Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - GUILTY: "MOTHER-IN--LAW-FROM-HELL" SOBS FOR MURDER HIT PLOT ON LAW PROF SON-IN-LAW

Episode Date: September 6, 2025

Donna Adelson, accused mastermind in the shooting death of her former son-in-law, Dan Markel,    was arrested at Miami International Airport in an alleged attempt to flee to a non-extradition country. Investigators believe Adelson had Markel killed after a failed push by ex-wife Wendi to move their children to  South Florida, closer to her family. Donna Adelson is the fifth person charged in the murder-for-hire plot of her former son-in-law, a Florida State University Law Professor and well-known throughout Tallahassee. The first person brought to justice Luis Rivera, agreed to a plea deal. Rivera testifies he and his lifelong friend, Sigfredo Garcia, drove from Miami to Tallahassee to carry out the hit and Garcia was the triggerman. Rivera, once a Latin Kings gang leader, accepted a 19-year prison sentence in exchange for flipping on his close friend. This week, in Donna Adelson's trial, some of the most dynamic pieces of evidence is the money changing hands and the wiretaps. Mary Hull, from Florida Department of Financial Services, breaks down financial records before and after the murder of Dan Markel. Rivera admits on the stand he received over $33,000 for the hit. Also, the jury hears the feds wiretaps, Charlie and Donna Adelson talk in code and the bump which was orchestrated to trap the co-conspirators into a phone frenzy.  Joining Nancy Grace today, Eric Faddis - Trial Lawyer and TV Legal Analyst, Founding Partner of Varner Faddis Elite Legal, former felony prosecutor and current criminal defense and civil litigation attorney Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy),  www.panthermitigation.com, Twitter: @TrialDoc, Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology"   Ron Bateman - Former Sheriff for Anne Arundel [AIR -un-dull] County, Maryland - Former Homicide and undercover narcotics detective, Author of his crime trilogy "Silent Blue Tears" and he is currently directing and producing a film documentary on the murders at the Capital Gazette Newspaper in Annapolis. Website: Ronbatemanbooks.com , TikTok: @Ron.Bateman.655   Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), NEW Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue” launched last week, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University) Gigi McKelvey -) Journalist, Host of the podcast “Pretty Lies and Alibis” prettyliesandalibis.org, Facebook, IG, TikTok: @PrettyLiesAndAlibis, Twitter: @PrettiesLiesAlibi Dave Mack - Crime Stories Investigative Reporter     See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Good evening, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace, and this is the Friday night special crime stories. And tonight, the so-called killer mother-in-law suspect guilty. And a murder case where the state alleges she emasher, minded, an execution, a paid hit on her own son-in-law, the law professor. That's right, a so-called killer mother-in-law, but for real.

I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. So consumed with rage, with anger over her daughter's divorce, and subsequently not having visitation with her grandchildren, that she commits murder? She murders her own son-in-law over visitation? It's really hard to imagine that. And so often when we hear about a violent crime, many people will make excuses, oh, they were under stress. They grew up in a bad family. They're uneducated.

They're this, they're that. They were using drugs. They were using alcohol. A million excuses. Let me tell you about this mother-in-law. Her family, highly educated, called a five-star family by politicians, lawmakers, friends of the family's neighbors, no one within their circle can accept this woman, the matriarch of a very wealthy, very educated family, would ever do such a thing. But guess what?

I agree with police. She did it. She had her own son-in-law murdered. Because he refused to Give up his children. What do we know about the case? Let me just start with our friends at Crime Online. Donna Adelson, the mother of recently convicted murderer Charlie Adelson, is caught by police trying to board a plane leaving Miami and heading to Vietnam. Her husband, Harvey, is with her as police take her into custody, the latest person to be arrested in the murder for higher plot killing of Dan Markell. In charging documents and a warrant request, prosecutors noted that on recorded jail phone calls, Adelson discussed killing herself and leaving the country following Charlie Adelson's conviction.

He is facing a mandatory life sentence. Three other people have also been convicted in Markell's murder. Donna and Harvey Adelson had one-way tickets purchased for Vietnam. Vietnam has no extradition agreement with the United States. Okay, let me understand this with me and All-Star. panel to make sense of what we know right now. But first to Joel Waldman, joining us out of this jurisdiction in Florida, host of surviving the survivor, Joel, the mother-in-law. First of all, who's Charlie Adelson? Charlie Adelson is the brother-in-law. And he's not just the brother-in-law.

He's apparently a very well-respected periodontist. This is a very well-respected periodontist. This is a is the brother-in-law of the dead husband, the dad, Dan Markell, the law professor. So I want to first start with the mother-in-law trying to flee the jurisdiction to Vietnam, but this is just after her son is convicted in the murder. Let's just start. Why is the mother-in-law at the airport with her husband Harvey with a one-way ticket to Vietnam. Tell me how that whole thing went down. Well, Nancy, in a word, she didn't want to be arrested, and she knew that it was coming. What a lot of people don't know is that this happened over nine

years ago. So they've been waiting for justice all these years. The two convicted hitmen are in prison, as is the middle woman. But just to get back to your original question about Donna Adelson, it was on a Monday that Charlie Adelson, the ex-brother-in-law, was convicted. And then exactly, a week to the day Donna Edelson is arrested at Miami International Airport and what we found out since then is almost

immediately after Charlie's conviction Donna and her son Charlie were on the phone for 35 hours that week. Good Lord in heaven! 35 hours in one week. Guys, you're hearing Joel Waldman is a host of an incredible podcast, surviving

the survivor. Joel, Don't lose any of those thoughts. Dave Ehrenberg is joining us. Palm Beach County State Attorney and Friend of Dan Markell. Also with me, Tamara Dimco. I've got that she is a doctor, a JD, an RN. She went to Harvard Law School. But aside from all of her education and her achievements,

She's a close friend of the murder victim, Dan Markell. And again, this case is like, my, my head is spinning around with all the ends and outs of this case. But to break it down, this law professor, Dan Markell, young, attractive, devoted father, he goes out of town, he comes back, half the furniture is gone and the children are gone and he can't find the children. that starts a very acrimonious divorce with Wendy Adelson, okay? It's her mother that just got nabbed on a one-way ticket to Vietnam, dragging along the father. What did he know, Harvey? Is he just along from the writer? Did he know anything?

Long story short, David Ehrenberg, before I go to Tamara, Dave, I heard you say something that I researched intensely. You were describing Wendy's brother, the brother-in-law now convicted of murder. And you referred to him as the maestro. And you mentioned he drives around town in his Ferrari and his name tag. I mean, the license plate actually says the maestro. Yeah, he is someone who's very self-assured. That's one way to put it.

