Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Gorgeous Sister Anna Schmidt Tortured Over Murder of Penn State Star, Arrests Made

Episode Date: August 23, 2026

Billy Schmidt, a 22-year-old Penn State student, ambushed as he headed home from a local bar after watching the NBA finals. Two individuals allegedly stole his phone, Surveillance footage shows Schmidt confronting the men, saying, “Give me back my phone.”  One of the men shot him in the chest, killing him.   The shooting occurred around 1:30 a.m. on Durfor Street, just steps from Schmidt’s home. Witnesses and video footage indicate that Schmidt pursued the suspects after the theft. One suspect threw the phone, while another turned and fired the fatal shot. Schmidt was rushed to Penn Presbyterian Medical Center but was pronounced dead shortly after.    Authorities recovered the phone and a single spent shell casing from the scene. Surveillance footage from neighbors has been collected to help identify the suspects.  Now, 19-year-old Kadafi Fleming and his 16-year-old brother, Azubayer have been arrested.  Colorado weeks ago.   Joining Nancy Grace today:  Anna Schmidt - Sister   Bill Schmidt - Father Matt Mangino  - Attorney, Former District Attorney (Lawrence County), Author: "The Executioner's Toll: The Crimes, Arrests, Trials, Appeals, Last Meals, Final Words and Executions of 46 Persons in the United States" Dr. Geri Lynn Utter  -  Clinical Psychologist specializing in psychological evaluations and risk assessments for individuals involved in the criminal justice system, Author of “Mainlining Philly: Survival, Hope and Resisting Drug Addiction,”  “Aftershock: How Past Events Shake Up Your Life Today,” Producer of “Utter Nonsense,” a documentary of exploration of addiction and severe mental illness, available on Apple TV and Prime Video, website:drgerilynnutter.com, Instagram & Facebook: DrGeriLynnUtter  Joseph Giacalone - NY/PA - fmr. NYPD Sergeant SDS, Author: “The Cold Case Handbook,”  “The Criminal Investigative Function: A Guide for New Investigators 4th Edition” Podcast host of "True Crime with the Sarge", YouTube: Joseph Giacalone, Twitter: @JoeGiacalone,www.josephGiacalone.com  Thomas Coyne   - Medical Examiner, University of Florida,  District Eight Medical Examiner, State of Florida, toxicologist, forensic pathologist and neuropathologist  Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories' See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. The new Red Bull Dragonberry and Tropic Berry Energizers, now at McDonald's, made with freeze-dried fruit and an electric burst of flavor. The all-new Red Bull Energizers, now at McDonald's. This product may not be right for you. High in caffeine, details of McDonald's.cai at participating Canadian restaurants, excluding Quebec.

Crime stores with Nancy Grace. Heartbreak tonight, a life cut short, an incredible Penn State Co-Ed, just 22 years old, gunned down outside his home just yards away from his parents' home by ruthless phone pirates who shoot him dead and then run with his phone. Over what? A cell phone? Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Story. I want to thank you for being with us. 22-year-old William Schmidt is walking home

after watching the NBA finals and spending the night out with friends. Then, in an instant, everything changes. Surveillance cameras capture the young man chasing two suspects who take something from him, but what begins as a desperate pursuit quickly turns deadly. That very much.

from our friends at WTXF, we have the actual footage of Bill Schmidt getting gunned down in the street, bleeding out dead. We are choosing not to show it on our own and at the request of Billy's family. All of this over a cell phone? Billy Schmidt was watching the NBA finals that night with his friends. He is a digital marketing major, a senior at Penn State, just a few months to go before he got his degree, making his whole family so proud. It was within his grasp on his way home from the NBA finals.

He's minding his own business walking along in a suburban neighborhood. When these two, let me see the video, where these two little jackals, banshees, here they are. I've looked at the video very carefully from many, many angles, and we are obtaining video from different cameras in the area of business and residential. And they are casing the area, casing it, waiting, keep showing it, please, waiting for a victim to emerge. If you continue to watch, you will see them darting in and out, hiding between cars waiting on their prey. Now keep watching. I'll tell you why we don't have an ID yet because they're wearing masks and hoodies. But I've been looking at their hair and I absolutely

can identify one particular hairstyle. And this hairstyle could have taken up to hours to achieve in a salon. So it looks to me like box braids coming down on one side. And this is just a tiny bit of the video we've obtained. So they're walking around and around and around the area until Billy Schmidt walks out, leaves his friends, hugs everybody goodbye.

