Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Gorgeous PHD student stalks new boyfriend, shoots him dead over breakup

Episode Date: November 30, 2020

A Chicago Ph.D. student is now facing murder charges after she shot and killed her ex-boyfriend. Nijinsky Dix had been dating Terry Hickman for three months. Police, responding to reports of gunfire, find Dix kneeling beside the bullet-riddled body of the 44-year-old. Joining Nancy Grace today, Jim Elliott - attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel for various Georgia municipalities and other governmental entities. www.butlersnow.com Dr Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills, follow on instagram at DrBethanyMarshall Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet" featured on "Poisonous Liaisons" on True Crime Network Levi Page - Investigative reporter Crime Online  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Talk about a bad date. That is certainly perfume on the pig. This is a euphemism. Think about it. A Chicago Ph.D. student allegedly stalks her boyfriend after a three-month relationship ends. A three-month relationship? What's that? That's 90 days. Stalks him with horrible, horrible consequences. How did this whole thing get started? Listen.

Nijinsky-Dix is a 37-year-old Ph.D. student at the University of Illinois, Chicago. She's been pursuing a doctorate in criminology, law and justice in Chicago, while also working as an employee at the University of Notre Dame in South Bend, Indiana, where she's the director of a talent search program called TRIO. In the midst of all this, she's also been dating a man named Terry Hickman. They didn't date for long, according to Terry's family. They dated for about three months. But the 44-year-old Hickman broke up with her in May.

Do you ever just have a sixth sense about somebody you're dating? You can't really put your finger on it, but, you know, you've got to break up? I mean, think about it. A woman up in her 30s, a Ph.D. student at University of Illinois, a doctorate in criminology, law and justice. Oh, it just keeps getting worse. Let me introduce to you our all-star panel. Jim Elliott, star attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel for multiple municipalities and government entities. He knows his way around a courtroom at butlersnow.com. Dr. Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the stars, joining us from Beverly Hills. You can find her on Insta at Dr. Bethany Marshall, professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University,

author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and star of a brand new hit series, Poisonous Liaisons on the True Crime Network, Joseph Scott Morgan. But first, to Levi Page, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. And earlier, we're hearing from Dave Mack at Crime Online. Levi, this woman, I mean, to look at her, I'm looking at her right now. She looks like she should be the, Jackie, doesn't she look like she should be a model and like a clothing magazine?

Look at her and that little outfit she's got going on right there. Perfectly matched, I might add. The hair is perfect. The face is perfect. magazine look at her and that little outfit she's got going on right there perfectly matched i might add the hair is perfect the face is perfect those teeth have definitely had orthodontia all right she is a total package a phd student beauty and brains but something is not wired right first of all tell me about the relationship so n, Nancy, you're absolutely correct. Now, Jensee Dix actually looks very studious. You know how you can look at someone and tell that they're really studious? No, I don't.

She looks like that. No, I don't. Well, she looks, you know, well put together, very studious. She looks like somebody at school that was straight A. So you would say then a bleached blonde and a pair of army fatigues would not look studious um maybe not let's just start over tell me about the relationship levi page go ahead so they had been dating and apparently the relationship turned bad three months into the relationship and okay stop right there. Dr. Bethany Marshall.

Levi Page, obviously, is not a relationship expert. Levi Page, no offense, dear. I'm sure you'll find the right partner one of these days. Dr. Bethany, three months? That is like a drop in the bucket. I'm embarrassed to say how long I dated David before we got married. We don't tell the children. We're so embarrassed. Three months.

Who could get crazy after 90 days? Okay. According to Helen Fisher, who's a cultural anthropologist, the first six months of a relationship, if you do brain scans of the people who are in the relationship, what you see is increased activity in the dopamine, increased dopamine in the brain. So it almost mimics being on cocaine. Dopamine is what exactly? It makes you feel warm and gooey and like the world is lovely and that person is so great. That's how I feel when I pick the twins up from school. I really do.

I get that when I pick the twins up from school. That's the feeling. Yeah. Like you're just in love with your children, the other person, the world. You don't really know the reality of who that other person is yet that you're dating. This is what, this is what is a part of our evolutionary process, wired us to hold us into relationships that there are so many feel good feelings in the first six months. So when it starts to go south within three months, that means that something is really wrong.

Well, I've got a question. Why does the dopamine have to wear off after six months? Well, it's replaced by something better, which is meaning, meaningfulness and knowing the reality of who the other person is. The first six months, you have no idea who the other person is that you're dating. You're just walking on a cloud. You think they're the center of the universe. You're having idealized thoughts of this great life together. But in about six months, you know, you begin to like maybe your guy goes to a football game with other guys and forgets to call you. And then you learn maybe he's a little absent minded or maybe he has a mother who doesn't like him. You deal with relationships all the time, Dr. Bethany. And you know, that's my second calling is analyzing people's relationships.

Do people, do women actually get mad when the person doesn't call while they're just, let's say at a game? Do they actually get upset when hours pass and they don't hear from their husband, boyfriend, whatever? Yes, because women often confuse separateness and autonomy with rejection and abandonment, which is what I believe might have happened with Dix. That the experience of separateness from the person she was dating got confused with rejection, and then the rejection turned into rage. What about the old phraseology, snakes in her head? Guys, take a listen to Dave Mack, Crime Online. Shortly before 5.30 p.m., police respond to reports of gunfire at an apartment complex in Washington, D.C. Police entered the apartment where they find a male individual who had been shot several times. They find Nijinsky Dix

kneeling beside the bullet-riddled body of Terry Hickman. He's pronounced dead at the scene. Police say Dix is holding a gun in her left hand, which they order her to put down, but she was also on speakerphone with someone who identified themselves to authorities as her mother. Her mother told officers that Dix told her, he pushed me and I shot him. Dix was then taken to the hospital where she complained of memory loss and back pain, but showed no signs of being assaulted. Now the truth emerges who this woman really is. Nijinsky Dix. In her 30s, Ph.D. student in criminology, law, and justice while working at University of Notre Dame. I mean, you think you know somebody? Well, now we're sure you cannot judge a book by its cover. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about a shocking case that has emerged

of a woman who was spurned. The old saying, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Well, her boyfriend, Terry Hickman, broke up with her and she just couldn't take it. I want to understand, Levi Page, how advanced their relationship was. They had only been dating for three months, but had they talked of marriage? Had they planned a life together? What do we know? Now listen, I know this isn't your usual crime reporting Levi page, but I need to know this. If I were presenting this to a jury, I would have to know every detail of their relationship. What can you tell me? So the victim, Terry Hickman, called off the relationship after they'd been dating for three months. Apparently he had found another woman that he was interested in, and that's why he called the relationship off. That's why they broke up.

Well, you know what? Jim Elliott, you're the civil attorney. Jim Elliott is a renowned attorney, guys, who has been representing multiple municipalities. That means cities, county governments, and can you imagine? That's like a bunch of wet cats in a barrel. He represents them and many other cases with Butler Snow at butlersnow.com. Jim Elliott, you have handled so many civil cases. Very often you hear of the man two-timing. All right. None of the women know about the other. None of the women know about each other. Here's a guy that starts seeing somebody new and he did the honorable thing and breaks it off with the Zschiski dicks and he gets gunned down dead for it.

I mean, how often, Jim Elliott, in divorce proceedings are people cheating and the man, typically the man, but yes, maybe the woman sometimes, is juggling multiple girlfriends, i.e. mistresses. Well, I mean, that's, you know, not uncommon at all, but I mean, that's after a marriage. That's after a relationship has been established and recognized legally. The whole purpose of a dating relationship is to determine if this is or isn't the right person. You know, did you ever just date for fun, Jim Elliot? Just go out bowling or go to dinner or see a movie? But was every date like an interview for marriage for you?

Absolutely not. I had a lot of fun in college and law school. I bet you did. I bet you did. I bet you did. So, I mean, I don't think every dating relationship is an audition for marriage. And that's actually, that's a whole. Go ahead. I just want to make you know, I mean, they didn't even live in the same city.

I mean, she was in Chicago or South Bend and he was in Washington. No, wait a minute. My husband and I were long distance for years and years and years and we managed to slog through. But you're right. Everything you're saying. See, there you go, Dr. Bethany Marshall. You're listening to Jim Elliott with Butler

Snow and getting a man's perspective. And while I don't agree with it emotionally, what he's saying makes a lot of sense. One, they didn't even live in the same city. Did she actually think they were about to walk down the aisle? The fact they'd only been together three months plus didn't live in the same city, as Jim points out, in my mind makes it even less serious a relationship

because they hardly ever saw each other. There's no like getting together spontaneously after work for dinner. None of that ever happened. So how does, jump in, Bethany. Well, first of all, in the mind of the stalker, one phone call can be blown up into an entire relationship. Let me tell you something. I don't understand how that works.

