Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Hell on Wheels” McKenzie Shirilla Kills 2, Demands New Trial

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

Mackenzie Shirilla is serving 15 years to life at the Ohio Reformatory for Women, convicted on 12 counts, including murder and aggravated vehicular homicide.  Police say Shirilla deliberately crashing her car into a brick building at 100 mph. Two passengers were killed, Shirilla's boyfriend, Dominic Russo, and their friend, Davion Flanagan. Data from the car's black box showed Shirilla floored the gas pedal and never used the brakes, making calculated steering and gear adjustments before impact.  She was 17 at the time.  The Ohio Supreme Court has declined to review Mackenzie Shirilla’s post-conviction appeals, ruling the petition was filed late and the trial court lacked jurisdiction to excuse the delay. Shirilla’s lawyers, in court documents, said they requested the review due to a calendar mistake. They filed the appeal one day past the deadline. Jailhouse recordings and prison records reveal demands the double killer is making behind bars  Recordings from her time at the Ohio Reformatory for Women exposed her begging for perks like an iPad, complaining about being bored, and scheming with her mother.  A prison document details 23 complaints and 36 violations against her, including flashing her breasts to visitors, possessing contraband like paints and monopoly money, and refusing job assignments.   Shirilla will not be eligible for her first parole hearing until October 2037.    Joining Nancy Grace today:  Christine Russo  - Dominic Russo's older sister - Host, "The Big Sister: Unhinged Podcast,"  Instagram: @thebigsisterunhinged,  www.youtube.com/@TheBigSisterUnhinged Shyann Topping - Mackenzie Shirilla's prison girlfriend in 2023  TikTok: shyanntoppingg  Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst,  Host "On the Couch with Dr. Bethany," Author: "Deal Breaker,”  featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive  John Mobley  - Trial attorney, John Mobley Law Firm Dr. Kendall Crowns  - TX Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth),  Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue," Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)   Joel Waldman  - Co-host of "Surviving the Survivor,"   Author of "Surviving the Survivor: A Brutally Honest Conversation about Life (& Death) with My Mom: A Holocaust Survivor, Therapist & My Podcast Co-Host", Co-Founder and Creative Director at Content Product Media  Dave Mack -  Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories' See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, we learned the Ohio Supreme Court rejects a bid from McKenzie Sherilla, aka Hell on Wheels. Shirilla, the subject of a Netflix documentary, quote, The Crash, quote, demanding they overturn her murder conviction. But trust me.

It ain't over yet. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. I want to thank you for being with us. That's right. McKenzie Shirilla, aka Hell on Wheels, takes your case all the way

to the Ohio Supreme Court demanding a new trial based on what? Because these are the facts. One of the two victims dies instantly. The other does not. McKenzie Shurilla was never unconscious, was never unconscious at the hospital.

It's completely. I can't even put into words how tragic this has been for our entire family. They're dead and hell on wills, Chirilla, is alive. And making diva demands from behind bars. She insists on being the queen of the jailhouse. I want you to hear McKenzie Shurilla caught on tape. Oh, my God. I know, but...

How am I going to make this one book stretch? You may have to read it a couple times. I'm not reading the same book over and over and over again. I don't know, Kenzie. I don't know. This is just this super, super sucks. I mean, they should have, like, when you come, they should be able to give you like a welcome,

not a welcome thing, but like, you're new. It's going to take a week to get your commentary. Here's some shit. A welcome basket? at the big doll house, the women see, I, I need to hear that again. Does she actually say she deserved a welcome basket? What, can she please play that again? Oh, my God.

I know, but. How am I going to make this one book stretch? You may have to read it a couple times. I'm not reading the same book over and over and over again. I don't know, Kenzie. I don't know. This is just this super, super sucks. I mean, they should have, like, when you come, they should be able to give you like a welcome, not a welcome thing, but like, you're new.

It's going to take a week to get your commentary. Here's some shit. What does she think this is? Dr. Bethany Marshall, the Mandarin, the Four Seasons, the Ritz Carlton? What does she want a spa package when she checks into the CI Correctional Institute for killing two young, very young men? What? She's whining about having to read the same book? I think she needs a glass of champagne to go along with her snack basket and maybe some movies to watch while she's at it. You know, Nancy, this fits the profile of sociopathy or what we call Cluster B personality.

Cluster B is when you have narcissism, sociopathy, and borderline all together in one person. And this is the kind of person who would get dysregulated. and smash her car at 100 miles per hour into a wall. This is a kind of person who would be self-centered, who would only think about herself. But what's interesting to me, Nancy, her mother has no moral compass. The mother says, this sucks.

What the mother needs to say is, sweetie, you're going to be here the rest of your life. There are no, there's no champagne, there's no welcome basket, and you're going to have to read that book again and again. I think her mother needs to give her the Bible. I think that's the book she needs to read, and she needs to stretch that one out as long as possible.

A welcome basket. Whining! Whining! That she only has one book so far. But that's not all. Listen. We need to just figure out this iPad like A-F. Like, I'm so for a real.

And my visitation is still pending for my video visits. And there's no... They're just that they'll contact me when I'm approved. So... And get all my friends to make... them too. I did. I sent it to everybody. I can't make them. Yeah, this is going to fuck until you can get your it. It's 3.30. How is it only 3.30? For real. I don't know. I didn't even know it was only 330. I thought it was like 5. It's 3.30. Okay. The two victims are dead. They're not going to get

to read a book. They're not going to get to look at an iPad. They're not going to get to check the watch to see what time it is like she is. No diva demands for them. Their families are in intense pain. The victims were very, very young at the beginning of their lives, and their only mistake was being friends

with Hell on Wheels, McKenzie Sherilla. Let's just have a little reality check. Joining me, Dr. Kendall Crowns. He is the chief medical examiner out of Fort Worth, Texas, never a lack of business. He is a star of a hit podcast which I've put on loop before when I'm driving

Mayhem in the morgue He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU Dr. Kendall Crowns Before I listen to her whiny voice Complaining about not having an iPad and only being given one book And enlisting all of her friends They probably won't touch her with 10 foot

poll to right the prison or get involved with some crusade to get her more amusements behind bars? Can we talk about what happened to the two victims? How did they die? So she drove a car at a brick wall or a concrete wall at 100 miles per hour and slammed into it basically head on, but angling it a little bit so that the passenger side. hit, which is probably why she survived. So the thing is, is what happened to them? Well, it's kind of dependent on if they have on seatbelts or not. At that high of a speed, seatbelts and airbags will deploy, but the seatbelts can actually slip up and cause damage. It can fracture your collarbone. It can fracture ribs. It can fracture your pelvis. And if you slide enough,

it can also take your head off. The rear seat passenger evidently lands. landed on top of the front seat passenger. So they hit this wall at this high rate of speed. They're going to go forward into the dash. They're going to get massive skull fracturing. Often it's deforming where the entire skull fractures, the skin splits open and the brain comes out. And then they're going to get multiple rib fractures,

tearing of the lacerations of the lungs, the heart, and then the liver and bladder as well, spleen, kidneys. It's all that force going to. into your body. And then, if you brace yourself at all, it will fracture your femurs, causing your legs to fold up back into your body, and it'll also shatter and sever your spine as well. So there's a myriad of injuries caused by a high-speed, head-on, blunt force injury car crash. And yet, she says, and she's caught on tape, stating, quote, I'm annoyed. Listen.

Figure out this iPad like Asaph. Like, I'm so for real. And my visitation is still pending for my video visits. And there's no, they're just said they'll contact me when I'm approved. So. And get all my friends to make them too. I did. I sent it to everybody.

I can't make them. Yeah, this is going to suck until you can get your shit. Like, it's only 3.30. How is it only 3.30? For real. I don't know. I did not even know it was only 3.30. I thought it was like five.

It's 3.30. Did they not know they're being recorded? So not only is she demanding an iPad and complaining about the one book, claiming she's, quote, annoyed. Did you just hear what Dr. Kendall Crowns described happened to the victims, their brain coming out of their skull, and that's what their families get to think about before they go to bed at night. When they put their head on their pillow, they think about their son.

with his skull cracked open, and she's annoyed. Oh, but there's more. Now she says, I'm just so irritated. Listen. Yeah, I'm so irritated. Like, I just need a book. Like, so anything, anything. Cards, a book.

Yeah. Right. Anything would be great. And you shouldn't wait that long to get your commentary on if that's the case. You know, give me a pat of paper and a pen for, you know, intro. And then when I get my commentary, I'll give it back. but it is what it is there's nothing we can do about it

but it's really bad and I'm sorry because it's going to make the person go crazy yes like there's nothing for me to do in there nothing how about do something volunteering how about do something to do better yourself and help other people not hurt them

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loses the bid for a new murder trial in the Ohio Supreme Court after she kills two people, two young men begging her not to do it. Prosecutors argue she intentionally drove her car 100 MPH without breaking into a brick wall in Strongville, killing two, Dominic Russo, just 20, Davion Flanagan, just 19. The Ohio Supremes refused to take up this latest appeal. In this appeal, she wanted to revive a post-conviction challenge. It had been dismissed by the lower courts, and the Supremes ruled the petition was filed too late, and the trial court lacked jurisdiction to cover it.

Translation, the lawyers filed it in the wrong court, and by the time it got to the Ohio Supremes, it was too late. To file it, they had 365 days to challenge the conviction after trial transcripts are filed. Shrilla filed a petition one day late. Ouch. These are the facts. Evidence shows that she threatened to kill the boyfriend. At first this was thought to be an accident, but then evidence revealed she never took her foot off the gas.

She wanted to kill him, and she did. By the way, let's go straight out to veteran trial lawyer, John Mobley, founder of the Mobley law firm. Mobley, did you hear? Did you hear the mom say, yeah, and you shouldn't have to wait for so long to get these things from the commissary? Oh, oh, oh, oh, bad commissary. What is wrong with these people? Well, Nancy, you know, I've got to call it like I see it. You know, from a legal standpoint, despite this young.

lady's behavior. Why do you start every explanation with, I've got to call it like I see it? Of course you're going to call it like you see it. Is somebody paying you or convincing you or threatening you to say anything other than call it like I see it? Okay. That said moving forward, going forward Mowgli, we're going to assume you're calling it like you see it. Okay. So no need to preface everything with I'm going to call it like I see it. Okay, go ahead. Not to be repetitive, but please, John, call it like you see it. Actually, I feel kind of threatened right now, but I will say that I do believe that this young

lady's attorneys and parents have done her disservice. Just based on her history of unstable behavior, I mean, that's just documented. When you look at her behavior while she's in the prison system, it is very clear that this young lady has undiagnosed untreated mental health issues. And when I review the history of this case and look at the defenses that were presented in the first trial, and even looking at the claims being made by her new attorneys that are claiming ineffective assistance counsel, I don't see anywhere her attorneys addressing her mental health issues. And I do believe, again, that this young lady's behavior is screaming that she has severe mental health issues,

for which she needs counseling, therapy. What? What? She has severe what? Mental health issues. What? Mental health. Yes. You know what?

Guess what, Mowgli? Isn't it true? You have a JD, a jurist doctrine. That's a yes, no. Is that true? That is correct. Okay. Are you a trained mental health caregiver?

I'm a trained criminal defense attorney, and I can identify. defendants that commit conduct have mental health issues. Okay, I'm going to have to cut your mic right there. That said, let's go to a real mental health care giver, Dr. Bethany Marshall. Now, we just heard Mowbly give his unsolicited medical opinion. And unless you got a J.D.M.D., I don't want to hear that coming out of your mouth, Mowbly. Now, the law, yes.

Dr. Bethany, a severe mental health illness, don't you think? Her defense lawyers, if she had a mental health illness, health defect. They would have written it on a banner and driven it up and down Fifth Avenue that she had a mental defect. But they didn't. Why didn't they? And you know they would have because that could have been a viable defense. But there wasn't. And I know you, John Mobley, you would have tilled that earth over and over until you dug up a little rock of mental defect. and you would have heralded it up and down the courthouse halls. But they didn't, Bethany.

She's got a defect, all right. It's called narcissistic, histrionic translation, drama queen. Yes, she does, Nancy. She does not have any type of mental disorder. She looks very intact to me. She's articulate. She's manipulative. You know, when you hear her talking to her mother,

she's making her mother feel sorry for her. She's drawing her mother in as a sympathetic person. But she does have, you're right, a personality disorder. As I said earlier, Cluster B, I like histrionic. That's true. Very dramatic. Histrionic is when a person has rapidly shifting emotions that appear deep in nature, but they're not deep at all. They're just designed to get attention.