Right? It was a book by Bob Woodward years ago about the maestro, I think it was Alan Greenspan, and how he controlled the world's economy. This is how he sees himself in that same vein that he controls things. So, you know, that's a pretty interesting piece of evidence to show that this guy, self-assured to use a euphemism, is the kind of guy who would help plan a murder

and think he could get away with it. He thinks he just as smarter than everybody in the room. What? They can't read that sign at the jail and says, this is being recorded? Hello? Exactly. You know, he was so cautious.

himself throughout the trial, the fact that he took the stand and spun this preposterous lie that he was the victim of extortion, which made no sense. And he believed he had won over at least one member of the jury. And so he was shocked. You should see the face when he walked in after a short deliberation because he knew his goose was cooked. And he just put his head down. Like, I can't believe somebody has finally called me on my S-H-R-T. He finally finally had to answer up that he arranged the hit. 9-1, once the address of your emergency, okay, tell me exactly what happened.

We heard, looked in, the garage door was up, and I thought the gentleman was backing out, and I went back to my house, but he never backed out, and I came back over, and his driver's side window is shattered. He's moving his head around, but he's not responding. I've called his name, asked him,

name. Ask what's going on or not call his name, but asking what's happening. He's not responding to that, but his head's kind of rolling around. Okay. Is he conscious? Well, I can't tell. Okay. Is he breathing? I can't tell that. I'm assuming he's breathing if he's moving his head around. Did you ever hear him talk or anything? No. Okay. You said he's sitting in the car, right? Correct. In the driver's seat. Oh, my stars. When I hear about the execution style hit on a loving dad of two little boys, a loving dad devoted to his children. When I hear that, it just pounds it in. He was alive. He didn't get shot and just die instantly. He was still trying to speak. He was still moving his head around. Professor Dan Markell. I had heard of him.

as being a renowned law professor, just crackling with legal intelligence, totally devoted to his family. Hearing that 911 call and realizing that he's moving his head around trying to speak to a neighbor is excruciating. I've thought it through myself. Did the victim to die immediately? Did they know what was happening to them? What were their last moments on earth? Was he thinking about his children? Will I ever see them again? Am I going to live or die? Let's listen to more of that 911 call. We're going to hear it just like the jury. So you're saying his head is bloody now? Yeah, it's been bloody. I mean, it's window shattered. I don't know if he's tried to shoot himself. I don't know what the situation is. It's the driver's side window,

correct? That's correct. He's still moving. around so he's alive. Okay. Looks like I should have an officer coming up the roadway. Okay, well we need EMT. Well, the officer's going to be there first. They're not going to come until we figure out what's going on, but they're on the way as well, okay? You better be if this guy's got a shot. The state alleges she masterminded a paid hit on her own son-in-law. How in the hay did a mild man. Manored law professor end up dead execution style in his own garage, in his own car. I mean, he's pulling in home to see his children and his wife, and bam, he shot dead.

Listen to this. Dan Markell comes home to find the house empty. His wife and two boys gone and divorce papers left on a bed. Dan Markell describes the day as his Pearl Harbor. Without warning, life as he knew it was. gone. For six weeks, Dan Markell says he doesn't know where his children are, much less his soon-to-be ex-wife. Markle claims Adelson is getting help for mother Donna Adelson and brother Charles Adelson keeping her location secret. Their divorce order is for them to share joint

custody of the children. My stars, the whole family is in on keeping the children, the two little boys away from daddy. Let me tell you something. Dave Mack joining me along with Gigi McKelvie. First to you, Dave Matt, crime stories investigative reporter, Dave Mac, there was never an allegation that Professor Markell beat the children, abused the children, starve the children. In fact, if anything, he indulged them. He petted them too much. They were his mini-meas. He adored them. So the whole family gets in league with the wife, Wendy Edelson to hide the children from the dad. What? What? It is so shocking, Nancy, that, okay, the marriage is at that point where Wendy wants out. Now, you've got to remember that Wendy Adelson's family

is all in South Florida, and that's where she wants to go with her children. We're talking to an eight-hour difference between where the Markells live in the northern part of Florida and where the Aylson family lives in Southern Florida, rather. And when Wendy doesn't get that approval to move with, that's it. That's where everything begins, Nancy. They actually, I say they, the Aitelson family, you mentioned Dan Markell comes home to an empty house, right? Well, he had gone to a convention and he was like the keynote speaker at this big event. They made sure that he got the message that Wendy wanted a divorce.

right before he went on stage. They played it out perfectly, and there were some proud of damaging him like that. It was amazing what they did to this man. Oh, my stars. You know, hold on, Gigi. Let me go to Eric Fattis really quickly. Guys, Eric Fattis, veteran trial lawyer, TV legal analyst, founding partner, Varner Fattis, elite legal, former felony prosecutor.

That's important. Now a defense attorney. Eric, when you are about to go to trial, strike a judge. jury, give a legal presentation in front of hundreds of lawyers who are going to be asking legal questions at you. You got to be sharp. It's like a Wimbledon tennis match. You can't miss a thing.

I remember thinking in court, I'd be watching the witness and watching the jury. Watch the witness, watch the jury as questioning we take place, like a tennis match. Because if you miss one word, one sentence, legal term. you're screwed. Anything could go wrong. And so right before he takes the stage in front of hundreds of lawyers, that's when he gets hit with the news. Your wife wants a divorce and he comes home.

The house is picked clean and screw the furniture. The children are gone. Oh, I can't even imagine that fattice. You come home and your children are gone. That is what happened to him. Oh, gosh. I mean, that is going to shake anybody up. let alone someone who is preparing for a big professional presentation.

You've got to be on your game. You've got to be listening. There are details you've got to take in. You've got to make sure you don't miss anything. This is a high stakes presentation for him. And they did this in a calculated fashion intentionally to shake him up as much as they could. And really, you know, his life is crashing in upon him immediately before he's about to give this kind of a speech. I mean, clearly problematic.

and show some malice on their part. Well, I've got to tell you something, fattest. I don't know about you, but when I would go in to try a case, I would wait until everyone was ready, and I had a reason for this. The jury, no, I wouldn't come in after the jury. That's rude. But I would wait until the defense was in place. The defendant, be it from jail or on bond, was in place.

