Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Gorgeous SC co-ed gets into wrong car, her dismembered body just found by turkey hunters

Episode Date: April 1, 2019

Samantha Josephson was just weeks away from graduating from University of South Carolina and headng to law school when she made a fatal mistake. The 21-year-old student stepped into a car she thought was her Uber ride after a night out with friends. Josephson was found dead in a rural field the next day. Nancy Grace explores this murder case with forensics expert Karen Smith, South Carolina medical examiner Dr. Michelle Dupre --author of "Homicide Investigation Field Guide," forensic psychiatrist Dr. Daniel Bober, North Carolina family and divorce lawyer Kathleen Murphy, and Crime Stories reporter Robyn Walensky. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. horrible things happening on the news, and you just don't expect it to be. One of the kids growing up with children. Her family rushing from New Jersey down to South Carolina as soon as they learned that she was missing. We believe she simply mistakenly got into this particular car thinking it was an Uber ride. It's just sickening. It's sickening. I am just heart sick, heart sick over what we believe has happened in South Carolina. A South Carolina co-ed seemingly gets into a car she thinks is her Uber. And then hours later, this beautiful 21-year-old girl, Samantha Josephson, is found dead. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. We want justice. First to Robin Walensky joining me, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful Life, CSI Behind the Casey Anthony trial on Amazon. Robin, when I first saw the photo and it shows her, there's a

video. It shows her walking out probably from a bar or restaurant. She's out with all of her friends. They're all co-eds. She walks up to a car. She seemingly, as she opens the door, says something. I'm looking at it right now it looks like she speaks or says something and she gets in and interesting it's not just her the car stops the car sees her on the corner and it stops and it lets her get in. It's not like she went up to a car zooming past and waved it down. This car comes up to her and stops. And, I mean, Robin, you know when you get off a plane and you go out to your car or your cab or whatever you're doing, there's a huge throng of people at ground transportation.

They're all waiting on Lyft and Uber. They're all waiting on lyft and uber they're all waiting on that so everybody knows now when people are just standing there at the corner they're waiting on a ride he knew that he had to know robin let's just start at the beginning what happened well you know nancy she's a senior she was going to graduate in a couple weeks. She is a beautiful, beautiful girl. Full scholarship to go to law school at Drexel in Philadelphia. Was going to be closer to home. She's from New Jersey.

She's out with a couple of friends at a bar, a bird dog bar. And this is, it's beyond belief that it's so random. She calls the Uber. She thinks that that's the guy because, like you say, he slowed down. And what do you say when you get into the Uber? I take Uber all the time. And you get it and you say, hey, are you the Uber driver? And the person in the front says, yeah, I am. But you can see the one thing that strikes me about this is that uber and lyft its competitor the drivers

nowadays have the the neon sign or the sticker in the front window and this video is very very clear to the eye and i think at that hour of the night one two o'clock in the morning maybe she didn't look to see the sticker and just trusted, well, I just called the Uber and now the driver's arrived. I'm looking at her right now. She looks like natural and wholesome Kim Kardashian. She's gorgeous. She got the long black hair that it looks like a perfect smile. And guys, let me introduce my all-star panel. With me, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family and divorce lawyer. Karen Smith from the Florida jurisdictions.

Forensics expert. When I say expert, I mean it. Renowned medical examiner. Author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. From this jurisdiction, Dr. Michelle Dupree and forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Daniel Bober. We've all looked at the video. We've all looked at her. You know, I'm curious what you think, Dr. Bober, because think about it. And this isn't right. It it's wrong but i do it too when i'm taking an uber or a lift i'm working okay um and when i'm working i'm 200 my head is in my work i'm on the phone i'm sending

emails i'm reading texts i mean it's non-stop. Wake up and go from zero to 150, just like that. And I'm not focusing on, wow, could this guy be a killer? A car pulls up, I open the door. He looks like he's expecting me. I go, are you over? They go i hop in if you look at this video dr bober she's totally unassuming she has no idea what's happening dr bober how do we put on blinders i mean because i do the same thing bober because nancy you believe that it's not going to happen to you and all you're thinking is i just want to ride home and it's late at night. I've seen this scam even here in Florida. There's a line of Uber drivers, and so a couple of cars will slip in that aren't really Uber. And you get into the car and you don't think twice about it. But they always tell you to check the tag, the make and model of the

