Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - 'HOT' KILLER-NANNY POSTS SEXY BATHTUB SELFIES WITH MARRIED IRS AGENT BANFIELD BEFORE WIFE MURDERED: Verdict In

Episode Date: February 2, 2026

Brendan Banfield and au pair Juliana Magalhães carry on an affair for months. Banfield begins creating the murder plan after telling Magalhães he wants to get rid of his wife and divorce is not an option. He doesn't want to spend the money, nor does he want to share custody of their 4-year-old daughter. The jury has heard the murder plan Banfield came up with...a home invasion that involves giving Magalhaes a gun and instructing her to call Christine's phone when Joseph Ryan enters the home. Magalhaes is then supposed to call Banfield as he waits at a McDonald's near the home. Peres Magalhaes says Banfield changes his regular routine leading up to the murders so it would not seem out of routine for him to be at the McDonald's at that time of the morning.  Ryan is shot by Magalhães, then Christine is stabbed to death by her husband.  Magalhães confesses to police. Now a jury weighs in.  Joining Nancy Grace today: Mark Tate - Trial Lawyer, The Tate Law Group  Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker," featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive  Dr. Kendall Crowns - Chief Medical Examiner Tarrant County (Ft Worth), Host of Podcast "Mayhem in the Morgue”, Lecturer: Burnett School of Medicine at TCU (Texas Christian University)  Gigi McKelvey - Journalist, Host: “Pretty Lies and Alibis” prettyliesandalibis.org, Facebook, IG, TikTok: @PrettyLiesAndAlibis, Twitter: @PrettiesLiesAlibi,  Dave Mack - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories' See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The so-called hot killer nanny posting sexy bathtub selfies with her married IRS agent boyfriend, Banfield, before his wife is murdered in a bizarre fetish BDSN, that's bondage and sadomasochism. plot. That's right out of a Hollywood movie. But sadly, Christine is dead. And her little girl says to the killer nanny, can I call you mommy? Makes my skin crawl. And you know, Christine up in heaven is flipping backflips. Wait till I show you the body cam video of the killer nanny

hugging all over the baby. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Go back to 911. Where's our emergency? I need help. My friends

would get me with a step in the night and how to be really know what. And then I asked him, we're going to divorce her. He said, that's not what I'm thinking about. And then that's, he explained that he was thinking about finding a way to just get rid of her for all of the picture. Talk about a serious makeover.

Let's just see, don't need to hear it yet, see the body cam video of the nanny, hyperventilating, pretend, hyperventilating out in the front yard. Christine has about a three inch stabloom to her neck upstairs, okay? There she is doing deep breathing exercises at the behest of the police. While Christine, the mommy, is upstairs with about a three-inch knife wound to her neck. Let me see that sound one more time. Then I asked him, will you divorce her? And he said, that's not what I'm thinking about.

Then I asked him, we're going to divorce her. He said, that's not what I'm thinking about. And then he explained that he was thinking about finding a way to just get rid of her for out of the picture. Okay. You know, let me understand something, Dr. Bethany Marshall. I need to speak to a shrink before I even go to our investigative reporters. This is the mother that has worked a job supporting him, the IRS agent, has given birth,

gets one day to sleep in and she gets murdered. And, okay, the husband is say he's the adult in the situation, that he's not thinking, of a divorce. He's thinking of another, quote, way to get rid of her so he can bed the hot nanny. Their words, not mine. I don't think she's hot. I think she looks like, please don't show me

the cleavis shot anymore. I'm tired of seeing her breasts. She looks like the devil to me. Getting rid of her after she has gone through childbirth. Really, Bethany? You know, the nanny is not hot. Killer nanny wants to appropriate another woman.

life. She wants Insta life without doing all the work to get one, just like women who slash other women's tummies open to get a fetus. They want the life, but they don't want to do the work to get it. And if Killer Dad thinks somebody who wants to murder his wife along with him is hot, then they are just doing the dance of the devil together, Nancy. Wife did everything for this family. She was an ER nurse. She worked. She brought home the bacon and cooked it up in a pan. And she had no appreciation from her husband.