She wants as much attention, not just from her mother, but all of her friends. Her mother's going to pass this video link around to all of her friends. You know who it reminds me of Nancy? Remember how Casey Anthony spoke with her mom? remember how she whined, she pushed, she begged, she manipulated. And, you know, she wanted her mother to reach out to her boyfriend. Remember that?

Trying to remember the name of the boyfriend. And the mother was just overwhelmed with the daughter, did not even know what to do with her. John Mobley. Dr. Bethany Marshall is a renowned psychoanalyst with mental health training unlike you or me. But you've dealt with a... enough defendants to know somehow it's always me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me.

And you hear her bossing her mom around telling the mom what to do. Narcissistic, histrionic, those are defects true, but they do not rise to a mental defect or insanity under the law. I'm going out on a limb here, and I'm trusting you, Mowley, because I happen to know your trial record. It's very impressive. You win a lot of cases. You make a lot of great settlements.

you know the law. This does not rise to insanity. And I want to be clear on something. And by the way, I do agree with her statement that the parents are part of the problem and they enable her with their behavior. But I want to be clear that I'm distinguishing between mental defect and disease

which would amount to legal insanity versus mental health issues with respect to mitigation. Okay. I do not believe that she was legally insane under any law of any state. Okay, I do not believe that. I do believe that she has mental health issues that were untreated, undiagnosed, and probably, you know, contribute to her conduct. And I believe that if those issues are not addressed by proper evaluation, then they could not have been presented to the court for mitigation and sentencing.

And she cannot, and she's not receiving treatment for it in prison. So you are correct. She will serve her prison sentence without receiving any appropriate treatment and get out and there'll be no change. You see Mowgli talking. Hold on. I'm flipping through the DSM. You know what that is because of all your mental defect defenses you've tried to put up. The Diagnostic Statistic Manual for Mental Disorders. It's now in the fifth edition, I believe.

I'm looking through. Oh, I found it. Here's her picture. Spoiled Brat syndrome. Yeah, there she is. They've got her picture. Spoiled Brat. Ooh, ooh, I'd love you to raise that defense with me as a prosecutor.

I would be so happy. I would be parading up in front of that jury with that DSM in my hand. I'd make them read it. I put it up on a slide for them to have to look out and even turn the lights off. So there's nowhere to look, but up on the slide.

About what is the spoiled brat defense? You know, we saw it before with Ethan Couch, the affluenza defense. He's just so rich and affluent. He can't be held guilty because he just didn't know any better. You know what? Joel Wallman joining me,

co-host and star of surviving the survivor. Joel Walman, do you hear John Mobley state that she has a mental defect? Could you tell us what really happened? Nancy, I did hear that. And I don't know John personally, but he's just the criminal defense attorneys have a job to do, and I respect that job immensely. You know, I've been in broadcast journalism for 30 years, and I'm an observer of people. And I just see this as an absolute tsunami of dysfunction.

And Nancy, I'm not saying this. See, you don't yell at me, but I am 100% agreeing with you. I'm the son of a psychiatrist, the son of a social worker. And to me, the diagnosis here is a spoiled brat on steroid. She just doesn't know, doesn't have the maturity level as to the seriousness and the gravity of what she committed here, what she has done here. and then you add into the mix here, the ingredient that the mother and the father here are complete enablers her. Enablers, they are not stopping her and saying, Mackenzie, you are the one responsible for this.

They are ooing and awing her, and it is just like pouring salt in the wound. She needs a reality check because she is not getting out of prison anything soon. Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, stop everything. Screech, halt. Joel Walman, star, co-hosts of Surviving and Survivor, do I have this right? Did Hell on Wheels miss thing? McKenzie Sherilla expose her breast to a jailhouse visitor? You have that right.

And this is where it's also kind of a tornado of confusion here. Because on the one hand, you have these calls where she is bored to death in jail. I can't believe it is only 3.30. It's supposed to be five. And on the flip side, it seems like she's having the time of her life. She's got men who are reaching out to her. She has lesbian relationships going on. I mean, the mother was asked about, how do you feel that your daughter is having these lesbian relationship in prison?

And her response was, she's in her 20s. You know, I mean, this is where the insanity is coming from. It is coming from the top down, just like in corporate America. You've got a nutty boss or a CEO, and the corporate culture is going to be odd. Woman, you think I care if she's gay? I don't care. All I care about are those two dead bodies. Did you not hear Kendall Crowns, excuse me, Kendall Crowns, Dr. Kendall Crowns, Chief

Medical Examiner, Tarrant County? He's seen a thing or two. Did you not hear him talk about the brains coming through the skull? I don't want to hear about she had a lesbian relationship. Don't care. Whatever. I care about the two dead young men. I care about their families who are sick to their stuff.

Every morning when they wake up every night when they go to bed. How many tears their pillows are wet because of Shirilla. I don't give a flying fig who she's sleeping with behind bars. I feel sorry for the partner. But the exposing of her breasts in the jailhouse to a visitor, I want to hear about that. And what can you tell me, Walman, about 36 tickets behind bars? Yeah, I mean, this is one of, like you said, 36. six tickets and fractions in prison.

One of them is having, I guess, alleged tablet sex for lack of a better phrase. I don't know what the kids are calling it these days. But yeah, she's had a sexual relationship. Alleged tablet sex. I don't think that's what it's referred to, but just go ahead. Yeah, so some of this is going on. And apparently she and a female partner, the female partner was seen on camera as McKenzie Shurilla was.

I believe she pleaded guilty in that particular infraction. And then she's got, you know, a 46-year-old guy who reached out there. I'm wondering who that 46-year-old person is who's interested in a 21-year-old who's going to be spending many years behind bars. But, I mean, the point I raised earlier, just confusing. It's on the one hand, she's whining and complaining her mom about how bad prison life is. And then he's having, you know, enjoyment on the flip side. So the public image that they are creating,

is not one of good optics, and that's really what I think the family needs to be focused on. Listen, and you're there. For heart-wrenching knockouts. The world's biggest stage! And breathtaking triumph. In 2026, FIFA World Cup, the knockout stage.

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Hell on Wheels, aka McKenzie Sherill's lawyers, argued her petition for post-conviction relief should be considered because the filing deadline fell during a leap year. Okay, both the lower court and the Ohio Supreme's laugh. out of the courtroom. The victim's families say, however, it brought them little comfort, and this is why. I'm hearing in my ear, we are now joined by Cheyenne Topping. This is Cheryl's girlfriend, behind bars, and also Christine Rousseau is joining us.

This is the victim, one of them, Dominic Rousseau's sister. She is the host of The Big Sister, Unhinged Podcast, and she's trying to keep the legacy of her brother's life alive. You know what, Christine, I respect that so much. I did something in another way to keep the memory of my fiancé who was murdered alive to help other people because in a way,

you know, it keeps me connected to him and the thought of just forgetting about what happened is, well, I can't do that. It changed my whole life as it has yours. When you hear her whining to the mother who totally empowers her that she can't get an iPad fast enough and she doesn't have enough amusements behind bars exposing her breast to a visitor, she's not worried at all about Dominic or what happened. No, that's, and I really appreciate you bringing to light and exposing her and everybody in that, you know, that has anything to do with her.

I appreciate you helping our family bring that to light and exposing them for who they are. They've done a pretty good job, I think, of exposing themselves as you can hear what's going on. But it's, I try to stay away as best as I can, you know, scrolling through social medias and stuff. I can't stand looking at her face. the whining behind prison bars, it's like she's not getting, there is no punishment, it seems. Like, yeah, she's in jail, but she seems to be having a great time in jail. And that's where it's infuriating. Listen to McKenzie Shirilla behind bars.

The rumor mill is strong, okay? Damn, strong people are so sad and depressing. Like, they really have, like, nothing, like, credible. Nothing. This is the saddest town ever. Like, like, opened up in my courtroom for, like, the whole city to come and just, like, laxed him at all and, like, don't block anything. Right. Right.

That's all on the news. Yep. That's why I was hoping this one was going to be live streamed. But it wasn't. It was live stream. No, the end was, but not the whole thing. Just what the judge says was live streamed. But I was hoping the whole thing would have been.

