Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - HORRIFIC BODY-CAM INSIDE KOHBERGER MURDER SCENE, AFTER STATE STRIKES DEAL WITH THE DEVIL

Episode Date: January 2, 2026

Shocking evidence and video released from the Bryan Kohberger murder scene. The "deal with the devil" phrase used in the title refers to the controversial "plea deal" accepted by Bryan Kohberger in July 2025. Nancy Grace has all the details. The convicted murderer and "wanna be rapper" cowardly saves his on life from death "penalty" in exchange for a guilty plea and life in prison without parole. This outcome was met with public outrage and mixed reactions, feeling the state made an unfavorable deal by removing the possibility of capital punishment.  The body camera footage publicly released in August 2025, shows the initial entry of officers into the crime scene and their discovery of the victims. It captures the raw, immediate aftermath and the shock of the first responders and the distress of surviving roommates on the scene, though significant portions are redacted and victims' faces obscured.  The footage provides insight into the layout of the house and the conditions at the time of discovery.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Where are you? Up here? Hi, something is happening, no. I like calling your name and she wouldn't answer, and I saw the guy. What's wrong?

So y'all work at the university there? Actually, you're nothing. When those prison doors slam shot behind you, I hope that sound echoes in your heart for the rest of your meaningless days. On the evening of November 12th and into the early morning hours of November 13th, Kaylee and Madison arrived home at approximately 1.45 a.m. after visiting a local bar and a street food vendor. Ethan and Zana were also out in the community at Sigma Chi. and they arrived home at approximately 1.45 a.m.

Two surviving roommates who were also out in the community arrived home at approximately 1 a.m. Now we're getting a peek at what was happening in those early morning hours around 4 a.m. So far, we know they were all out really late. Some of them in a group. They were at a food truck. Everybody at that food truck and standing in the group

fell under suspicion. I recall there was a guy in the distance. All these people were tracked down and questioned. See the guy on the right kind of standing away? He was found. He was, everybody was found and questioned. So we know they were to food truck super, super early in the morning. I'm talking one, two, three a.m. We know they went home. We know some of them ordered like Uber Eats. These are the last known images of some of the victims. And this became an evidentiary football at the beginning of the investigation as L.A. law enforcement tried to track their last movements and who they would have come in contact with.

They go home, then naysayers immediately began vilifying Dylan and Bethany because they, quote, waited to call 911. But I want you to see the text conversation between Dylan and Bethany. No one is answering. I'm really confused right now. Yeah, dude, what the fuck? Zana was wearing all black. I'm freaking out right now. No, it's like a ski mask almost.

Shut the fuck up, actually? Like, he had something over his forehead and mouth. Bethany, I'm not kidding. I'm so freaked out. So am I. My phone is going to die. Come to my room. Run down here.

I'm screwed, though. Yeah, I know, but it's better than being alone. Sydney, Sumner, joining me, crime stories, investigative reporter. Sydney, let's put this into context. Of course, the cell phone data experts are going to know exactly what time these texts were going back and forth between them. Dylan Mortensen's phone was dying, and Bethany was trying to coax her to run to her room. Can you imagine running from room to room, knowing that there's an intruder or thinking there's an intruder in the home?

Tell me what you've gleaned about these text messages, Sidney. Nancy, I think these text messages are between two, two, two, verified coeds who don't know what's going on and have been out all night, partying, drinking. So unfortunately, they are not sober at this point. And their house is known to have sometimes strangers in it. They throw parties often. They have a lot of friends.

There are five people living there. So in terms of having a stranger in the house, that's not super uncommon for them. And even that this person was not somebody they recognized and freaked them out, they might not immediately call 911, not knowing whether or not this is someone who is supposed to be there at that point. On the morning of November 13th at 1158 a.m., a.m., a 911 call was placed. The call reported an unconscious person. The call originated from inside the residence and a surviving room. cell phone was used. 9-11 location of your emergency.

Hi, something is happening. Something happens in our house. We don't know what. What is the address of the emergency? 112. What is the rest of the address? Oh, King's Road. Okay.

And is that a house or an apartment? It's a house. Can you repeat the address to make sure? than I have it, right? I'll talk to you guys. We live at the lights, so we're next to them. I need someone to repeat the address for verification. The address?

1122 King Road. Tell me exactly what's going on. One of the roommates who passed out and she was drunk last night and she was not let me up. Okay. Oh, and they saw some man in their house outside. Yeah. Hi, is this.

And are you with the patient? Okay, I need someone to keep the phone. Stop passing it around. Can I just tell you what happened pretty much? What is going on currently? Is someone passed out right now? I don't really know, but pretty much at 4 a.m. Okay, I need to know what's going on right now if someone is passed out. Can you find that out? Yeah, I'll come. Come on, let me got to go check. But we have to. And there you hear the surviving victim speaking.

and she begins to tell what happened. She says pretty much at 4 a.m. And the dispatch operator cuts in and goes, yeah, I don't need to know that. I need to know. If somebody passed out, can you find that out? Okay, let's keep going. She's not going.

