveillance video footage of the man following Kelsey inside a Target with plenty of people around. No one noticed a thing.

His name, Edwin Hall. He's at work when a co-worker sees on the news that police are looking for his truck, and he immediately says he feels bad and leaves. Greg Smith, do you remember that being flashed all across the news in the search for your daughter? Oh, absolutely. It was one of the thousands and thousands of tips that came in.

Eventually, there were some people that identified him from the video. Particularly, there was a still shot that the law enforcement put out of him exiting the store that gave some detail. And there were several people that said, hey, I know who that guy is, as well as his truck was rather distinctive. It was an older model truck, not that many of them out on the road anymore. So it was fairly easy to identify. But it wasn't clear that he was the person that had done anything because the abduction video was not clear enough to identify who the abductor was. So he was always a person of interest until finally some of that evidence that we talked about at the very beginning that was found inside the car put him in the car. Let me ask you this about that surveillance video in the parking lot.

And I devote literally pages and pages, Greg, about safe in parking lots. But how do you think he managed to get it over on Kelsey? She walked out the door. She had a very short walk to her car. In your mind, in law enforcement, how did he do it? How did he take her by surprise? He's done it before. That's pretty obvious from watching the video.

We got information after the fact, again, that a lady had been attacked in a shopping district just over the state line in Missouri. We're only 12 miles from Missouri. Same type of thing happened where someone tried to grab her as she was getting in the car, although this person that attacked her didn't attack her. While the door was open, her door was still closed, and she was able to get away from him. Now, they didn't have any video there, and she did report it to police at the time, but there were no pictures of him or anything. But she was, my understanding is she actually called the police after Kelsey's killer's picture showed up on television and said, that's the guy. That's the guy that did this to me. It was very planned out. He parked a row behind her. Video shows him following her into the parking lot. His truck was behind her car. She pulls into a parking space.

His truck goes around behind the target building, makes a complete circle, comes back, spots her car, parks a row behind. Kelsey goes in. He goes in behind her, then he comes back out. He goes out the indoor, so it's obvious where he was, and to pick him up, and he goes out into the parking lot. And then the abduction, you actually see, it's just a blur at first, coming across the screen from the left-hand side to the right-hand side, which is the actual abduction that took place. So it was very practiced. It was very quick, 17 seconds from the time he appears in the video until her car backs out of the parking space. So he'd been there and done that before. This was not his first time. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Guys, we are talking about information in a book that took two years to research and put together for you. This is for you to arm yourself and the ones you love with information. In joining me is a longtime colleague and man I consider a friend, the father of Kelsey Smith, the founder of the Kelsey Smith Foundation, Greg Smith, along with an all-star panel, Jason Oceans, Dr. Debbie Jaffe Ellis, Richard Truntz with Crispin Special Investigations, Dr. Tim Gallagher, Sierra Gillespie. Guys, I want you to take a listen to our friends at Investigation Discovery.

We did a search for him in his house. He had a shrine for Celtic religion in his basement. There's talk that there was some kind of religious overtones to it, satanic overtones to it, because of the murderer's background. He wouldn't confirm it, but when we found Kelsey, the sticks and branches that were over her body were in a particular pattern. It may have looked somewhat like a pentagram. It gave the impression that it might have been a sacrifice for that religion. When police go to Edwin Hall's home to question him, he's packing bags with his wife and child. He says they're getting ready to go on vacation.

They bring him in for questioning, and his fingerprints are a match for those on Kelsey Smith's car. Edwin R. Hall, 26, of Olathe, has been arrested for aggravated kidnapping and murder in the first degree. With me is Kelsey's dad. But first, to Dr. Debbie Jaffe Ellis joining us from Columbia. Dr. Debbie, you hear that the perp, the rapist, the murderer has a wife and child. I know it's hard for a lot of people to understand. Why would someone that has the opportunity for regular relations with a wife seek out an innocent girl to rape? Well, even if he has some regular relations clearly his brain is not operating in a healthy way it's highly likely there's some

neurological disorder certainly psychosis and need to control dominate and act in such obsessive and evil ways and unfortunately from the way you describe Kelsey and Greg, my heartfelt condolences to you and your family. Kelsey, sunny, kind, angelic, that kind of disposition can give an impression of an easy victim and to go to one of the things you alluded to about your book, Nancy, the importance of being mindful to prevent such things that would include not sauntering, walking in a very bold, assertive, direct, purposeful way in a place like a parking lot or open space

because someone who looks like an easy catch for an evil-minded person, if they walk in a more assertive way, may, just may, the discovery of Kelsey's body. You sound like law enforcement. How do you, even at the time when you go, don't touch the car, how do you steel yourself and speak so clearly about what happened? Well, it's training, Nancy. I mean, I've been in law enforcement now for 23 years. And, I mean, not to say that this hasn't had a huge emotional impact on me. It has.