car, and the driver's name, and make sure it all matches up. And who's thinking that? Exactly. All you're thinking about is, I want to get from point a to point b and i'm not thinking about whether this driver is even the correct driver much less a killer so i think it's just human nature you know uh joining me also out in la my partner in crime alan duke here in the studio jackie howard alan um i love la i love california my sister lives in california with her family but But when I'm in LA, not because of LA, don't take it the wrong way, Alan Duke, I'm miserable because I'm away from my twins. I could be anywhere away from them and I'm miserable. I'm five hours in the air away from them. So when I'm in California and I'm trying to get an Uber, because it's hard, you don't just go

out on the street and raise your arm and a taxi drives up like in New York. Out there, you kind of have to plan it. They don't have taxis just swarming the streets. So you have to get your car, get your ride. And I am so anxious when I'm there in your hometown because I want to do my business and get on that plane and get back to the twins. I would probably crawl in, you know, a semi thinking it was an Uber. You know, because the car pulls up. Everybody's crazy driving in L.A. You pull up, a car slows down. Of course it's an Uber.

Who else would slow down in L.A.? Nobody. Yeah, they're everywhere here. I mean, this weekend I called an Uber to get my daughter and grandkids over for the weekend. That's how common we use it. My wife had a situation in Beverly Hills where she was driving through in her car, which is a nice black car. Somebody jumped into the back seat. It was a guy apparently high on drugs who thought it was his Uber.

Dear Lord in heaven. He wouldn't get out until she called the police. And I was attacked by a guy who pretended like he was a Lyft driver. That's actually a case being prosecuted right now. It sure is, Alan. Pretty crazy. If you need me to come make a cameo appearance in court, I will. I actually may.

Her family rushing from New Jersey down to South Carolina as soon as they learned that she was missing. And today they learned the horrific news. We believe that she simply mistakenly got into this particular car thinking it was an Uber ride. She opened the door and got into it. The 21-year-old political science major at the University of South Carolina would be found the next day by turkey hunters murdered in a wooded area. 24-year-old Nathaniel Rowland is in custody for her kidnapping and killing. He was pulled over in that Impala by police Saturday

morning and tried to run away. Officers caught up with him and searched the car. Analysis concluded that the blood in the suspect vehicle was that of the victim. Also a cell phone belonging to the victim was found inside the passenger compartment. Samantha Josephson was a native of Robbinsville, New Jersey and grew up next door to the Midnick family. Smart, bubbly, funny, funny kid. She was a good kid. She was set to graduate in a few weeks

and return closer to home for her next chapter. Sammy had a full ride to Drexel Law School. The child locks were enabled in that vehicle so there was no way that she could escape out of one of the back doors. Oh, that just makes me sick. I feel like just crying right now. I mean, this girl was doing so much with her life. I'm talking about a 21-year-old girl, Samantha Josephson, already had a full scholarship to Drexel Law School in Philly.

I'm just, she had so much ahead of her, and she was trying so hard, just weeks away from graduation there at University of South Carolina, and she was doing nothing every other co-ed wasn't doing. She was out having a good time with her girlfriends, going home alone to her room at University of South Carolina. Hails an Uber, gets in, and she's dead. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Jackie keeps waving her arms here in the studio and saying something about a picture.

What, Jack? Uber always sends you a picture. Okay, got it, got it. Is that true? I never even look to see if I have a picture what jack uber always sends you a picture okay got it got it is that true i never even looked to see if i have a picture kathleen murphy is jackie what jackie is telling me and i'm trying to repeat as best as i can i think i'm the weak link in this scenario kathleen murphy jackie's saying uber sends you a picture of your driver. Now, I didn't know that. I've never gotten a picture of my driver. Is that something new? That is something that we get when we do our Uber.

But, Nancy, I have to say something, and this is on my heart. Her parents are, I just can't even imagine where they are. But hearing their story today, I called my daughter who is in Philadelphia, who uses Uber all the time, who's getting ready to graduate in May. And I warned her. And so their daughter's death is not in vain.

I warned my daughter. The other thing I need to say, Nancy, is when this guy was picked up by the police, he was trolling again. He was looking for somebody else. Their daughter's life was not lost in vain. Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Kathleen Murphy is telling me something.

Robin Walensky with me, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. And I'm about to bring in forensics expert Karen Smith and Dr. Michelle Dupree medical examiner and author Robin what Kathleen is saying is striking a chord in me because when I'm looking at the video which you can see at crime online.com he is trolling she put it perfectly he this is not some accident on Samantha's part. She's standing there on her phone, looking at her phone on the corner. It's late at night. He is slowed down.

He pulls up to her. This is no accident where she just happens to get in the wrong car. I am telling you, and there's no way for me to prove it right now, because my only witness is dead murdered that's Samantha but he led her to believe that he was an uber driver Robin I mean by the way remember I was saying he slows down he comes to a stop and pulls up to her he's trolling that's exactly what he's doing right and he's slowly coming around a corner. In this area, if you've ever been there,

there's a finite amount of bars. This is not like New York City or New Orleans where there's tons and tons and tons of endless, endless bars. This is the downtown area where the college kids are finite amount of bars and he's slowing down as if he's the uber driver he has a mo and this is his mo and so he's pretending but he was you know out to do something very very bad it is making me sick. I agree with Samantha's mother that this is the last thing Samantha saw. This, as she says, vile killer who put on the child locks in the car of the back seat so she couldn't get out. His name, Nathaniel Roland. He's being detained right now

at the Alvin Escalon Detention Center on four charges, murder, kidnap, failure to stop on police command, possession of drugs. He's taken into custody 3 a.m. on Saturday after a Columbia police canine officer spots his vehicle near Five Points. Is that where it was, Robin Walensky, the Five Points area, Robin? Yes. Fitting the description of the one Samantha Josephson entered the night she disappeared. The officer makes a routine traffic stop. Then he jumps out of the car and leads the cop on a foot chase. Blood discovered

in the trunk. Blood discovered in the passenger compartment of the car that he was still driving. That blood confirmed to be that of Samantha Josephson. Straight to you, Karen Smith, forensics expert. Tell me about the traces left behind. And this is the deal. Nothing goes without a trace, a touch DNA, a hair, a fiber. There is a trail in that car, Karen Smith, forensics expert. Tell me about it. That's right. That is low cards exchange

principle. That is the hallmark of forensic science. Every contact leaves a trace. And in this case, he left a lot of traces in the car. You're dealing with visible bloodstains. I don't think that this required luminol. I don't think this required any chemical analysis. I think that the officers could see it, which meant it was nothing more than a simple color test to do a presumption that it was blood. Once they had that presumption and the color test came back positive, they took some samples, they shipped it off to the laboratory where they quickly did a comparison with her blood and found that it was a match. So at that point, they know they've got the right guy, they know they've got the right guy they know they've got the car and then they did a subsequent search for additional evidence so fantastic fantastic police work okay let me ask you a question um you're saying that that was probably to the naked eye what else

do you expect to be found in that car do you believe that that black car i believe it was a ford impala do you believe that was the primary crime scene, Karen Smith? Yes, I do. I do believe that was the primary crime scene. And the reason I believe that is because, listen, if you have blood inside a car, you have a violent crime. There's no two ways about it. Something violent happened in that car. I don't know the amount of blood that they found. I don't know if it was trace amounts or if it was a larger amount. I don't know what the trunk looked like, but if they could see it, then we can make the assumption that a violent crime occurred. You're also going to look for hairs. You're going to look for fibers, any type of other biological evidence that may be present. You know, I'm not going to go into

details on that, but I think we can all use our imaginations okay you know what Karen Smith forensics expert look around you're on a crime program okay semen yeah that's what you're talking about go ahead I mean when you talk to a jury you have to say exactly what you mean and I expect the same thing that's what I think is going to be found. Go ahead. I agree. I agree 100%. You're going to find a combination of her DNA and his DNA, semen, vaginal fluids, stuff like that, and probably in the backseat. We can use an alternate light source and do a quick sweep of that area. If you have a glow, which is what it'll look like under that light source. You take another sample, they can do a microscopical analysis of that and then run DNA compared to the suspect.

And, you know, that's the next steps for this investigation. Child safety locks are built into rear doors of almost every car now to prevent rear seat passengers from opening the doors. And this occurs while you're driving in transit and while the vehicle has stopped. Cars have been built with safety locks since the early 80s. And the reality of safety locks is that if you're in the back seat, you cannot open the door. Someone either has to disengage the child lock from the front seat, the control panel, or get out and open the door. Again, built into rear doors of most cars to prevent children from getting out.

And it's very simple. It's safe, it's secure to keep children getting out of the car. Now, it's called a child lock, but in this case, it resulted in murder. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The cell phone belonging to the victim was found inside the passenger compartment of the suspect vehicle and likewise located in the suspect vehicle was a container of liquid bleach, germicidal wipes, and window cleaner. Further investigation on the suspect vehicle determined that a child safety seat was in the back and then the child safety locks were activated on the door

that would not allow someone to the means of escape from the back of the suspect vehicle. The body in Clarendon County was also located in an area known to the defendant and near an area where the suspect recently resided, according to law enforcement sensitive databases and electronic access state maintained information. Police department investigators, SLED investigators met with the Fifth Circuit Solicitor's Office. Due to the information presented along with evidence collected by SLED, SLED will be charging our suspect. His name is first name Nathaniel, middle name David, last name Roland, black male, date of birth 4-13-1994, with murder and kidnapping. That is the Columbia Police Department Chief William Holbrook in a presser describing how the suspect's car, if you looked carefully, found the victim's cell phone. I don't know if you caught this, along with bleach. To Dr. Michelle

Dupree, renowned medical examiner, joining us from this jurisdiction. She's the author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, and we are not asking you anything particular to this case, Dr. Michelle Dupree, in case you're called in on this particular autopsy for any reason. Dr. Dupree, let me ask you about him having bleach. Now, it's my understanding that although people think you can get rid of DNA with bleach and you can get rid of some trace evidence, you need something more along the lines of a muriatic acid to actually break down DNA. True, false, explain. Yes, Nancy, that is true. And I think that it also is going to depend on the amount of evidence. In other words, the amount of blood that would that would be there.

You would need an awfully lot in this case. But how does bleach break down DNA? It does break down blood. The problem is there are still trace evidence. There will still usually be some left somewhere that the perpetrator will not get. You know, I'm just imagining this crime scene. This is what we know about the alleged perp, Nathaniel David Rowland. We know that the Columbia Police Chief, Skip Holbrook, you were just hearing him, determined Rowland was driving this Chevy Impala Friday morning.

He pulled up to the Bird Dog. That was the name of the restaurant bar. You can see the surveillance video. Police believe Samantha was waiting there right along Hardin Street for an Uber ride, and she entered Roland's car mistakenly, and he was trolling. She's not at fault he was trolling representing himself as an uber driver a fake uber driver what more do we know about this 24 year old perpetrator Robin Walensky we know that he had some sort of a I believe a child

seat in the back of his car so maybe he's trying to look like a guy who's got a kid. Or I heard that there was a child seat in the back of the vehicle as well, in addition to him locking it. But you know what? This girl, Nancy, what strikes me about this? Think about this. She was a prisoner, an actual prisoner in a killer's car. And it makes me sick to my stomach when I think about it, that she had no way out. Had those locks not been the child safety locks not been invoked,

she could have jumped out. And yeah, she would have gotten hurt, but she wouldn't have gotten killed. Oh, and by the way, who's driving around with a bottle of bleach in their car in the middle of the night? My bleach is in my laundry room. Why is it in his car? Why is he armed with a big bottle of bleach? There are no words to describe Damon's pain. His actions have cost our family and friends. In the courtroom held close by Samantha Josephson's dad and sister. He's taken away a piece of our heart, soul, and life. Samantha's mom, Marcy, explained the agony left behind in a prepared statement to the judge. She preferred we not show her face. It sickens us to think that his face was the last thing that my baby girl saw on this earth.