She's not waking up. Okay, one moment I'm getting help started that way. Okay, thank you. Okay, and how old is she? Um, she's 20. 20? 20, you said? Yes, 20.

Okay. Hello? Hello? Okay. I need someone to stop passing the phone around because I've talked to four different people. Okay. Sorry, they just gave me the phone. Is she breathing?

Hello? Is she breathing? No. Okay. Okay. I can't talk to them. I need you to talk to them. Okay.

Hello. Okay. Okay. I have already sent the ambulance and law enforcement stay on the line. If there is a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it. Say that again? There's a police here right now. Okay.

If there's a defibrillator available, send someone to get it now and tell me when you have it. We don't have... We don't have... Do you have a defibrillator? Yes, you have one. Are you talking to the officer? Yes. Okay.

I'm going to let you go since he's there with you and... can help you. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Moscow police officers responded and found two victims, two on the second floor and two on the third floor of 1122 King Road. Inside Hell, H.E.

Double L, horrific new body cam video emerging inside the murder scene. And it reveals the truth. Where's she at? Yep. Where's she at? Where's she at? She just so, so, it. Yes.

She's numbers. Where at? Up here. I'm here. I'm sure. You got her to call for a lot that someone, you know, to her what is in the middle, and I just came to checking here and using what I just found. And I checked this is usually to bring in the cheese. And I do it check for me.

yet. Let's slow down. Just come here. There's two. It's like fatalities. Sydney, what we're hearing is the officer who arrives at the scene. There are four people standing outside. Let's see the video.

The group is huddled outside. And we hear the officer speaking to the friend, Hunter Johnson. And Johnson is saying, up here, up here, I just came to check in here, and this is what I found. I checked to see if she's breathing and she's, I think this is going to be not. I didn't check him yet, referring to Ethan. Then you hear a Moscow first responder state looks like dead bodies. Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home after getting that 911 call. And during that call, the girls in the house tried to explain what happened that they think they saw someone at 4 a.m.

But the officer, the dispatcher just wants to know exactly who they can try and help. So immediately after we see what we saw in the cut that just played, ENTs start rushing up to the house. And this officer, who was the first on scene, who first went to check on everything, he has to stop. this group of 25 EMTs that show up to the house and say, you know, we don't think we need your services. Nobody's allowed to leave for now, okay? Just sit here for me, please. Here, can you guys go over to the dumpster for me, please? We're clear. Let me just secure the outside first.

There's a back entry. going to start taping it all off. You're trying to keep it outside out. I've got two. I've got two right two dead bodies. I got two right here. The house is clear. In other words, the house is clear. In other words, the suspect's not there. There's not a live suspect there. The house is clear to walk through. And they shut the dog, which is common,

because you don't know when the dog's going to go crazy and start biting you. Shut the dog in there. I'm curious where he shut the dog. But before I analyze that, I want you to hear more from the survivors. This is Dylan Mortensen. Listen.

All right. What do you remember seeing? What started? I remember I was in my room and I was trying to get a bed. and I heard Kaylee, who, um, ex-girlfriend, who goes hard to dog and her. Real fast. Which one is your room? Kaylee.

Which one is your room? What room are you in? You were in that room? My room, not in this room. My room. And your room is this one right here? Next to the stairs. That one, second floor. Okay. All I heard was, I heard her heard, go upstairs. Like, okay, I'm going to go to sleep now because she's going upstairs. And you heard who go upstairs?

Kaylee and the dog Murphy. And upstairs to the very top? Yeah, that's where her room is. Sydney, what is probative about that body camp we just showed? What does this prove, Sydney? So first we have to get in our minds that the entire time Dylan and sis, Kaylee went upstairs. Kaylee screamed.

Kaylee ran down the stairs. And the officer even points this out later. He says to another officer, she somehow knows. She was somehow able to discern this with Kaylee. But we don't think that's actually true. So we have to think about the layout of the house. So Kaylee and Maddie were asleep upstairs. Zana's room was on the second floor where Dylan's room was.

So the only thing that makes sense for somebody to have ran down those stairs is Zana. Not Kaylee, not Maddie. So we have to get that in our heads as we're listening to Dylan's recollection of events. But it just proved to me that someone was there. These women are correct. Someone was in their house. Sid, do you think at the time when we think, Kelly, was saying, hey, I'm going to go to bed. I'm going to go to sleep.

Do you think he was already in the house? Because now I believe that he was already in. in there waiting for them to go to sleep. I don't think that they all went to their beds and then he snuck in. I agree with you. And we also learn later that Maddie was the last person to take Murphy out. So Maddie checks in with Dylan and Bethany one more time. Hey, I lost Murphy. I can't get him to come inside. Is he with either of y'all? She is looking for the dog. So again, this dog, who they described for weeks was on edge before the murders, who was constantly going off into the woods and wouldn't come back when called,

just acting very, very oddly. Does the same thing this night when they're taking him out for the last time. So I'm kind of feeling like someone was watching as they took the dog out for the very last time and maybe snuck in just behind them as they brought the dog in. And then ultimately her walking up, I heard a scream and she ran upstairs because she saw someone. That's what I'm pretty sure she said. She's, someone's here, and she screamed and just ran downstairs, and I called for her name, but I jumped up and locked my door because I was so scared. And then, and I heard someone in the bathroom, and I heard her crying, and I heard some guys say that you're going to be okay, I'm going to help you.

And I kept calling her name, but she wasn't answering. And then I opened the door for a second, and I saw this guy, and he was not insanely tall, but he was all black and, like, this mask, which is covering his forehead and his mouth. And then I locked the door, and I called back, and I didn't know. what to do. This was at four this morning. You left here? I left my room down to the bedroom. She's that one with the white blind at the very bottom. I ran down there and we talked and we just locked the door. We didn't think anything of it. We're like, nothing happens in Moscow.

So we just like try to go to bed. And then we woke up and it was weird because none of our roommates were up. And we called all of them. They were not waking up. And so me and this is weird. So I called and I come over. And then that's what all this happened. Who all lives here with you? me is that woman right there um who's the same

is Anna is the girl in there is the girl that is this one yeah okay how do you spell her name Z I mean X-A-N-A do you know she has a middle name

Alexis I think do you know what her last name is pronodal K I don't know how to spell it like K you know R and O-D-L K A-E-R

K-E-R. K-E-R. N-O. N-O. L-E. D-L-E? Okay. X-A-N-A.

X-A-N-A. Okay. He's been there who's in there. He doesn't actually live here, but he's here at the table all the time. He's in a male that lives here? He doesn't actually live in the Renzhena, I believe. He's in there right now. But he doesn't live everybody's here a lot.

And then there's Maddie, Mogan, and Kaley up top. I don't know where they're at, though. Describe the guy that you saw. I don't think he was a little bit taller than me. And I couldn't really see much of him, but I'm almost positive. He was wearing a full black outfit. And he had this mask that was just over his forehead and over his mouth, and he didn't see anything to me at all.

I just shut the door and locked it because I didn't know what to do. And I think he went out, like, the side door, the sliding door in the kitchen that goes out to the backyard. Okay. And then I didn't know anything else, but I called me. And I was like, I just need to come downstairs and find you because I don't know where anyone else is. And I called Maddie, I called Dana, I called Kaylee. No one would answer.

I heard her scream and run, like, run as fast as she could downstairs. And she said, someone's here. She ran downstairs? Yes, I can hear, you can hear everything. I'm not sure I heard her to run downstairs really fast. And then I heard Murphy barking a lot. Okay. Okay.

And then I heard her going to the, I think it was the bathroom, and I remember her sobbing. And I just remember her in this guy's voice and I didn't recognize saying, you're going to be okay, I'm going to help you, but it wasn't like, I don't know how to explain it. Like it wasn't in like a nice way, it was like a weird way, like a weird tone. You're going to be okay. I'm going to help you. Yeah. And you didn't hear anything from Kaylee anymore?

No, except that. I didn't hear anything. And then me, Maddie, about Murphy, and then... And then... Murphy's a dog? Yeah. Okay. And then I went inside, go to bed, and she was so taken to know.

And then I was in my bed, like, about a girl, and Maddie just said that she lost Murphy. Like, she was, like, she was, like, and was wondering if he was left me, and I just said no. And then I went to bed. And what time do you think she'll sleep? Um, maybe two, three, three... You see what's happening here? happening here. All the speculation about the dog, he had been there before, and he had befriended the dog. He knew Murphy, and Murphy was part, Murphy, the dog, was part of the scenario that

night. Hey, Rufus. She's saying this one's wrong for. There's a guy, black mask, was in there. She recognized him. She, and she heard her girl screaming upstairs. She got scared. walked yourself in the room and then the screening all stopped she's pretty sure that this masked person went out that back and right now getting all the information she knows only two girls are out there i haven't told her who's deceased but they just have four people that are on account for right now which um okay Who's dog? Who's dog?

Who wants a dog? Crime stories with Nancy Grace. And again, as Sidney told us earlier, we find out the only one that knew what had really happened was Hunter Johnson, the kid that had his hands up over his head in anguish, listening. to Hunter Johnson. I forgot you were here, man. Do you still want to hang out here? I just want to know what's going on. Yeah.

I don't know how much I don't want to disclose right now. We're processing what's going on in the scene. As soon as we know for sure, we can tell you guys what's going on, we absolutely will. I know it sucks to be in the dark with this, but... Okay. And what's your relationship again? Okay. Yeah, I mean, as soon as I know we're able to fill you in

and what's going on, we'll let you know, okay? The results of autopsy's indicated that the four were stabbed multiple times and were likely asleep during the attack. Some had defensive wounds, and there was no sign. of sexual assault. Video surveillance shows a white sedan passing in the King Road address. The sedan returns and stops in front of the King Road address. Sixteen minutes later, the white sedan scratches off,

taking off like a bat out of hell at a high speed, leaving the King Road address. We're looking for a 2011 to a 2013 Hyundai Alontera. So any assistance you can give us, anybody that owns one, anybody that knows of someone who owns one or may have been driving one, if you could get a hold of us through our tip line or call us directly, we'd appreciate that. Detective's arrested 28-year-old Brian, Christopher Colberger,

in Albrightville, Pennsylvania on a warrant for murder of Ethan, Zana, Madison, and Kaylee. Coburger resides in Pullman, Washington, and is a graduate student at Washington State University. Just around 3 a.m., in fact, it might have been even a little earlier, a man named Brian Christopher Coburger was taken into custody in Albrightville, Pennsylvania. That is nearly 3,000 miles away. In fact, much more, more than 2,500 miles away from the crime scene here in Moscow, Idaho.

Let's see the timeline. Isn't it true, Caitlin Kornick, joining us from the sun, that Koberger, we can prove turned his phone off and on the night of the murders. Yes. 242, his phone is on at his apartment in Pullman. 247, he turns his phone off. Who on this panel turns your phone off when you're going driving in the middle of the night?

I would keep mine on just in case I had a 911. Anyway, he turns his off. We know that, and that is irrefutable. 247, this guy is up and about turning his phone off. 329, not cell phone, but video surveillance from a nearby home, a residence, shows a white sedan passing in the King Road address that looks, oops, just like his white elytra. 404, the sedan returns and stops in front of the King Road address.

420, 16 minutes later, the white sedan scratches off, taking off like a bat out of hell at a high speed, leaving the King Road address. And then 28 minutes later, that phone is turned back on, and it's pinging south of Moscow, Idaho, State Highway 95. The defense is arguing that Coburger was driving south of Pullman, where he goes to school at Washington State University, and west of Moscow. Coburger's residence on the left. I drove it myself. It's about a eight and a half to 12-minute drive

from Coburger's apartment to the crime scene where the victims lived on King Road. Defense claiming, Coburger driving south of Pullman, and that's Pullman, Washington, and west of Moscow, Idaho, quote, as he often did to hike and run or see the moon and stars.

The two towns, Pullman and Moscow, are only 10 miles apart. It's a really quick drive compared to his long circuitous route he took home when he turned his cell phone back on. Idaho murder suspect Brian Coburger gets pulled over by law. enforcement two times, not just in one day, but actually within minutes of each other on his way for Thanksgiving break to his parents' home near the Poconos. I've just got to say two times within minutes, that's no coincidence. How y'all doing today? Good, good. Take a look your driver's license real quick if I could. See, he's right up on that van, man. You right up on

the back end of that van pulled you over for tailgating. Is this your car? Okay, cool. Where are you headed? Well, we're coming from WSU. Where are you headed? He later says we're going for Thai food, and the dad's like what? You were seeing body cam video when a handker. When a handker County, Indiana Sheriff's Department body cam, when they pull them over and asked to see Coburger's driver's license. Now, it was argued back and forth, and I claimed vehemently, that this was no coincidence because there were two pullovers by local LE law enforcement in one trip home. When does that happen? How often do you get pulled over? I rarely get pulled over. So, you get pulled over twice and you never even get a ticket. Oh, no, that stunk to high

heaven. With me right now, Howard Bloom, author of a brand new book, when the night comes falling, a Requiem for the Idaho student murders, which is amazing. And in his book, he outlines how these two pullovers nearly cost the FBI, their investigation, or so they think. thought, take a listen to more of the pullover. So we're, okay, I'm having a hard time hearing it because of the traffic. So you're coming from Washington State University and you're going where? Oh We're going to

Oh, okay We're a slightly much Right to the hour To Howard Bloom I'm going to circle back To the fact that Unasked

He starts talking about Swat's team Swat team swarming the area Me think Thou doth protest too much In the immortal words In William Shakespeare Nobody asked, nobody asked about the Idaho murders, yet he's bleh.

He's just regurgitating, vomiting the information when nobody asked. But I want to circle back to the so-called hatbox operation that you describe so well in your book when the night comes falling. Explain, and why did the FBI, who absolutely was following Coburger, as he and his dad across the country, thought that their entire operation may go up in flames. Well, as you point out, the FBI decided that Koberger was a person of interest. They decided this earlier before they even told the Moscow Task Force. They kept this to themselves for either one of two reasons. The first reason was that the identification was based on genealogy, genetics, investigative genetic genealogy.

and they thought that wouldn't hold up in court, or a much more cynical explanation would be that the FBI didn't want to share the credit for Coburg's arrest with anyone else. So they go off and follow him, and they have cars, they have a plane in the air that's following his route, and suddenly they see Coburger being stopped,

and they don't know what's going on, and they don't know what to do. They think a local cop, a local sheriff, a local sheriff had seen the be on the lookout for notice and swooped in on this Hyundai Alantra or they're also wondering how is Coburger going to react and he is a suspect in a quadruple homicide is he going to get on the you know put his foot on the accelerator and tear out or perhaps he's going to shoot anything as possible of the officers who's coming in to give him this traffic ticket. Then nine minutes later. And it's almost laughable, Howard, because the FBI actually has a

bird in the air watching. And they see one pullover by the Hancock County sheriffs. And Coburger goes on his way. And then there's another pullover. Don't you know, they're like, what is happening down there? Why are they pulling over our quadruple murder suspect? I'm sure they were just, and they couldn't say anything. And they're watching from a bird, right? Yes, they have assessed and they're flying overhead. You know, it's a hawk waiting to swoop down in case anything happens in effect. And they've been building this case for six weeks and they're finally getting closer. And they think the whole case is going to be blown apart before they've connected all the dots. And they are filled with a sense of panic. But discipline rate. Well, you know what, Howard?

They were right. And this is no. offense to Indiana at all. But I understand where the FBI is coming from, and you know how much I hate the feds. But that said, Chris McDonough joining me, Director Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective, and star of the interview room on YouTube. Chris, if they had stopped Coburger and he nutted up and they arrested him or sped off, anything could have happened because we can't, we can't predict what Coburger is going to do, just like his father. He had no idea what his son might do. We would never have gotten the evidence that we got when they finally got home to the Pocono area.

Remember, they were surveilled. They went in finally or in the early morning hours. They catch him. I think in his shorts or underwear wearing plastic gloves and separating his trash from everybody else's trash. And they see him go throwing trash in the neighbor's receptacle. None of that would have happened. if local authorities had arrested Coburger for a traffic violation, or if Coburger spun out and brought about his own arrest.

So I understand why they were worried. Yeah, and absolutely. And not only that, you remember this officer is leaning in. So if he would have seen anything in plain view, any blood transfer or anything like that, well, the clock starts ticking right then and there. If this officer starts diving into this traffic stop, that you may have this fugitive task force surveillance team, you know, overhead and behind them going, hey, what the heck is going on here? You know, this thing could have gone south really fast, but fortunately, they cut them loose, and they were able to connect those stuff. There's a mass shooting in everything.

Where? Mr. Taylor, is Mr. Culberger prepared to plead to these charges? You are going to be standing silent. Because Mr. Coburger is standing silent, I'm going to enter not guilty pleas on each charge. Counts one, two, three, four, and five. During the quiet morning hours of November 13, 2020, A faceless coward reached the tranquillity of six beautiful young people and senselessly slaughtered them, four of them. Who committed this unspeakable evil was unknown for several weeks, but due to the killers' incompetence and outstanding police work by numerous local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies.

The person that slithered through that sliding glass door at 1122 King Road now stands before the world and this court unmasked. This unfathomable and senseless act of evil has caused immeasurable pain and loss. No parent should ever have to bury their child. This is the greatest tragedy that can be inflicted. that can be inflicted upon a person. Brian Coburger takes a plea deal to save his own skin. Why was that allowed?

How in the world did Brian Coburger escape trial? In the last hours, that deal with the devil goes down in open court, but I want you to see the prosecutor choking on his own words, breaking down, crying in court. Watch. On November 13th, 2022, excuse me.

Ms. Koeberger entered the residence of 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho. He did that with the intent to kill. We will not represent that he intended to commit all of the murders that he did that night, but we know that that is. what resulted, and that he then killed intentionally, willfully, deliberately, with premeditation and with malice forethought, Maddie Mogan, Kaylee Gonzalves, Ethan Chapin, and Santa Cruz. Really? Save it.

Your tears mean nothing. You stood there, and you took the deal. over the objections of some victim's families. And I agree with them. At first I thought it wouldn't happen. I thought maybe the media was wrong. Reports could be wrong, couldn't they? But then it went down in the last hours in a court of law.

It's done. It's over. Brian Koberger will never face the death penalty. He won't even face trial. The victim's families will never have answers. Listen to what Steve and Christy Gonsolvis say about this plea deal. We lost our minds. We were in that meet.

I mean, we were screaming. We were cussing. We were yelling. We were saying, why did you do this? How did you do this? You know, what happened? You just talked to us on Friday and told us that, you know, you had every anticipation of taking this all the way. He accepted the plea deal within the same hour that he got it.

This man never wanted to fight for our children. Literally, I mean it. They fought for their lives for their very last breath, and this man had no fighting it. They fought hard all the way to the end, and he gave up within an hour of being given an opportunity to quit on these kids. Did you, on November 13, 2022, enter the residence at 1122 King Road in Moscow, Idaho, with the intent to commit the felony crime of murder? Yes. Did you, on November 13, 2012, in Laita County, state of Idaho,

kill and murder, Madison, Mogan, a human being? Yes. And did you do that willfully, unlawfully, deliberately, and with premeditation and malice of forethought? Yes. Did you honor about that same date in Moscow, Idaho, kill, and murder, Kaylee Gonzalez, a human being. Yes. And did you do that willfully, unlawfully, deliberately, and with premeditation and malice of forethought? Yes. And did you on that same day in Moscow, Idaho,

kill and murder, Zana Kurnodal, a human being? Yes. And did you do that willfully, unlawfully, deliberately with premeditation and malice of forethought? Yes. And then on, we're about November 13th, 2022, again in Laetoc County, Idaho. Did you kill and murder Ethan Chapin, a human being? Yes. Did you do that willfully, unlawfully, deliberately with premeditation and malice of Borthod? Yes. With respect to count one, burglary felony, how do you plead Mr. Colberger, guilty or not guilty?

Guilty. As to count two, murder in the first degree, the murder of Madison, Mogan. How do you plead guilty or not guilty? Guilty. As to count three for the murder. of Kaylee Gonzalvis, how do you plead guilty or not guilty? Guilty. As to count four, first-degree murder of Xana Kronodal, human being, how do you plead guilty

or not guilty? Guilty. As to count five, first-degree murder of Ethan Chapin, how do you plead guilty or not guilty? Guilty. Guys, we're showing you photos of the victims in this case who were brutally murdered. From the beginning, we were told they were murdered in their sleep. That's not true. That is not true.

Joining me, Susan Hendrix, you know her well. She's been with us all day long outside the courthouse. She's the author of Down the Hill, My Descent, Into the Double Murder in Delphi, and now she has latched onto this case like nobody's business. I want to welcome Susan Hendricks for being with us. Susan, we found out now that Zana had come down the stairs, And she fought for her life. She fought for her life. That's nothing like what we were told to start with. Absolutely.

And when new details come out, they're just more excruciating for the family. We have heard that maybe she saw something, heard something, was getting, of course, the door dash, as you know. And then maybe he chased her. You mentioned, and I thought this was key, that this is all they had was today.

I was in the courtroom, and I could see it, Nancy, building the tension. Kelly's father, his knee was shaking. He was to the right of me. And his knee was shaking, and I could tell he was going through what he was going to say. So he's almost like practicing. And it's all they had, and they gave it everything. They've been wanting to say this for so long, everything that they wanted to say.

My sister, Kaylee, and her best friend, Maddie, were not yours to take. You're a delusional, pathetic, hypochondriac loser. Oh, man. You're going to go to hell. You're evil. There's no place for you in heaven. Today you have no name. Nobody cares about you.

You're a joke. Complete joke. You will be forgotten, discarded, used, and erased. If you hadn't attacked them in their sleep, in the middle of the night, like a pedophile, Kaylee would have kicked your f***ing ass. Thank you. Thank you.

The families of the first of the first. victims filing out of that courtroom. Many people call it closure. Let me inform you. There is no such thing as closure when the person you love the most is murdered. All right, Mr. Coburger, uh, you have an opportunity to make a statement. If you wish to, I take it, you are declining. I respectfully decline. I'm unable to come up with anything redeeming about Mr. Coburger because his grotesque acts of evil. have buried and hidden anything that might have been good or intrinsically human about him. His actions have made him the worst of the worst. Even in pleading guilty,

he is giving nothing hinting of remorse or redemption, nothing suggesting, even a recognition or understanding, let alone regret for the pain that he has caused. And therefore, I will not attempt to speak about him further other than to simply sentence him so that he is forever removed from civilized society. I hereby sentence Mr. Kohlberger as follows. On count one, burglary, 10 years fixed, zero years indeterminate. Count two, first-degree murder of Madison Mogan. I sentence the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment

without the possibility of parole. On count three, for first-degree murder of Kaylee-Gonsolvis, I sentence the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. On count four, for the first degree murder of Santa Cernodle, I sentence the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. On count five, for the first degree murder of Ethan Chapin, I sentence the defendant to a fixed term of life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. The sentences on counts one, two, three, four, and five shall run consecutively to one another.

Zana was everyone's best friend. She knew how precious and special life was. Yet, her story was cut short by an act of evil. They were two pieces of a whole, the perfect yin and yang. Mandy was her gift of life, our purpose, and our hope. We will grow old without our only child. leaked jail videos of Brian Koberger with bright red hands, red, red compared to the rest of his arm, bright red hands as American psycho-type shirtless selfies emerge on his phone.

And straight out to Annie Elise joining us, creator, CEO of Tinta Life. Annie, thank you for being with us. Let's look at the, oh, look at the hands. We're looking at it right now. I don't know if you can see it on your monitor. And here he is obsessively cleaning the cracks and the little line that goes around the bottom of your shoe. What? He got it muddy behind bars? No, but he's re-cleaning and re-cleaning his shoes. And looking around awkwardly, looks very much. You know, this is telling me something else. It's telling me that the way he looked in sentencing and the way he looked in court is how he really looks. Kind of a blank, dead stare?

Okay. First of all, I want to analyze everything I can glean from this leaked video, and who leaked it is anybody's guess. You know, jails are falling over themselves to say, it's not ours, it's not ours. Hey, it's somebody's. Straight out to Annie, Elise, Annie, what do you observe in the video?

I think it's so interesting because, of course, everybody is glued to this, trying to analyze it, because it's really the first movements we have seen it for three years of him. And we know we've heard that he has OCD, so he's carefully cleaning the shoe, but I think what strikes everybody as odd is when he's done cleaning it, he puts that tissue up on top of the cage, and he just stares there. very still, very intently, looking above the monitor that's in that cage, and almost looks as though he's just thinking or evaluating it, and it's really eerie. The video is infuriating victims' rights advocates who think about brutality and how these

four beautiful young students were murdered, and now he has what, a penthouse suite at the jail. He's got a huge bed by jailhouse standards as opposed to a bunk. He has, look at this, plenty of walking around room, shelves, multiple pairs of shoes. He's doing fine. The elite video has yet to be verified by authorities, but now his selfies, his freaky American psychotype selfies are emerging. Listen. Besides the chilling selfie he took, giving the thumbs up hours after murdering four university students, Koberger's cell phone is filled with creepy selfies posing shirtless and flexing his muscles. I've got to talk to Susan Hendricks joining us about the creepy selfies, the shirtless selfies, new ones that have just emerged.

Oh, dear Lord, I'm going to have to report on them. Just hold that. What the hay? What? Okay. Tell me, Susan. Tell me what this is and why I'm having to look at Coburger without a shirt on, flexing and staring into the camera. Why is this happening? Yeah, they are cringeworthy. And for the company that looked through his data, his cell phone, they found out that he... Does he actually have his pants pulled down toward his crotch so I can see more of his belly button? hair? You know, like in a Sports Illustrated magazine, you know, cover, the swimsuit is pulled

down just a tantalizing bit too low. Is that what he's doing? Ew. Ew. It's gross. It's cringe-worthy. I feel sorry for the families, so I have to look at that. And I was looking at each picture, getting grossed out, by the way, but kind of wondering, what is he thinking there? He didn't send these to anyone there for himself. It reminded me of American Psycho. That movie, just loving himself, it is cringeworthy, disgusting there. He is flexing. It's perplexing, seeing all this evidence of what was on his phone. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Joining us forensics expert, psychologist, Dr. Sherry Schwartz, his obsession with American psycho? I don't get it. But can I talk to you about his preening in front of the camera and flexing? And what it means, it's like Monk. Did you ever see Monk? Muck only wore a certain, he's a brilliant homicide investigator. He only wore one type of shirt every day. I think it was a pale blue button down, just like in this case. Occasionally, Koberger would go crazy and wear a white button down. But that said, they're lined up behind him and some of the shots. What is this revealing to you? Because the crime scene is blood soaked. It looks like a Jackson Pollock. The closet and the home where he takes these pictures is like bleached clean. And there's

this freaky row of all blue button down shirts. behind him. What is that, Dr. Sherry? I mean, a part of it could be his fascination with some level of fame, even if it is something he'll keep internally to feel better about himself, that he's just like Christian Vail and American Psycho, but he'll do it better and not get caught. We know how that worked out. Um, these selfies are disturbing because we know that they're not being sent to anyone. They would be disturbing if they're being sent to someone. They would be disturbing if they're being sense of someone. But in this case, these are for him. And so it suggests to me that he has some

sort of internal dialogue going on where he's fascinated with this idea of murder. Hold on, Dr. Sherry, Dr. Sherry, Dr. Sherry, wait, I want you to look at the screen right now. Okay, Susan Hendricks, he is saluting the camera. Now, is this particular shot. This was taken after the murders, correct, Susan Hendricks? It absolutely was. And you see that on his knuckle there, the injury. Brian Koberger is contesting his plea deal, reneging on some of the orders in exchange for life over the death penalty?

Can the case now go to trial? It's my understanding to Dave Matt, Crime Stories investigative reporter, that Kovberger is balking at paying for the, the victims' earns and other expenses, right? Exactly, Nancy. The shocking part of it is that in that plea deal, all of this was already negotiated.

All of this was part of it so that he could avoid going to trial and avoid the needle or the gun. And yet now they're going back in and saying, well, we need to send this to the mathematicians that accounting at the state to determine whether or not he's able to pay for it because he's in prison for the rest of his life. And that actually is something that he's not allowed to do. This plea bargain said he could not go back later and appeal it.

He couldn't contest any aspect of it. And in so doing, Nancy, I wonder, why have they not already said, boom, over, you're going to trial? Well, the judge seems to agree with you, Dave Mack. Listen to Hippler. So you took advantage of the plea agreement to get the benefit of the bargain regarding the state's dropping of the death penalty, why should you not be held to the plea agreement to pay the victims the costs of interning their children? I mean, for Pete's sake, does Judge Hippler have to feed the prosecution with a silver spoon?

Here's your way out of this disastrous plea deal. Out of all of your lies and your secret deals, Coburger is content. testing restitution. That was part of the deal. So deal is off. I mean, can the judge make it any more clear? Listen to Hippler. What's the point of the plea agreement on restitution if the defense is able to argue against the restitution called for in the plea agreement itself? And it's not an issue, is it, to Annie, at least joining us from serulously. Annie, he's got at least a five-figure amount of money in his commissary account. It's unbelievable.

First and foremost, the fact that people are sending an admitted quadruple murderer, tens of thousands of dollars, then for him to be contesting payment, the restitution that is outlined. And I'm sorry, but $3,000 for the earns, is that the going rate these days for a life? It's just if he's afforded these comforts of ramen, toilet trees, different treats with his commissary, why should he get more comfort than the victims were ever afforded? Straight out to Christy and Steve Gonzalez joining us. The fact that Coburger is contesting issues within the plea deal. That's not the banner. The important part of this, we know

he's contesting paying restitution. Could that end up? and rescind, renege the plea deal. Because if he is backing out of conditions of the plea deal, then the deal is off. Have you considered this could take the case to trial if Kodberger himself is refusing to pay restitution as ordered in the plea deal? I would love for that to happen, but I feel like it's all just games and none of it is taken serious.

Like, oh, he doesn't want to pay his restitution, slap, slap, slap. can't do that pay your restitution move on well this is what it boils down to steve let's look at this so i take a plea deal 20 to serve all right and the defendant then goes yeah i'm not going to do that i'm not i'm not going to do 20 well then the deal is off pay your restitution is an important part of that deal and if coburger contest it fine i'd be mad if he didn't Now let's go to trial. That is possible. He's reneging on the deal.

That's on him. So what you'd have to do, what we would have to do, is get Thompson off this case. He can't try this case. Someone else, an independent prosecutor, would have to try it. Which would be great. I would love to see that. This guy has been trying to control the narrative, you know, P.K., from the very beginning. The minute he even got in prison, he started writing up complaints.

and started doing formalities and saying, you're going to transfer me, you're going to do this, you're going to do that. We've got to just put our foot down to these kind of psychopath killers and stop entertaining them and stop treating them with baby gloves. It's just disgusting. And we're doing it all the way up three years later. Joining us tonight, Christy and Steve Gonzalez.

Thank you for being with us. I know that every time you have to talk about this, It just brings it all up again. If you could have your wish, which of course would be to have Kaylee back, what is your wish, Christy? The wish of wanting Kaylee back is obviously that that's not possible. So my only other wish would be for him to hurry up and take his last breath. Him being dead would be great. I would try to make something positive out of it as much as you possibly can.

and I feel like that's what me, Livy, and the family's doing is we're trying to put some actions. We're trying to rally around anyone who see something disgusting and puts their foot down and says, all right, I've had enough. I think that's the best we can do. And if we can take this murder and all the people's attention on it and say, hey, there's no point of having red flags if we're not doing something about it. And we see all these killers and we look back at their past behaviors and there's all these red flags, but just not enough action behind them. People just dodging the bullets just saying, we didn't know.

He was a normal person. No, you did know. There was things there. There was girls making complaints all around this individual over and over. And you just refuse to listen to him. You just refuse to do something when they were crying out for help. And it's happening all the way to today. We're going to lose tens of $1,000 because the prosecutor refused to help us.

He couldn't do it. He didn't. Whatever the reason, he failed us. There could be a way around this deal with the devil. But now will it happen? I am begging the feds to intervene. I am begging a court to investigate this and appoint an independent prosecutor. How can we stand by and hear these families pain and do nothing?

The current U.S. attorney for the Idaho district is Bart M. Davis. Repeat, Bart M. Davis. The number 208-334-1-2-1-211. 2-8-334-1-1. You have the knowledge. Use it. Is there a way out of this deal with the devil? the local prosecutor struck with Brian Coburger? Can we get Coburger to trial? Now, we remember an American hero

Border Patrol Agent Freddie Ortiz, U.S. Department Homeland Security, killed in the line of duty after 13 years serving and protecting leaving behind his grieving mother. American Hero

Patrol Agent Freddie Ortiz. Thank you to our guest tonight, but especially to you for being with us. Nancy Gray, signing off for tonight. I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend.