Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - HAYDEN PANTTIERRE NEIGHBOR HEARS CRYING, SCREAMING BEFORE STAR'S DEATH

Episode Date: August 25, 2026

As Hayden Panttierre's death investigation continue, the focus falls on her romance with boyfriend Brian Hickerson. Hickerson admitted in an interview that he had battered Hayden in the past. Neighbors have come forward saying they heard crying and screaming in the time for her death, some saything they had called 911 multiple times.  Hayden's mom said that Hickerson had pawned some of Hayden's property including a vingtage guitar    JOINING NANCY GRACE TODAY: Derek Smith - Criminal Defense Attorney, website: dwsmithlegal.com  Dr. Bethany Marshall -  Psychoanalyst,  Author: "Deal Breaker," features on the hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock and "The Valley, Persian Style" on Bravo.  Host of a new podcast "On The Couch with Dr. Bethany Marshall, " Website: drbethanymarshall.com, Instagram FB & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter:@DrBethanyLive Rob Shuter  -  Host: Naughty But Nice Podcast,  robshuter.substack.com, former publicist of Sean Combs, Author: "The 4 Word Answer", IG: @naughtygossip  Dr. William Morrone -  Medical Examiner, Toxicologist, Pathologist, opioid treatment expert, Author: “American Narcan”  Dylan Novak - Youth Pastor at Henard's Chapel Baptist Church, Founder of Celebrity Evangelist Ministries, "Green Room Gospel" Podcast--coming this Fall, Facebook:@celebrityevangelist, www.celebrityevangelist.org Eileen Reslen - Senior Showbiz Exclusives Reporter for the Daily Mail, TikTok: @eileenreslen, instagram:eileenreslen,X:eileenreslen   Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories' See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Yeah, Hayden Panettea is a child actress who went on to great success. She detailed her substance abuse issues. Sadly, Hayden was found unresponsive on Sunday in an apartment in Greenville, South Carolina. She really told the world who she was beyond the superstar, the actress, that we all thought we loved.

Thank you, everyone, instant two, for cardiac arrest, just the mill walt, 701, Easley Bridge Road, Department of... Minute 29 responding. Easley Bridge Road, overdose, CPR's in progress. It was yesterday afternoon, and just a bunch of commotion in the hallway.

The halls are pretty hollow, so noise echoes throughout. And I had just heard about someone collapsing. And then afterwards, there was talk about cardiac arrest. I can't confirm any of that. That's just what I've heard. Just lots of commotion. That from our friends at WYFF, bombshells tonight, in the investigation into the TV and movie star Hayden Paneteer's death.

We're learning more and more, and all of it is very, very unsettling to say the least. Let me remind everyone, no one has been charged, no one has been named a person of interest. Tonight, anyway, we are now learning more about the alleged use of Narcan. When was it used? Who used it? How can you tell from looking at Hayden Penitier's body? Was it actually administered? His brother gave us a statement that he texted Brian and Hayden on that Sunday morning, last Sunday, and didn't get a response, went to this Airbnb where they were, and then found Brian who had just woken up and Hayden laying in a bed.

And Brian then administered Narcan to her. Okay, that's our friend Harvey Levin over at TMZ. And I need to hear that one more time because listen to me, I've tried a lot of cases and every fact can prove something. I heard something very disturbing. Listen to Harvey Levin. His brother gave us a statement that he texted Brian and Hayden on that Sunday morning last Sunday and didn't get a response, went to this Airbnb where they were, and then found

Brian who had just woken up and Hayden laying in a bed, and Brian then administered Narcan to her. Okay, straight out to Rob Sheeter joining us, author of a brain new book, Queen Elizabeth 3, the new American House of Windsor. shooter. My interest is always peaked, to put it mildly, when I hear somebody say, I woke up and she was dead. Yeah, absolutely. It's these details, Nancy, that are ultimately going to point us in the right direction here. You're so right. Just one detail can change everything. I listened to that statement from Harvey twice, too, because there's a lot of stuff in there and a lot of it doesn't add up. Initially, we were told that she was found in a chair.

