Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - GOVERNOR NEWSOM DON'T DO IT! Depraved Perp Bludgeons Sleeping Beauty Dead, Leaves Hammer in Head, Set to Walk Free
Episode Date: March 18, 202225-year-old Nicole Sinkule slept while her boyfriend plotted to kill her. Eric Marum hit her with a claw hammer more than a dozen times. Marum pled guilty and received a sentence of 16 years to life ...in prison. In November, two members of the California Board of Parole granted him a recommendation for parole. One member voted against parole. Now Nicole's parents are asking Governor Gavin Newsom to deny the recommendation. Newsom has three options. If he takes no action, Marum will be released. If Newson reverses the decision, Marcum will receive another hearing in 18 months. The last option is to refer the decision back to the board for the members to modify their decision. The Sinkules have also started a petition to reverse the parole recommendation.Joining Nancy Grace Today: Glenn Sinkule - Victim's Father, The Nicole Sinkule Foundation, www.nicolesinkule.org Claudia Sinkule - Victim's Mother Danetta Sinkule - Victim's Sister John Cross - Supervising Deputy District Attorney - Lifer Hearing Unit Office Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy), www.panthermitigation.com, Twitter: https://twitter.com/TrialDoc, Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect" Katherine Maloney, M.D. - Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, Erie County Medical Examiners Office, (Buffalo NY), www.nickelcityforensics.com Sergeant Keli Garcia - Oceanside Police Department, www.ci.oceanside.ca.us/gov/police, Instagram: @OceansidePD, Twitter: @OceansidePD Samantha Lomibao - Reporter, KESQ News 3 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Beautiful on the inside and out. Her whole life in front of her, loved and loving,
had a family that adored and adores her. Why was a gorgeous, sweet, brilliant, wonderful girl. Just 25 years old.
Brutally murdered in her sleep.
And why is this guy set to walk free?
That is what I want to know today.
I'm talking about a gorgeous young girl, Nicole Cinchulli.
I'm Nancy Grace.
This is Crime Stories.
Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111.
First of all, take a listen to our cut.
This is Bray Love at ABC 10.
In 2005, 25-year-old Nicole Cinchulli was murdered in her sleep.
Her boyfriend, Eric Marum, was convicted of hitting her more than a dozen times with a hammer.
It was devastating.
And Claudia and I went over to the apartment afterwards and
we saw the area that had happened and Claudia fell to her knees. Marm was sentenced to 16 years
to life. Now, 16 years later, he's in Folsom State Prison awaiting his fate. The murderer is planning to settle in Sacramento.
What part of Sacramento? We don't know. So right now he's in Folsom Prison and we've talked to
the vice mayor of Folsom City to let her know. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you
for being with us. Before I introduce to you our all-star panel to make sense of what we know now,
including the detective on duty the night of Nicole's murder,
her family joining us, the San Diego County Deputy District Attorney joining us,
I want to first go to Nicole's sister, Donetta.
Donetta, tell me how it is affecting you,
the thought that your sister's killer could walk free.
It gives me anxiety and insomnia.
I don't sleep well.
He came to my house an hour and a half before he murdered my sister and earlier that week. So I'm definitely fearful for my life. I know he came to
kill me those two times if he had this plan. So he knew how close we were. He knew our relationship.
So yeah, I'm very afraid. Why do you believe he came to your house not once but twice? He started trying to isolate
her from me because we were so, so close. He told her at one point, your sister doesn't love you.
She's just trying to play the big sister. And she told me that. And he knew how, you know,
we were two peas in a pod. And I think he just wanted to get me away from her because then I guess he would have her all to himself, and it could break down some of her strength and her willpower is what I think.
Dr. Sherry Swartz, joining me, forensic psychologist, author of Criminal Behavior and Where Law and Psychology Intersect.
Dr. Sherry, that is a stereotypical hallmark part of the battered women's syndrome.
You isolate the victim from friends and family that would say, hey, you got to get away from this guy.
This guy's crazy.
This guy's evil.
You see the victim isolated from people like Danetta, Nicole's sister.
Well, that's absolutely right, because that's how they gain control.
They want to be the only ones influencing their target victim.
They can't have somebody who's going to shine a light on their bad behavior.
So they have to make the closest people to that person look bad.
And they're very successful at doing that. You know, Donetta Sinculi with me, along with her mother, Nicole's mother, Claudia, and father, Glenn.
Also with me, the San Diego Deputy District Attorney, John Cross, Sergeant Kelly Garcia, Oceanside PD, detective that night, and Samantha Lomebau joining us from KESQ News 3.
Back to you, Danetta Cinchulli.
I know we are about to talk about the cruel and brutal murder of Nicole,
and I know you do not want to hear those facts.
What is really important is that a parole board or a governing body does hear those facts.
But Donata, I want to hear something that maybe no one else could tell me.
You know, Donata, I have twins. They're 14 now, John, David, and Lucy.
And I love them more than anything
in this world. They have a relationship different from the mother-son or mother-daughter relationship.
It's different. Your relationship with Nicole is different from anybody else's in the world. Tell me about Nicole. She was my best friend.
We grew up with my mom's sister being murdered. So we always were taught that how special our
relationship is and never to take it for granted. So there was not one moment of our life where,
of course, we fought. We were very very close but you know we shared
best friends to this day you know childhood best friends we could trick our parents with our voices
we would do that so you know we would prank call them and switch our voices we did it to guys
in the past we were you know people used to think we were twins we were two years apart but
we were so she was my everything and i was hers you know
and you know we didn't have any other siblings i am older and you know we used to gang up against
my parents it was just her and i against the world a lot of times you know and um everybody knew that
it wasn't a secret like every single person you know, they knew once my sister died, the impact that that,
you know, that this would have on me and still does, you know, I mean, everything in my life
has failed in comparison after losing her. I can, I, I'm not invincible, but, you know, I lost the
most special thing in my life. And, you know, you know, as you're talking to Netta, it's making me
think of my children, John, David, and Lucy. They as you're talking to Netta, it's making me think of my
children, John, David and Lucy. They love to gang up on me and get what they want. It's so funny to
watch them. And they're like two peas in a pod. They're so incredibly close. Tell me about her.
What was her personality, Danetta? She always saw the best in people you know she always
no matter if you know I would be a little bit hesitant she'd always saw you know the good in
people every single person and you know um she was headstrong she you know her and I would get
in fights obviously as siblings do and she just you know, she was tough. She was liked by
everybody. Like I said, we had the same friends. She was, we did everything together. We were in
band together, swimming together. She was awesome. You know, she, she was very, you know, very nice
person. Very, you know, always put other people first.
You know, I've been looking at her photo a lot since I found out about this case.
And you know who she looks like to me?
She looks like Tiger Woods' ex-wife. You know, the beautiful, blonde, big eyes she's got.
Just perfect complexion.
Beautiful smile.
I'm just, I've looked at her so much after i started
researching your case danetta i know you do not want to hear or relive what happened to your
sister i completely understand that i hate having to remember the facts of my fiance's murder
and um it's very very upsetting so i know you don't want to hear that.
So I'll say goodbye to you. And I'll now go to Mrs. Sincouli. This is Nicole and Danetta's mom
and Mr. Sincouli, their dad. And you can find them at the Nicole Sekouli Foundation, NicoleSekouli.org.
You know, to you guys, you're two of the strongest people I've ever heard of.
Because after losing your daughter in this heinous way, in her sleep, like a sleeping beauty,
you are still fighting. And I've just got to ask
you, Ms. Tinkouli, how do you keep fighting? I keep fighting because I have to be a voice for her and not just her. I mean, now this fight is gone beyond my family.
It's gone because of the fact that he has been recommended parole.
It could be in your community.
He wants to settle in Sacramento or Napa, where his parents are,
where all the dysfunction probably started and um he's been in
Oceanside he's lived in LA he knows where we live in the desert I have to fight for my family and
for the community that he might he might I I can't sit back and be quiet knowing that he's
going to get out and someone else is going to be in danger because
I believe he will hurt or kill again. And not just kill, but murder because there's a difference.
With me, in addition to Donetta, Nicole's sister, and Claudia, Ms. Sincouli, Nicole's mother,
is her dad, Glenn Sincouli. You know, Mr. Sincouli, my parents, you know,
worked so hard to put me through school,
help me get to law school.
And I love my mother so much.
In fact, she lives with me now, with our family.
And I'm so happy that she's with me.
That said, nobody can ever, ever replace my dad.
I don't tell my husband, but I think my dad has always been my soulmate.
I just, to this day, love him and miss him every day.
Tell me about your relationship with Nicole.
Just very hard to describe, I suppose.
It broke my heart when that happened.
Actually, I had a heart attack two years after this guy did what he did. I just don't understand some things like
as a society have we stooped to a position and a level that we will even consider a bloodthirsty animal like he is to let him out to devour again? We know too much now. We know a lot. And this person, this, not even a person, this animal will strike again and someone
will be, and whoever doesn't stop, I feel is going to have the blood on their hands because he will kill again.
He will kill again.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
You know, John Cross is joining me, San Diego County Deputy District Attorney.
Help me. Help me understand why anyone would release this guy.
I hate to even say his name.
Eric Nathaniel Marham.
Why would they release him? I don't understand this.
I mean, haven't we learned anything? Glenn Siculi's right. Why do we do the same thing over and over? He will kill again. He will. That's a great question, Nancy. We fought extremely hard at the parole hearing back in November to keep him in.
We are still fighting now right beside Glenn, Danetta and Claudia to keep him in.
The decision now is in the governor of California's hands. Gavin Newsom.
Yes, Gavin Newsom. We have sent him a letter from our office asking for him to reverse
this grant of parole. Claudia has sent in a letter, numerous letters from the community. I believe
there's 70 or 80 letters in from the community. There's a petition with more than 7,000 signatures
asking the governor to reverse this grant of parole. It was an awful grant of parole.
The inmate is still dangerous.
Who the hay decided this guy?
It's been 16 years.
That's nothing.
Why should this guy walk now?
Again, great question, Nancy.
This is what the parole board decided.
That question is probably better posed to them because we were opposed to parole then.
We're opposed to parole now.
This inmate is still dangerous.
He's a young man.
This is a young man.
How old is he now?
Samantha Lomebaugh joining me.
Investigative reporter KESQ News 3.
Twitter at Samantha K-E-S-Q.
You have an incredible reputation as an excellent reporter.
Thank you for being with us.
How old is this POS now?
Is he 41?
I've got 41 years old.
Is that true?
Yes.
Yes, it is.
Okay, 41.
Oh, oh, whoa.
Samantha, let me tell you something.
John Cross, help me out.
One of the first cases I worked up where I worked on similar transactions,
it was a rape of a five-year-old and a three-year-old girl.
I got to looking at the defendant.
He was like 60-something.
And I'm like, what?
He had rapes and child molestations dating back to when he was about 19 years old.
And he was still at it and had never been apprehended.
41 and the life of a male criminal?
Oh, yeah, he's going to.
He's going to offend again.
There's no question.
Based on his age alone, John Cross. He is.
He's a young man.
He's a...
I saw him at the parole hearing. He's
a good-looking man.
Not to me.
He looks like the devil to me.
Well-educated.
What do you mean he's well-educated? I didn't know that.
He graduated from UCLA. He's got a ba in psychology i bet he's using that to his advantage who said that was that miss singhuli
that was claudia um and his father is um a psychologist a retired psychologist
dealing in anger management and domestic violence and family relations.
Domestic violence?
That's how Nicole was murdered.
You know what?
Let me go to Samantha Lomibao and Sergeant Kelly Garcia.
First of all, Sergeant Garcia, tell me what happened.
You're the detective on the night of the murder.
And Sergeant, thank you for being with us.
I know you've got your hands full.
Thank you for joining us in our fight
to keep this violent murderer behind bars
where he should be.
What happened that night?
That night I was actually on my way home
from another incident that we had here in Oceanside.
So I actually heard the radio call go out and turned around knowing that, um, that we had a murder. But when
I got to the scene, um, it was, I've been to a lot of crime scenes. I've been a, at that time I had been a police officer for probably 13 years.
I've now been here for 25, but at that time I had worked gangs for several years. I had seen a lot
of murder, a lot of crime scenes. This one though jolted me when I walked into the house, when I
saw her laying there. Why? So a lot of times in murders, you know, you see
someone's been shot, they've been stabbed, they've been beaten. I could tell that this was personal.
The thing that bothered me the most about this case, and still to this day bothers me,
is oftentimes suspects do not leave the weapon behind. They always take the weapon.
However, in this particular case, when I walked into her bedroom, I saw her lying there. She
looked, it was really sad, still sad to this day. I saw her lying there. She had a cast on her leg.
She looked very innocent, but her head was absolutely just exploded.
And the hammer that was used to kill her was still embedded into her head.
Stop. Stop. Please stop, Sergeant.
And you want to tell me this guy has been recommended to be released. You are hearing a seasoned sergeant
state that this crime scene
still is in her head
because of what she saw.
So brazen.
He left the murder weapon
there embedded in this beautiful girl's head.
How was the perp caught, Sergeant Garcia?
We had put out a description of who he was and the vehicle that he possibly left in.
And it was just within about an hour later, he was in our south area of Oceanside, and officers that were patrolling the area saw him and made a traffic stop on him.
And he actually pulled over and complied, and he was taken into custody.
You know, the reality is to Claudia Ciculli, this is Nicole's mother joining us. Don't you know they're tired?
Don't you just know that Claudia and Glenn Cicculli are just exhausted? I remember,
I kind of remember actually missing Cicculli. It's like a blur to me. My dad, and now my mom
tells me she drove me sometimes. I can't even remember around my fiance's murder trial.
It was such an awful, horrible, like a red, blurry haze to me.
I would come home from the trial and I just couldn't even think straight.
And you have been living this every day, fighting parole, fighting parole, fighting parole. And now this, I'm sorry.
You have to hear these facts again. We have to live with them, Nancy. And, um,
like I told somebody, you know, we have her autopsy papers here. I, you know, we have to
live with it. We don't have a choice. We either curl up and die,
or we could kill ourselves, or we could be a voice for Nicole and other domestic violence
women and even men. This man, this man only said that he slapped her one time. Most of it was abuse. He admits to manipulating and abusing her verbally. He admits
to that. And that's how he seduced her mind is what he did. And Nicole was pretty innocent. And
he seduced her mind and she died for love. And that last day, he was kicked out of his rehab for the second time. And she took him in
and they weren't even fighting. That night I took her home. She had, she had stayed with,
she had come over for a family dinner and I took her home and I spent two hours with her. And when I left, he obviously was stalking around her apartment.
And when I was there, we put his clothes on the porch.
And when I left, she took them back in.
And when she went to bed, she was drinking with a neighbor.
He went out to his truck and got the hammer.
The neighbor hid the hammer. The neighbor hid
the hammer. The neighbor went to get cigarettes at his apartment and came back and he heard
the noise in the room. And when Sergeant Kelly talks about the hammer being left in Nicole's
head, when the neighbor seen him, he had the hammer, he was standing with the hammer, so that means
that he hit her one last time.
And when he was asked in the hearing why he did that, and he said because it was like
the end or he finished, and he had to hit her one more time.
It wasn't enough that he hit her over 13 times and and there was everything all over the room that
that I wouldn't want to see and you wouldn't want to see but that we know about and um okay
I'm sorry I went on a little bit
when did you learn that your daughter had been killed? I left her that night and I went home and I got a call that he was there and we called the police and it started to unravel.
I went to bed and the next day my husband and I went out for errands and we came back.
I went upstairs to take a nap
and then Glenn can answer it
from there if
that's okay. Yes, Mr.
Sincule. Okay.
Claudia, I had taken a nap and
I heard
someone at our door so
I was upstairs and I went
downstairs and
two people in all black suits, like men in black type, said, are you drunken, cruelly?
And my heart, my heart seemed like it fell to my feet.
I felt something left me.
Something was gone.
So they informed me.
Something's happened.
And then I called Claudia down.
And Claudia got on the phone and I called his parents I called his
parents and I told them what his son had done to her wonderful beautiful daughter
one of my wonderful beautiful daughters so I believe Kelly was that one of my wonderful, beautiful daughters. So...
I believe Kelly was that...
one of those people at the door.
Am I right, Kelly?
Yes.
I was the lead detective on the case,
and myself and my sergeant decided
that we would make notification to the family and that was
the first time I met Claudia and Glenn and it was horrible.
I felt bad.
I had to keep it together at the time, but I really felt bad for the family, knowing what I was about to tell them.
And they were obviously upset.
And I think they know.
I felt horrible giving that news to them that day and knowing that I was the person that had to tell them what happened to their daughter and just how violent it was is what bothered me so much.
It's easy, it's not easy, but it's almost easier to tell somebody that your son or your daughter's been shot, but when you have to tell them how they were killed in this manner, it's horrible.
To this day, my heart breaks for this inculcator.
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Joining me, Samantha Lonebow, KESQ News 3.
Samantha, I never get used to investigating or reporting on violent crimes. I never get used to it. I think about
it. I dream about it. I worry about it. Can you tell me how, what we know of how the parole board has come up with the idea that this guy should be
released. What is their thinking? What do we know of this parole board?
You know, as of right now, what we know, the last time I discussed with him,
is that, I mean, I guess he's been just showing that he's now good and that he's been acting,
you know, within a certain range that should allow him to be released. But, you know, speaking with
the Cooleys back when we did the story, you know, they said he is manipulative. He is someone
that, you know, did this to their poor Nicole, was able to, you know, use his words and his actions
to persuade. And I'm not shocked if, you know, obviously I don't know, but I'm not shocked that
he's using the same thing right now while he's serving time to show that he's remorseful because,
you know, speaking with us in Cooley's, he never showed any remorse to them.
He never apologized for the crime that he did. Oh, wait, I didn't know that, Samantha Lumibao.
Hold on just a moment. Is that true? Glenn Cicculli, he never apologized? He never showed remorse? In fact, didn't he blame all this on drug and alcohol addiction? And God. What? And God. How did he drag God into it?
I can't answer that.
There's a twisted mind involved, and I can't understand anything about him.
The more I know, and we're learning a lot more, he's been a sick man for a long time.
Why do you say that?
It can't be revealed right now, I don't believe, in this format.
Well, I mean, the trial is over.
He's about to get set free.
Is there something?
It's just, you know, Nancy, this is Claudia,
and he presents with a flat attitude. And he's like a robot.
And if you look up, it's not attitude, flat affect.
Flat affect.
Person.
Yes.
And if you look that up, it's pretty scary. In fact, when we had this hearing, in the last hearing, John Cross could not, he still can't get over how robotic, the robotic nature, the mindset.
Let's talk about that, John Cross. What did you observe? no remorse. He was emotionless, cold, stone-faced. When the victim's family gave their impact
statements at the end of the hearing, he sat with his arms crossed and his head down for about an
hour without moving. He did not seem to show any remorse whatsoever.
His grant of parole was just a miscarriage of justice because we've got a man who is still dangerous.
I thought that was part of parole, John Cross.
I mean, you're the expert, everybody.
John Cross, joining me, San Diego County Deputy District Attorney.
You can find him at sandiegoda.com.
John Cross, I thought that was part of getting release,
was that you admitted to what you did,
you take responsibility, and you show remorse.
That's true, Nancy.
All of those are factors the parole board takes in.
But this was just a miscarriage of justice.
They got it wrong.
He should not have been released, should not be up for release.
He's still got issues going on. He does not realize the severity of the domestic violence
that happened before the murder of Nicole. He still blames much of the murder on the use of
methamphetamine and what he calls a meth psychosis that he was in at the time
he doesn't realize the domestic violence aspect of it and how serious it was the dominion the
control the power and control he was trying to exert over nicole he has parole plans that are very grandiose and borderline delusional.
Like what?
He wants to win an Oscar.
He wants to write a Netflix series.
He wants to be a published author.
He wants to win a Pulitzer Prize.
He wants to go hunting with his dad, even though in the state of California, convicted felons cannot own
nor be around firearms. I was just thinking this guy with a gun in his hands. Well, isn't it true,
John Cross? Isn't it true that when asked specifically what, if anything, he regretted,
he didn't even mention Nicole. He mentioned he regretted that he had used drugs. He does blame a lot of all of this on the drugs, and he overlooks the domestic violence portion of it.
And if someone does not understand what led them to do such a horrific crime, which he still can't explain why this was so brutal, why he hit her
13 times, why he used a hammer, why he used the claw on the hammer. He can't explain those things.
He can't explain those things. He doesn't understand what motivated him to do it.
Makes him dangerous. Samantha Lomiba, what, if anything, can we do? The parole board,
I believe it's two out of three people voted for him, Eric Nathaniel Marum, age 41, to be released.
What can we do now? Well, now at this point, I mean, the signatures on the petition have,
are gaining steam.
And I think it's all up to the people to bring it to their state lawmakers to try to get Governor Gavin Newsom to make sure that Merrim isn't released anytime soon.
Because after speaking with the Sinculis, I mean, he's definitely going to be a threat, even coming out of jail.
I mean, you've had the sister move out of state because she's afraid.
Absolutely.
Exactly.
Nancy, this is Kelly Garcia.
Yes.
One thing I can add to what's being said right now, also, when talking about his flat affect
is, in my opinion, whether he's on drugs or not, because at the parole hearing,
he was allegedly not on drugs. When we arrested him, he was on drugs. And during that interview,
he had zero remorse or emotion when he talked about why he killed Nicole. And his answer was
that God made him do it. So his personality and his affect has not changed in 16 years whether it's on drugs or
off drugs um he's just it's it's absolutely the same her injuries indicate that she had a
gaping hole in her skull and 13 impact holes in her head. In a search warrant, and I'm going all the way back
to trial, he said he had thought about murdering Nicole for some time because he, quote,
felt she was evil. At the time, Ms. Sincouli cried, holding tissues to her face, as Judge John Einhorn
asked about the factual basis of this guy's guilty plea. Remember, he pled guilty under oath.
There's no question that he murdered Nicole. That is not a question. So you have the
mom reduced to tears in court. And now again, she's reduced to tears because two a-holes
on pardon and parole have decided this depraved killer who murdered a 25-year-old angel.
They're letting him walk free.
That's my understanding of the injuries to her.
Did I miss something to Sergeant Kelly Garcia or John Cross or Mr. and Mrs. Sinculi?
Did I understand that?
I was at the autopsy, unfortunately,
as well. And her head injuries were so, and the Sinculis have heard this before. It's the only
reason they know I will bring this up, is her head injuries were, it was at least 13 impacts that's all the medical examiner could count at the
time but her head was so um exploded that they could not figure out how many times she had been
bludgeoned correct and they normally have to open up your during an autopsy to take your brain out
they have to open up your head with a saw.
Yes.
In this situation, all the doctor had to do was use her hands to pull apart Nicole's skull.
I want to remind everyone, and correct me if I'm wrong, Samantha Lomebaugh,
because joining us KESQ, because you know the facts much better than I do,
but isn't it true that he
had already pled guilty to misdemeanor charges in connection with violence against Nicole?
He had pled guilty several times to other charges. And not only that, there was a protective order
in place to keep him away from her that had been lifted just four months before he murdered her.
Isn't that true, Samantha Lomibo? Yes, that is true. Isn't it true also, Sergeant Kelly Garcia,
that just about three hours before she was murdered, police, Oceanside police, had been
called to the residence because he, Eric Nathaniel Morum, was creating a ruckus, an argument, a violent argument.
And police had to come and calm everybody down.
The minute they leave, he murders her.
That is correct.
He left after the first officers arrived.
They spoke with him and then he left the scene.
And then it was about an hour after that, that he returned to the house. Mr. Sincule, what is your message
to Governor Gavin Newsom today? My message would be that murderers, not people that just kill, not people that just do drugs, but murderers
should remain in prison a life for a life. This man wants to get out and get married and have
children. Whose child is he going to marry? Do you want him in your community? I'm fearful of my life because I'm his mother's age
and he has contempt for her and contempt for women. And I testified in front of him five times.
I'm fearful for my older daughter that I don't get to see very often because she's fearful for her life.
I'm fearful for my family and the community she will live in.
My husband shouldn't have to worry about protecting us at our age.
And I just ask that you find it in your heart.
You look over all the facts.
This murderer didn't pass one test that he had on the outside,
but yet she's passed all the tests in prison. Please look at all the facts and please keep them
in. To Kathleen Maloney joining us, Deputy Chief Medical Examiner, joining us out of Erie County.
Could you describe the injuries to this young girl?
Well, as I understand it, she had the minimum of 13 impact sites. But as the detective was saying earlier, oftentimes if impacts are in the same place, it's difficult to distinguish exactly how many there are.
So oftentimes, what you'll say as a forensic pathologist is you have a minimum of 13 impact
sites, but it can be difficult to say how many there actually were because the injuries are so,
there's so much overlapping, unfortunately to mr glen securely what is your
message to gavin newsom today uh have a conscience uh read what we know i'm sure you have the ability
to know more than us in your connections and uh look at the facts. And would you want this guy hanging out with your daughter?
Do you have any daughters?
If so, do they sleep at night?
I would ask him these questions.
Do you have nieces?
Do they sleep at night?
And that's all my daughter was doing is sleeping.
So, Galvin, wake up and do the right thing.
Do the right thing.
And I don't want to go any further, but do the right thing,
and that's keep this animal locked up.
If you want to help the Cinculli family, there is a change.org petition.
Reverse recommended parole for murderer.
Repeat, reverse recommended parole for murderer.
If you need more information, please go to crimeonline.com.
We have a full article including all of the links you need to help keep this killer behind bars.
Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend.
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