This is obviously an emotionally abusive relationship. You know, to Mark Tate, veteran trial lawyer joining us, he is the founder of the Tate Law Group. And he shot to the forefront of the nation's consciousness during the Alex Murdoch double murder trial, where he repeatedly took to the airways saying Murdoch didn't. do it. Okay. Well, he did do it. And now we have another guy willing to just discard his wife. And he, I mean, really? He brings in the Brazilian opair like she can be trusted about as far as you can

throw her. Of course she turned. And if you don't show me cleavage, you got to show me that mouth full of red lipstick. It just never ends. So Mark Tate, what was he thinking? He's the adult in this scenario and he doesn't think the nanny is going to crack when they go, oh yeah, girl, you're going down under the jail or you can go home to Brazil and stay in a prison there. You can pick. He didn't think she was going to cry. Well, there's no honor among criminals and apparently no honor among murderers, right? So why he, why anybody would trust a stranger like that to keep such a dark secret.

They weren't exactly strangers, Tate. Hey, New York control him. Show Tate. Well, you know, she was a strange. Anal floss hanging in the IRS agent hubby's master bedroom. When I say anal floss, you know what that is tape, right? It's stongs that go up your rear end. She moved all of her lingerie, like pieces of thread, into his bedroom.

Immediately, when the mom, there you go, you see that? Anel thong, anal balls. I don't know what exactly you were saying. Anal floss. Anal floss. Anal floss. Oh, okay. All right.

Well, that's new. I had not, not being someone who frequents the fetish sites. I wasn't quite familiar with anal floss. But thank you, Nancy, for educating me about that. I think I made it up, but probably not. You're familiar with dental floss, right? This is anal floss. Once a year.

Do I need to explain it further? No, no, that's fine. I don't need any further, Nancy. 24 hours, and Ms. Thing moves in her anal floss. into the mom's closet. And he's okay. All right. So, right, it's a terrible story.

The circumstantial evidence about this guy and the accusation against him. It's terrible. And I'm not really sure what effect, you know, being an IRS agent's going to have on the jury. I don't think it's going to elevate their opinion of him any. That's not what I asked you about. What do you want to ask me about? I'm sorry. I missed the question because I did not ask you about him being with the IRS.

put up, Tate. If you're trying to goad me into trashed in the IRS, that's not happening. No, I'm scared to the IRS. I don't need a little tiger by the jail. You know what? Just what I'm saying is he thought she would go along with this murderous plot. She cracked after she wrote effusive letters from the jail. Hello, we read those offering to take the fall.

You know what? Hold on. Listen to this. Banfield, in love with Brazilian au pair Giuliana Magaljez, masterminds a plan to kill his wife so intricate it sounds like the plot of a movie. Magallez and Banfield create a fake profile using Christine's name on fetish website, fetlife.com posing as Christine. Banfield communicating with Joseph Ryan discussing an encounter involving restraints used on her,

her clothing cut off with a knife brought by Ryan, and other violent role play. the sound like violin and was kind of playing the way he wanted the person to play. So then that's when he started talking to Joe. We told a lot of you before that it was kind of part of the game where the person gets in the bedroom and then I react to like scared like try to run or try to scream but like so that and or if the person starts doing something she would just get kind of freaking. out and try to resist, but it was like part of the game.

And that's when Brenda had instructed me before, as soon as I see Joe's car for me to call him, like right away. And that's what I did. See, it's so easy to, I don't know, make fun of this bizarre plot. But remember, the mother of the little girl, I sleep in bed, finally gets the morning to sleep in the so-called, there she is, hot nanny is supposed to take the baby to the zoo. Mommy bought the tickets. She thinks, oh, thank goodness, baby Valerie is going to have a fun day at the zoo and I get to sleep for an hour. This is so great.

The next thing she knows, some dude off a bondage website comes in with a knife. You know what? Let me go straight out to G.G. McKelvey joining us. Investigated reporter. Star of Pretty Lies. alibis, podcast, Gigi, it's all, it is laughable. This plot where the husband, the IRS agent, and the nanny plan to just, you know what, you tell the plot because it's almost laughable if I didn't have to remember Christine bleeding out in the floor with a three inch knife

stab to her neck by her own husband. Tell me what happened. Yeah, the plot was to essentially catfish Joe, Joe Ryan on the FetLife website where people go to find willing partners, consensual partners to act out these fantasies. And they used Christine's laptop to communicate with him at times when she was home. So later on when there was an investigation and Brendan being an IRS agent, a federal agent knew there would be one, it would show her at home when these communications took place. did work with some detectives who thought it was Christine communicating. But they positioned themselves in certain spots. The O'Pair was in the cul-de-sac with the child waiting on Joe Ryan to come in the house, and he was told to bring specific things like a knife.

If I resist, you keep going as part of the act. When he walks in the house, Juliana calls Brendan, who's waiting at a nearby McDonald's, and he goes home, goes upstairs, sees Joe Ryan on top of his wife. This is exactly what Brendan and the O'Pair told him she wanted, you know, lying. But the wife looks at her husband thinking, I've been saved. And she says, Brendan, he has a knife. He turns around and shoots Joe Ryan in the head, doesn't kill him, and proceeds to stab his wife in the next seven times.

with one superficial wound now she also before she got stabbed she told the Opaire to call 9-1-1 the plan was to call much later Juliana not thinking in the moment calls 9-1 1 where you can allegedly hear Joe Ryan moaning in the background Brendan gives her a hand signal to hang up she shoots Joe Ryan in the chest killing him and then they make the 911 call that they meant to but here's the thing when 911 told them to check to see if Christine was still breathing. She was.

And their voices, Nancy, when they tell each other, not the 911, she's still breathing. It was not a, oh, there's hope. She's still breathing. It was a, oh, my gosh, she's still breathing. Ultimately, Joe Ryan pronounced dead on seeing Christine died at the hospital just a little bit later. Dave Mack, joining us, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Where was baby Valerie during all this? she actually was in the basement when uh brendan banfield and juliana mogulays when they came together at the house before banfield goes upstairs they enter into the basement and they tell the little girl stay right here do not come out so she was in the basement

Hey, can you check him out? Yeah, I got more units here. We'll check him out. Dave, Mac, what is the IRS agent husband Banfield doing in the floor? You know, Nancy, he's carrying on a good bit in shock maybe. I'm not exactly sure what he was trying to pull off, but, you know, this is he's still in the bedroom where everything has taken. place and the officers, the paramedics, they're all trying to get him out. And that's when, you know, he was standing up just fine. And then as they get ready to take him out, that's when he hits all

fours and, you know, acts like he can't really do anything. But then he was able to get back up and walk out. Oh, my goodness. He's in so much grief. Let's see that one more time, please. to. Merrill Merrill Can you check him out? Yeah, I got more unit too. We'll check him out.

Merrill Street, he ain't. Okay, Mark Tate, I guess you do tell all your criminal clients. Be a good actor or don't even try. Did you see that? He's like, oh, oh, I'm dizzy. What? everything's going dark. Let me lay down gently on all fours.

He didn't fall over. Like when you just fall over, you might hit your head. He's like first hand, second hand, back leg, other back leg. I'm dizzy. Yeah, it was not very well-acted. It was all. Of course I saw it. You just showed it to me.

It's crazy looking. It was made up looking. It's histrionic. It doesn't fit. But you know, I do remember, and you probably do as well, when Fred Tokar's page, and had his wife Sarah murdered in Atlanta. And I will never forget that photograph of him at the funeral where he was clearly in a great deal of, you know, emotional pain.

And so no matter what this guy acts like, you know, the jury has the case now. And I believe the prosecution. He was not in emotional pain. Put up Tate. No, he's not here. Fred Tocars. Fred Tocars was not in emotional pain. He hit on me in my very first plea and arraignment calendar as a Fulton assistant

district attorney. I'm like, who is that? And they went, that's an Atlanta municipal court judge. I'm like, well, he just hit on me. Isn't he married? Isn't that a wedding band? I don't want to hear about Fred Toakars. May he rot in hell. He's dead. I think he's dead. Emotional pain. Oh, he may have been crying because they were on to him and he knew it.

But this guy's display was, I don't think, real. It didn't have any credibility. The way he kind of fell, it just looked like a histrionic display. I don't think that he's a very. good criminal. And I think that his plan here didn't work out well. And I've, I've, not told it was too intricate. It was too intricate. Let's go back to the scene. Now, remember, guys, what you're seeing right here is body cam at the scene. His wife is dead in the other room. And according to the nanny and the forensic evidence, he just stabbed her. It's about two and a half to three inches deep wound in the neck. The woman he married.

married, the woman that gave birth to his child, the woman that takes care of that beautiful home who worked to support him, the whole shebang. Oh, no, I don't want that. I want the Brazilian opere. Let's kill Christine. Let's go back to the scene. We're going to have to get him out of here. Yeah, I know. Can you give him a second? Don't touch anything else. I'm not. Can we change my gloves up? You can get him out of here. Knife's there, guns are on the bed. Oh, my stars. Is he still on all fours on the floor?