He says, Hey, guys, I love you. He's never seen alive again. Over a cell phone. We're showing you a very unique sweatshirt that this suspect, one who is not the trigger man, was wearing.

I think he made that himself. That said, we got a lot to talk about tonight because these two guys are still walking free, and I guarantee you, based on their gate, the way they carry themselves, I think they're juveniles. Definitely under 25, maybe younger. And I think they live in the area or they frequent the area, but the way they were darting in and out of side streets. That said, let me go to our panel of experts joining us tonight. Let me first go out to Dave Matt, Crime Stories, investigative reporter joining us.

What have you learned? What happened to Billy? This close to graduation. Oh, Nancy, Billy was set to graduate this December. He was so excited about this that it just boggles the mind. He was majoring in digital journalism and media through Penn State. Now, all he was doing, Nancy, was walking home after spending his evening with friends watching the NBA finals, minding his own business. He's walking home, and he's close.

He's within a block of his home, Nancy, when his cell. phone is stolen from him by suspects one and two, as you mentioned. The video that we have shows everything. It shows him, shows Billy going after the suspects. Give me my phone back. Give me my phone back. And for that, he gets shot in the chest. Hey, look, Dave Mack, look, look, look, look, look. Suspect one is the taller guy in the gray T-shirt. There's a skull and crossbones. as I recall, there are three in all, and they're wearing halos. Suspect two is the trigger person. Why don't we have them in custody?

That said, what became of the cell phone, Dave Mack? It left in the street, in the rain and recovered. Okay, hey, I've got a few facts to add to that, too. Joseph Jacqueline joining us. Former NYPD Sergeant, he is a. author of the Cold Case Handbook. This isn't cold yet, okay, Joe, and I don't want it to go cold. He's also author of the criminal investigative function, a guide for new investigators,

and the fourth edition, which means a lot of people are reading it. He's the star of true crime with the serge, and you can find him at Joseph Jacqueline, G-I-A-C-A-L-O-N-E, but pronounced Jackalone. Josephjackalone.com. Joe, thank you for being with us tonight. Okay, let me see the video because I want the viewers to see this. They may recognize anything.

They might recognize that sweatshirt. They may recognize their gait. You know, I had a serial killer first identified by his unusual gait. He kind of dragged one leg just a little bit. That said, keep looking. The braids, of course, maybe he did them himself, but if he did that at a salon,

if it's got a unique pattern on the top of his head. If he did it at a salon, that could have taken hour. Somebody knows who these people are. Joe, I've got them on video. They touched the cell phone before as they ran, they threw it away and it landed under a car. It was recovered by none other than Billy's own father who went looking for it.

Found it under a car. That was a little miracle God turned for me. It was a run over in the middle of the street. It was under a car. Why don't we have these guys, Jacqueline? Well, I would say that they're juveniles, and they probably haven't been arrested yet, and their fingerprints aren't in the system.

We also have their shirts because they remove them as part of, you know, to be able to blend back into the crowd. So to me, that means that these guys have done this before. And you can even see the guy in the great, sweatshirt. He knows where the cameras are. He was a couple of times he ducks down. He pulls his thing down. He knows where the cameras are coming up. So this is probably part of a pattern. I wouldn't be shocked about additional robberies in and around the area based on the ammo of these two guys. And you know what? They're going to need help from the public.

They're going to need that tip. And, you know, this is the weird crash stoppers comes in. Just remember, I'm on your side here. I'm on your side. But that's not what I ask you. How do we catch these guys. You start off by telling me you think they're juveniles as well. That doesn't mean they don't have a record. If they're juveniles, I guarantee you they've got a GB record. I just can't get my hands on it and neither can law enforcement. I've been in the middle of a murder trial before. After I've gone to GV begging, begging for a record to create work up similar transactions in a murder case and every other kind of case, they won't hand those over. You've got to get a judge's order to get into juvenile records. I guarantee you they're there. And juveniles do

give fingerprints, but they're not put in the federal or the state database because they're juveniles. They're protected. But we've got their gay, we've got their hair, we've got their clothing, very unique clothing. We may have their fingerprints on the phone, on Billy's phone that ended up during underneath a car. And I can't even imagine what the dad goes through. getting up under a car. His son is dead. And there he is out in the street on the wet pavement. It rained looking for his baby's cell phone.

I mean, and he finds it. The dad finds it. And then crawls under a car on the pavement and gets that cell phone. Do you know how valuable that piece of evidence is? So Jack alone, why don't we have him? You want to tell me nobody in the city of Philadelphia knows who these two are? They do, but they need to have the outreach into the public. We need to see the council people come out there and say, hey, we need the public's help on this.

I mean, listen, Nancy, you know these cases of solved by public input all the time. And that's where crime stoppers comes into play. There are, people definitely know who these kids are. I mean, is it part of a gang? Is it part of all these different aspects that they have to look at? And unfortunately, they need that phone call. 1-9-49, Durfer. The one-pots to be shot on the highway rescue is still in the route.

It's going to be one-male shot in the chest. We have one-mail shot, one-time for the chest before. The offender then turned around and shot the metal once in the chest and ran down Durfer. The mow, the shooter was black-mow, white hoodie, black pants, black sneakers. It would be a black male, thin bill, 5-8, and 9. light hoodie, black pants, black sneakers with less than what's bound on durs and that's going to be off foot.

We got that. It was first from the Philly PD. It was also on Broadcastify. The new Red Bull Dragonberry and Tropicberry Energizers now at McDonald's made with freeze-dried fruit and an electric burst of flavor. The all-new Red Bull Energizers now at McDonald's. This product may not be right for you. High in caffeine, details of McDonald's.ca. At participating Canadian restaurants excluding Quebec.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace. These two knew what they were doing. Okay. Billy Schmidt is dead. Billy Schmidt was scrubbed in sunshine. That far away from graduating with a degree, his dream was to work in digital work with the Philadelphia Eagles. he was so close. This is one of the apples of his parents' eye.

I mean, all-American. Walking home to his parents' home and out of the blue, two jackals attack him for a cell phone. Now, I said I was glad the control room played the shot of them with Now, white t-shirts on or t-shirts? Let's see that again, because they know enough to discard what they're wearing.

And here they go. You think I can't recognize you by your gate? And look at that reflector on the ankle, the right ankle leg of the right perp. See him? The taller one is suspect two. The shorter one, the trigger person, is suspect one. They're still wearing masks. Hey, COVID's over, God willing.

They're wearing masks for a reason. They're hiding for a reason. They're darting in between cars for a reason. This didn't just happen. This is premeditated murder. And let me remind you, Matthew Mangino, veteran trial attorney, defense attorney, out of this jurisdiction. There is a death penalty.

They can't get it if they're under 18, according to our U.S. Supreme Court. Okay, I'm fine with that. But, but they can be tried for murder. They can be tried for murder. And this is murder. They did not know Billy Schmidt. They had no argument with Schmidt. Schmidt was with his friends watching the NBA finals up until he stepped out of that bar.

No beef, no problem, no prior grudge, nothing. They stalk him, they catch him, they kill him over a cell phone. Tell me one way that is not murder one. Yeah, so I guess the issue here is, you know, what level of homicide this might be. I mean, clearly we see the defendants in this case or the accused suspects ran away and the victim ran after them. You know, that certainly he wants his phone back, but, you know, could this have been avoided if he simply lets that put him up? Put him up. Are you suggesting with a straight face that Schmidt, Billy Schmidt, a 22-year-old Penn State senior,

somehow turned into the aggressor because he chased him together. get his cell phone because I think that's where you're headed. That's a simple yes-no. Yes. Okay. All right. We may not like what Mangino is saying, but that's the kind of argument that a defense will make if and when this goes to trial. And if they get one juror that buys into, that's how Matthew Mangino wins so many cases before he became a defense attorney. He was a veteran prosecutor. He's also the author of the executioner's toll. Matthew and Gina, I'm going to give you a few moments to think about what you just said

and in the meantime to Dr. Gerilyn Utter out of this jurisdiction, clinical psychologists specializing in evaluations and high-risk assessments in the criminal justice system, author of Mainlining Philly, author of Aftershock and producer of utter nonsense documentary. about addiction. Dr. Geraldine Utter, I hope you're not going to try and argue some addiction defense to me.

But my first question to you is all of this over a cell phone. A cell phone. And I can tell these two are cell phone pirates. This is not the first time they've done that. I mean, what can you get for you cell phone, $35 max somewhere?

Yeah, I mean, Nancy, when I heard about this case, it broke my heart. but unfortunately I've been seeing it a lot lately, especially in juvenile court with a lot of the evaluations that I've been conducting. This is commonplace. We're seeing this a lot. And I know when you look at it, you're like, oh, it's a cell phone. It's worth 35 bucks.

But that's not what we're talking about here. What we're talking about, in my opinion, is gang-related activity and gang-related violence amongst juveniles. The cell phone is just probably what they're tasked to do or something that they have going on amongst themselves. So what we're looking at is gang violence. We're looking at, in my opinion, juveniles, I have access to firearms. And the biggest thing that we're looking at is this normalized level of violence. It is very common in Philadelphia in the surrounding areas for kids to carry firearms, to have guns on them, to flex those guns.

I don't think we fully appreciate or understand the level of or the lack of understanding that these kids have when they're carrying guns. they're not afraid to use them. I mean, instead of just, you know, fighting with your hands or whatever it was, that's not the option. The first thing they do is they pull out a gun and they shoot. And unfortunately, Billy was somebody that was a victim of this violence. Another thing that I wanted to bring up, Nancy, when you were showing that sweatshirt, there was a name at the bottom of the sweatshirt. I wonder if that is somehow a gang identifier or if it's the kid who is wearing it, their social media handle. I think that's something that the public should really pay

attention to because I think that that's a clue. Keep up that shirt, please. Keep the shirt up, please. I also wonder, Dr. Gerald and Utter about the halos that are put over the three skulls. I've seen the skulls everywhere, but with a halo over them, I wonder what that means. It's got to mean something. I think it's very telling. And the other thing is they're juke, I believe they're juveniles just by, you know, the way that they're walking, the way they're carrying themselves. I work with juvenile on a regular basis. The thing that's scary about this is let's say, for example, the juvenile is 15 years old, 16 years old.

The goal would be to try the juvenile who killed Billy as an adult. And then what the court then has to figure out is if the kid's 16 years old, if five years, because the juvenile court can monitor a kid up until the age of 21, is enough to rehabilitate them for the crime that they committed. Okay. You know, I'm not ready to take in rehabilitation. My recommendation for the court, since you cannot get the death penalty for a juvenile, and I agree with that with the U.S. Supreme Court, my recommendation in cases like this,

when I would try a case or take a plea on a case, would be life behind bars. They may stay in juvenile, which they would under the law, until they are 20 to 21. Then they go into the adult system. Look, I don't want to see a juvenile in the adult system. I don't like seeing a young man in the adult system with wizened, hardened criminals. But more important than that, I have to side with the crime victim. My point is, all of this over a cell phone, I'm being joined now by Anna Schmidt. This is Billy's sister and Mr. Bill.

Schmidt, this is Billy's father. To Anna and Mr. Schmidt, thank you for being with us tonight. You're welcome. Thank you for having us. Mr. Schmidt, I thought about you so much this last Sunday, and I was wondering how you got through that day. How did you get through Father's Day? Sunday was rough to get through, but

one thing I didn't want to say he wasn't killed over a cell phone they were looking at them they were looking to get somebody in advance the cell phone had nothing to do with it they were just trying to track someone down what do you mean by that because they did take his cell phone

but I'm hearing you wouldn't mean they were trying to track someone down they were looking for someone they have video they were looking for someone for like over a half hour before. They almost attacked someone before him. But they took the phone to bait him to run across the street. They were looking to shoot somebody. So it's not about the cell phone.

Mr. Schmidt, that makes perfect sense because after all they went through, then they threw away the cell phone? They threw the phone to get him to run across the street. It wasn't about the cell phone. know, they were just trying to kill somebody. Why? They didn't even know Billy.

I don't know. Why? I exit every day. Mr. Schmidt, you know, there was a time after my fiancé was murdered. I wondered, but it was very brief. Why?

Why? For nothing, they didn't even know each other. And it was very quickly after that. realized for me why didn't even matter because I couldn't change anything. I still don't understand I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you're right because you know more about the case than any of us. But Anna, why would they bait your brother to run across the street just to kill him and then throw, I mean, why? I just think that because they're animals, they just saw them. that he was walking home alone from the bar.

So they took advantage of him. I mean, I don't understand why they would take away somebody who has such a great future ahead and loved by so much family and friends. And as we've seen through the community as well, I mean, he was always active and doing so much. with his friends and family. So I think they just took advantage

and saw an opportunity where he was vulnerable. Mr. Schmidt, what do you recall of that night? Well, I'm upset in the fact that I saw the police sirens and everything go by after it occurred. But I didn't go out because lights go by every night. I wish I got to, you know, I would have got up and went outside. The last thing I remember is, you know, him telling me, invited me to go with him.

And, you know, I said, just go with your friends earlier. That was around nine. He invited you to go out with him to see the NBA final? Yeah. Mr. Schmidt, do you ever think, what could I have done to stop this? Yeah, every day I do. I wish I would have changed my mind to win.

Anna, what do you recall of that night? I was actually in Boston with my boyfriend that weekend. We left that Friday morning, and I didn't find out until Saturday morning when I woke up to phone calls and text. to call them back. And, I mean, just didn't even feel real. Like when they said Billy, I just said who? Like, Billy, who? Because I don't, like, my first thought would not have been my brother.

He's just such, like, a harmless person and, like, just so genuine and nice and kind. So that's why hearing something like that over to, phone. It was hard to believe, especially being so far away, I had to come home as soon as I could. How is the rest of your family holding up, Anna? I guess it's just day by day. It's hard. You know, everywhere we go, like all our family members that we see, you know, almost every day. I mean, it's just sad because every time we spend time with family, he should be. be there. So it's almost like weird that he's not with us. I can still feel him in the room.

And we're, me and him, we're like on one of our younger cousins. So it's always like just been me and him. And I always wish I could just go into the other room and just talk to him and just can't anymore. So for my grandparents, too, it's hard. Was it just you and Billy? Is that you only sibling. Yeah. Yeah, we were 18 or six, is 18, 18, 18 months apart. So we're, we're, we're pretty close. We're only a grade level apart in school. Anna, you remind me so much of my daughter and my son, they're twins. And in school, all the teachers said, you have to separate them. And my daughter, would cry that she did not want to be apart from John David, all the way back to pre, pre, pre-K. And they stayed together through school the whole way they just graduated high school,

and now they're going to be separated. And I hear what you're saying. It's just there's a bond that can never be broken between two siblings, just the two of you, When you say you feel him in the room, what do you mean by that? Like when we're all around family, like, it doesn't really hit me as much because I feel like he's just, like, in the other room talking to my grandparents or something. Like, every time when we all hang out, it almost feels like he is there with us. And it's just, like, really hard kind of like the minute everyone leave.

Mr. Schmidt, Bill Schmidt, his son is named after him, Billy Schmidt. Mr. Schmidt, how did you come upon your son's phone, which could be an extremely important piece of evidence if there are fingerprints on it because they don't appear to be wearing gloves? They told me it happened on the 1900 block of Dürfer. I thought it was 19th in Dher. I didn't really believe it at first. I went up and I didn't see Crimson tape. I just started dialing the number and looking at the phone. And I found that it was in between Dherfer and Wolf like halfway up the block. So it was right before 20th and Wolf. So they evidently they ended up, picked it up, and then they went and did shit again under another part. Have police told you anything about the possibility of print?

There's a few prints on the phone. There's a look into that right now, as far as it now. Sometimes it can be very difficult if they're partial prints, but it can be done. I've got no doubt in my mind that these two have committed crimes before. Just by their demeanor, I can't explain it to Joe Jekyllone joining us, former NYPD sergeant and author. you know, it's something you can't explain totally, but when you have tried as many cases as I've tried or investigated as many cases as you and I, literally tens of thousands of cases, you get a feel for the crime.

This was definitely not the first time these two had committed a crime. They knew what they were doing. They lay in wait. They waited. They searched for a victim. They found a victim. and I believe what Mr. Schmidt is saying. I don't know that it was ever about the cell phone.

They lured him and shot him. They didn't even know him. What I'm saying is this is not their first crime. So my point is, even if they're juveniles, what about getting those prints, aren't juvenile's prints in a database? And what can you tell me about ballistics? Don't you think this bullet or shield casing has been entered into Nibben, the National Ballistics Database? The problem that you're dealing with here is you have a district attorney who has been very friendly to criminals, specifically juveniles.

And I don't know if you're going to be able to get access to those cases. So the cops really have, they're behind the eight ball in certain aspects of some of the tools that they should have. I think there are other video surveillance of these guys. I'm still going to call on the public to be able to provide the information to find these guys. But, Nancy, as you know, these guns, they refer to them as community guns. They just get passed around. That gun ended up in the hands of another member of this is a gang, and they just keep on passing it off. That's part of the problem.

So even if they get a hit in Nibin, the fact that if you find the gun, even that person that possessing it is not going to be charged with that murder unless they have some other corroborating evidence. Well, I guarantee you, if we find the gun, that will be a rat who will rat out who has had the gun. The new Red Bull Dragonberry and Tropicberry Energizers, now at McDonald's, made with freeze-dried fruit and an electric burst of flavor. The all-new Red Bull Energizers, now at McDonald's. This product may not be right for you. High in caffeine, details at McDonald's.C.A. at participating Canadian restaurants excluding Quebec.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace. We do know a single spent shell casing was found. You can still get evidence off a shell casing, even though it's not the bullet. I don't believe this is an isolated incident. What is concerning me the most, not from an evidentiary point at all, to Dr. Thomas Coyne joining us out of Tallahassee,

esteemed medical examiner there in District 8, state of Florida, toxicologist, pathologist, neuropathologist, Dr. Coyne, tell me about Billy's injury because he did not die instantly.

Yeah. Gunshot wounds of the chest. I'm sure we're all aware the chest has a number of vital organs. So the heart's on our left side, the lungs on the right and left, and the lungs have numerous arteries. The aorta, which is the main artery that comes off of our chest and travels down through our chest.

So if a bullet strikes any one of those structures, you will have a rapid and high volume of blood loss. And so you could probably bleed out into your chest cavity enough blood volume to lose consciousness within 30 seconds and you could potentially have your heart stop or stop breathing within a minute. But the whole time you're conscious. You know, it's not an injury to the head. And so unfortunately, Billy would have been consciously aware of the fact that he was

injured. And the other thing is the right in our chest is our spine. So your spinal cord is there as well. And so if the ball happens that hit the spine or passes the spinal cord, the person may become paralyzed from the chest down. So he may have dropped immediately to the ground and had been laying there while he was bleeding into his chest cavity. Important. The braids. Of course, we all know there are multiple types of braids. You've got cornrows. You got cornrows with the fade. You got box braids. They're individual braids that hang free. You got two-strand twist.

That's a DIY. You got freestyle. So many more. Why do I care? Because if the braids, which look like to be box braids, were done in a salon, someone will recognize him. I guarantee you tonight that somebody has shaved their head or they're wearing a head covering.

They're wearing a derag tonight. I guarantee you that. back to Mr. Schmidt, Bill Schmidt joining us, were the sweatshirts recovered, Mr. Schmidt? As far as I know they were on the 2,700 block of the Kluen Street. Because that is going to be full of DNA, full of DNA. They're suspect one. Suspect one is not the shooter. The police have named suspect two. to be the shooter. Anna Schmidt, what is your message tonight?

Someone knows who they are, and they're seeing the news, and not saying anything. So I just like, they took away somebody who was so loved and had such a bright future. And I want somebody to speak up, because what they was inhumane, and we deserve the peace of knowing that these animals are captured. So I just urge that there is that $20,000 reward for anyone who knows any information, and I miss him. We miss him so much, and he was so loved.

Anna, do you ever wake up in the morning, and just for a few seconds even, Think everything is normal and then you remember? Yeah, every day. It almost feels like, it's not real yet. I still feel like sometimes she's here and then the next I can hear a song or, you know, see something that reminds me of him and remember that I won't be able to make any more memories with him. What makes you think of him? What song?

What makes you remember him? Oh, anything by Zach Bryant or Billy Joel. And he likes Steely Dan. He really did love music. And we shared a lot of that same music. So it's hard, like, listening to songs. Because now, like, every song reminds me of him. Anything, Philly Sports-related, he was, you know, the smartest person on stats.

and everything like that. And, you know, it's like every, for us, like, Philly Sports is everywhere, and it all reminds me of him. What did he want to do with the Eagles, Anna? Um, he, he wanted to either, he was studying, like, um, communication, so something either along the lines in marketing or, um, like broadcasting, I actually helped, him make his LinkedIn so I can help him like start applying to jobs for when he graduated.

We're looking at photos of him right now. And his eyes, those big, beautiful eyes when they look at the camera, it just looks like he's just so pure. Mr. Schmidt, does it make you wonder like I have so many times? Why wonderful, good people with pure hearts? Why do they end up being crime victims? Why can't the horrible people go away instead of somebody like Billy? I don't have any words for that.

He's the last first in the world I would think this would happen to. He last, like we said, he was just a nice first. You know, he never, I've never had to argue with him anything in my whole life. He was just a nice kid. And he's someone that did not deserve this. Mr. Schmidt, will you tell me a story about him? Anything. Something about him growing up, something he said.

Like, I remember my dad, my dad was a great dancer. He put us through school. He and my mom working for the Norfolk Southern Railroad. Every day, sometimes a swing shift. And I remember he came home so tired, and we didn't have any furniture in the living room because we couldn't afford it at all. And he would turn on the stereo,

and I would stand on his feet, and he taught me to dance. And we had plenty of room because we didn't have any furniture, right? So that's one of my memories of my dad. Can you tell me something about Billy, anything? I just remember when he was young in baseball, I used to coach him for a few years. And we have a picture, and it's just him. He went to the last Phillies game with Ryan Howard when they won the National League East title.

And he got a hundred pence autograph, and I have him sitting in the dugout of the Phillies' dugout. It was just a great moment. I actually had that game. But he was just so low-key. And he just gave anything you wanted. Anna, I don't want to keep you all too late after having to relive all this. But could you just give me a story about Billy? Yeah.

This is like one of my favorite recent ones. back in April me and him ran a 10K in Philly together and I'm so bad at running and we kind of just did it

to like do it together and I was literally so slow like my pace. We were literally getting laughed around by the people doing the 15K and like instead of like just running and you know for him to hit a piece

or anything like that. He just ran next to me the whole time. And like every time I like took a break, he stopped with me. And you know, like even throughout the whole thing, he was just like telling me like how good I'm doing and that my breathing is good and I'm having a good pace. And he was just so supportive and kind. And he did all that just so we can run through to finish line together. and I have the video. It really is. I want to wait a, that,

yeah, it's from that day and it really is one of my favorite memories with him. You know, Anna and Bill, I hear the twins

and they're about to go away to school, to college, and they're going to be separated for the first time. And they're already talking about, hey, at Thanksgiving,

we're going to, we're going to, at Christmas, we're going to, going to, going to, going, and you never think

that that's not going to happen. You never think I'm not going to be with them. And it's very hard to take in. Anna, I mean, I know you never thought that this summer

you wouldn't have them. Yeah, it's hard. Because we've made like so many plans this summer. to do like another race and this time for me to prepare for it and like plans for his birthday down the shore. His birthdays in August. So, you know, just it's hard because we had so much to look forward to. For everyone listening tonight, I know that you can feel Mr. Schmidt and Anna's suffering.

We cannot bring Billy back, but we can seek justice. 19-year-old Gaddafi Fleming, being sought for the murder of Billy Schmidt, as well as the theft of an off-duty police officer's car, has surrendered to authorities. Fleming's 16-year-old brother, Azubair out in Fleming, was arrested by the U.S. Marshal Service at a relative's house in Colorado Springs, Colorado weeks ago. The second suspect, hunted by authorities for the murder of college student Billy Schmidt,

turned himself in after more than two months on the lamb. U.S. Marshals say the public and the media played important roles in the case that began in the early morning hours of June 6th. After watching the NBA finals with friends, Schmidt was walking home alone in South Philly when he was accosted by two suspects with one of the assailants stealing Schmidt's phone. With most of the crime caught on multiple neighborhood security cameras, Schmidt is seen following them in and confronting them over the phone. Security video appears to show Schmidt saying, give me back my phone. A gunshot was then heard, and the 22-year-old rising senior at Penn State was shot in the chest just steps from his home. If you know or think you know anything about who took Billy away from his family, please dial 215-6-86-8477.

Repeat 216-686-8477. Tonight, we remember American hero Chief Ralph Brooks, Antrimp.D., New Hampshire. Passed away in the line of duty after 11 years leaving behind two grieving children sentenced to life without dad, Jennifer and Ralph. American hero chief Ralph Brooks. Thank you to our guest, especially Mr. Schmidt and Sister Anna. Nancy Gray, signing up for tonight. And again, I implore you, if you know anything about this case, please dial police. There is a $20,000 reward. God willing, I'll see you tomorrow and I. And until then, good night.