Now we're being told that she was in the bed. And so I want these people to keep talking, to keep talking to TMZ, to keep talking to the media, to keep talking to the press, because they are going to reveal everything without even knowing they're doing so. Derek Smith, joining me, high-profile criminal defense attorney out of Ohio. Did you hear what Shooter just said?

I mean, he's a PR guru. He's handled them all. Diddy, Brittany, it goes on and on and on. They can't stop talking. They can't stop talking tonight. No charges, no P-O-I, person of interest. But Derek, how many interviews are these people going to give and they're inconsistent?

Did you hear Shooter? Shooter already pointed out that in one statement, she's dead in a chair. Another statement, I woke up, she's dead beside me. I didn't know what? Keep talking. Just keep that camera rolling, Derek. Yeah, Nancy, I tell my clients,

unfortunately sometimes after the fact that self-snitching doesn't really help them. I understand that, you know, they want to get their story out there too. They don't want to be villainized. They don't want to look like, you know, anything is because of them. However, just like your previous guest just said, you get them talking. they're going to be inconsistent, especially if the truth is something they're trying to evade. So I generally tell my clients, you know what, let's come into the office, talk with me first before you talk to any media, any law enforcement, anything like that, because you could maybe

inadvertently say things that could wind you up into the jail cell, Nancy. As you well know. Dave, McGe, joining me, Crime Stories, investigative reporter. Dave, there are several inconsistencies, right? What's the story on the Narcan? Who, what, where, why, when? What we're actually being told is what Zach Hickerson, the brother of Brian Hickerson, Hayden's on and off again boyfriend, that the Narcan was, the Narcan was found on the bed and that according to Zach, his brother Brian had used the Narcan on Hayden. Now, Narcan is, this is an inhaler that's inhaled through the nostrils, Nancy.

And according to Brian Hickerson's brother, Zach said that it was Brian who was administering the Narcan to Hayden. Right. When you say boyfriend, are you talking about this boyfriend? I saw her leaving on a gurney. Brian was right next to her. And I asked her if she was okay. And it looked to me that she, you know, had suffered some type of trauma that, you know, looked to be battering. And it was clear she was terrified. My biggest thing about domestic violence is I don't think it is taught early enough in life.

Never in my life that I ever get thought what domestic violence was, right? Maybe if I did at an early age, maybe I wouldn't have done what I did. I mean, I went into such a dark place, man, drugs, alcohol, fuse. Good God almighty. She's five foot two on paper, four foot 11 in real life. I mean, come on. Terrible thing I did to her. But, yeah, you know, she's 11.

love of life, love of life. So, yeah, you never know what happens. Is he high? That from our friends at Inside Edition and TMZ. Okay, please throw some water on me. Wait, wait me up, Jackie, because I think I passed out. I think I blacked out right there.

Let me hear that first part one more time. My biggest thing about domestic violence is I don't think it is taught early enough in life. Never in my life that I ever get taught what domestic violence was, right? Maybe if I did at an early age, maybe I wouldn't have done what I did. That's from TMZ.

I'm almost speaking to as Dr. Bethany Marshall. Please help me. Dr. Bethany Marshall renounced psychoanalyst out of the L.A. jurisdiction. She's on Hulu. She's on Bravo. she's on Peacott. New podcast on the couch with Dr. Bethany Marshall, author of Deal Breakers.

Dr. Bethany, did you hear that? If somebody had told me what domestic violence was, I wouldn't have beat the out of her. Really, it's when you beat somebody. That's domestic violence. Well, first of all, you're right. Did you hear that? Yes, I did. She's dead.

The boyfriend, that boyfriend wakes up in the bag and goes, oh, she's dead. How can that happen? And it's the same boyfriend that admits he beat her to smithereen. She got taken out on a gurney. What he says is if somebody had told me about domestic violence, he's trying to distance himself from domestic violence as if he didn't do it. But then later he goes on to admit. Why do you even keep saying that, Bethany?

Why do you keep telling it? Domestic violence. That's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Right? Well, when people say domestic homicide, domestic, it sounds like a Hallmark movie. Domestic. I think the kitchen table and good smells from supper and a little family sitting down the table holding hands, like on the Walton saying their prayer before dinner. That's not what this is.

