Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Gorgeous mom slaughtered for baby
Episode Date: October 13, 2020Reagan Hancock was thrilled to be pregnant with her second child. The 22-year-old happily posted online about the upcoming birth of another daughter. Family members, however, find Hancock in a pool of... blood, her baby cut from her womb, allegedly by a friend.Joining Nancy Grace today: Kathleen Murphy - North Carolina, Family Attorney, www.ncdomesticlaw.com Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills, www.drbethanymarshall.com Karen Smith - Los Angeles Forensics Expert, Lecturer at the University of Florida, Host of "Shattered Souls" podcast. Dr Kendall Crowns - Deputy Medical Examiner Travis County, Texas (Austin) Anne Emerson - Reporter, WCIV ABC 4 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
22-year-old young mom, she has one child, a baby girl.
She's about to have another baby already named Braxlin Sage.
And what we are learning is one of the most shocking cases I have ever seen.
Take a listen to this.
22-year-old mom Reagan Hancock and her husband Homer are expecting the birth of their second child in November.
Reagan and Homer have a three-year-old daughter, Kinley Grace.
Reagan is very public about her life in general, posting on social media about her husband, her daughter, and of course, the upcoming addition to their family.
She posts photos of her ultrasound on Facebook, then posts another update saying,
Some of you know, some of you don't, but we are
having another sweet baby girl. We cannot wait for our Braxlin Sage to be here. Daddy is definitely
outnumbered. You are hearing Dave Mack from CrimeOnline.com. I'm listening to what she's
posting on Facebook. Guys, let me introduce to you an all-star panel with me to break it down
and put it back together again.
First of all, North Carolina family law attorney.
And I always marvel at the name family law.
That makes it sound so cozy and sweet and kind.
It's anything but.
You've got to be a tiger to get in the ring between two people in the middle of a divorce.
That's what family law is.
Kathleen Murphy joining me, North Carolina, at ncdomesticlaw.com.
Therapist to the star, Dr. Bethany Marshall.
Psycho analyst joining me, Karen Smith, L.A., California. Forensics expert, lecturer, University of Florida,
and the host of Shattered Souls podcast, Dr. Kendall Crowns,
a deputy medical examiner, Travis County.
That's Austin, Texas.
And a special guest joining me from WCIV ABC4, Ann Emerson.
You know, first to you, Dr. Bethany, you remember when I was pregnant with the twins,
and I would save every ultrasound.
I've got them right now. Some are in a photo album
and some are still in my Bible where I would put them and pray about the twins because it was very
touch and go whether the three of us would live or not. And I'm just thinking about this mom-to-be, Reagan Hancock, posting her, actually he's choking me up a little bit, posting her ultrasounds.
Just so proud and happy.
And she had already picked out a name for the baby.
And it's a beautiful name, Braxlyn Sage.
Braxlyn Sage. Braxlyn Sage.
They have one three-year-old daughter, Kinley Grace, and the next was Braxlyn Sage.
Now, you know, Bethany, they put a lot of time and thought into this because I can tell by the spelling.
It's Kinley, K-Y-N-L-E-E, Grace. Kinley Grace is their three-year-old girl.
The baby to be, Braxlyn Sage, B-R-A-X-L-Y-N.
And it sounds like they put together family names and came up with Braxlyn Sage.
Nancy, you and I have covered so many stories about women who do not bond with their babies,
who throw their babies in the trash, flush them down the toilet,
for whom the baby is an it, not a person.
Not this family.
This is not that kind of a crime story.
This is a woman for whom the baby is a person from the moment of inception.
She is pregnant and bonded with this baby. This baby is
already a part of the family. She has a three-year-old. Can you imagine her letting the
three-year-old pass the tummy and hug her and say, your baby little sister is in here? This baby is
loved, wanted, and being welcomed into the world from the moment she knew she was pregnant. You
know, it's hardwired into all of us to want to survive. And bonding with our babies is a part
of that hardwiring. Sometimes it goes awry with some of the crimes you cover. Oh no, not this
family. And this is an intact family, parents who are married, extended family, sonograms, pictures.
The word wanted keeps coming to mind.
In a world of so much misery in 2020, this is a wanted baby, a mother who wants to bring the baby into the world.
You know, Kathleen Murphy, family lawyer joining me out of North Carolina.
I was just right before I got in the chair, I was just talking about how my twins are about to turn
13. I can't believe it. And I'm already be moaning, not in front of them, that I've only got
about six more years with them before, God willing,
they make it through high school and they get to go to college. And I was moaning and complaining that I don't want them to go. I mean, I do. Part of me, of course, wants them to go to college and
be free and successful and all that. But the thought of them not being in my life. I mean, my point is your love for your child is unlike anything
I've ever known. And it starts with the baby in your stomach. It really did for me anyway.
I have four, Nancy, and I only have one left at home. And one of my daughters has a one-year-old
already. And I just feel so bad for this family. And you know, Bethany said
something about the family's an intact family. And I deal with a lot of families that are involved
in drugs and alcohol and separation and divorce. To see that this child was with their mother and
father and an intact family and have such a close relationship with extended families. I'm heartbroken and
I can't imagine this poor little child growing up without her mama.
I just am sick about the whole thing, guys. I want you to take a listen
to our friend Dave Mack at CrimeOnline.com.
Friday morning around 10 a.m., a Texas trooper pulls over a speeding driver.
As he approaches the car, he asks the driver why she's in such a rush.
The woman, 27-year-old Taylor Parker of Sims, Texas, says she has just given birth and her newborn baby, which is in the car, is not breathing.
The trooper immediately goes into life-saving mode as he performs CPR on the baby and calls for an ambulance.
EMTs arrive and the baby is rushed to the nearest hospital, McCurtain Memorial Hospital in Oklahoma. The trooper, EMTs, and doctors all do their best, but the little baby
dies in the emergency room. Meanwhile, a doctor checks out Taylor Parker and quickly knows the
27-year-old is in serious trouble. She's in serious trouble, all right. Again, guys, this is Crime
Stories, and I want to thank you for being with us. You know, there were times when I first started prosecuting felonies in inner city Atlanta.
At the beginning, I would try to sugarcoat facts, airbrush them, because I thought it was just too much for a jury to take in.
I learned very quickly, and I learned it the hard way, too. I had an aggravated assault armed robbery
of a stripper. The stripper was the victim. And I thought, wow, you know, I don't care, but
I've got this deeply religious lady on my jury. And I'm just afraid she may hold it against the stripper that she's a stripper.
So instead of asking the stripper on the stand, you know, what do you do for a living?
I just said, well, what do you like to do in your spare time?
And where do you go to church?
And it didn't take 10 minutes for that jury to figure out she was a stripper.
I learned the hard way because I almost lost credibility with the jury. I didn't. Got a conviction. But long story short,
these facts sometimes are very, very difficult to take in and for me to even talk to you about.
But they are the truth. And I learned that day in front of that jury,
you cannot hide from the truth. And what happened to Reagan Hancock
is not what you'd want for anyone, much less a mother to be. crime stories with nancy grace
guys we're talking about just a gorgeous 22 year old young mom she has one child
a baby girl she's about to have another baby already named Braxland Sage. And the family looks at all the normal
places. Did she go to the grocery store? Did she go down the street? Did she go to her mom's house?
Did she go here? Did she go there? Because as much freedom as we have, haven't you noticed,
Karen Smith joining me, forensics expert and host of Shattered Souls
podcast, that even though we're free to go wherever you want in this great country of ours,
we still operate in a little, I mean, I hate to even get on the interstate, much less when I'm
with the twins. We operate in an area with which we're familiar. That's just human nature. Yes,
Karen, I love taking the twins on camping trips all over the country.
I love hitting the trail and hiking and going out in the RV and camping under the stars.
I love it.
But in my regular life, I go work, school, home, work, school, home, church, work, school, home, work, school, home.
I mean, we have a
territory, I guess you'd refer to it as, and she was in none of those places, Karen Smith.
That's right. We have our bubble. Everybody does. And when we were in police training,
don't stop at the same coffee stop. Don't park your car in the same place. You have to change
up that routine, and it's a safety issue. Well, as human beings, we don't do that, and it's really hard to get out of those patterns.
And then, listen to this.
After leaving the hospital, troopers hear reports that a pregnant woman was murdered
and her baby taken from her womb not far from where the speeding driver had been stopped earlier.
Police return to the hospital, where the doctor tells them the woman did not give birth. Officers arrest Taylor Parker, who immediately confessed to the murder of Reagan
Hancock and the kidnapping of Braxlyn Sage. Asked why, she reportedly tells officers that she told
her boyfriend several months ago that she was pregnant, and they even had a gender reveal party.
Parker has two children, ages 6 and 10, and told officers she didn't know Hancock that well and only knew her by her first name.
You know what? I'm almost speechless.
Straight out to our special guest, Ann Emerson, joining me, WCIV ABC4.
Ann, I hardly know where to start.
Let me marshal my thoughts.
I understand that Reagan's mother walked into the home, and what happened?
She saw this grisly murder of her daughter. She finds her daughter's body, and because there is so much, obviously it is such a grisly scene because she sees that she is bleeding profusely.
And at that point, of course, the baby has already been cut out of her.
The suspect had forcibly cut the fetus from her womb.
But we also have reports that her daughter had been beaten and
stabbed to death as well. So it was a grisly, horrific scene that she must have come up on.
From what we understand, there were two more members of the family who came in right afterwards. And that's when the call was made to police. Of course, the 911 call
to police to come quickly. Now, that's when this started a whole series of events, of course,
because in real time, we have another woman being stopped, as we just heard. Yeah, you know what?
You know what?
Ann Emerson, join me, WCIV ABC4.
When it was first reported by Dave Mack at Crime Online,
he said a doctor checked out Taylor Morton
and quickly knows the 27-year-old is in serious trouble.
Many people would have believed that means medical trouble, right?
Because she's got the baby girl, the infant, newborn, in the backseat, Many people would have believed that means medical trouble, right?
Because she's got the baby girl, the infant newborn in the backseat, not breathing, covered in blood.
They rush the baby.
They try to do CPR on the baby.
They rush to the hospital.
They take her to the hospital.
And the doctors say she, Taylor Parker, 27 years old, is in serious trouble.
At first you think from giving birth, she's going to die too.
But that's not what they meant, Ann Emerson, is it?
Absolutely not.
I mean, they're starting to realize that she never gave birth,
that when she's checked out, she's showing no signs of giving birth. So why does she have a baby who is not breathing in the back of
her car? So as soon as they get there, they realize as real time starts playing out, they've
got two events that are happening very close to each other. She is over that Oklahoma line from
what we understand from police, but that is not far from what just happened, this very, very grisly murder with Reagan Hancock
and the discovery that's just been made.
By 1 p.m., of course, the suspect is already in custody with police.
It's just too much to take in.
The mom walks in, and she sees her 22-year-old daughter's home covered in blood,
and there is Reagan, who is over seven months
pregnant, dead. To Dr. Kendall Crowns, deputy medical examiner, Travis County, that is Austin,
Texas, a renowned medical examiner, I might add. Dr. Crowns, when I was giving birth, it became an emergency. The twins were extremely premature.
And I remember Dr. Crowns, I don't think I've ever told you this. I was in such bad shape.
David, my husband, dropped me at the front door of the hospital. You couldn't park there,
of course. So he left to go park the car. I walked in Dr. Crowns. I went about three or four steps. I couldn't walk anymore.
I laid down under a bench in the reception area of the hospital, like the lobby where
everybody comes in and out and laid under the bench.
I can hardly, I remember it, but I can't quite remember it.
You know, I must've been out of my mind to lay on that floor under
a bench. I mean, can you even imagine Jackie, me walking into a hospital and going in? I could not
stand up anymore. I could not even make it to the desk. And I'm just thinking about this young mom
over seven months pregnant and someone taking advantage of her this way. She couldn't even fight back. I'm working
up to a point, Dr. Crowns. It was such an emergency that we had
to have a C-section right then. Right then.
And I remember I couldn't see everything
that was happening, but there was a lot of blood. I remember that.
Dr. Kendall Crowns, describe what that scene would have been like and why.
Okay.
So usually pregnant women have a higher circulating amount of blood than your average person.
Your average person has around two to three liters of blood, so to say.
So several pop bottles of blood circulating in their system at any given time.
When you say several, what do you mean by that?
Like two to three liters.
So if you get a liter soda bottle at the grocery store.
Oh, where I come from, we call that a super bottle.
Oh, a super bottle.
Yeah, it's a super bottle.
Well, every region is different.
I call it a liter pop bottle, but everybody's different.
The thing is, is you have a high amount of circulating blood.
So they are cutting into the individual to take out the baby.
Just the mere stabbing into the abdomen is going to start causing massive amounts of hemorrhage. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Guys, we're talking about the death of a gorgeous young mom, 22 years old.
She's got one baby girl, a tot, and she is seven months pregnant with her next baby, Braxlyn Sage.
Back to Dr. Kendall Crown's deputy medical examiner,
Travis County, that's Austin, Texas.
You were saying the uterus is highly vascular.
Now, break it down.
I'm just a JD.
I'm not an MD like you,
but I think that means has a lot of blood vessels.
Yeah, that's correct.
It has a large amount of blood vessels
that go to the uterus.
And especially when a woman is pregnant, there's a lot of that go to the uterus and especially when a woman is pregnant
there's a lot of blood going to the to the uterus to supply the baby with nutrients and oxygen
so when you get into the uterus it begins bleeding profusely and then as they're trying to rip the
baby out of the mother they're also going to be tearing the placenta as well, which is another very vascular, highly blood vessel organ.
Now the placenta is like a balloon, like a blanket balloon,
a balloon made of a, I don't know how to say it.
Would you say the placenta is, I always think of it as like a soft cushion around the baby, but it's made up of blood and tissue.
Is that right?
That's a good way of describing it.
And it protects the baby and feeds the baby, right?
I mean, you can explain it much better than me.
They did not teach us in criminal law.
So go ahead.
Correct.
It protects from mild blunt trauma and not from stabbing trauma.
And then it provides blood, oxygen and nutrients to the baby until the baby is born.
So if they're ripping that open, they're also tearing the placenta.
So that's all going to cause a great amount of hemorrhage that's going to come out of the mother and spill out onto the floor.
It would be like opening up one of your super bottles and just pouring it all over the house and then opening another one and pouring it all over the house.
So it's incredibly bloody and incredibly messy.
These people that rip babies out of people's stomachs like this create incredibly bloody scenes and they're horrifying.
It's like walking into a bomb that went off that was full of blood.
You know, Dr. Kendall Crown, that's my fault. I asked you and you told me.
Never ask me.
Yeah. No, I do because you'll tell me the exact truth. I'm looking at her right now. She's just
so happy and she's so excited about the baby, that she's pregnant and in the picture she looks
like she's looking up thinking about the baby and she's you know superimposed hearts all around it
and I'm just thinking about the the horrible gory crime scene that Dr. Kendall Crowns just
described and you know what I was disappointed, that the mom couldn't join us today.
Reagan Hancock's mother was joining us.
And then right before we went to air, she was so overcome with grief,
she just couldn't keep talking.
And in a way, Dr. Kendall Crowns, in a way, I'm glad.
Because for her to hear what you just said would be just devastating.
Of course, she saw it.
She's the one that walked in.
Isn't that right? Ann Emerson, WCIV, didn't her mother get to the home first?
Yes.
And she actually posted about it on GoFundMe online fundraiser.
That's how we learned.
And that's how it was reported.
She said that she walked in on the scene and then was closely followed by two more family friends.
Thank goodness she was not alone for very long.
What did she say?
Is that Kathleen?
Go ahead, Kathleen.
It's Bethany.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm just thinking about the fact that two mothers lost their babies.
I mean, it's like those Russian dolls, a doll and a doll and a doll.
It's like loss compounded by loss.
And can you imagine this Taylor Parker who rips a baby from Reagan Hancock?
She thinks she's going to be a mother,
but she plunges a knife into another woman's belly, not even knowing if she's going to hit
the fetus or hit the baby, thinking that she's going to care for that baby. And we talk about
the maternal instinct gone awry. This Taylor Parker would in no so psychotic it's so in the moment without regard
for life in general it's the opposite of what it means to be a mother it's like the anti-mother
you know dr bethany uh you're so right and now the perp of the alleged perp taylor parker
already had children i want to follow up on something Dr. Kendall Crown said,
Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas, Austin.
When you are cutting into a stomach, of course,
I know that doctors don't cut up and down.
I think they used to maybe, but now they do a cut like,
I don't know, maybe three or four inches horizontally at way down on the stomach.
And what I'm trying to figure out is if you are not a medical doctor and you are cutting into someone's stomach, how do you not cut the baby?
It's really hard because the baby is literally less than a quarter inch or millimeters from the skin
surface. So when they're cutting into them, I mean, they're risking cutting the baby as well.
It's amazing that they don't end up cutting the baby. And often they do cut into the child as
well when they're trying to get the kid out. So they're not skilled surgeons when they're trying to get the kid out. So it's, you know, they're not skilled surgeons when they're doing it.
It's just brutal and it's messy.
And they often make the mistake and cut the child as well.
Nancy?
Jump in.
Go ahead.
Nancy, it's Ann Emerson.
You know, there was something else that we've been trying to sort of reconcile from the
reporting standpoint is that when Taylor Parker was found by the police,
she said she just knew her by her first name, that she thought they were the same age.
And then you have on the PayPal fund set up for Reagan, the mother says that Hancock and her
unborn baby were selfishly killed by someone Reagan considered a friend.
In fact, her mother called the murder a Satan in flesh, which really resonated with Dr. Bethany,
what she was saying about this anti-mother sort of persona.
And it's just interesting to me that there's still two stories out there right now that are being reported.
One from the mother who said actually she knew her very well.
And we're now, of course, going to find out as we investigate this.
I know the Texas Rangers are investigating this.
How well did she know her?
Or did she think she knew her because she was on social media? media. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How did this happen? Who is this perp, Taylor Parker,
a 27-year-old mother of two. What more do we know about her?
Let's hear our friend Kate Johnson, CBS 11 Dallas.
Police are investigating after a woman was found dead in her home after her unborn child was removed from her womb Friday morning.
Police in New Boston, which is about 24 miles west of Texarkana, say they responded around 10 20 in the morning.
The woman was found dead inside the home. The child also did not survive. Police say they
arrested a female suspect in Oklahoma. Right now, details are limited, but the New Boston Police
Department and Texas Rangers are investigating. And here is Doug Warner, KSLA 12. Police in
Idabel, Oklahoma, have arrested a woman accused in a vicious attack
on a pregnant woman in New Boston, Texas. Again, a warning. Some of the details of this case are
extremely disturbing. It happened at a home on Austin Street. Now, sources tell KSLA a woman
forcibly removed a fetus from another woman's womb. Those sources tell us the pregnant woman has died.
Police in Oklahoma say the woman who allegedly attacked her
showed up at a hospital in Idabel with the fetus.
That baby has also died.
That female suspect has been arrested, charged with murder of the unborn child and kidnapping.
More charges are likely.
Reagan Hancock, 22, was seven and a half months pregnant,
found by her mother in her new Boston home there in Texas. She already had a daughter, a tot.
But to you, Ann Emerson, WCIV ABC4, what can you tell me about the alleged killer,
who I assume is going to be charged with double murder. Taylor Parker, what do we know about her?
Well, it's what she says she knows about this other woman, Reagan Hancock.
We do know that she has reportedly confessed.
She had told her boyfriend that she was pregnant.
In fact, there are reports that she had had a gender reveal party for her,
that she was pregnant, and then the suspect had already had two children.
Wait, wait, wait, right there.
Karen Smith, forensics expert, lecturer, University of Florida, host of Shattered Souls podcast.
Wait till a jury hears that. As part of her grand charade, she had already had a gender reveal party, all the while knowing she's not pregnant i mean
did her plan to murder reagan hancock and take her baby go all the way back to the gender reveal
party i probably formulated there i mean now she's told a blatant lie this is premeditated nancy
you know she was stabbed where did the knife come from? This is not something that was
just at the spur of the moment. This was the planned murder for her to take this baby and
try to pass it off as her own. We've seen this before. And you know, what really disturbs me
about this whole thing is that it happened in this young woman's own home where she thought
she was safe. And apparently this Taylor Parker must have known
her better than just knowing her first name. They were the same age. I don't buy it. I don't buy it
at all. This was premeditated. This was planned. And she thought she was going to get away and she
didn't. Nancy, if I could jump in about this. Yes. This is the most common MO when a woman
attacks another pregnant woman and rips the baby from the
tummy, you almost always see that it began nine months earlier, 10, 11 months earlier
where the perpetrator has either had what we call pseudosiesis, which is a false pregnancy,
meaning that she wants to be pregnant so badly that her tummy actually begins to grow.
Yes, I've treated patients for whom that has
happened, or they have faked a pregnancy to get attention. You and I covered a story many years
ago, probably 10 or 15 years ago, of a woman who wanted a baby so badly she actually bought a
prosthesis so that she would look pregnant, And then she threw herself a baby shower and,
you know, had put out on Facebook and to the entire community that she was pregnant. But then
it gets to the point where the woman is supposed to deliver and there's no baby. And I'm never
quite sure if the plan is hatched from the moment the perpetrator pretends to be pregnant, or if they tell themselves that they're pregnant,
and then when there's no baby, they have to procure one to either hold on to the love of the boyfriend or the husband
or to save face in the community.
It's a very, very complex and multilayered, brutal attack on pregnant women. You know, we've even heard of some where they will
prey on pregnant women by pretending to be giving away baby clothes and cribs and strollers and
things like that just to lure in the pregnant woman in an unsuspecting kind of way. Dr. Bethany
Marshall, you read my mind. Take a listen to our cut number four, Natalie Martinez, NBC5 Chicago.
Prosecutors allege that the Figueroa's lured 19-year-old mom-to-be, Marlene Ochoa,
to their Ashburn home with the promise of baby clothes for her unborn son.
Having met before, Ochoa showed up on April 23rd, Desiree admittedly distracting Marlene
with a photo album of Clarissa's adult son who died naturally two
years ago. Defendant Clarissa wrapped a cable around her hands and then wrapped it around the
victim's neck from behind her. The victim attempted to stop defendant Clarissa and was able to place
her fingers between her neck and the cable. At that point, defendant Clarissa told defendant
Desiree, quote, you're not doing your f***ing job.
Prosecutors say Clarissa got on top of Marlin, continuing to strangle her for up to five minutes,
having researched how long it takes for someone to die that way.
They allegedly cut baby Giovanni from Marlin's body, stuffed her in a plastic bag in a hidden garbage can outside.
Clarissa claimed the baby, with its umbilical cord and placenta attached,
was hers.
Her boyfriend, accused of helping to hide the murder
and evidence at the home where tonight a memorial grows.
In that case, Marlon Ochoa was lured
by the promise of cheap or free,
gently used baby clothes.
And it was there she was murdered,
the baby taken from her stomach but
the one i think you're talking about to dr bethany marshall is another case listen to chris berg kvy
channel 11 tv fargo the thing is she was a homebody she was eight months pregnant. You know, she was uncomfortable at that.
Her feet were swollen.
That's...
She wouldn't leave anywhere alone. She wouldn't leave.
She always got mad at me for leaving by myself.
She would never go anywhere alone.
So was she at your house at 1.30 on Saturday,
and she just left to run an errand, or...?
Yeah, she lives with me.
She went to help a neighbor right upstairs.
That's the last we've heard from her.
Nobody's seen her or heard from her since.
I'm assuming you and your authorities have spoken to this neighbor
and what's the neighbor say?
That she left.
That is about Savannah Graywind.
Listen to Angelina McCall, WDAY-TV News Fargo.
God, we have a miracle and we have a disaster all in one. The search went full speed ahead.
Hunts spent hours scouring the region, going in groups to cover as much ground as possible.
Day eight, Sunday, a second crime scene was set up. What searchers had been looking
for was found. Kayakers in the river discovered what appeared to be a life or a body-sized object
wrapped in plastic in the river hung up on a log. Those who had stayed optimistic,
finally letting go of any hope of finding Savannah alive.
Savannah Graywind, as well as Marlon Ochoa, both victims of the same type of murder.
To you, Ann Emerson, what is the status of Taylor Parker, age 27, now?
From what we've been told, she had confessed to the crime and was being held, and Texas Rangers are still investigating
how this happened. It's amazing to me that this type of crime is increasing. Dr. Bethany Marshall,
I still don't get the motivation. I mean, if you don't succeed, do you just try again with
another pregnant lady? You know what, Nancy? These women are obsessed. I mean, I remember
a patient in my practice maybe about 20 years ago who was so obsessed with having a baby, that's all she could talk about.
She thought about it.
She dreamt about it.
Now, this woman, interestingly, had never had a love relationship, had never had sex.
She was very immature, but she was so preoccupied with having a baby that she recruited her own mother to come into the therapy
and to plead with the mother to help her find a man.
So we think of like Ochoa, who she and her mother conspired together to kill the perpetrator.
Often, and then the boyfriend comes in and conspires.
These women who are so desperate to have babies, they often recruit the entire
community. And as I was saying earlier, in reality, it has nothing to do with the unborn baby,
because as the medical examiner pointed out, when they slash the woman open, hip to hip bone,
they barely miss the baby. This is about procuring an object to control, not about a baby to love.
And procuring the love of the community in a sick, twisted way.
We wait as justice unfolds for the double killer, confessed, Taylor Parker, age 27.
Nancy Grace, signing off.
Goodbye, friend.
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