Everybody was seated. Why? Then I'd go in because I did not want them speaking to me and throwing off my concentration before I went and waited for the jury coming in. I didn't want to think about anything at all other than what I was about to do. Tunnel vision has to be that way. And I can just imagine him going to take the podium and going, hey, here's the divorce papers. Anyway, back to what happened to Gigi McKelvey, investigative journalist, host of podcast, a hit podcast,

Pretty lies and alibis, Gigi. I want to get back not from the speech that got totally ambushed. I want to get to the day he was murdered. So he's coming home and what? He drives in, does the garage and the garage goes up and he goes into the garage. What happened then, Gigi? Well, we know that Dan was on the phone with a special school that Wendy wanted to enroll their oldest son. And so he was actively talking to somebody as this happened. He told the person on

the phone, there's someone unfamiliar to me in my driveway, and he needed to see who that was. The person on the other end heard maybe a struggle, heard some loud noises, and was asking you, okay, and he could hear groans. And so he tried to call in text and no response, obviously. So Gigi McElvey, isn't it true that the killer apparently followed Markell into or right behind him, basically trapping him in the garage? That's correct. Pulled up to where he would not have been able to back out or move in any way or get out of his car without being face to face with somebody who was going to kill him.

Ron Bateman joining me, former sheriff Anne Arundel County, Maryland, former homicide, undercover narcotics detective, and author of a crime trilogy, Silent Blue Tears. Ron, this is a hit. There's no two ways about it. There's no sex attack. Nothing is stolen. There's not a carjack. Nothing.

They come up, bam, right in the head and leave. That's a hit. That's an execution. Premature with malice of forethought. Absolutely first degree murder 100%. Now, another thing, Dave Mack joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter, isn't it true that just before he was murdered professor Markell was on the phone with the wife again basically the only person left standing that hasn't been formally accused of murder they had been talking that whole morning and Markelle had left her a voicemail about wanting to talk about the boys and she texted him his plans won't work then they argued about about when Wendy could get the children.

She was saying he could keep them a little bit longer and then he's dead. Isn't that the scenario? They're arguing about the children that morning. It was a constant discussion between Dan Markell and Wendy about the children and about when Dan would have time with them, when he would see them, where he would see them was a big part of this. Geography really plays into this entire case. But yes, Nancy, she kept him on the phone and distracted all morning. Okay, guys, again, Wendy Adelson has not been charged and has not been named as a person of interest in her ex-husband's murder.

She is a lawyer, a very good lawyer. She has not been named a P-O-I or suspect. Okay, what more do we know? Listen. After the court prevents Wendy Adelson from moving to South Florida with the children, Adelson's mother, Donna, suggests the family offer Markell $1 million to allow the children to relocate to South Florida. Donna and husband Harvey will contribute a third. Charlie Adelson, Wendy's brother will contribute a third. Wendy will pay a third. Donna Adelson also suggests telling Markell that Wendy Adelson is going to have the boys converted to Catholicism. Knowing Markell and his family

are strict to Jewish faith, Donna Adelson believes the mere thought of his children being raised Catholic would convince him to let the boys move to Miami. Man, talk about down and dirty. To Dr. Sherry Schwartz joining us out of this jurisdiction, I might add, forensic psychologist specializing in capital mitigation and victim advocacy. She has written multiple books, the one I like the best criminal behavior and the other one, where law and psychology intersect. Dr. Sherry, thank you for being with us.

Dr. Sherry, number one, they try to bribe Markell, the mother who's on trial right now for having her son executed, the mother-in-law literally from the gates of hell. Oh, yeah. Don't be fooled by that right there. We'll just wait until you hear what we found on those wiretaps. She's presumed innocent until proven guilty. Dr. Sherry, number one, trying to bribe Markell offering him a million dollars, a cool mill. If he would let the boys relocate from Tallahassee hours away to Miami, he's like, hell no, I want to be with my children.

I don't even want this divorce. Then, after the bribe didn't work, she allegedly decides to, torture him by telling him he is a devout and strict Jew. They're going to tell him that they are having the boys baptized and converted to Catholicism. Don't you know he did a backflip? Generally speaking, when you're talking about this level of cruelty, it's very similar to characteristics that we see in narcissistic parents. It's all about power, manipulation and control. And when the person, the target, in this case, Mr. Markell, doesn't go along with what the narcissist wants. There's a state of narcissistic rage where they will engage in acts of extreme cruelty, such as not just bribery, but threatening that they're going to convert the children to a different religion.

Dr. Kendall Crowns is joining me, Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth. He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine that is at TCU, and he is a star of a brand-new hit podcast, Mayhem in the morgue. Dr. Kendall Crowns, I want you to hear the trajectory path of the bullet that tore through Dan Markell's face. The Florida criminal law professor was pulling into his driveway and on his cell phone when he was fatally show. The killer was waiting for Markell outside his home in Tallahassee's Batten Hill section, then followed Markel into the garage when he opened it. Markell was shot in the side of the head through the window of his car. The bullet entered just beneath Markelle's jawline.

Dr. Kendall Crowns, I'm having my hot tea, but I think I need something a little stronger than that. Did you hear what was just said that the bullet entered just beneath Markell's jawline? Now, let's think this through. So he's driving on the left side of his vehicle. So it would have been the left jawline just below it and rips through his face and neck. And he lived. He lived. He was trying to talk, say something to the neighbor.

And his head was moving around. What happened? And how long could he have endured that before he died? So the gunshot wound of entrance going under his left. jaw line would be you'd have in this area of your neck, the crotid artery, the jugular vein, but if it's a little anterior, it may miss those, then continue through into the midsection of his neck, which would hit his trachea, his thyroid, and then continue out the right side of his neck, again, possibly hitting the jugular and carotid. If those two vessels are hit,

he's going to survive for minutes. If those two vessels are not hit, he's going to sit there, inhaling blood through his damaged trachea, unable to speak, because the area could involve his vocal cords, and then sucking in blood, and he could survive for quite a while with that injury. But if it hits the major vessels, he's going to die in the mess. Okay, wait a minute. What did you say about sucking in blood? So if it hits the trachea area, it'll cause blood to go into the airway or mainstem bronchus, and you'll be sucking in that blood, kind of gasping in the blood,

not able to talk, but just making a noise because your vocal cords are damaged, but you're sucking in the blood. Dr. Kendall Crowns, do you know what you're saying? Do you ever think about it? I mean, when I think about Markell, I immediately think about as two boys. Because one day, whenever they can mentally and emotionally take it,

they're going to find out the details about how their dad died. And they're going to have to find out that their dad was sitting in his car, had been arguing about how much he wanted to see them and be in their lives and be the primary caregiver. And then he ends up with this horrendous injury, pain beyond excruciating to the neck and the face, the head, and he's sucking in his own blood. I mean, do you ever think about what you're saying, or is this like just a clinical analysis for you? Of course, I think about what I'm saying, but the emotionality of thinking about the individual's life outside of the injuries that I see at autopsy, I try not to think about because if I get wrapped up in the emotion of all of it,

I wouldn't be able to do my job. So in a way, yes, it's very clinical. to me, you ask me a question, I will give you a clinical answer describing what's injured, not thinking about him, his family, the pain and suffering, et cetera. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. After eight days of testimony, the 12-member jury deliberated for approximately three hours before returning a guilty verdict. against Donna Adelson. She was found guilty of first-degree murder, conspiracy, and solicitation in Dan Markell's death. Adelson is the second member of her family to be found guilty in this

case. Son Charlie was convicted first. Two hired killers and a go-between, also sentenced. Donna Adelson gasped aloud as the judge read the verdict. Judge Stephen Everett told Adelson to control herself as she started to cry, instructing her to not have any more outbursts. first in front of the jury. Ruth Markell, Dan's mother, said in her impact statement that Donna Adelson is a curse. Back to the facts of the case. Tamara Demko, a very dear friend of Dan Markeld, was living in Tallahassee when Dan was murdered. Tamara, I hardly even know where to start.

But why don't we start with the day of the murder? What happened? I did not find out. about Danny being shot until he had already passed. So the 19th of July, I received an email from a law school friend that said, I just heard what happened to Dan. Are you okay? And she knew that I was very close to Danny.

So I went to Facebook and I looked and I saw the awful news. And it was horrifying because he was shot in broad daylight before noon on the 18th at Friday. I was working two miles down the road while my dear friend was being murdered and the thought was just horrifying. It broke my heart to hear the news and it was very devastating. Tamara, I think you'll agree with me.

Women all over the world only wish their husband would take the children to school in the morning, do the school run. I happen to love it. That's my favorite part of the day. but be involved, play with the children, do something with the children, and I mean, I got lucky because my husband does, but so many women feel that it's all on them.

And here's a guy, your friend, Danny, Markell, who is fighting tooth and nail for his children. what, if anything, do you know about his battle with his wife and his in-laws over the children? I think you're absolutely right, Nancy. Danny was just so passionate for life and he was most passionate about his boys. He was a loyal friend, someone who would go out of his way to see you and to support you, and he was a blessing to everyone he met. But the boys were his life, and he would even take time out of his schedule to go meet up with the boys just for snack time.

That's the kind of dad he was. He'd also sing them to sleep at night and he would play with them. He was just a wonderful, wonderful dad. And the boys deserved and still deserved to know him and who he was. The divorce was very contentious. Boy, that's one way to put it, Tamara. I mean, because did I have those facts right? He goes, he's a professor.

It's FSU, correct? Correct? Danny Markell was a professor at FSU. Florida State University, correct. And was apparently in the academic world very well regarded. He was also devout. Because Joel Walman, I'm diverting away from Tamara, but I want her answer. Isn't it true that we find out the mother-in-law, Donna Edelson? She quit work and spent her whole life,

cultivating her three children like they were hot house plants, going to the right schools, going to the right camps over the summer, getting this award and that award and the whole shebang. And I'm not denigrating that. I'm applauding that, but isn't it true that she tried to get Wendy to bribe Danny with a million dollars to give up the children, essentially, and let them move seven or eight hours away to be close to her, the grandma. And then when that didn't work, she wanted Wendy to threaten to raise them as Catholics, yeah, and have them baptized, and they were devout Jews, thinking that would throw them over the edge. And Wendy, to her credit on that, well, ostensibly, would not do

it. Didn't that happen, Joel Waldman? Nancy, this just shows you how demented the matriarch Donna Adelson is. At the wedding. Obviously, prior to all the acrimony, Dan Markell, as he just mentioned, was becoming more and more involved in his Judaism. He really wanted a kosher wedding, and lo and behold, at the wedding itself, they pulled all the kosher food. It was something that was perplexing to the Markell family. They couldn't understand it. They had friends who were coming who would only eat kosher food. And then as things heated up, and as this divorce got more and more contentious.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Joel, wait. Isn't this, was this the big wedding with 200 guests in Boca Raton? Yes, it is. 200 plus guests. And it was in the New York Times. You know how hard it is to get your wedding? I did not try, Jackie. Don't look at me that way.

I was lucky to get it in the Macon Telegraph. Oh, and the headline was something like Grace secretly Mary's husband converts. From Baptist to Methodist, okay, converts. Anyway, something to that effect was in some paper. Long story short, it was so big it was in the New York Times. lavish. Wait, this is the first I've heard that they pull the kosher food. Who pulled the kosher food?

This is the Edelson family. They pulled the kosher food and all the guests there, you know, probably a good portion would only eat kosher food. So there goes the wedding meal for a lot of people. I bet Markell through a fit like nobody's business. Nancy? Yes. Karen Stark psychologist at Karen Stark.com.

Karen with a C. Go, Karen, go, go, go. The mother-in-law may have given them a wonderful education, but there are no good values or morality that we're talking about. They didn't seem to get that at all. What an outrageous story you have guests who can't eat. Karen, you do know there's been a murder, so let's not get too hung up on the wedding.

although I agree with you that, I mean... I know, Nancy, but you know what? The thing that really gets to me the most beside the murder are the children. Yes, I agree. Back to the children. Thank you.

Let's get the ship right. It's get out of the weeds and back on the road. And since we're so much on the road and we're out of the weeds, Joel Waldman, isn't it also true that there's a third sibling? You've got Wendy, who was married to the murder victim and to this day, everyone insists she knew nothing about the plot by her mother and brother to kill him. You got Wendy, you got the brother Charlie, who's convicted of hiring a hitman to kill his brother-in-law,

and you've got a third sibling that was in love with an Indian girl who was Hindu, and the parents, the Edelson's through such a fit, he broke off, married someone that they would accept. That marriage fell apart after a couple of years, and he went back. to his original first love and they're together today. Is that right, Joel Waldman? That is 100% correct. There is just such thick irony here.

I have to say this because the podcast is called surviving the survivor because my dear mother is a Holocaust survivor and this Jewish grandmother, Donna Adelson, at one point, threatened to have her own Jewish grandchildren marched down the streets in Nazi uniforms. Dan Markell was too Jewish, Dan Markell was too Jewish, but Rob Aedelson marrying a non-Jewish woman, she was just beside herself. So they dug their noses into that relationship insisted that Rob Aadelson, the now estranged son of the Adelson family, marry a Jewish woman. He did for a short time. He was not in love.

And then later he reconnects with this Indian doctor, this woman, and now he is happily married and completely disconnected from the Aedelson family. Dave Arenberg, I'm having a hard time believing what I'm hearing. Yeah, it is, uh, Joel is 100% correct. They are not going to win parents of the year. There was an article that came out from a supporter of the Aidelsons, which was a little suspicious because of the timing. It looks like perhaps it was from a paid supporter.

Someone who said he's known the Aetlesons forever and they would never do something. like this, they must be innocent, but then it was revealed that the author of the piece hadn't spoken to the Ailsons in 25 plus years, hadn't seen them in more than 25 years. So they don't have a lot of defenders right now, Nancy. And the big question is Donna is guilty, what's the next shoot-of-all? Because I don't think prosecutors will be done there. You mean you believe prosecutors are going to go after the father-in-law, Harvey Aidelson, who was with Donna Adelson on his way to Vietnam, didn't he go, hey, why are we going to

Vietnam? I mean, or why do we have a one-way ticket to Vietnam? We're not coming home? Yeah, you know what that is. Yeah, there's that. And several of the phone calls that are under suspicion, of course the feds got in on this. Guys, we cannot sign off without talking about the bump, okay, which I'll get to. But his phone, Harvey Adelson's phone, took a lot of lot of the phone calls around the time of the murder. But you know what, let's bring it home. Let's bring it home just a moment. Let's take a listen to our cut to the 911 called. Listen to this. Okay. What's going on with him? I don't know. The driver's side window is all bashed in and he's got blood all over his head. To Tamara Demko, she is a doctor. She is a JD. She is an RN. She's

a Harvard Law School classmate with Danny Markell. She's known since 1997, was at work a few blocks away when Danny was murdered. When I think of this, I know he was brilliant. I know he's a Harvard law grad. I know he's a law professor, wrote all sorts of very impressive works of legal acuity. I know that. But a dad. so involved, so full of life, it's very hard for me to take in that his own in-laws would have him killed. Very hard for me to wrap my mind around that too. I actually grew up in the same town as the Edelson's, my family's home from a mile away from their home, and I guest lectured for Wendy Edelson and her law school classes. It was really something that I did not want to consider

is a possibility and it's heartbreaking in and of itself. Tamara, of course, you were not on Charlie Adelson's jury, the maestro, but now that you were seeing the evidence unfold, what do you think? I think that there was a very concerted effort and a long time planning. I believe the Adelson's are planners. I'm very grateful for everyone who's worked hard for justice in this case, and I firmly believe and hope that justice will continue to happen and will continue to seek it to the point where everyone involved is held accountable and that a callous disregard for life and the cold

calculation of the murder is not something that a self-serving, this kind of self-serving premeditated and heinous act should never be viewed as inconsequential and repeated by anyone. And that's the kind of justice that I'm looking for. Tamara Demko joining us, did you know Donna Adelson, the mother-in-law? I had been to their home in Coral Springs. I had also been to Wendy's Home on Aqua Ridge, and yes, I've met Donna several times. I've had drinks with her. I've had dinner. I've gone to high holiday services with the family as well. Can you just tell me what she is like, what Harvey Adelson is like, what Charlie Adelson is like?

There are people, even when confronted with the evidence, and it's pretty strong evidence, including $56,000 in cash, put in the go-between account, Charlie Adelson's girlfriend, who hired her, who arranged for her common-law husband and his friend to do the hit. her account gets all this money poured into it, the hitmen get money, and Charlie Adel said, hey, Dave Ehrenberg and Joel Walman, jump in if I've got this wrong. There are a lot of meticulous facts in this case, but Charlie Adelson had a habit. He, whenever dealing with cash, would staple the money together. I've never seen that in my life. And they would get cash stapled together.

Is that right, Dave Aaronberg? That is correct. It's like a fingerprint. That was a unique thing that only Charlie did. And for the defense lawyers, they had a problem. How do you explain that the killers had in their possession these stapled stacks of bills? How do you explain that?

Well, Charlie, I think that he built his defense around that where he tried to explain it by saying that he was the victim of an extortion plot. And that's why he had to pay the killers or else they would kill him and his family. Of course, it didn't make any sense. Well, then how come he's still alive? Well, and that's like, and also, it's not how extortion works where the killers go and first murder your enemy. And then they come back and they say, okay, we've killed your enemy.

Now we're going to kill you in your family unless you pay up. Why not just skip ahead to just say, pay us or we're going to kill you in your family. So none of this made any sense. He hated Dan Markell. Correct. Charlie Adelson hated Dan Markel. So that theory is completely bass-acwards. Exactly.

It made no sense, and the jurors didn't buy it either. Tamara Demko, back to you, I was asking you, what were the Edelson's like, specifically Donna? Donna seemed like an involved and loving mom. She was great to have chit-chat conversations with, And she was very proud of her children, very much involved with the grandchildren as well. I think from the surface level, they seemed like a normal family. If you were to go to their home in Coral Springs, there were pictures up on the wall of the kids.

She spent a lot of time supporting Wendy. There was nothing abnormal on the surface. I would say that Harvey always came across as a little bit more quiet, but certainly friendly. And Charlie was very lively. He was always on the go and enjoyed partying quite a bit. Dave Ehrenberg joining us, Palm Beach County State Attorney and Friend of Danny Markell. He has been read Charlie. Charlie Edelson has been referred to as thinking he was James Bond, but in fact he's a periodontist.

What does that mean? Well, I'm from South Florida, and as Joel and Tamaric would say, that's not that uncommon. He loved the fast life with his Ferrari and his fast women and his clubbing lifestyle and drugs. And he was well known that he was involved with steroids. And here was a guy who was a nerd back in high school who then became this wealthy, flashy, fast-living guy who thought that he could get away with murder. and that's a kind of person who would commit this kind of crime because people said, why do you think you could get away with it? Well, when you're hopped up on steroids and you think that you're smarter than everyone else,

yeah, you think you're above the law and you wouldn't get caught. And it took nine plus years for there to be justice for Charlie. And the FBI. God bless the FBI. God bless them. Look, I wasn't fed for three years. I hate the federal government. Except the IRS. I love you. Please don't look at me.

Joel Waldman, could you please explain what I'm talking about as the bump? Charlie Adelson would never have been convicted are murdering his brother-in-law over visitation with grandma. And Donna Aylson would not be in a jail cell up in her 70s trying to flee to Vietnam. right now, if it hadn't been for wiretaps and surreptitious recordings, one of the most amazing ones that actually worked Joel Waldman, and I'm going to hear from Robert Crispin, and Dr. Gorniak, a renowned forensic pathologist, I want to circle back to Dr. Gorniak on what Danny Markell experienced, because when the neighbor came up, he was still rolling his head around and moving, which in my mind means he was suffering after he was shot.

Joel Waldman, as it's called the bump. If Adelson's had kept their traps shut, they wouldn't be in jail right now. Tell me about the bump, as it is called. So the bump is now an infamous FBI sting. So the feds got involved once this case started to move, and they thought that the Adelson's were possibly involved. So it's interesting you bring it up. I just did a tour for my podcast of the location where the bump happened.

And it happened to take place right in front of where the Ailsons were living. And it's an iconic. The icon. The icon, yes. Yes. And it's a very lavish building. I think units start around $2 million. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

The icon condo building, the unit started at $2 million. That is correct, Nancy. welcome to Miami. Yes. And it's interesting. This tour I did, I was curious to see these different spots. So I also went by Charlie Adelson's house. Wait a minute. Did you video that? I did. It's on my website on the YouTube channel. Oh, so we can see. I can't wait to see this. Okay, go ahead. Yeah. So Charlie's house is nothing like what you would expect. It's sort of a run-down home right off the highway. And keep in mind, this is a guy who in court admitted that he was making $3.5 million a year between 2014 and 2018.

So that goes back to the James Bond question, because that is not really the salary of the periodontist, but we do know through these wiretaps that he was illicitly dealing steroids as well. But back to the bumps. So this bump happened right in front of this icon building in South Beach. It's a beautiful area. You can literally, this is what's so sad, you can literally take a stone from where the bump happened and throw it

and it hit the school that the two, Markell children attended. And Donna was on her way to pick up her grandchildren. You mean after they killed Danny Markell and move the children down to South Florida, right? That's where they're going to school. And change their name from Markell to Edelson. So these two young boys are going to have a lot, a lot. And Nancy, I know you know this firsthand, a lot of grieving to deal with and a lot of, you know,

understanding about what happened to their family as they become these young teens that they are now. Not only changed their last name from Markell back to Edelson, the maiden name of the mom, but took away the oldest son's middle name, which had been the Hebrew name of Dan Markell's grandma, right? So all trace of Dan Markel has been removed from their life. Yeah, it's, it's difficult to process. It really is. So this, you know, this bump happened literally across the street from the school that they were attending at the time. And ultimately, when they got the you know that video and audio there's no doubt that that is you know a big piece of evidence that influenced jurors and then there's one other piece of

audio from a restaurant the so-called Dolce Vita tapes that have the middle woman Katie McBanawa and Charlie Adelson talking so it's a combination of this crime stories with Nancy Grace Donna Adelson's attorney portrayed the accused murderous mother-in-law as a woman who became too involved in her daughter's divorce, and that led to insults and name-calling in so many emails between family members. But she said that did not make her a murderer. It was not proof. Jurors heard from Adelson's oldest son, Dr. Robert Adelson, an ear, nose and throat specialist. The mother and son are estranged. He described his mother as control. and said she hated Dan Markell. Adelson 75 did not take the witness stand in her own defense. After the guilty verdict was read,

Adelson shouted, oh my God, breaking down in tears. The judge admonished Adelson to control herself, then ordered the jury out, giving Adelson a two-minute break to collect herself. This is the trial of the monster-in-law, the suspect who ordered the hit, according to prosecutors, to murder her son-in-law because he would not let his children move

eight hours away to live by her. Wow, I wonder why. After trying to bribe him for a million dollars, threatened to indoctrinate the boys in another religion, a plot unfolds. I haven't even gotten to all the wiretaps. You know what? You're going to totally wig when you hear this, but let's take it step by step because it can get complicated. Listen, Charlie Adelson, brother of Wendy Adelts, uses his girlfriend, Catherine McBanawa, to arrange a murder for hire using the father of her two children, Siegfredo Garcia, and his friend, Louis Rivera, to kill Dan Markell.

The end result, that Wendy Adelson can move her two children to South Florida near her family, exactly what happened when Dan Markell was killed. What happened when you got to the driveway of Dan Markell? I pulled that right behind him. and Garcia jumped out and shot him. How many times did Garcia shoot Mr. Markell? Cold blood. Cold blood.

Gigi McElvey, joining us, investigative journalist, star of Pretty Lies and Alibis Podcast. Gigi's been on the case from the very, very beginning. Gigi, cold, what? I mean, he just rattled it off. How many times you shoot him? Twice? He doesn't care about the children.

He doesn't care about Mark. kills the family, devastated family. Twice. Okay, forget about that. Let me talk to you about the plot. Let me understand. Wendy Adelson, the mother of the children, the one that got the divorce, the lawyer, Wendy Adelson's brother, he decides to intervene and he gets his girlfriend, Catherine Magbwana, to arrange a hit. And the hit men are the father of her children, Siegfriedo Garcia, and his friend Luis Rivera. Okay, there is Catherine Magbanua and the father of her children, Sigfredo Garcia, and his buddy Luis Rivera. Okay, tell me how that whole thing went down, Gigi, and isn't it quite the coincidence? Isn't it odd that everybody

around Wendy Adelson is dropping like flies? Now her mother is on trial, but she is unscathed, neither a person of interest or suspect. Tell me how this whole thing went down with the girlfriend, with Charlie Adelson's girlfriend. Man, she must have been a piece of work, because when I think of hitman, I don't think, hey, I'll ask my husband to get some of his low-life friends to pull off a hit. You know, they're not all nice and priests and virgins, G.G. Birds of a feather. You know the rest. So he thinks his girlfriend can arrange a murder. And guess what she does? Yeah. I mean, that's essentially what happened. And it was pretty soon after they started seeing each other at a Halloween party where they're getting in their car to leave. And he just asked her,

hey, do you know anybody that would hurt somebody? And she said yes and left it there. And it wasn't until later on when the relocation was was a big issue with Donna. And we're going to hear that on these wiretap calls as this trial progresses. It was getting fever pitch. I don't think Charlie cared where Wendy and the boys lived. He's a playboy making millions of dollars every year. But it was important to Donna. And as time went on and Donna got more frantic and more obsessed with the location issue. He finally went to her and said, we need to get this done. That is when she went to her baby daddy, Siegfredo Garcia, and proposed, would you like to make some money to take care of somebody? And he said yes. After that, he got his childhood friend Luis Rivera, who was

the leader of the Miami sector of the Latin Kings, to come along as a ride-along, essentially. and that's where the plot started. So, Charlie Adelson, aka the maestro, who is Wendy Adelson. Oh, there he is. What a fine figure of a man. Vanity plate, maestro, okay, whatever. So how is he making so much money, hand over fist, Gigi,

how much money are we talking about? What did he do for a living? He's a periodontist. That's a dental surgeon. Harvey, the father, was only a dentist and owned the Adelson Institute, which is their family dental practice. But Charlie would also travel around South Florida and do day work at these other dental offices, and he got paid a lot of money.