Accused killer Nathaniel Rowland waived his appearance at the bond hearing. The judge says his bond will now be set in General Sessions Court. Marcy took the time in the courtroom to share more about Samantha. Samantha was bubbly, loving, kind, and full of life. USC College of Arts and Sciences says Josephson was a political science major, and we learned from her mom what her plans were after graduating. She had a plan. She worked hard, was graduating from college in May and starting law school in September. That future is no longer possible,

leaving those she knew with a heavy heart. He took away our daughter, a sister, a granddaughter, a niece, a cousin and a friend to so many. Samantha Josephson, a name Marcy wants never to be forgotten. My daughter's name is Samantha Josephson. Don't ever forget her name. Samantha Josephson. Shame on her. That from our friends at WYFF TV. I also understand that her

body to Dr. Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, joined me, was found by a group of turkey hunters about 65 miles away from where she was last seen alive. I'm not going to ask you, Dr. Bober, about the physical forensics, but what does that say to you, that her body was just discarded out in the middle of a wooded area, just left to decompose? Nancy, what that tells me, given the fact that this guy was driving around with bleach in his car and trolling, that he's probably done this before and there's probably unsolved homicides that he's involved in. I mean, this is a guy who makes a habit of it and, you know, treats human beings like they're pieces of trash that he can discard. So you're dealing with someone who seems like a particularly psychopathic kind of personality. To Robin Walensky,

CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter, what more do we know about what was found in his car and about the location of 21-year-old Samantha Josephson's body? Right. Well, it was in a wooded area where these turkey hunters were, Nancy, and they find the body and call 911 and the police come out there. As I understand it, this is an area that was very familiar to the killer that he used to live in this area. And so he was trolling in a spot populated by young college co-eds doing his kill and then dumping the body in an area familiar to him. You know, isn't that always so true? We see it over and over, Kathleen Murphy. For instance, Scott Peterson kept going back to the San Francisco Bay.

He discarded Lacey's body in an area he was familiar where he would go fishing. That's just one example, Kathleen Murphy. Wait in. I want to say that when this gentleman was arrested, gentleman, why did I say that? When this perpetrator was arrested, I believe that he was looking for his next victim. So he went back to the same place. He thought he could pick up another beautiful young woman. And that's how the police found him. He was back at the scene. You know, it's amazing to me.

I'm just a trial lawyer. That takes a shrink about why so soon after her murder, he would be back in his car, her, Samantha's cell phone, bleach, window cleaner, and cleaning wipes. About 2.09 a.m., the suspect that was operating a black Chevrolet Impala approached the victim in the Five Points area in Columbia while she awaited for transportation. What we know now is that she had in fact summoned an Uber ride and was waiting for that ride, that Uber ride to come. We believe, we don't have a statement or any

evidence that suggests this other than our observations on the video. We believe that she simply mistakenly got into this particular car thinking it was an Uber ride. She opened the door and got into it and departed with the suspect driving. With those child locks on the back, there was no way out for Samantha. How many times have I said the words, just get an Uber? Just get an Uber. I mean, when I hear her mother speak, you know what? Alan Duke, my friend joining me in LA, you know how I feel about John David and Lucy, my twins. The same way you feel about your beautiful girl. And the same way everybody feels about their children.

I pour every waking moment, if I'm not working, into them. I dream for them. I hope for them. I try to push them one step further. Have you done your homework? Can we work on your science project? Let's work on your Girl Scout. Let's work on your board.

Anything just to help them one more step along the way. Just one step. Anything. Anything. help them one more step along the way. Just one step, anything, anything. All those hopes, all those dreams into Samantha. They poured all their effort, Alan. They got her through undergrad at University of South Carolina, and she had a full scholarship to law school. How proud do you think, Alan, they were of Samantha? I can only imagine because she's so beautiful and an accomplished young lady. By the way, let me mention there is a GoFundMe effort to raise money for her funeral and memorial costs.

All of the money will go to support the family during this tough time. They've raised almost $49,000 already. Samantha Lee Josephson Memorial Fund, you'll find it on gofundme well you know what alan i'm so glad you brought that up because um i remember when my dad passed away we had the most awesome funeral home helped my mom helped all of us but you know when you get that bill at a time like that it's like another kick in the gut, you know. So that's just one less thing they're going to have to break into their savings for. It's just her future, her world looked so bright, and it ends like this. Here's Chief Holbrook. The traffic stop that I mentioned occurred about 3 a.m. The Chevy Impala that was driven by the suspect had a large amount of liquid that we believed to be blood and once they did a

presumptive test it in fact was confirmed to be blood. They executed a search warrant on that car. Additional amounts of dark-colored liquid that was tested positive for blood was discovered in the trunk and in the passenger compartment. Collections of blood were obtained by the SLED forensic crime scene agents and were submitted to the SLED DNA lab for analysis to compare the known standards of the victim. The analysis concluded the blood in the suspect's vehicle was that of the victim's. I'm just sick, sick.

This guy, Nathaniel David Rowland, 24 years old. Think about it. Did you hear what Chief Holbrook said? Blood, quote, lots of it. From what we understand, she was brutalized from her head to her feet. Brutal injuries all around her neck, her face, her head, her upper body, her legs, all the way down to her feet. Her beautiful body found hours later dumped in woods off a dirt road in Clarendon County

over 60 miles from where she was last seen on that surveillance video, getting into Roland's car. Her mother, Marcy, was so broken up at the last hearing, which he didn't have the guts to show his face and see Samantha's mother. She had to read from a statement. And I can tell you this, Dr. Bober, Dr. Daniel Bober with me, forensic psychiatrist, I'm glad she had something to read from because I remember testifying at my fiance's murder trial. It's such a blur. I don't even know what I was saying, Dr. Bober. I only, even to this day, with all the joy in my life, I can only remember little bits and pieces of that, that trial.

Just like I'm seeing an old movie, and I see bits, and then the film is spliced, and then suddenly, yeah, I see another part. It just, I don't know how she kept her wits about her to even speak. Why is that, Dr. Bober? Why can't you think straight when you're under so much stress and pain? Because, Nancy, it's acute stress. You know, people talk about the fight or flight, but it's really the fight, flight, or freeze. And some people are so traumatized that they're disconnected from their thoughts and emotions. It's sort of the mind's way of protecting itself because the trauma is just too much to bear she read this quote there are no words to describe the immense

pain his actions have caused our family and friends he's taken away a piece of our heart, soul, and life. Shame on him. We thought he would be here to see his evil face. I cannot fathom how someone could randomly select a person, a beautiful girl, and steal her life away. His actions senseless, vile. It sickens us to think his face was the last thing my baby girl saw on this earth. His unspeakable violent actions have created a hole in the universe. You know, Kathleen Murphy, she said it so perfectly. A hole in the universe. I remember when Keith was murdered, I felt like, and I still say this, that the world stopped and I got off and I turned around and the

world was still spinning. And I just couldn't imagine that life went on as normal because it is a hole in the universe. Her universe. Nancy, her sister, she had one sister her sister is now sisterless and I am just I have three girls and I cannot even fathom where these parents are coming from I'm heartbroken I am devastated but I will say this again she did not die in vain I called my daughters and I said don't ever get in an uber unless that driver matches don't do it to dr. Michelle Dupree joining me, my longtime, not just colleague, but I consider a friend.

Although you're a lot smarter than me, Dr. Dupree, you do put up with my questions, which must be child's play for somebody like you and Dr. Bober, for Pete's sake. Kathleen, Karen, and Robin, please don't feel left out of this. But I mean, but Dr. Dupree, I want you to speak to me on a human level, not as a medical examiner and author. And I'm looking at a picture right now, Dr. Dupree. Now, you know, Dr. Dupree, I grew up on a red dirt road in the middle of, you know, rural Bibb County. I didn't even know where Barcelona, Spain was. But I'm looking at a picture.

I mean, my dream is to send my children all over the world so they can see it all and experience it all and know it all. And I'm looking at a picture of her at the airport with her parents last January on her way to spend a semester abroad in Barcelona. How hard do you think those parents worked to give her all of these advantages in life, Dr. Dupree? Nancy, I'm sure they worked very hard. And there's just nothing, as you know, like losing a child. It's just devastating. And I just want to say that our community here, everyone in the city, in the town, in the state, is just devastated by this news.

It was a horrible, tragic event. We wait as justice unfolds. If you have information, please call toll-free 888-274-6372. Repeat, 888-274-6372. Nancy Grace, Crime Stories, signing on. Keep the faith, friend. Goodbye.