I do like one thing you said, the distancing. If somebody told me about domestic violence, maybe domestic violence wouldn't have happened. It's not, domestic violence isn't doing it. He did it. He did it. He beat her. He heard her. He administered opioids to her. But then later on in that interview where he's clearly high, he does say, well, maybe I did it. And did you see the look on the interviewer's face? I mean, she's just giving him the side eye there, shocked at how high he is. I was coming down in the elevator and heard those two in a screaming match in the garage. And she was just kept saying, please, Brian, please stop. I might. saw called the sheriff office a number of times. From our friends at Extra. Now, I want to be very clear. No one's been charged. No one is named a person of interest to special guests joining us tonight.

Eileen Reslin. She is the senior showbiz exclusives investigative reporter for Daily Mail, one of the largest websites in the world. Eileen, on the story from the very beginning. Eileen, thank you for being with us. a beating is not the COD that we know of cause of death. What do we know about Hayden Panetteer who's leaving behind a daughter without a mother? What do we know about the circumstances surrounding her death, Eileen?

Well, I'm really glad you actually mentioned her daughter because that is actually part of the reason that Brian became involved in her life. He found her in a very vulnerable state. And now what we know about her death is, well, there's been obviously, an apparent overdose is what has been reported. And there was an arcand distributed. What's very interesting, I want to highlight a report that my colleague Dana Kennedy did for the Daily Mail exclusively. She spoke to Leslie Vogel, Hayden Penitiers' mother,

who has had conversations with the police, who have informed her about what Ryan has also told the police about what happened before Zach got there to the apartment. Now, this is very interesting, Nancy. He claimed Brian reportedly told police that at 10.30 that Sunday before Hayden died, that she was doing her makeup. And it was seemingly like any other day they were supposed to meet up with Zach. Then Zach is unable to make contact with them. And Brian steps out to go and get something.

Now, what that something is is unclear. We don't know. And it hasn't been disclosed by the police. And then Brian returns to the apartment. and he somehow, we don't even know if he interacted with hidden or not, presumably he did. It was closed quarters. And then they both somehow fall asleep for a nap. So there's really big gaps in that story because when he comes back from that errand run,

what happened there? Did they have a conversation? Did they do some drugs together? That information we don't know yet. Behind every night spent making the kids lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all?

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He is an opioid treatment expert. He is the author of American Narcan. And not only that, Maroni, while being a medical examiner, the chief medical examiner, puts his money where his mouth is and created a mobile opioid treatment facility. Dr. William Maroney, you have theories on the case tonight. It's not a case. It is the death of a beautiful young movie and TV star leaving behind a daughter without a mother. What is your analysis so far? It's quite clear. It follows the time path of heroin, fentanyl, or opiate use. You're up early, you're getting ready, and then you take a nap.

No, that's falling out. They probably used together and she might have got more than him and he woke up and she didn't. That happens all the time. It sounds like an opiate use. Somebody with substance use disorder and a partner follow this timeline. He's bigger. whatever they snort, whatever they smoke, whatever they inject. They said there was no trauma after the autopsy, but the timeline fits opiate use.

And then why else do you have this? Why do you have this if that's not an opiate use? Narcan is only going to work when you're around opiates. If you're using opiates, this is what saves your life if something goes wrong. Well, why didn't it work? Well, there are reasons. Polypharmacies, the number one reason why it won't work because the Valium, the Xanax, the cocaine, the methamphetamine, barbiturates, ketamine, alcohol, they prevent it because there's much stronger and it's not going to reverse them.

The second most important reason why it won't work is it's given too late. Circulation stops. the heart stops, breathing stops. It's not going to go anywhere. You blow this up your nose. Are you saying the Narcan was administered after circulation and respiration had stopped? What do you mean by that? That what I mean is you need to have it go in your nose, get in your blood, and then go to your brain.

If you don't get it in time, it's not going to work because it has to transfer to your brain. to your brain and there was no circulation. That's why it wouldn't work. There was no cat up the nose. Put him up. Why are you saying there's no circulation? Do you mean she was dead? Yes.

Speak English, man. Exactly. Exactly what I mean. She was dead and this whole thing was a drama. That's what I think. Okay. What do you mean by she was dead and this whole thing was a drama? I don't, you use opiates and you fall out, you get sleep, you wake up and somebody else is dead, but you're alive, and you have to do something.

And the procedure, the timeline doesn't fit that she was savable. She was not savable. How is Narcan's supposed to work? It did not work. It did not save Hayden Pantheir's life. How is it supposed to work? You firmly believe it was administered after she's dead. Well, that's, I might as well administer it to that phone right there.

Yeah, it would be the same thing. Here's what you have to do. Narcan works all the time, but you have to get it in your nose, and it gets absorbed into your blood, and then it goes to your brain, and it tells the brain, you stop breathing. Please start breathing. You have to go in here. to start breathing. It puts the heroin off.

It puts the fentanyl off. It puts the oxicon off. It pushes it off. That's how it works. And then the brain sends signals to start breathing again. So let me understand. You're stating that you believe

the Narcan was administered after she's dead. Now, okay, hold on. Rob Sheeter joining me PR guru who is familiar with Hayden Panetteer, author of new book, Queen Elizabeth 3, the New American House of Windsor. Shooter, you heard Eileen Reslin from the Daily Mail describe inconsistencies in the various statements. We already know that in one story, she was dead in a chair.

And another story, he wakes up, oops, she's dead. I have no idea. I'm just sleeping next to a corpse. I don't know what happened. Can I tell you that's not that uncommon that I hear that? There are many inconsistencies. What about the inconsistency

regarding the brother, her doing her makeup at 1030, the boyfriend leaves. Did he leave to get Narcan then? Was she already dead? What more can you tell me, Shooter? Yeah, these inconsistencies are everything, Nancy.

as long as they keep talking, we're going to get more. Why would you go out and get Narcan if you didn't need it in the moment? Was this preventative? Were they planning to do drugs that day or three of them or two of them? And that's why they wanted the Narcan. There's a ton of questions. But what I do know is that the cameras have been seized around that apartment complex. So sources are telling me that the police have taken all that footage.

So they'll be able to see exactly who, who left, what time they left, what time they returned, and if they did go to a pharmacy, if they did go to a CVS to pick up Narcan, that will be on the cameras too. And so they can say whatever they want at the moment, let them keep saying it. The evidence is going to what's going to tell us what really happened, and that evidence is going to be cameras, it's going to be cell phones, it's going to be electronic communications. I'm told that the police know a lot more than we do, and they're just not saying at the moment,

that's not that unusual, Nancy. What people say to the press is often very different than what they say to the police. The police already have a very good idea what happened inside that apartment. Derek Smith, don't you just hate it? You're the veteran trial lawyer, the criminal defense attorney at dW Smith legal.com.

when your client gives one story, then gives another story. I mean, most people remember the last time they saw a dead body. It doesn't move on its own anyway. But when you find out there's video surveillance at that drugstore, at that luxury residence where they were. I mean, there's video. The first thing I'm doing, Nancy, is going, is going, to go into those pharmacies trying to get that video because if we're in a situation like this where a

client of mine may be a suspect in a homicide or an accidental death and he was actually doing something to prevent that like going like he wakes up and realizes his partner is struggling to breathe or having some kind of reaction he rushes out to go get in our can to go get something to help her but then unfortunately when he gets there it's just a little too late and she doesn't survive that could be the situation we're looking at now yes they're trying to establish a motive for this guy yeah he was a He was a s' boyfriend, a s' partner. He hurt her. He hit her. He was domestic violence to her. Doesn't mean he's a killer.

Doesn't mean he wants her dead. Yes, he may want to keep her to himself, be a possessive type boyfriend. But he wants her to be alive. He's going to the drugstore to get some dark stand to save her life. Okay, all of this is discussion based on inconsistencies we are learning about. This boyfriend has not been charged. He is not a suspect. He's not even a person of interest.

But I do find it interesting that the surveillance cameras have been seized by police. Why? Dr. William Moroni renowned medical examiner. I can't stress that enough. Toxicologists, very important in this case, pathologist, opioid, expert, author of American Narcan. He's devoted his life to his family and father. fighting opioid addiction. Dr. Moroni, A, I want you to weigh in.

Your knowledge is far more vast than my questions can encompass. But I also want to know, in an autopsy, can you tell if Narcan was administered? Since it's inhaled, can you even find that out in autopsy? There's two things you can do. The first thing is standard toxicology when you test the blood. If there's absolutely no naloxone, naloxone is the active medicine in this, then it really wasn't given in time. And the second thing you can do is swab the nose. You swab it and then you send it off.

These are the first test, the general toxicology is what everybody does. Every single medical examiner, every single department will do the top. toxicology. One of the reasons why I think they brought in the DEA was because they're going above and beyond local law enforcement. If you take a swab and you go up the nose like we did in COVID, instead of looking for a virus, you look for naloxone. Then you'll know if it was given. So I think what you just said is yes. Dr. Moroni, did you just mention D.E.A. Drug Enforcement Agency?

What? Yes. The reason why Greenville Police is reaching out for federal resources with the DEA is when they find what they find in the bag or the drugs or the toxicology, they're going to go for homicide because when you supply something to somebody and they die, that's homicide, not an accident.

So if the autopsy is done correctly and the Q-tip, the long Q-tip like we used in COVID, is stuck up the nose and swabbed, you will find traces, correct? Yes, yes. But if she was dead,

it will not have been absorbed and it will, it sit there. So that creates the timeline. It helps you say, now you don't know when, but if it's in her blood and in her nose, then she would have got it in time. But if it's not in her blood and it's only in her nose, that is. Maroney. Maroni. Yes. This is very, very confusing. I got to figure out. If the Narcan is in her blood, then she did, it was and missed her correctly. If it's just in her nose, that means he stuck it up and it just sat there and she never absorbed it because she's already dead.

Because she's already dead. That's if you find it in the nose and it's not in her blood, that's clearly exactly what. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Wait, wait. Don't lose your thought because I really want to hear it. To Eileen Reslin joining us, um, senior showbiz exclusive. investigative reporter Daily Mail. What is the boyfriend's story?

Because when I smell a lie, I'm digging in. I've got a bite of his ankle, and I am not letting go. What is he saying? When is he saying he administered Narcan? He hasn't released a statement yet saying whether he administered the Narcan or not. That was the brother Zach who claimed that he did. Right now he's lawyered up, Brian. He is his lawyer saying that let's let the investigation play out.

Let's not make any judgments yet. So he's already in defense mode in that sense. But what we know about him is that he is a criminal. I mean, he abused Hayden that was well documented in Hayden's biography. He's been convicted. He pleaded no contest in 2021. And what's really interesting, Nancy, is that just the week prior to Hayden passing away, he actually put in a request with the court to have.

his charges expunged. And the judge actually denied it because he said, I'm not allowing that to be expunged because you've continued to be high. And they actually pointed out to that TMZ interview that you played earlier that showed that he was not in a good state. So why would they expunge the charges in that case?

And that, what the judge decided was decided just three days before Hayden died. So I think the timing of all of that is all very interesting. His brother gave us a statement that he texted Brian and Hayden on that Sunday morning, last Sunday, and didn't get a response, went to this Airbnb where they were, and then found Brian, who had just woken up, and Hayden laying in a bed, and Brian then administered Narcan to her. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pastos survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all?

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And Brian then administer Narcan to her. Whether Narcan is in her blood or just in her nose, highly critical. Who can tell me about the boyfriend who was not a suspect or person of interest tonight, pawning Hayden's items, her belongings, before her death. Dave Matt, crime stories.

Can you tell me about that? Yes, Nancy. Hayden's estranged mother, Leslie Vogel, says that Leslie came out to L.A. about a year ago to help Hayden get through

a serious health issue and claiming that Hayden was suffering from some unexplained pain in her lower back. And it was at that point where Leslie Vogel says that Brian Hickerson had emotionally and physically damaged Hayden Penetary for years. And she was depleted in every way financially, emotionally, physically. And that Brian Hickerson pawned items of Hayden Penetary to get cash.