Also, the family preferred cash payments as opposed to credit card payments. Charlie was notorious for having a safe with stacks of hundreds of bills in there. But Charlie, yeah, he was driving. around supercars he had a boat throwing money out left and right and he had what do you mean my supercar the last thing I want is a man pulling up in an expensive car I mean a guy pulls up in a Lamborghini I'm like bye bye you know what that means to me that means he's having a midlife crisis or he feels like he's got to have a really expensive car to impress people because obviously his personality and intellect, don't cut it. So, not interested. My husband drives a beat-up

SUV. Beat up. Totally beat up. And he doesn't care. That's what I like about him. So this guy, what kind of car is a supercar? Charlie Adelson. I believe he had a Lamborghini, if I recall correctly. Oh, dear Lord of Navid. It must have been why I said Lamborghini. Oh, I can just see him driving up down the strip in Miami and his Lamborghini and maestro on his vanity. So who's Dr. Boobner, B-O-O-B-N-E-R? Who, Dave Mac, who's Dr. Boobner? I noticed that you, Dave Mack, keep talking about Dr. Boobner. And I'm wondering why.

You just love to say Boobner. Who is that? You know, Dr. Boobner is a Miami doctor who is a breast. augmentation specialist and he refers to himself first as Dr. Boobner and then of course his patients are so happy with the results that they in turn call him Dr. Boogner and uh okay great what does he have to do with this case he's like the missing link in um in the Dan Markell uh murder mystery if you want to call it that the prosecutors that were investigating the case they actually were able to tie in Dr. Boobner between Catherine McBanawa and Charlie Adelson

and that he did Catherine McBanawa's breast augmentation surgery as part of the payment she got from Charlie Adelson for helping to pull together. Oh, my star's wait. Stop, stop, stop, stop, stop. Please speak no more. Are you hearing this Fattis? I assume Faddis, you've seen the series of Moody who's called the Apple Dumpling Gang. Okay, he's got Don Nott's and others in it. Yeah, you need to see that. It's a Disney movie. I showed it to the children.

But I think the title says it all. So the go-between Catherine McBanois, who set up the hit for Charlie Edelson, for his mother, the monster-in-law, got paid with a breast, lift, implants. I'm so happy right now because that's not hard to trace, right? He paid her with knee breasts, A and B. Right, right, Nancy. But the key there is Charlie paid her. Charlie paid her. Not Donna. It's not Donna fronting the bill for these new press. And so what we're talking about is certainly this, you know, cohort of folks who are conspiring with one another. And then we have Donna Adelson, who, according to the fence, is just kind of a protective grandma, protective mother.

The one that tried the million-dollar bribe? Okay, wait, whoa, whoa, wait. Did you not hear, um, you need to turn up your hearing aids? Did you not hear Gigi McKelvey just say, Charlie Adelson didn't give a flying fig where those boys lived? He only did it because his mother drove him insane to do it. He doesn't care. He didn't have a dog of that fight, no skin in the game.

He did it because his mother would not. leave him alone. He didn't care about the boys. But to say that that caused this murder for higher plot is a logical leap that I'm not sure the evidence has supported yet. And so, you know, I just think that's a bit of a stretch. The prosecution, they've already got their pound of flesh with the four other convictions and in defense is saying, hey, leave this. Oh, no, no, wait. Okay, wait a minute. You're talking about the conviction of the brother, the playboy Lamborghini brother, a.k.a. Maestro. The girlfriend with the breastlift, Catherine Magbanwa, the hitman, and his gang cohort. Those four have been convicted. None of them care about where the boys live.

The only one that cares is Donna Adelson. Catherine McBanwaugh testifies under oath about how Charlie Adelson couldn't take a link without mommy saying, okay, you can go. So this was like a regular part of the way this worked whenever this conversation came up. Yes, ma'am. He would consult his mother and come back and speak to you. Investigators use an undercover agent to make contact with Donna Adelson. The agent hands Donna Adelson a press release of Markell's murder,

asks Adelson for $5,000 and provides a phone number. Investigators intercept a call Donna Adelson, make. to Charlie asking him to meet with her about paperwork hand delivered to her outsider condo. Charlie asks if it involves him and Donna says probably both of us. Donna says she doesn't want to discuss this on the phone. Investigators continue to intercept calls. This time Charlie tells mom not to talk about things in the apartment. Edelson asks his mother what the letter asked for. Donna says this TV is probably about five. Charlie asked if they asked for $5,000.

dollars. Donna Adelson responds affirmatively. Adelson calls Catherine McBanawa and explains someone approached his mother regarding her son and his ex-girlfriend and asking for money. Investigators record Adelson saying to Magbanawa, my mom doesn't know these guys. He says paying someone off is not an admission of guilt. Conversations continue between Charlie Adelson, Donna Adelson, Catherine McBanawa, and Siegfredo Garcia, all monitored by investigators. You know, Eric Fattis' worst nightmare is a wiretap. Hey, or an undercover agent. Eric Fattis, did you hear that?

An undercover agent approaches Adelson on the street. He's got a press release or an article about Markell's murder and says, hey, you owe me $5,000. I have info on you and your son. What does she do? She doesn't call police. She calls her son and goes, Don't talk on the phone.

And it makes us some crazy jargon to tell him a bribe of $5,000 she's just been put to her. And they go, when somebody says, don't talk on the phone, you know it's something bad. Or don't put it in writing. Uh-uh. You don't want to leave a trail. And that's what she says. Well, hey, what it could be, it sounds a little bit like entrapment. It sounds a little bit like government overreach.

It sounds a little bit like Charlie Adelson was involved in some misdeeds. and the government's trying to rope in somebody who did not have any direct involvement. Look, the mother may have known that Charlie Adelson did what he did and may have wanted to talk with him about that. None of that is criminal. And the fact that she says, oh, it involves both of us. Well, she's the one who received the document and received the bump, which was this surreptitious encounter. And so, hey, look, you know, calling your son to talk about it is not a crime. You know what?

When you say things like Ron Bates, Come on, you know, let's school Eric Fattis if it's possible. Bateman, former sheriff, author, homicide, undercover, you name it, Bateman. When I hear the words, don't talk on the phone or don't talk in the apartment. Why not talk in your apartment? If some guy, I don't know, literally bumps into me on the street and tries to extract five grand from me, I'm calling police but neither one of them

called police. In fact, they don't talk on the phone. All that started. Let me talk about that for one second. I've been in those positions. I have been the undercover guy. I have been the hit guy for a relationship that went bad and I was the guy on the phone

doing the undercover call in this case with a wife and it is so funny and I'm being undercover narcotic detector for a long time. and gotten to this role as a hitman. People always talk on the phone. They try to talk in code,

and I was talking in code to this one particular lady. It's just so funny. They're not as diabolical with their planning of a murder like people think they should be. I had Maryland's first life without parole case ever happened, and it was a contract murder involving a wife and a husband, a totally different case where I was the undercover hitman. But again, it's just so funny how just things just crumpled down.