But it wasn't. That's okay. Who cares? They're so stupid. Donnie. Yeah, I just can't wait for them to, like, they can't have so much explain. to do. Like there's so many like audience expect. They have so much explaining to do.

Joining me now in addition to Christine Russo, who is Dominic, older sister. Her podcast is The Big Sister Unhinged Podcast, Cheyenne Topping, who is intimately familiar with the goings-on behind bars with McKinsey-Shirilla. The divot demands are insane. Cheyenne, and now she's complaining her entire trial was not live streamed, just the end? What is wrong with her?

Yeah, that definitely sounds like McKenzie, because she is a person that is, like, very self-absorbed, so I'm not even surprised to hear that conversation coming from her and her mom, honestly. The diva demands seemingly have no end. She's gotten 36 tickets behind bars. What is a ticket? How do you get a ticket behind bars, Cheyenne topping? So a ticket is like a rule infraction. So if you break one of the rules, which I gave you a handbook when you come in, when you very come in. And if you break one of those, it's basically court inside a prison.

So you'll go in front of the sergeant, he'll read you your ticket, which could be like an out of place or as you all see, she has like, sex tickets. That's where you're like intimate with another inmate. So you go in front of the sergeant, he'll read it, and then ask you, guilty or not guilty. And if you're guilty and if it's a high enough ticket, you go to the hole. If not, you get like tablet restriction or early bed, stuff like that. You know, did she seem to care when she would be reprimanded or get a ticket, as it is called behind bars? When I was in there with her, she really did care about with getting tickets. She did not want to get tickets because she firmly believed she was going home on her appeal.

So now that all this is coming out, I'm not surprised because she did show showing her true character, and I could tell she's going to be on a path to destruction, honestly. More of McKenzie Sherilla, aka Hell on Wheels, caught on tape. I think that's why this is so popular. because it's a mystery, but it's not, it is, you know what I mean? I mean, like, can they, like, get a hypnotized person in this, like, make me remember? Like, that's what I would like. Yeah, I know.

I know me too, honey. Kind of said, also, bro, your eyes is guy is so big, El Mio. Like, I watched the live stream, and when you walked in, I was like, damn, Jay said the same thing. And you look really good. Did you get that metal off your arm yet? I noticed you weren't wearing your arm thing. Also, I will make sure to actually answer your calls. Kendra funny as fuck.

Everybody's saying you got a bump and a little booty now. Everybody. I said hashtag sick girl vibe. Hashtag fat booty. Hashtag sick girl vibe. Hashtag fat booty. Okay. Cheyenne Topping, you dated her behind bars for nearly a year.

She's worried or bragging. She's not worried. She's bragging about her. ass and how it looked on camera. McKenzie is just a whole other, whole another world when it comes to the attention. Positive or negative, she loves it all. It doesn't matter what it's for. Like, she would walk around in prison and ask people, do you want my autograph or ask the COs?

Like, do you guys know who I am? I'm viral. Now we hear McKenzie Sherilla, aka Hell on Wheels, kill two people. intentionally, found guilty, talking about feeling sick to her stomach. But she's not feeling sick to her stomach because of what Dr. Kendall Crowns just told us about what happened to the victims. You know what, I'm not going to tell you. Wait for it. Listen to this. I'm like sick to my stomach. I just like, it just like bothered me what they said. Like I just can't believe they would say that. Like, you know, I mean, the military, are you for real?

Oh, mom. That's a lie. That's a lie. Isn't that funny? They were trying to say that so they can They can sound like I think he said that so like the judge is like Oh he sounds very respectable young man And so they give me like I was like oh my God

Are you kidding? I literally like made my tears stop when they said that Like my tears just got all sucked right back up I couldn't even believe it Down with me beside his frick itself So she is sick to her stomach nauseated about How she was portrayed

Joel Wallman co-host and star of surviving the survivor, I think her priorities are bass-acquards. A hundred percent. You know, I'm just thinking about all this, listening to all the guests, and I literally cannot wrap my head around it. I mean, you just saw Jalen Brunson and Nix 1,

and they asked him afterwards, how do you feel? He said, I have no words. And that's kind of where I'm at right now as a journalist, because I've never seen anything like this. The only thing I can really come up with right now, and I'm afraid to say this, is McKenzie Shirilla might be the first of many that we see like this because of social media. She is, you know, obviously the TikTok generation, and they're now becoming old enough to be

incarcerated, and are all these people who are spending their entire day streaming video of themselves, are they going to be incarcerated one day and wonder, where are the live cams because that's what we're seeing in real time right now with mackenzie shirilla she is having a tantrum that she's not getting the attention that she deserves that she used to have on the outside when she was freely able to take part of the same you know another issue john mobly if by some crazy chance there is a new trial you do know that she is currently making any hope of a mental defense Mental defect defense or insanity? Impossible because there is no right to privacy behind bars.

These calls are rightfully and legally recorded. I would bring in everyone and just play them on a loop for the jury. I agree. I'm actually kind of surprised that she's making these statements while she's behind bars because any competent attorney would tell someone not to do that because if you are able to get a new trial, any post-trial statements you make, they're not, you know, while you're in custody, they're not make the law enforcement of violation Miranda. All those things can be used against you, either A, in the prosecution's case in chief, or B, it's sentencing. And I think, you know, and quite frankly, it kind of bitter in the behind-in-sentence in the first case because a lot of the social media posts she made and comments she made were used at the sentencing hearing by the prosecutors.

because, and the prosecutor's argued that she didn't have any remorse for her conduct, which led to her receiving a stiffer sentence. And I think, again, she just kind of from that point digging herself in the hole deeper and deeper and deeper if she does in fact get into trial. Listen to what Sherilla's father has to say. She has remorse. She was upset. If you would have heard her when she found out that Dom died, if you had heard the sound that came out of her,

it would have crushed you. I know my daughter didn't do it on purpose. I know when my daughter lies. My daughter should have been charged with vehicular homicide, two counts, and Juvie court, and it should never left. The juvenile judge took out the aggravated murder thing for the same reason I'm saying they should have never charged her because there's no intent. There's no prior calculation. There's no purpose. It's not there.

I actually feel bad for the dad. He is struggling with the concept of intent to commit a crime. Intent can be formed just like that. in the blink of a nine, the twinkling of a moment, and the time it takes you to pull a trigger, that's how fast intent under the law can be formed. It does not require a long, thought-out plan like poisoning someone over weeks and months.

It can be formed in the time it takes you to pull a trigger. So with her, as was proven in court, not taking her foot off the gas. Let's see that video of her flying by. Right there, there's intent. There you go. crashing and killing two people is time enough to form intent. Cheyenne Topping joining us,

Shirilla's prison girlfriend for nearly a year, she is trying everything possible to get a new trial, and she's got both of her parents bamboozled. Does she know she's got them wrapped around her little finger? She 100% knows that they're all on her side and going to be wrapped around her finger. She told me from in prison that they're all. behind her and even Lydid and told me Domain's sister was all behind her too as well.

Straight out to Christine Rousseau, this is Dominic's older sister and star of the Big Sister Unhinged podcast. There is no remorse. Has she ever told you, I'm sorry. I didn't mean for this to happen. No, she never told me she was sorry. She acted before she was arrested. She was arrested. She very much acted like it was an accident. But there was a ton of lies and her trying to cover up the entire time. But there was never responsibility taken or like an actual, I'm sorry, whatsoever. Back to Dr. Kendall Crown's renowned medical examiner. When you hear all of these diva demands from behind bars and we know an appeal is in the works,

could you again a reality check give us a reality check about what the victims cause of death were so the cause of deaths are blunt force injuries all these injuries the skull fractures the brain evulsion the crushing the chest the explosion of their heart lungs liver even their intestines all these combined together to make the cause of death blunt force injuries it's not a dramatic cause of death but it overlies the fact that they have all these crushing injuries, fractures of the ribs, pelvis, their legs, even their extremities, and then the crushing of the head. So cause death as blunt force

injuries. And when you listen to all her demands, you know, she just kind of sounds sad to me, but that's my opinion. Sad. She sounds like a self-entitled brat who cares nothing about the fact that she killed two people and threatened she would kill the boyfriend ahead of time. McKenzie Sherilla is a camera hog a real diva and she was only egged on by the Netflix documentary

The Crash released in May but trust me with her mother Natalie Sherilla egging her on this fight is far from over. We wait as justice unfolds and the fight goes on.

Nancy Grace, crime story signing off. my friend. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.