Okay, Derek Smith, joining us, criminal defense attorney. Derek, again, he is not named a suspect in this case. That's not a good look to just admit that you beat her repeatedly. No, I mean, yeah, it doesn't look good, but it doesn't point to, again, a motive. I mean, you were talking about doing drugs together, and like you just said in that last segment, she was financially drained. Maybe they owed money. Maybe she owed money to him.

And she said, hey, pawn my stuff, get your money back. or they needed more money to go get more supply. They needed to resupply. So she sent him along, go pawn my stuff. Okay, you just run with that bone that she owed him money. Well, she's financially depleted. Could you help Derek Smith, please, Dr. Bethany? The likelihood is he stalked her for a long, long time because he wanted her money.

He did file for bankruptcy in 2022. And what happens when people want to commit financial fraud on another individual is that they will put that person in a vulnerable state so that that person cannot complain. So my theory, I've never talked to Brian Hickerson, but my theory is that he continued to re-addict her knowing that that would take away her awareness of what he was siphoning away. And I think this is what's going to come out in any kind of report and investigation is what other ways was he having access to her money, right? Dr. Bethany, do you know one of the things the boyfriend pawned was her vintage guitar? That probably meant something to her sentimentally. You know, people who commit financial fraud, they also hate their victims, okay? They feel that the victims have it coming to them.

Nancy, he wasn't just a boyfriend. He stalked her. Let's just be clear. He stalked her. He beat her. He took her money. And as you're saying, winning out, he took, he pawned her vintage guitar. And what does it mean when you pawn something?

When you pawn something, you're desperate for cash right away. You're going to give it to the pawn shop for pennies on the dollar. And this is one of the things that underlies addiction is the need to get that fix right away. Now, I just one other layer to all of this is that Zach went to church that morning. Then he says that they were unresponsive when he tried to call them. They were supposed to go to lunch and then indoor golfing. He says that Brian was waking up, but then he says that he was administering Narcan. So both can't be true.

And it's very unusual for both people to use one person to fall out, as Dr. Moroni said. And then the other one just magically wakes up just in time. to save the victim. I mean, it was, uh, who wants to read something about themselves like that, right? But you know, you gotta be vulnerable and, you know, I did it. I did it. But yeah, no. What? What a f***! Try in jail!

Wait a minute. This is a brawl outside of a very fancy hotel. hotel in Los Angeles. And that person there in the white sweater, that is Hayden Panettiere in the middle of a just crazy brawl that went down last night that started in the bar at this hotel. You see that's Brian in the white sweater who just got hit. Now someone's on top of him and Hayden isn't walking away from this.

She is right there trying to pull people off of Brian. She gets knocked over. This is crazy. At one point in that, guys, it looks like she even took a foot to the face, too. It looks like she got kicked. I mean... Oh, the life that Hayden had been dragged into. That is from our friends at TMZ and Inside Edition.

Joining us now is a special guest who has been waiting patiently to speak about Hayden. It's Dylan Novak. a pastor who shared the gospel with Hayden. He is the founder of an evangelical ministry and is the star of Green Room Gospel, his new podcast coming out fall. Dylan Novak, thank you for being with us. I would like you to explain to our viewers and listeners

the Hayden that you knew. Well, Nancy, thank you. much for having me. My wife and I, we met Hayden in Monroeville, Pennsylvania, back in 2024, and we've been doing this ministry for the past 11 years, taking the gospel to different people in the entertainment industry. Like the previous clip you just showed, this is what we see all of the time in ministry, people searching for something so much more than what this life has to offer, filling their life, filling that God-shaped hole in their heart with the things of this world and this is the result that sadly happens and hollywood is the known but forgotten they they are we all

think about them we all know who they are but sadly we as the church oftentimes just graze over them we either say they're a lost cause or we say oh nobody would ever listen and we've seen through our ministry many people give their lives to christ we've seen an outpour recently of different people in the entertainment industry being outspoken with their faith and when we met Hayden. It was still City con. It's just a comic con. It's a fan meet and greet. And we were able to talk

with her for a few moments and she talked about her daughter. And my daughter at the time, she was two about to turn three. Her daughter was nine at the time. And she brought up her past along with some other issues and there was just such

a sad presence. And it's the same presence you see with anybody who is searching for that God-shaped hole in their life and they're feeling it with anything except the gospel of Christ. She was so kind to us. She was so kind to our daughter and open to listen. Some people we talk to are completely closed off. They don't want to talk. It's very dismissed. She was open. But there was just an overwhelming sad presence. Rob Shooter joining us, a host of naughty but nice podcast, very familiar with Hayden.

He is the author of a brand new bestseller, Queen Elizabeth 3, the New American House of Windsor. Rob, Hayden was searching. She was searching for a way to change her life, to have a life with her daughter, to move forward. What did you observe? What do you know of Hayden?

That this was an incredibly talented, generous, kind person who was just riddled with demons. And every time she tried to get her life together, something came along and derailed her. We know about her financial issues. The mistake a lot of people make is they think all famous people are very wealthy. She lived a relatively modest life. She didn't live in a big mansion in Bel Air.

She had a small apartment. We see where she was staying in South Carolina. It's not at the Ritz Carlton Hotel. It's at a rented apartment, a luxury apartment, but it's not where Julia Roberts would stay. So I know she struggled with money. I know she struggled with happiness. She felt Hollywood had left her be.

This was a child star. And Hollywood has this horrible habit of throwing them aside and finding somebody new. Her crea wasn't in a place where she wanted it to be. I was told one of the reasons she wrote her memoir was she wanted the money. She needed the money. She wasn't getting acting jobs. So if you add all that together, it's a very desperate, a very sad, but not that unusual Hollywood story. Very sad.

Dr. Bethany Marshall, not only our renowned psychoanalyst, but the daughter to missionaries who go around the world spreading the gospel, it just breaks my heart to hear Pastor Dylan Novak speaking about Hayden. searching, we're all seekers, right? We're all seeking. But to know that she was searching and seeking the gospel, but before she could find any peace in this world, she died. And just all of these leeches sucking her blood, sucking her dry. He had experienced this from the time she was little in kindergarten. She was bullied by a teacher and by fellow students for being an actor. This continued throughout middle school. She was addicted at 15 and 16 opioids and stimulants. A stimulant was given to her by somebody she trusted. She goes on to Nashville and the writers of that show parallel the script with Hayden Panetteer's life. And they give her the script so soon before each taping

that she doesn't have a chance to object to it. So her show begins to mimic her addiction, her pregnancy, all of that. And Nancy, you talked about seeking. It is very common for people who are struggling with addiction. And we know she admitted herself to treatment facilities. Nobody had to push her to grow. Nobody had to push her to go. So she was seeking God a higher power, which is a part of addiction recovery,

attachment systems, which had been taken away from her from the very beginning. And I see this in my Beverly Hills office all the time. Stars who come in and they don't talk about their careers. They talk about wanting to be loved. They talk about going to church. They talk about their relationships. They talk about their pastor. That's what everybody wants at the end of the day, relationship with God and with others. And one other quick thing, when you're a child actor, your sense of self becomes fused with the camera. That camera holds your identity and your self-esteem rises and falls on the smiles and frowns of others, which makes you very, very vulnerable to what other people think about you, not what the public thinks, but what your loved ones think about you, which then makes you vulnerable

to exploitation. So this was a perfect storm of many, many, many factors. And I wish pastor who is here today could have had much more time with her, because he said that he and his wife sound very loving and like they could help take her away from Brian and played a larger role in her life. The death of this beautiful young TV movie star, and also the mother of a little girl, has struck a chord across our country. If you know or think you know anything regarding the death of Hayden, please dial Greenville Crime Stoppers. repeat 864-237-4-2-7-4-6-3 and also please hear this if you or someone you know or love is fighting drug addiction just dial 9-8 8-8 repeat 988 8 8 we remember an American hero sergeant jason gooding

Seaside PD, Oregon, shot and killed in the line of duty just 39, leaving behind a wife now widow, Amy, and daughters, Jocelyn and Jaden, American hero, Sergeant Jason Gooding. Thank you to our guests, but especially to you for being with us tonight. Nancy Grace, signing off, but I'll see you tomorrow and I. And until then, good night, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast. human.