Okay, well, I'm going to say first of all, one of the things. Are you shaking your head yes, like you have a stalker that calls you? Go ahead. Okay, okay. According to my guru, Reed Malloy, who's the forensic psychiatrist, that the stalker imagines. Bethany, there's something I like about you. She never takes credit for other people's ideas. She's big enough of a star to let the other

star shine. You know, go ahead, dear. Well, I've memorized his work. He is such a scholar. And one of his lines is or one of his phrases is that with stalking, the stalker imagines that there is an entire relationship when there is no evidence to support that. In fact, when there's evidence to the contrary. And so they go after the victim for perceived rejection and they punish the victim for perceived rejection. So the stalker could just go on one date and spin an entire story in their mind that they're going to get married and that they're an item and that, you know, this person belongs to them and there's a commitment when there's absolutely nothing to support that. So in some ways, Dix, well, definitely Dix did not have what we call a preference for reality.

She was not living in reality. She was whatever was going on in her own mind. It's kind of hard to believe this beautiful yet studious looking woman, she's perfectly kept, could get all crazy, drive to her boyfriend's place, which Levi, you can tell me later how far away it was, and open fire. Because Joe Scott Morgan, did you hear what the cop said? She was taken to the hospital where she complains of sudden memory loss and she showed no sign whatsoever of being assaulted. What can you tell me about the injuries, Joe Scott Morgan? Well, first off with her, there is an absence of injuries. And, you know, one of the things that, there is an absence of injuries. And, you know, one of the things that you're going to think of with an event like this is that she would have been approached and assaulted by this man that she was confronting at his apartment, by the way. And she's there with a weapon.

That's kind of a problem, what you just said. Because typically, if she was firing in self-defense you would look at what leads up to that and if she drove across the country to get to him that would initially armed i might add yes uh she goes into the home or the apartment armed that would make her the aggressor, not him. Yeah, it would. When did this switch in her mind that she had to shoot him in self-defense? Go ahead, please.

Yeah. You know, my thought is, female or not, you know, at that point in time, if someone shows up at a home. Female or not, all the women in here are laughing. And I'm sure you know dr bethany has those perfectly arched eyebrows i'm sure one of them is like halfway to her hairline right now so oh well female or not what was the rest of that sentence i mean joe scott you got to get with the times friend yeah if you throw a gun up in my face even if she's a female she might be able to carry off a scheme. Okay, go ahead. Yeah, well, you know, she shows up,

she shows up at his residence after driving, you know, I can only assume that since she's working in Indiana, she's coming from South Bend. This is no easy drive, Nancy. It makes me think of the astronaut case, you know, where she's driving across country wearing a diaper and that sort of thing. That was an oldie but a goodie. Also part of a love triangle. The female astronaut, she attains this incredible success, goes crazy over her, was he a married boyfriend? Drives hours and hours and hours wearing an adult diaper so she wouldn't have to slow

down to take a poop and to shoot the love rival. Anyway, again, back to you, Joe Scott. Yeah. And again, a person of seemingly high intelligence here. We've got an individual that's a Ph.D. student. So my my thought is, you know, why are you going to drive all of this distance? And it is a great distance from South Bend to D.C., show up at this man's home, whom you haven't, you know, you don't have a relationship with at that moment in time, why in the hell are you showing up with a hand cannon?

And then you're prepared to do harm, which, of course, in the end, she actually did. She winds up shooting this guy multiple times. Do you have to curse to make your point? Well, this actually makes me want to curse, I've you have to curse to make your point i tell the children this actually makes me and i've been guilty in the past it's because they have a very bad vocabulary and they can't say anything else and the other day dr bethany you know how i feel about this a a publication put my name in the title with the lord's name in vain. Do you know how I nearly did a backflip? And we called and called and asked them to change the title

because it made it sound like a quote, but they wouldn't. Boy, when Jesus sees that, he's going to have a fit. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a Ph.D. student. Gorgeous, has everything going for her, drives, we think, through the night to gun down her boyfriend of three months. What were you saying, Dr. Bethany? Well, you were talking about the astronaut and putting on the diapers, driving across the country. I remember commenting on that story on Good Morning America. I talked to all my colleagues about why would somebody who's so intelligent, so trained, she went through NASA, she had all

this psych testing, and why would she want to kill her love rival? And this dick that we're talking about today, the beautiful kitten heels, the green skirt, the cloth hair, the perfect teeth, the PhD, why somebody who is at such a high academic level, why would they be so homicidal? And all of my colleagues said that when you're that smart, you're that trained, you have all those degrees, it provides a thin veneer of sophistication that can hide a very disturbed interior. So these people kind of get by in society because of their credentials and degrees. And it covers up how disturbed they are deep down. It's like putting the wallpaper over the cracked underneath, the cracked wall, and covering it up, and nobody knows. Take a listen

to Dave Mack, Crime Online. A doctor examined Nijinsky-Dix after the shooting of Terry Hickman and told detectives that Dix did not indicate she had been assaulted and didn't present with any physical signs of trauma. Police talked to multiple eyewitnesses, one of whom said they heard shots while outside the building, heard a woman scream, oh my God, and then saw a woman walking back and forth on the balcony. Other witnesses told police it wasn't off. After being released from the hospital, Dix was taken to a police station where she again complained of memory loss. During an interview with detectives, Dix asked police for some sort of information that may jog her memory about what had happened. According to the court filings, when shown a photograph of Hickman, Dix began crying and saying, get it away from me. Detectives

talked to an individual who said that the woman was stalking the decedent and that she was from out of state but somehow found out where he lived. Nijinsky-Dix has been arrested and charged with the murder of Terry Hickman. What about that turn of events? To Levi Page, she had never even been to his home before, yet she fantasized they had this relationship and he should die for breaking up with her? You're absolutely right, Nancy. And South Bend, Indiana to Washington, D.C., if she drove, that's 612 miles, about 10 hours of driving. And you know what this reminds me of? It reminds me of Jodi Arias. Remember, she lived in California and she traveled to Arizona to be with Travis Alexander. And when he started seeing other people, she lost it and stabbed him dozens of times. 29 times, to be exact, although there were so many stab wounds, they couldn't really determine because some stab wounds were on top of other stab wounds.

And then to top it all off, just to make sure he was dead, she capped him in the head and left him to decay in his shower stall. Then she literally drove across the desert with blood on her hands and again, literally jumped on her new boyfriend and straddled him with the blood on her hands from Travis Alexander. Guys, we're talking about a victim in the prime of his life as well, Terry Hickman, who dared to break up with a long-distance girlfriend of just three months. She finds out where he lives. She obviously didn't know. To me, there was a reason for her not knowing where he lived.

He had not told her that. And guns him down dead over dating somebody else. Not behind her back. He broke up with her. And that threw her into a rage. It's not the first time something like this, exactly like this, has happened. Take a listen to our friends at Inside Edition. I love him.

From her jail cell, Jacqueline Aides says she's still infatuated by a man she went on three dates with, whom she met online. I felt like I met my soulmate and everything was just the way it was. And I thought we would just do what everybody else did and we would just get married and everything would be fine. But then cops say Aides was caught trespassing at the guy's Arizona home several times after telling them he didn't want anything to do with her anymore. Turns out police say she sent him about 65,000 text messages as well. Writing disturbing things like, Oh, what would I do with your blood? I'd want to bathe in it.

And I'd wear your skull aids is charged with multiple crimes including threatening stalking and harassment i missed part of that what did she say about his skull uh levi i couldn't hear she said something about i would bathe in your blood and something about his skull she would wear wear his skull. And she compared herself to Hitler. She thought he was a genius as well. I don't know how you know all this, Levi. Just, you know, off the top of your head. It's disturbing on many levels.

Take a listen to our friends at KPHO-TV. Jacqueline Addis claims she went on three dates with a Paradise Valley man she met through an online dating service for millionaire matchmaking. Court records say Addis sent the victim 65,000 text messages including threats to kill him, wear his body parts and bathe in his blood. To me it seemed like more. Addis does not deny the volume of text messages but she would not get into specifics. She did, however, regret the nature of some of those messages. When you're finding love, not everything is perfect. This was a journey, and I want to apologize because nobody would ever be more sorry. Addis said she never intended to

hurt or scare the victim, and she doesn't blame him for her incarceration no i love him bathe in his blood and wear his body parts that phrase is going to stick with me for a long time dr bethany we've actually been jokingly describing women with, quote, snakes in their head, but heads bathed in his blood and wear his body parts. And Terry Hickman, that guy lived. Terry Hickman is dead. He can't be brought back. His family is grieving.

What is at the heart of this? The truth is, Nancy, we have a phrase in my field called merger fantasies. That's when you want to merge with somebody rather than connect to them appropriately. It's considered that if you have an adult who's stuck in a very infantile way of thinking, babies merge with their mothers. And what I mean by that is they gaze into each other's eyes, there's skin-to-skin contact, there's no separateness between mother and infant.

And adults who are very pathological are really thinking from this most primitive, early, infantile way of relating. So this, I want to bathe in your blood and your body part is gonna it's like I'm gonna be one with you you're never going to be separate from me you're going to be an extension of me similar to men to women who fall in love with men in prison I'm gonna know where you are all the time you're never going to be separate and autonomous you know

I'm, I'm reminded of the trailer for desperate housewives. I don't know if you remember this, but the red head is sitting next to her. Her husband is in a hospital bed, his legs in a sling. He has, he's in a body cast. He has bruises all over his face. She's sitting on the side of the bed, perfectly coiffed. And he says to her, you tried to kill me. And she says in a pleasant voice, oh, I'm sorry about that. I love that trailer because it gets at the heart of domestic violence and this kind of dynamic. You know, I'm thinking about how even we who are crime veterans are discussing this because typically the male victim lives. But in this case, that was not to be for Terry Hickman,

who lost his life because this woman, Nijinsky Dix, could not let go. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about the death of a man in the prime of his life, Terry Hickman, who was stalked and pursued by his ex-girlfriend, PhD student, Nijinsky Dix. You certainly cannot judge a book by its cover. She looks like she's a lawyer about to go into court. She's perfectly coiffed. Her hair is lustrous and well-kept, perfect makeup, perfect outfit, perfect credentials, PhD student, and of all things, crime and justice, and is a killer. And her lame excuse that she had sudden memory loss and that she had been attacked,

although all she could complain of is about a back ailment when she got to jail. To Joe Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, you know, I asked you about the injuries, and you immediately started talking about her non-existent injuries. What about him? He's dead. Yeah, he is, very much so. I'm expecting a little more from your analysis, Joe Scott. Well, it is a terminal analysis, Nancy. He was shot multiple times in his home and she showed up with a semi-automatic handgun. There was still actually

when the police arrived at the scene. Now, keep in mind, let me kind of paint this picture for you. When the police arrived at the scene, she has one hand, she's kneeling at the victim's feet. Just imagine that she's kneeling at his feet. He's suffering from gunshot wounds. She's got her right hand raised in the air, you know, much like when the police on TV say, show your hands, show your hands. And between her legs, her left hand is out of view and she's holding this loaded weapon. Now, she's already shot him multiple times with this weapon. There's still a live round in the chamber. OK, because when an auto semi-automatic weapon, it loads up another round until it's out.

And there were still more rounds in the magazine. So what I'm saying is these police officers actually walked into a very, very dangerous situation where this man has died. And, you know, I think my thought is, how long did he languish on that floor? How long did he kind of dwell in that environment with this crazy person lording over him with this weapon? Well, so she's saying, because remember, your witnesses stated they heard gunshot wounds. And then she said something like, help me at that point in time. It's not like she's being attacked prior to that, where you would think people would say, help me, help me, help me.

And then you hear bam, bam, bam. It was the reverse of that. So this is a very disturbed picture that's being painted here. Joe Scott Morgan, that's an excellent analysis. I want to go to veteran trial lawyer, Jim Elliott at butlersnow.com. Jim, a couple of things. Levi Page pointed out that it was at least a 10-hour drive. Right there is 10 hours that we know of of premeditation. Finding his address, she had never been there before. Going from her car to inside, knocking on the door, him opening the door. All that time equals premeditation because under the law across our country, brought over from Great Britain when we adopted our common law, premeditation can be formed in the blink of an eye,

in the twinkling of a moment, in the time it takes you to raise the gun and pull the trigger, or less. It is no different than when you plan a long-time plan, such as poisoning someone over a period of weeks and months. Pre-meditation can be formed just like that. She had time for pre-meditation, which makes this only one thing. Murder one. Absolutely. I mean, a lot of the normal defenses that would be available to her, like a moment of passion or any of a number of other things, just they're not going to be there. No jury's going to buy that.

You know, 10 hours in the car. Also, there are reports that the two have been seen arguing in the parking lot before the shooting, which means she would have had to follow him in or somehow get in. I've got a very strong feeling this guy was not going to let her in his place. Again, this is not the first time a similar incident has occurred. Take a listen to our friend at WKMG, Eric Sandoval. Osceola County Sheriff's investigators say a woman called 911 around noon today from this home on Blackpool Way. She said someone she knew was trying to get inside, and he was armed.

When deputies arrived, they say they confronted a man matching the description a block away and that is when he pulled out his gun and shot himself. They identified him as 20-year-old Kai Douglas Williams and inside the house, they say they found his estranged girlfriend, 18-year-old Larissa Barros, shot dead. She was my best friend. Drew Smith says he's known Barros since the second grade and he lived down the street. LARISSA BORROWS SHOT DEAD. She was my best friend. DRUCE SMITH SAYS HE'S KNOWN BORROWS SINCE THE SECOND GRADE AND HE LIVED DOWN THE STREET. It's heartbroken as hell. Chest feels empty when you lose somebody that means so much to you. SMITH SAID THE COUPLE HAD A LITTLE BOY AND THEY ALSO HAD PROBLEMS.

NEWS 6 INVESTIGATED AND ACCORDING TO THE OSCEOLA COUNTY COURT RECORDS, WILLIAMS WASN'T SUPPOSED TO GO NEAR BORROWS. investigated and according to the Osceola County court records, Williams wasn't supposed to go near Burroughs. He had a restraining order after a case of domestic violence. Her friends tell us he set her car on fire here at school. He had also been arrested for stalking Burroughs. So there you see a guy with a TRO against him to keep him away from the victim, but it doesn't work. It doesn't work at all. He pursues her until he kills her. So to Dr. Bethany Marshall, court intervention in that case seemingly did not work. Nancy, 72% of all stalking cases occur when a woman is trying to leave a relationship and they are married. We think of stalking as being amongst dating partners or somebody who's trying to get away from another

person after a grief relationship. But think about it. 72% of all stalking cases are ex-spouses who are going through a divorce. So they're already in some type of legal proceeding and it doesn't provide a barrier. What I think is interesting about Dix is that she says to the doctor, I blacked out. I don't remember. In my field, we call this malingering amnesia. Amnesia is a medical disorder. And malingering means you're making up a medical disorder. It's kind of like saying that you have brain cancer so that everybody will send you money. In this case, it's making up that you don't remember in order to get out of some legal consequence. So this is the oldest trick in the book. So the lies upon lies just pile up after these domestic incidents.

I want you to take a listen to our cut number nine. This is Lisa Rosner at CBS2 with another similar case. As investigators surveyed the gun used to kill 56-year-old Elizabeth Lee Herman, students and staff across the street at the Grace Church School in Cooper Square were on lockdown. They had no idea the person shot at the city bike rack was the school secretary, a part of their community for 17 years. It was a very, very difficult morning for the kids. Several of them, including me, were out front here when it happened. After allegedly stalking her for months at her home, her workplace, and even while she was out on other dates, 62-year-old Vincent Verde is accused of shooting the divorced mother of two in the stomach Wednesday morning.

She later died at a hospital. She broke up with him in July and got a restraining order October 5th after he was arrested for stalking. She was just such an angel. He would be calling her all the time and she was like, you have to stop calling me. Even stalking her on dates that she would have with other people. I noticed Levi Page, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter, that after the shooting, she told detectives, quote, you don't do people you love like that. That's not love. I don't want that. He can't do people like that.

In other words, it sounds to me like she's still blaming him even though she's just shot him dead. Yes, and she told that to detectives when they were interviewing her when they showed her a photo of the victim. And they were doing this because she said that she had this memory loss, that she couldn't remember what happened and she needed her memory dropped. So they showed her the photo and she recoiled and was saying that, make sure that he is not near me. Make sure Terry is not near me. So she's setting herself up as the victim. Well, if the facts as we know them are true,

this is nothing but murder one as his family grieves him. Terry Hickman. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.