And the worst thing that you can have in any kind of crime is another person. And if there's another person, which in this case, there are several, they'll all turn on each other, which obviously in this case they have. What I call, in this case, and I don't know if I've coined this, it's my own thing or not, but it's relationship terrorism, like that bomb that was dropped on the husband before he went for this. speaking engagement. And then these guys here, Garcia and Rivera, I mean, come on. You think there's no ring cameras

across the street or at the front of the house? I mean, come on. It's just, it's so And now it culminates from the hitman to the breastlift as payment for setting up the hit, to the

son, the brother, Charlie Edelson, to the mother Donna Edelson. Now, the only one unscathed is Wendy Adelson. And all of this, according to prosecutors, was for her. She says she knew nothing of it. And speaking of Donna Adelson, she came this close, this close to getting out of the country and going to a non-extradition jurisdiction specifically Vietnam caught at the airport listen it was his idea and sweetheart let's go just get away we're just get away somewhere so we could have some time to think okay so your testimony is that you weren't trying to go to

Vietnam because you wouldn't be able to be extradited from there so so my husband actually had said you know we've been to Vietnam before with friends, we were on vacation, and it really was like a place of peace. And so he said, if we go to a non-extraditioned country, then if the law enforcement decided that they wanted to arrest you or me, whatever, both, he said, then he said, we won't be sitting in a foreign prison waiting months to go back. We could buy a ticket and we can go home. And my understanding was that I could go home and I could turn myself in if that's what they wanted.

Yeah, that's how it typically does not work. You go to a non-extradition country and then when the cops want to arrest you, you just come home. Okay, that is what we call in the law flight as evidence of guilt. You leave the scene of the crime or you leave before. you can get caught. Everyone is wondering what else was heard on those tapped phone calls to Gigi McKelvey. We have been listening to Ellie on the stand now going on two days. What did they say?

They pretty much went through a couple of calls initially about Wendy. And I think what the prosecution was trying to do was show that Donna was completely. about relationships and jobs that Wendy had chosen. And she was having Charlie do her bidding for her. You need to talk to your sister, talk her out of this. You need to talk her into this. So I think the first couple of calls, that's what that was for. Then we get into those bump calls that we've been talking about where there's panic.

You know, Donna's not wanting to say much. Charlie notoriously repeats himself in these wiretap calls. But it's what we're hearing is the absence of the question, which ex-girlfriend, what is $5,000? Why is this random guy handing me some article about Dan on the street? What is going on? No police called, nothing at all except that phone call right after. To Charlie, we need to have dinner. This involves the two of us.

The TV was about five. and they have determined over the course of these wiretaps, TV is code for murder. Jeffrey LaCasse was dating Wendy Adelson around the time of Dan's murder and says he felt like he was being framed as the possible killer. LeCast says Wendy pushed for details about an upcoming trip to Atlanta on July 18th when he was leaving direction of travel. Turns out the killers rented a car similar in color and style to Lacass's gray Nissan Centra and travel in the same direction as LaCasse. as they head out of town. He also notes he had plans to travel that route the same morning in June 2014

that the hitman arrived in Tallahassee during their first attempt to kill Markell. Gigi McHalvey joining us investigative journalist. So Wendy Adelson's boyfriend thought her family, including her, was trying to set him up to take the fall for the murder? Absolutely. And he told a story that was.

would support that. He and Wendy actually were on a break at her request. She had just got back from a 10 weeks day in Miami and they met up and she said, look, you know, I really just want some days alone. And this is at the time that the actual murder happened. They met up one last time. And as they're going to their car, she turns and asks him about his trip that was happening the next day. Hey, what would cause you not to go on your trip? Which way are you going? And he thought it was odd. And so he goes on about his day and come to find out both times, the first attempt that happened in June that law enforcement did not know about, in fact, until Luis Rivera told

them in his proffer, they rented a car very similar to Jeff Lacasse's. And I don't think it's much of a coincidence that on two separate trips in two separate months, when the killers are in town, that's when Jeff LaCasse scheduled to go out. he would have taken a route that would have went very near Dan Markell's house about the same time that the two hitmen would have been fleeing the area after the shooting. I absolutely think they tried to set Jeff up because it would be easy. He disliked Dan because he adopted the Edelson way of thinking about Dan at the time he was with Wendy.

That's what you do sometimes when you're in relationship. So it could have been the perfect storm for him, but thank goodness he was able to prove very easy. other than brainwashing the boyfriend, Dave Mack, I'm interested. I'm curious about a conversation, according to the boyfriend Jeffrey Lacasse. He says, Wendy Adelson, the mom of the boys, Dan Markell's wife that wanted the divorce and moved the boys away. Wendy Adelson, according to Lacass says, and I'm reading it verbatim, Can I tell you something confidentially? Last summer, my brother looked into all options possible to take care of the Danny Markell problem,

including hiring a hitman, and it would cost about $15,000. Okay? Then there was a question, is this some kind of joke? Charlie made. And the boyfriend says, This was no joke. Jeff LaCasse actually has already testified, Nancy, and he broke this all out. Georgia Kaplanman, one of the prosecutors, actually was able to bring this out of him.

And she even went back to, was this a joke kind of like how Charlie blew off the TV as a divorce president kind of thing as a joke? And he was like, no, this is not a joke. Because think about it. In context, Nancy, you've got Wendy Adel's. and volunteering that Charlie came up with a plan and it would cost 15 grand. That's beyond joking. That's not an off-handed comment. That is a very firm, I've got to get this off my chest kind of thing.

And she did. You know what? And I don't care how angry I get at my husband. If someone said, hey, I'm going to give you a TV as a divorce present. It's cheaper than a hitman. They would get a total knuckle sandwich. Okay. But according to what the boyfriend says, this was no joke.

And let me remind everyone, Wendy Adelson has not been charged. She is not a person of interest in the murder of Dan Markell. Everyone in our country is innocent. They are presumed innocent until and unless the state pierces that presumption of innocence with guilt to prove the incident actually happened, and the defendant is guilty. Wendy Adelson, as of tonight, has not been charged as a suspect or person of interest in this case, and we wait as justice unfolds for the so-called monster-in-law, Donna Adelson. Nancy Grace, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast.