Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Hayden Panettiere Fatal Drugs Labeled "Brian," Damning Texts Revealed

Episode Date: September 15, 2026

Toxicology reports on Hayden Panettiere's death are still pending, but sources say the actress died after taking one Oxycodone pill laced with Fentanyl.  The investigation has turned bi-coastal as the Feds look closely at drug related text messages between Hayden and someone who may have been supplying her with drugs.  California neighbors report regularly seeing three people at Hayden's home, just long enough to drop off packages, suspected to be drug dealers. We know that Hayden's Los Angeles home was searched by federal drug agents shortly after her death, reportedly looking for evidence linking the the reported fatal pill that killed her to a possible drug dealer.   Joining Nancy Grace today: Randolph Rice  -  Former Prosecutor and Current Criminal Defense & Civil Attorney at Rice Law, website: ricelawmd.com, IG, FB, X: @ricelawmd Robert Crispin -  Private Investigator “Crispin Special Investigations”, Former Federal Task Force Officer for the United States Department of Justice, DEA and Miami Field Division. Former Homicide Detective and Crimes against children investigator with Coconut Creek Police Dep. in Florida. Former SWAT officer. CrispinInvestigations.com, Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations Inc.  Dr. Bethany Marshall  -  Psychoanalyst, featured on the hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock and "The Valley, Persian Style" on Bravo.   Host of a new podcast "On The Couch with Dr. Bethany Marshall," Website: drbethanymarshall.com, Instagram FB & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter:@DrBethanyLive Dr William Morrone - Medical Examiner, Toxicologist, Pathologist, opioid treatment expert, Author: “American Narcan”  Dr. Jim Jones -  Cyber security and digital forensics expert, digital forensics program director and associate professor, George Mason University   Dave Mack (AL) Investigative Reporter, "Crime Stories" See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Visit bell.ca for more details and to check availability. Bell, connection is everything. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace TV and movie star Hayden Panette's Fatal drugs labeled Brian Let that sink in bags of drugs

Like Chipotle puts your name on it when you go pick it up bags of drugs delivered Like pizza like Chinese food to Hayden Panetteer allegedly labeled Brian. This as Hayden Panetteur is on off again boyfriend Brian Hickerson being grilled by the DEA. What a coincidence.

And tonight, damning text revealed. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Yeah, Hayden Panetteer is. a child actress who went on to great success. She detailed her substance abuse issues.

Sadly, Hayden was found unresponsive on Sunday in an apartment in Greenville, South Carolina. She really told the world who she was beyond the superstar, the actress, that we all thought we loved. By the time I was five, I was on a soap opera by four years old, and it said just never, it never stopped. And it was, it was, it was, Every moment on set, I didn't care about anybody else's opinion but my mom's.

Because I knew that if she was unhappy with my performance in any way, that the rest of the day was going to be ruined. Yes. It was going to be a very bad day. From our friends at CBS, damning text revealed tonight, are the dope dealers and the recipients that stupid that they think we're not going to look? at texts in black and white has nobody ever heard. If you don't want it on page six and the New York Post, don't put it in writing. Are they really that dumb? Apparently, they are. This, as we are learning tonight, that drugs were delivered, possibly the poisonous drug, delivered to Hayden Panette here, like pizza and Chinese food in bags labeled Brian. Joining me an all-star panel to make sense

of what we are learning tonight. We are also learning that this investigation has developed into a cross-country investigation involving the feds, particularly the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Agency. Straight out to Dave Matt, Crime Stories, investigative reporter, what can you tell me about bags of drugs

being delivered to Hayden Panettiers, Hollywood Hills home? Were they paper bags, or were they so boldest to hold up plastic, bags where you could see the drugs. I mean, let's go with paper bags. But we do know that eyewitnesses state they were labeled Brian and the boyfriend, Brian Hickerson, grilled by the DEA.

What do you know? All right, Nancy, actually, everything you just said is accurate. Between 2021 and 2026 August, the neighbors of Hayden Panettiere in her West Hollywood condo So notice two women in their early 20s and one man in his mid-30s showing up regularly with bags. They would stop and deliver it. Not together, by the way, all separate, but the same three people. And they would deliver bags to Hayden. They'd knock on the door.

She'd grab the bag and go back in. In the last week, we're talking the days before Hayden died. The drug dealer or the guy that they recognized as the person who was regularly there bringing bags, shut up with the bag. This one had Brian written on the bag and delivered that to Hayden's door. That was in the days before the cross-country flight. Hey, look at that. Dave. Hold on. Hold on. I just want you to look at that. That's what we're talking about. The deliveries to Hayden Panetteers West Hollywood Home. It's beautiful, right? This is from our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ. He went by and got the snap. Look at it. It's beautiful. A contempt.

surrounded by these beautiful, apparently Japanese magnolias. Gorgeous, right? You know what, Dr. Bethany? I'll come right back to you, Dave Mack. It's so misleading. This is your neck of the woods. Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us there in L.A. Beautiful on the outside, a hellhole on the inside.

And I don't mean the beautiful furnishings or the thick carpets or the Persian rugs. I'm talking about what's going. on the drugs delivered like an effing pizza. Illegal drugs and now she's dead. You know, Nancy? Everyone enabling her. Everybody enabling her. And you know why? She was under the control, allegedly of Brian Hickerson and money and power and greed. When there's a celebrity, everybody gathers around and gives them whatever they want or they push what they don't what Nancy, I've driven by that building so many times.

It is gorgeous. It's near the Beverly Center. It's near a design center. It's near all these Michelin rated restaurants. It is a gorgeous, gorgeous community. It's near Melrose with all these beautiful shops. But you would never know driving by that you have a child star who's learned that her self-esteem rises and falls on the smiles and

frowns of others because that's how she was made to feel growing up, who now has all these hangers on, who not only get her out to do things she doesn't want to do, but they deliver the poison straight to her. And you know what's underneath it? Again, Nancy, as I said earlier, power, money, and control. If they render her helpless and addicted, they can get whatever they want from her.

We know that the Los Angeles unit of the DEA is taking a hard look at this drug dealer, and charges could be filed. if they can link the drug that Hayden took to the death and whether the drug was laced with fentanyl. Now, the caution here is that the toxicology results have not come in. That's Harvey 11 over at TMZ. Now we know why the DEA is involved.

You were earlier hearing from Dr. Bethany Marshall. Dr. Bethany, you were discussing the dichotomy of how you drive by and see her beautiful home, and I believe you said, the Michelin Star, I believe you said the Michelin Starred restaurants and the beautiful landscaping while there's a hellhole going on inside. Now, we just heard Harvey accurately. Harvey's not a talking head. He's also a lawyer.

Bethany, you heard Harvey talking about the drug dealer. But hold on. It's not just the drug dealer and Hayden Paneteer. It's all of her circle. those bags according to eyewitnesses and he just heard Dave Mac corroborating it had the name Brian on them those drugs were delivered to Brian according to the eyewitness all right the middleman just like in Matthew Perry you've got the dealer who's the ketamine queen who for all of her finery and her Gucci and her prodda she's just a pimp. She's a doper, like a doper out on the street. I don't care what she looks like or how much it cost to get her hair straightened out. She killed him. She supplied it and the assistant handed it over on a silver platter. Same thing here, according to eyewitnesses, Dr. Bethany. You know, it's true, Nancy.

And I do house calls to celebrities' homes because they don't want to go out and, uh, have to deal with the paparazzi. And what I see in their homes is that everybody wants something from them. Everybody is getting something. So the vibe in the homes is very kind of creepy and underhanded. And so when you think of these bags being delivered to Brian, why would he procure drugs for her? Not just because of an alleged addiction, Nancy.

It's because if he re-addicts her, then he can continue to to control her. If he can control her, he can get her money. Remember, she paid him to be her assistant for many years. He was on the payroll, Nancy. And so this is a little bit like a pimp kind of sex trafficking somebody out, that they will do whatever it takes to keep the victim helpless so they can profit from them in some way.

And that's what I see here. But probably what we're going to see is that there are multiple profit in some way she was his meal ticket he might as well a punch to clock like I used to do at Sears and Robot before I could go out on the floor that was his meal ticket

he was leaching and living off her and I don't want to even hear Randolph Rice Randolph Rice joining us and yes I'm angry people say why don't you smile I'm not smiling because Hayden Panetteer and so many like her are dead because

someone supplied her poison pears which Dr. Moroney is going to explain, handed it over to an enabler that might as well have just stuck it in her mouth and gave her a straw to suck on. Randolph Rice is a veteran trial lawyer, founder of Ricelawmd.com. Rice, I guess you're going to try and tell me how the enabler? And yeah, I'm talking about the boyfriend who is innocent tonight until proven guilty. The drugs had his name on him.

He gets him. Are you telling me, I can't prosecute him for his alleged role in this? Probably not unless you can prove that he's actually the one distributing them. Miss Panetteer could have been the one that actually ordered them, but the name on the bag does not bring in criminal liability for the boyfriend at this point in time. There has to be some sort of connection between Mr. Hickerson, getting the drugs and then either giving them, selling them to her.

Okay. You know what, Randolph, I'm going to play along with you. All right. Quick lightning round of questions to Dave Matt, crime stories investigative reporter. Connection, Brian Hickerson, aka Brian, whose name was on the bag of dope. To Hayden Paneteer.

Lightning round, that means you, you say yes or no, to the best of your ability. Okay, Dave Mack, isn't it true that Brian Hickerson, the boyfriend, was in the home when Hayden Panetteer was found unresponsive? Yes, no. Yes. Isn't it also true, Dave, Matt, that conflicting reports were given about how she was discovered dead.

One report said she was sitting in a chair. One report said that Hickerson woke up and there's a dead body next to me. How did that happen? Isn't that true? Yes. And isn't it true that there are conflicting reports about when, where, why, Narcan may have been administered to Hayden Paneteer? Isn't that true conflicting reports?

Yes. And last but not least, isn't it true that the boyfriend Brian Hickerson admits to violence on Hayden? basically said, hey, everybody does it. Pull that sound for me while I'm getting his yes, no. Hit me. Yes, no. Yes. Yes. You know what? I've got one more question. And isn't it true that Hickerson is the one that gave the bag of meds to police, Hayden's bag of meds? Yes. Thank you. Randolph Rice, what were you said? about no connection between Hickerson and Dope and Hayden Panetteer?

There has to be something more there, Nancy. And right now, if the DEA or the South Carolina Police Department thought that he somehow was supplying, then he would be in bracelets right now. He would be in jail. But they don't believe that there's a connection there between what we now are hearing is a drug dealer in Los Angeles and that flow, that evidence chain to Mr. Hickerson and then to Hayden. what I did, you know, and I just want people to know. I mean, like, people do this all the time, you know?

It's like, you think I'm the only one that did that? No, people do that all the time. I'm having flashbacks to people just like him in court. It would be speechless. That's from our friend Harvey at TMZ. Crispin, you know, I asked the rhetorical question. at the get-go? Are they that stupid

that they think they can put this in writing and text? And we won't look at the text. But I think that video right there from Harvey Levin over at Teams, he kind of answered my question. Yeah. Is he high in the video? He certainly looks like he's under the influence.

So, you know, Nancy, this is kind of like a double fold. If I can go back to why he's not in jail right now, you know, may have probable cause to arrest you, but they're not going to put you in jail yet because we need you out on the street to continue the investigation and we need you as a very important component to take this case farther. We don't know what he told the DEA, but he definitely has a problem running his mouth. So I'm going to say there's a very good possibility that the

agents who interviewed him got a plethora of information from him. So I would keep him out on the street. Okay, am I losing my mind, or did you say plethora? You mean plethora? Pleather. Thank you. That cleared it up. Okay, you know what I think? Robert, Crispin, we know when you don't know a horse, look at his track record, this guy just bleh, I guess he's never heard of the Fifth Amendment.

I think you're right. I can only pray the DEA got a tap on him because, you know, he's blabbing left and right, and it ain't all to his lawyers. anybody that will listen. Guys, this is Robert Crispin joining us, former Fed with the DOJ, former DEA agent, former vice, former homicide in Miami, never like a business there,

now runs, owns, created Crispin special investigations. So, hey, I'm, wait a say, I've got to ask Dr. Moroni something, but I'm about to be joined by an expert in extracting texts from phones. Dr. William Maroney, you know,

With your education and your experience, I hate to ask you such a rudimentary questions such as this. Moroni is a medical examiner. He's a toxicologist, a pathologist, an opioid treatment expert. He is the author of American Narcan, which is all about oxy-narcan, how to use it, how to treat people. And I've got, yes, I've got so many questions. Help me circle back to you, Dr. Moroney, about how I can tell whether Hayden Panetteer was administered Narcan before her death or post-immortem when it would still be attached up here in the nose but not in the body. But in your world, you know, you got that traveling van that you take everywhere, that huge mobile unit treating opioid victims. Is this guy high?

Because he sure sounds like he is. Not only is he high, but he's high, and I think guys that talk out of the side of their mouth are trying to evade the truth. That's a body language thing I've picked up on. Hi, and there's no validity. The long loading times, the glitchy video calls. That's your house asking for better internet. Switch to Bell Pure Fiber, Canada's most reliable internet awarded by, Open Signal from $75 a month.

Price guaranteed for two years on a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.ca for more details and to check availability. Bell, connection is everything. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, Dr. Moroni, when we were doing a live chat during the program and somebody said, who is this guy talking about Oxy? and I wrote back as quickly as I could. He's a world-renowned expert that wrote the book on it.

That's who he is. But aside from your book and all of your years of experience and your education, can I just let you explain, in a nutshell, it's very small, how you and your mobile unit travel to treat oxy overdoses and educate people about oxy. Nutshell. The most important. important thing to do to prevent overdoses is to get people into treatment.

And our mobile unit has a history of treatment. When you're taking your medicine every day, you can't overdose. The second most important thing is the distribution of Narcan, but you have to give it to people who are at high risk and you can't use it on yourself once you start falling out. So we tell people, if you're going to use illegal drugs, don't use them alone so somebody can narcan you. That's the two most important things. Treatment and then prevention in that order. In rural America, we don't have the resources that you have in the cities. So you have to bring the sources, the resources, the counseling, and the medicine to rural America. And in the past,

what we've tried to do is 10 days a month. Okay. Number one, the operative word was nutshell, but because of you, we have Narcan in our home. We have Narcan because my mom, if you could see an x-ray of her back, Dr. Moroni, it looks like a capital C. She has horrible back and leg pain and she takes oxy. We're very careful. We count the pills because, you know, she's getting on to be 95. We have it in case a granny-nanny gets off count and gives her one pill too many. She can't take it.

What? Pain is all. Pain patients are also. at risk. So pain patients should have Narcan in case there's an accident there too. Crispin, isn't one of the first things you do is to try to grab the defendant or the deceased cell phone and try to look at it? A hundred percent. Absolutely. The ticket to the entire case is an electronic device, especially of this magnitude, Nancy. I just hope that the law enforcement, and I'm not shading them, I hope they were veterans that went to.

that scene and knew to grab all the devices and under the law when a crime has occurred or you think a crime may have occurred, you've got a dead body, you've got two conflicting reports about how the body was found. I would grab every device, cell phones, laptops, iPads, PlayStation, everything that was in that Lux Airbnb. Maybe you don't need it as evidence, but maybe you do. Listen, they have all those devices. Clearly they have the devices. And for all these text messages to already come out in such a short amount of time, I'm going to probably believe that Brian gave the police department her code. He probably knew her cell phone code. So once they have the code, and there's a couple different programs out there, Nancy, that could have broke that phone. Gray key being one of them. But once they get the code to that phone, then you apply for a search warrant. Once that search warrant signed, then you're going to put that phone into a second system called Selbright. Cell right is going to download all the text messages, all the documents, all the photos. And the most important thing, if you remember, they'll get all the deleted text messages.

Anything that's deleted on that phone, they're going to get. Gray key is a phenomenal program and application that allows law enforcement to plug the phone in and let it run and it's going to hammer at the phone a series of different passwords. Thousands, millions of passwords are going to go through that phone until they break it. The problem with Great Key is, and they usually ask the family, you know, what's her favorite color? What's her favorite dog? What's her favorite restaurant? Her food? A lot of these things will already get inputted to see if any of those keywords are part of her password. If they don't have it, Great Key will get it. But the only problem with Great Key is,

The fastest I think anyone's ever gotten locked into a phone, into a locked phone, was about 30 minutes. The longest was six months that I knew of. Ooh, okay, that hurts. You know what? I want to explain it in depth. You hear Crispin, who has all the street knowledge in the world about grabbing the devices, what you can use to crack the devices. Now joining us in addition to Crispin, I'll circle back with you, Dave Mac,

about the significance of the text that have now been revealed, because we're going to find out who the drug dealers were delivering the poisonous drugs to who was texting them. Was it Hayden Panetteer? Or was it one of her enablers? With us, Dr. Jim Jones out of Herndon, Virginia, cybersecurity, digital forensics expert, digital forensics program director, professor George Mason University. Dr. Jones, thank you for being with us. You know, when Crispin rattles it off like that, it sounds so easy. You just put it through gray key or celebrate.

Well, you know what? It's not always that easy. Remember the Alex Merlod case? We had to bring in the secret service to crack that phone. And if anyone used encryption, basically, technical legal term, we're screwed. Okay? So, Dr. Jones, try to talk in regular people talk. So even I can understand it.

Okay. No complicated jargon. And we just showed you a picture of a UFED, which is a universal forensic extraction device. But you don't just hook the phone into it. It's not that easy. Hit it, Dr. Jones. It can be that easy.

So if it's a short pin like a four-digit pin, and if the phone is not set to start to slow down the guesses or eventually erase itself, which is an optional setting in the phone, then it can be that easy. Often it's not. So the first step would be figure out if the phone is going to erase itself, if I put 10 bad guesses in, they won't just go and plug it in without checking that. If it is set that way, they need to pin to get to it. Physical access with a modern smartphone is not enough to get the data if it's a locked when law enforcement ceases it. There's a little bit of stuff that remains available for the locked phone, but all the stuff that we want, the legal text messages, the intact text messages, pictures, deleted and active, all that kind of stuff is going to be by default encrypted on a chip that's stored in the device. Okay, I believe I mentioned something, Dr. Jim Jones, about regular people talk, and you've already lost me. All right, hold on. I think I can recap a

to here. If there's a short pin like one, two, three, four, which believe it or not, people still use, or they leave their devices on factory setting, please stop doing that. Short pin, then it may be easier. If the phone is not set to erase the code after a certain number of false tries, you also stated physical access to the phone is not enough. And I think what you mean by that is you've got the phone in your hand and you may know the four digit pen that that's not enough to get at what dr jones well good good distinction nancy i if you have physical access to the phone and you have the pen whether it's four or six digits or biometric and you can unlock the phone then absolutely we can get to all of the data that is still there so deleted messages pictures do you

videos will stay around for a somewhat unpredictable amount of time. And so the sooner we see the phone, the sooner the phone is not creating new content, the better our chances of getting that to be deleted in the process of being deleted stuff. So with the pin and physical access, we can get it all. And that's what these devices do is you plug it in, you give it the pin, and the device will dump all of the content, deleted and action. There are certain things that you need the password to do, such as delete activity. But if you don't have a password and you pick up your phone, if you're touching the screen, that leaves a trace.

If you're trying to power it off, that leaves a trace. So we should be able to see people without a password trying to actively interact with that phone as well as someone that has it. So we would do a forensic acquisition. And that's really important here. Someone just looking in the phone, you can get a glimpse, but you can't see what's deleted and hiding below the surface. We need a forensic acquisition to do that. We can tell if it was just soft deleted, so like sitting in a trash can or a hard delete. So if you empty your trash on your phone and then you go and throw it into a dumpster and the trash is taken away, there is a log that tracks everything.

Forensics expert, Heather Barnhart. So Dr. Jones, many of us have been led to believe that everything lives forever in the cloud. but you stated that certain items deleted are only around for a certain period of time or are they floating in the cloud somewhere that can be extracted. Yeah, another great question. The answer is it depends on the settings on the phone. So on your phone, my phone, we can tell the device, hey, I immediately want to upload all of my pictures, videos, whatever, up to the cloud.

So it's safe there in case I lose my phone, my phone, destroyed my phone fails. But if I don't do that setting, the only place that that data is stored is locally on the device. If I delete that data over time, it gets overwritten. That space gets reused. You can think of it like a whiteboard, right? I don't erase the whiteboard until I need the space, but when I need space or if I'm bored, I may just go and erase my whiteboard. That's what happens. Got it. Dr. Jim Jones joining us from George Mason University. So Robert Crispin, not as easy as you made it out to be. Hey, just throwing on Graykey.

It'll spit it out. Not that easy. But isn't it true? I mean, they had to bring in a secret security service agent on the Alex Mardykeye case. You think they flew him down from D.C.? Because they wanted to? No, they needed him to crack it. But I know this is your bellywick.

I asked at the beginning, and it seemed rhetorical, but it's not. Are they that stupid? Really? That they think we're not going to look at, hey, give me 20 oxies. They need his phone, all of the enablers, everybody around her. They need her phone. And once they get to the supplier, they need their phones. Because I've got a very strong feeling that Hayden Panetteer is not the one always making those orders that turn up in bags marked Brian at the door.

So are they that stupid? You know, sadly enough and benefit to us, they are very stupid. They're addicts. They're drug dealers. They leave all their evidence on their device, and it's great for law enforcement. You know, Dave Mack, joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter, these people showing up to deliver drugs, poisonous drugs, to Hayden's paneteer. I've been described as one man,

20s and 30s, and two women. They typically did not show up together, and eyewitnesses state they saw, reportedly, the name Brian on the bag. Which made me think of, you know, when you go to Chipotle, they have all the brown bag sitting there with your name on it, and you just walk in and pick up yours, if you order. order to pick up. That's what it made me think of. It's just that common. They just deliver it like it's text mix. That said, Dave Mack, the text we're talking about, do we know where they're coming from, who they're going to? Tonight we find out they exist and they have been found and that they're damning. What more, if anything, do we know?

Nancy, what we know is that there are a slew of messages and they are between Hayden and her, well, I hate to say the drug dealer, but that's what it is. The thing is they're not being specific, they being investigators are not being specific as to what was exactly said. But we do know that you mentioned the people showing up at her door and the neighbors are saying, look, man, they showed up on a regular basis over years, not weeks, Nancy, not days, years. And it's the same three people, two young women in their early 20s, one man in his mid-30s. And in the last case, we're talking the week before she dies, the guy shows up with a bag with Brian written on it. Now, the text messages are now the centerpiece of the investigation.

The DEA is trying to break these down one by one, because as you mentioned, are they that stupid? to write out, I need 20 oxies. Well, they're not that stupid, but they have terms that are regularly used when you're buying drugs and you're texting about it. Like, they'll use for Xanax. They'll call it bars. You know, they have some bars.

For Percocet, they might say, do you have some 20s or some blues, some blue guys? They use terms like that, or with cocaine, let's say, do you have a ball, like an eight ball of cocaine, that type of thing? So they use terms like that that are specific. specific within the drug culture, not specific to UME, but Nancy police investigators do this every day. They know what every code word is, what it means, and they're tying it all together.

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Here's a great example in the Mac Miller case, an amazing musician rapper, dead. For instance, can I get some bars? Yeah, for sure, how many? Can I grab a ball? 10 blue guys and some bars? Yeah, for sure. You got a G and some blue guys? I got you.

I mean, but of course, the cops know what this means. To Dr. William Moroni. Dr. Moroni, before I go back to Crispin on Street vernacular for drugs and how it can be deciphered, could you explain how we can look at Hayden Panetteer's body and determine whether she was given any life-saving measures, I'm talking about Narcan, before or after her death? Here's what you have to see. If she was given Narcan while she was alive but had trouble breathing, then Narcan goes in the nose and it's going to get in the blood.

And the blood will tell us how much fentanyl is there, how much Narcan is there, how much oxycodone is there. But if she was dead and somebody gave her Narcan in her nose, it won't be in her blood because her heart's not pumping. That's the simplest. in a nutshell, how you're going to know whether she was dead when she got the Narcan spray or not. Would there still be residue in her nasal passages since she never inhaled it? Narcan will be in her nose, but it won't be in her blood.

Dr. William Maroney, we really look to you for guidance when it comes to this area. I'd like you to hear more about potentially one pill that killed Hayden Panetteer. One fatal pill ended the life of Hayden Panetteer. That's what we are told by multiple law enforcement sources who are involved in this case and who have direct knowledge. We are told that Hayden had a variety of black market meds, including oxycodone. Authorities believe she took at least one oxycodone pill the morning she died, and that pill, they believe, was laced with fentanyl.

Dr. Moroni, one pill, one pill. Out of that bag of assorted pills, that menagerie of poison to your body, one pill is all it took. I mean, I've covered cases and investigated cases, even breathing in fentanyl residue can kill someone. At least we see it. Police that carry Narcan carry their first spray for each other if they're in a situation where there's open fentanyl powder. If there is one pill that killed her, then it was an extremely strong pill and it's not

oxycodone laced with smaller amounts of fentanyl. it's predominantly a fentanyl pill that may look like an oxycodone. So if she's naive and she doesn't take this medicine, one pill can kill her, or if there's a lot of fentanyl in that pill. But you always have to ask, is the source of the information to law enforcement a valid source? if we're looking at somebody who's with her who said, well, I only gave her one pill. Is that person a reliable source of information?

Because there's lots of pills that were said to be around. Who's a valid source? People sometimes they tell law enforcement what they want to hear. So let's see if that's true. We will know when we see the toxicology. if that was true and if somebody was lying to us. Could you explain what is a pill press? Well, I always sometimes create pictures.

In the kitchen, sometimes we have ravioli presses or pasta presses where you put dough in and you crank it or you press it down. We have pill presses. that take powder and that powder is usually mixed up in an empty milk jug and then it's filled in the top and the pill press like a manufacturing kind of like a drill press presses powder into a hard fake pill It's a real tablet, but it's a fake oxycodone. It's a fake hydrocodone. It's a fake adorol.

That's what they're using to sell drugs because everybody knows you don't know what you're getting with a white powder. So they've rebranded and marketed this to fraudulent pills that everybody says, well, you know, I'm buying this. Nobody says I'm buying fentanyl. Everybody says I'm buying Norco. I'm buying Percocet. Nobody says I'm buying that pill and there's fentanyl in it. There's great misinformation. That pill is made in a basement.

It's made in a garage. It's made somewhere outside of the same factories that make these pills. These are legitimate. They have contents. They have instructions. these you don't know what those guys are getting right

you know how many dope houses have you busted crispin where there were pill presses like here you see it in a lab it is not like that in a crack house not at all and people

they are mobile they are small enough that you can take them anywhere but that's where dope like this is coming from a pill press. It looks like you got it at Walgreens. Yeah, well, you find them a lot on search warrants. You find kilo presses, pill presses, different ways they store it. But there's a plethora of them out there. You know, this has turned into now a cross-country investigation. I think under the umbrella of the DEA, how is that working, Chris? And we've got Carolina and L.A.

So these guys are working together hand in hand. And I'm sure the field office that's in South Carolina is hand in hand with L.A. Because this is going, like we said, national. So it's a great cooperation. The locals are going to stay involved in this because depending on what hammer is bigger, whether they take these guys state or federal, and maybe the federal hand is giving them a bigger hammer or the state charges carry more. Because remember, these pills have a minimum mandatory with just a small amount of pills.

I mean, some states it's seven grams of this stuff, and it's a 15-year mandatory. Now you put that on top of murder, that's a problem for somebody. Or if you're going to start taking people farther down the food chain, there's big penalties for these pills in such a small dose. You're right. And, you know, I'm sure Randolph Rice, veteran defense attorney, recoiled when you said the word murder. but it would be a felony murder if certain facts are found, such as a death occurred during the commission of a felony. No intent is required. Well, Ms. Pantir certainly died. We've got that. And we at least know that there's one pill. But here's the problem, Nancy. And this is what the defense

attorneys for anybody that's charged in this case is going to go back to. How do you prove that pill came from my client? How do you prove with a houseful? of pills that this is the actual pill that came from my client. Can you track it back? Did it match somehow if there's three people coming to the house, which one of those people was the one that did that? Murder charges, manslaughter charges in this case, I think are very difficult. Better chance here is maybe a distribution charge, and that's why the DA is involved, because they're going to go back to L.A., try to find the drug dealer, and follow them. But tracking that one pill back to Miss Panetteer's house her mouth very very difficult for any prosecution to prove

dr william morowny when you look at this pill if she died from this pill then it'll have oxycodone it'll have fentany but it'll also have lactose it'll also have magnesium stearate and they can look for that in the toxicology, but the pill would have come from this bag. Now, what that means is you do DNA on the pills in the bag. Whose DNA is going to come up on this? If somebody comes up on this and that pill came from that bag, you can link that person to the pill. DNA on what's in the bag. That's the answer. Now, you know, Dr. William Maroney, you are an incredible toxicologist and pathologist, but you may need to add trial lawyer onto that.

That will give Randolph Rice something to think about. To Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us. We're now psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction. You can see her on Hulu. You can see her on Bravo. Peacock. She is a star of a new hit podcast on the Korn. couch with Dr. Bethany, and she's at Dr. Bethanymartial.com. Dr. Bethany,

criminal charges really that we're talking about distribution of drugs, really, to me, don't encapsle what was done to Hayden Panetteer, allegedly, the way that she was rendered zombie-like, docile, while people lived off her. There are even reports. that this boyfriend was pursuing other women in the months leading up to her death, keeping her docile while they used her money. Nancy, this is such an important part of the story, and we have to keep in mind, Hayden Panetteer wanted to be clean and sober. She voluntarily went to rehab.

On her book tour, she talked about how proud she was of being clean and sober. which means, you know, she was still struggling, but she had come out publicly about it. And we know that withdrawal from opiates is very, very, very painful. It makes you feel flu-like and sick and makes you vomit and all of that. So the compulsion or the pull to the craving to go back to the drug is very strong. And because of that, you do have to remove yourself from people, places, and things that made you use. But Brian Hickerson would not let her go.

Even if he had other women in his life, she was his meal ticket. And I'll tell me something else, Nancy, from having a practice in Beverly Hills. Celebrities use the same suppliers. Okay, I have actors who all come in. They talk about the same person who puts on their temporary lashes, or they all use the same manicurist or the same hairdresser or even, you know, So I could spread that out to like the same business managers, but also Nancy, they use the same drug suppliers. So there are a lot of celebrities out there who may be struggling with addiction or get drugs for party purposes who are going to be tied to this in some way.

I also think that we're going to have doctors in across the country and especially in that particular area who are going to be implicated in this. But going back to Brian Hickerson and Hayden, she desperately wanted to be sober. Where does that leave you? That leaves you that when you're trying to get sober and you're extraordinarily influenced by the people around you, that's why people who are getting sober, have to be around other sober people. You have somebody who's using right in front of you and waving under your nose. You're going to want to use, especially if you're withdrawing. Tonight, as we go to air, we learn about.

damning text uncovered by the DEA. We learn about drug deliveries to Hayden Panetteer, a mother of one, one little girl, a bright and shining light, a TV and movie star, in bags that have the name Brian written on them. If you, allegedly, no one has been charged, No one has been found guilty. No one has been named a suspect or even a P-O-I person of interest.

And everyone, even if named a suspect or P-O-I, is presumed by all of us, including me, to be innocent until proven guilty, presumed innocent, unless and until that presumption is pierced by evidence elisted from the state that proves the target guilty

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