And, you know, I had my round with PTSD because of this and some other things that happened in law enforcement. And it was interesting in conversations that I had with my doctor that he would often tell me when we were discussing Kelsey, stop telling me this like you're a cop. I want to hear what her dad has to say. It's a coping mechanism i talked about it a lot while she was missing i could analyze the case as a cop and i could keep it together um but when i switched over to dad it was a it was a lot harder um so it was it was it was a way for me to function and think that I was doing something and feel that I was doing something to help find Kelsey.

If I could stay in that, in that law enforcement mode and stay in that mindset. I hear what you're saying. It's easier to just kind of cut that off and deal with it. I guess professionally is the only way I can say it, but when you say you had PTSD, how did Kelsey's murder end up affecting you and your family? conscious decision that we made shortly after her body was recovered and we were starting the process of all the court hearings and everything that has entailed in a capital murder case. We sat down as a family, my wife, Missy, and I with our kids and we said, okay, he gets no more. And just to be clear, he is Kelsey's killer. And also to be clear,

I never mentioned his name. My goal has always been to make sure that Kelsey's story is promoted and not his. So I don't ever mention his name. That's just, just something that I do, but he gets no more. He's,

he's taken Kelsey from us. He's not going to take our family's love for each other he's not going to take our lives away he's not going to take away the joy of later on we now have seven with an eighth grandchild on the way from my other children those types of things those are ours and he doesn't get that he gets no more and and so that was a conscious decision that the family made that we actually sat down as a family and discussed it the second conscious decision we made was that this is about Kelsey and the Kelly's this should be Kelsey story and and not his story and so we always go out with that

in mind Kelsey Smith Foundation that's one of the reasons it's out there is to commemorate Kelsey's life and talk about the type of person she was. But then we also have our safety component. I speak all over the United States on safety techniques, safety awareness, being aware of your environment, those types of things, as well as I also go all over the United States and brief law enforcement. I do an actual case study on Kelsey's case. Wow. And we work with states that have not yet passed the Kelsey Smith Act, which is legislation

that helps law enforcement find missing people through cell phones and talk to each organization that I can in those states. And now 27 states out of 50 have a Kelsey Smith ring. To Dr. Tim Gallagher, the medical examiner for the state of Florida at PathCareMed.com, Dr. Gallagher, can you, for instance, in Kelsey's case, determine how long she's been dead? That's a good question, Nancy. Actually, there are excellent studies, especially some studies done by the University of Florida on the post-mortem interval. One especially that comes to mind was done by Dr. Lyra Sutton, she came up with a formula that if you plug in temperature and a body temperature,

ambient temperature, et cetera, you can come up with a very accurate post-mortem interval. You know, that's incredible to me, Dr. Gallagher. And I know you look at it as a forensic pathologist, as a medical examiner, but I'm looking at it from a crime point of view. And to you, Richard Trunt's PI with CrispinSpecialInvestigations.com, it's amazing to me and scary to me that all of this happened in such a short period of time. Kelsey was taken from the Target shopping mall. She came out with the bag on her way to her car. Her car was not that far from the door. And within a couple of hours, it was all over. And this young girl had been attacked and murdered Just like that. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Guys, we're talking about the disappearance of Kelsey Smith and the death of Kelsey Smith. A gorgeous young girl, her father joining us. To you, Richard Trotz, statistically, isn't that typical that the kidnapping and the murder occur much more quickly than people realize? I think it is. It does occur very quickly. Most cases, you know, they tell you if it's not solved in 48 hours, then, you know, try and get these cases solved. As time progresses, it comes a little bit harder. But a lot of these cases do happen very quickly. And, you know, thankfully, there are good law enforcement officers out there that preserve. I mean, Trunks, let me just cut the chase what i'm saying is that

minutes count when you're starting to get to 36 48 72 hours the likelihood that the victim is dead just rises you know exponentially so when you're getting on to 12, 24 hours, the likelihood the victim is alive is very low. Yes, that's true. You know, having the law enforcement officers get to the person that got the phone call, getting the law enforcement out there to start doing, starting to talk to people, you know, that's extremely important because they're multitasking. The officers are talking to other people. And in this incident, you have video from the mall.

So right away, you have officers going over trying to secure video at the mall, in the parking lot. So that's something that happens really quick. But, you know, you have to get out. You've got to talk and interrogate the parents, where the car originated from, try to find out what happened right away. And as quickly as possible. Guys, take a listen to our friends at Investigation Discovery. They had a pretty solid case. They had him on the surveillance cameras.

They had his fingerprints. I think the community was very ecstatic that they could wrap this up quickly. Part of his plea agreement to avoid the death penalty was to give a full confession. Edwin told me that Kelsey was just a crime of opportunity. He'd been trolling Oak Park Mall all day. Was approaching ladies, asking them odd questions. He was looking for particular behaviors, and that's how he found her. Kelsey, unfortunately, was totally oblivious to what was going on around her,

focused on shopping, talking to her mom. She just wasn't paying attention to what was going on around her. Kelsey was just his opportunity. She was at the target. He thought she had nice legs and told Detective Miller that he thought she was 12 and that the evil just overtook him. Greg Smith, you're Kelsey's dad. He thought she was 12. A, that's a lie because he'd been following her driving around, and B, is that supposed to make it better that he thought she was 12? That would be a child attack and murder. Do you believe anything he said in his confession? No, it is rather incredulous that he would think

that she was 12 years old when he followed her car into the parking lot. And we often talk about that and how strange that is, that description that you heard. That was actually my wife, Missy, talking about that. But you know what? You're right, Greg. Let's don't talk about him. To hell with him. Let's just get rid of him right now. Let's talk about Kelsey and what, if anything, we can do to help other people.

That's what this book, Don't Be a Victim, Fighting Back Against America's Crime Wave, is all about. I start this chapter off with describing scenarios, real scenarios that I investigated, prosecuted, or covered. And in them is a story of Kelsey. I follow it up with pages and pages of tips for you to stay protected. For instance, mega parking lots and garages are a predator's playground. Pick a central spot, well lit, because somehow you lose track of time inside and it gets dark. The same goes for when you park on the street. Park where there are passerbys or hopefully even an attendant. Always note where you park. I now take a picture of it, especially at an airport or a big

parking deck. Look at it before you leave the store so you don't get out in parking deck number three or the green level and find out your car's not there at all. Isn't it true, Greg, that now so many cars have a fob with an emergency sound or a car horn on it? If you can't find it, tap it.

Your car should make a sound to help you find it more quickly. Have your keys ready. Once you're in the car, shut the door, lock it immediately, and don't be fumbling with your bags or your cell phone as you walk. Look in the back seat just before you get in the car because once you get in, if there's somebody back there, and I've worked with a lady that this happened to her and her children. If somebody's in the back seat and you're in the driver's seat, it's too late. It's over. Don't linger to look in. As you open the door and get in, then look in. But I've got the consummate professional with me who has devoted his life to helping other people after what happened to his daughter, Kelsey.

I've got pages and pages and pages of tips, Greg Smith, but I want to hear your tips. It sounds like you've been attending some of our training, Nancy, from your book. All of that is fantastic. I would say the two big takeaways that people should have for personal safety is one, it's just being aware of their environment, what's going on around them. We get so caught up in what's going on on Facebook or Twitter. As you're walking out in the parking lot and you've got your head buried in that cell phone, you've got no idea what's going on around you.

So that would be my first one. The second one is always let somebody know where you're going. And, I mean, if you're running to the store, you know, if I'm going to the store, I let Missy know, I say, Hey, I'm running to, you know, the price chopper or whatever. If I stop somewhere else, I'll text her and let her know that that, or vice versa. She does that for me. If at the very least, as in Kelsey's case, that's a starting point for an investigation.

If somebody all of a sudden goes missing. And make no mistake about it, with Kelsey's case, that's what it was. She just didn't come home on time. There wasn't video immediately available to figure out what happened. And even after the video was obtained, it wasn't obvious what had happened. There had to be some work done on the video to figure it out. And so, I mean, all of a sudden she just didn't come home. There wasn't any indication necessarily that a crime had been committed.

So it was the fact that we knew where she was, the fact that she had these habits of letting us know when she changed location and the fact that it allowed us in a very short amount of time to say something's wrong. Something has happened. This is not normal behavior. Greg, let me tell you a couple more of my tips. Always position your body to use your shopping cart as a shield or even a weapon. Laugh now, but thank me later. Use everything at your disposal,

your pocketbook, your cell phone, the parking, the shopping cart. Keep it between you and everybody else. I know it sounds crazy, but it could save your life. Buy a mirror at a car wash or an AutoZone type store so that you can see all the way behind you, even if you have a minivan, that you can see what's happening around your car. These are simple tips that anybody can follow. There are pages and pages of them in the new book, Don't Be a Victim. And before I sign off to Greg Smith, Kelsey's dad,

tell us about your foundation, Greg. Well, the Kelsey Smith Foundation was founded exactly one month of the day after Kelsey's death. And the purpose is to provide resources and education to public organizations schools lawmakers whoever about personal safety and we have several different seminars that we offer at the foundation for that and we also provide information about the Kelsey Smith Act, which was a law that was inspired by Kelsey, started in Kansas, which allows law enforcement to gain quick access to location information only of a cell phone if the person has been

determined to be missing or in danger of physical harm of death by law enforcement. The key to that is that the night that Kelsey went missing, we were on the phone constantly with her cell phone provider trying to find out if they could tell us where her phone was at, and they kept saying that they could not let us know because she was 18 years old, despite the fact that the phone was actually in Missy's name, my wife's name. They still would not give us that information. Legal procedures were initiated to get that information, but it took three days to get it. And by the time law enforcement got that information, it was late at night. They

couldn't go out to the area. And so they had to wait till the next morning. They went out to the tower that last made contact with Kelsey's phone and found her body within 45 minutes. You know, Greg, and that is why you've got to have Find My iPhone activated, your tracking device on your phone activated. We have Life 360. There's a million ways to stay safe, and please act on them. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off.

Goodbye, friend.