Yes, he is. And I think I noticed he picked a spot a floor that was carpeted. Just in case he accidentally fell. Okay, all I can say to Dr. Bethany Marshall is Pt. I'll, praise the Lord, for BodyCam. Bethany, let's watch some more. I got you. We're going to take him and stick in that at a cruise.

Yeah, I gotta hook him up, guys. Have him a breakdown? Yeah. Can you help him just be with him? Yep. Whenever they called us, whenever... What's your name? Brendan.

Be in it? Easy. I'm sorry, I'd say it again. So are you in Vienna? My office is in Vienna, correct? Did you... Did you call my office? No.

I need to call my manager at some point. It's the least of our words right now, man. I need to call my manager. He's talking about calling his manager at the IRS when his wife has just been stabbed. And you know the part I love the most about that, Dr. Bethany Marshall? It's at the beginning. Do you see the officer going indicating Banfield does not know his wife is dead? Oh, yes, he does.

And Banfield's still laying on all fours. But you don't, see, also the guy that's sort of going to be. like this, they sound very nonchalant, these first responders. And it tells me that although they're going through the motions and doing the right thing, they kind of know that he's being a drama queen, Nancy. You know, there's a word for what Brendan is doing is called malingering. Malingering is when you make up a fictitious or fake illness to get out of some consequence, like pretending you have brain cancer so you don't have to go to jail or you have amnesia so you don't remember shooting your wife in this case that he is fainting and that he's so distraught and therefore not responsible

for any of his actions in the moment. Banfield and Opaire Magalyes carry on an affair for months. Creating the murder plan after telling Magallez he wants to get rid of his wife and divorce is not an option because it costs too much money and he doesn't want to share custody of their four-year-old daughter. Banfield comes up with a home invasion, giving Magalya's a gun and instructing her to call Christine's phone when Ryan enters the home, then call Banfield at a McDonald's near the home. Banfield changes his routine leading up to the murders, so it would not seem out of routine for him to be at the McDonald's that morning. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. And what's your name and what's going on?

My name is running Bantfield. I'm a federal agent. This is my house. There's somebody here. I shot him. He's sad care. I was starting to the play. I mean, they go over enormous wounds.

He just like this to me. Wait, and then I stopped, and then we were both just listening to that sound. That was the real sound we were listening to. What did it sound like? For me, I mean, slapping. So after this elaborate plot where the nanny and the husband secretly signed the wife up on a fetish website, lure a guy there, tell him to attack her. The two of them, Nanny and Husband, walk in to the sound of slapping.

Dave Mack, what was the slapping that she describes? That was what was taking place upstairs, Nancy. And all I can think of is you've got to remember that Joe Ryan is there on what he believes is consensual. Christine Panfield is shaken out of bed and I'm guessing it's pretty rough up there right about now with her fighting for her

life and Ryan thinking it's all part of the game. The smacking, a knife. Or is it him slapping her? The nanny makes it very clear she said it several times. I just played you one time that she says she hears slapping. So is this part

of the sex play beating her, slapping her into submission. Can you imagine Dr. Bethany, her, Christine, waking up and some strange guys in your room with a knife and a rope and a chain and start slapping you in the face? I can't imagine how terrifying that and all the ensuing events her own husband climbing on top of you and putting stab, plunging a knife into your neck. It sounds to me like Brendan and Killer Nanny set up this sort of rape play rape scene so carefully and so meticulously that they told the guy, they told Joe, slap. You know, I want to be slapped a lot. So by the time the prosecutor questions Killer Nanny, she goes, oh, I heard a lot of slapping.

I mean, that's how well thought out this devious plan was. To Gigi McElvey, pretty lies and alibis, Gigi, do I understand this correctly that Ryan comes in, lured there for what he thinks is a consensual BDSM act on Christine? She sees her husband come to the door and thinks he's saving her, and instead he shoots Ryan and then he stabs her. Yeah, that's what happened. Christine told him Brendan, he has a knife, and then she tells Juliana to call 911. at that point Joe Ryan is shot in the head doesn't die yet and then he gets on top of Christine and starts stabbing her she had a total of six penetrating stab wounds and one superficial but the deepest being two and a half inches so yeah that's exactly what happened you know can you

imagine what she thought thinking oh my gosh I am saved only to see your husband on top of you probably seconds later stabbing you in the neck dr kennel crowns is joining us now. Dr. Crowns, thank you for being with us. Krause is Chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth. Never a lack of business there. He is a star of hit podcast, Mayhem in the morgue. He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU and has handled literally thousands, thousands of autopsies, all sorts, accident, suicide, natural causes, is unexplained and of course homicide. Dr. Crowns, could you explain those gruesome injuries to this young mom's throat? Certainly. So she was stabbed in the neck with a knife and they're saying

it's going in about three, two to three inches. And what it is is in your neck, the carotid and jugular vein sit probably about a quarter inch, a few millimeters underneath your skin and a muscle on this side of your neck called this genocletiomastoid. These two vessels, the internal jugular, the carotid artery, are major blood vessels taking blood to your brain. And if they get hit by a knife, they'll just start bleeding. And you can bleed out within minutes of being hit in the neck from a stab wound hitting these two vessels. And then you only have about a few minutes. to survive after that unless someone puts pressure on it. If you go a little more to the center,

you'll hit the trachea, which is the windpipe that takes air from your mouth to your lungs. And it's also where the vocal cords sit. So if the trachea gets hit, you can have the vocal cords damage and you won't be able to speak. Let me understand something, Dr. Kendall Crowns. If these stab wounds,

and there were multiple stab wounds, one being two and a half inches deep, How could she continue to talk? She was dying. So I question that she's being able to talk. I mean, that is a statement made by him. I personally feel like she's probably had her trachealaryngial region hit, getting these vocal cords hit,

and she's probably sitting there bleeding out and gagging on her own blood. You know, Dr. Kendall Crowns, isn't it true that medical examiners, like yourself, take into account not only what the body of the victim tells them, but the surrounding circumstances. For instance, I prosecuted a guy, millionaire, for the murder of his wife. The house burned down with her in it, and he miraculously escaped. Her body showed a blow to the head and other bruises across her body. She did not die just because of the fire. The medical examiner took into account that all of the husband's family photos of his family, not hers, and all of his suits and all of his shoes had been taken two or three days before

and put in a warehouse. So they were all saved. I found the suits of the dry cleaner, by the way. I went to eight dry cleaners before I found them, but I found them. And also he called the weather station, weather channel, to check on would it rain the day that coincidentally, the fire broke out. The medical examiner took in extrinsic evidence into account before determining it was a homicide. Do you do that? Yes. So we always say you can't autopsy in a vacuum, which

means you can't just look at the body and make a determination of cause and manner of death. You have to take into account medical records, paramedic reports, death investigators reports, police reports, All this information combined is how you make the final decision for cause and manner of death. And the problem is, is when you get a witness statement like your case with the fire, that doesn't make sense with the autopsy findings, then you have to tell the investigators and the police, you know, things aren't adding up. I need more information and then more investigation is done and you'll get more information showing that this individual may have been murdered or a homicide.

And the thing is, is you'll get range of fire issues with gunshot wounds where they're saying it's contact and it's obviously farther away. And if you can't get a witness statement that makes sense, you just have to go with the information you have and make a opinion and make a judgment call on manner of death. So Dr. Kendall Crowns, you stated that based on Christine's body alone, you find it very, very difficult to believe. as do I, as she's literally choking on her own blood and bleeding out. You find it very hard to believe that she could speak. Now, when I put a witness on the stand or I argue something to the jury, I try to determine the veracity of that statement. Like, can it be believed?

What's my source? Are there witnesses to it? So, number one, forensically, I don't think that she could speak. But I want you to consider the source as you did. this is coming from the husband and he says Dr. Kendall Crowns, you may need to buckle your seatbelt so you don't just fall over and hit your head. That as she was dying, she was able to speak and that she apologized for all of her cheating and hoaring around town. That's what he says. Listen. Banfield claims his dying wife stabbed in the neck seven times as deep as two and a half inches was able to

speak a lot before emergency responders arrive. Bainfield claims Christine apologized to him and that she loved him. Holding his hand on her neck wound, she says she is bleeding out and she was sorry. You were there and it sounds like there was a lot of blood loss. Yes. So I think that she died of blood loss. Her airway was actually okay. I'll call the medical examiner, of course, and we'll do an autopsy and make sure we know for certain. But I was starting to test her. I was starting. Yeah. I mean, those were enormous wounds and, you know, it's not, there's so many. You did everything that was possible. It's not a survival injury. Did you see that at the end? Tate again. I know you've got a new courtroom set up in your office

and you have all of these experts counseling your clients, but really, you need to tell them if they can't be effective cryers on the spot, just don't do it at all. Do you hear that? It sounds like a little yap-dog. Like maybe a chihuahua barking and the car next to you at the red light.

Did you hear that? Yes, I heard it. So he's a terrible actor in the case against him. It was awful. I guess John Carroll, the defense lawyer, I think someone suggested that he's going to be dealt with subsequent to any conviction

with an ineffective assistance of counsel, claim by Banfield, you know, these little things that we're seeing certainly belie his sincerity. And these types of things are exactly the hooks that a jury does look for to make them not like a person. And so even though you perfected the bark, Nancy, which I think is fabulous and probably could be effective for you in some closing argument, I think that here just playing that tape is going to make a jury think this guy is not good in that he is a faker. Just imagine this. Your last image before you die with your daughter downstairs is your husband on top of

you stabbing you in the neck. Now, you heard the physician at the ER telling the husband Banfield that it was, there was no coming back. And he started that, crying. But yet he says that with multiple stab ones to the neck as deep as nearly three inches, she apologized for basically being a big ho. Listen.

She was like, oh, like, what do you do this? Call 911. And I said, Julia specifically, you're going to call 911. What did you hear her saying to Brendan as he was stabbing her in the night? If he was stabbing her and then she was just telling him, let me go. I'm going to die. anyways. I'm gonna plead to that. She was just, leave me here,

let me die. And then he was telling her, I can't. I don't know why he said I can't. How did Christine Bannfield's blood come to be on Joe Ryan's arms and hands? Do I have this correct to Dave Matt crime stories

investigative reporter that Ryan goes on to state that she apologized for all of her cheating and said she loved him? She didn't cheat. He cheated. Exactly. And Nancy, yet, again, he's claiming that she apologizes and says, I love you, but we can't

figure out how that's even possible with the injuries she is suffering, Nancy. Yet, and nobody else could hear it. This is Banfield's own testimony that she said, I'm sorry. Okay. Dr. Bethany Marshall, why is it when one spouse, is cheating and not just cheating, cheating with the opair that's been invited to live in the home right under the wife's nose. They blame the other spouse with cheating.

Christine was not cheating. She was trying to take care of the baby, take care of the house, take care of it all. Supermom. She didn't have time to sleep, much less sleep. Why does the cheating spouse accuse the innocent spouse of cheating? You know, not only is it the cycle of abuse, Nancy, but it's a single of abuse, Nancy, but it's a simple projection. He's projecting into her what he's doing, which is he is cheating. Nancy, there's no way to know this, but sit with this for a second. I would imagine that Brendan and the

nanny had erotic fantasies about killing Christine. I think this murder plot was something that was incorporated into their sex lives, talked about. They had, I think, a very imaginative sexual aspect to this where maybe they even fantasized. about him stabbing her in the throat or that she was a cheater or that she was having sex with other guys and that the paddock coming to her and then they're going to move into the master bedroom

she's going to bring her anal floss with her and that the baby's going to love the nanny and you're when you think of sociopathy Nancy you know it's a disorder of detachment they're not attached to Christina they're not attached to the baby they have no idea that the baby's not going to bond with nanny What they are attached to is their sick, erotic sexual fantasies, their sexual excitement with each other,

and incorporating Christine and this poor Joe guy that was set up into this like makeup grizzly fantasy world. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Apparently the nanny, not only, he was pled guilty for it with a cheap deal. Now, Banfield is facing a jury. Not only did she completely snow Christine. So Christine had no idea what was going on. The cops fell for it. Wait till you see the way they pampered the killer nanny,

while Christine is laying in her own blood inside. And she's got the baby calling her the nanny, mommy. Okay, watch this. I'm sorry. What's going on this morning? I was going out. It's okay. Take a breath.

It's okay. Take a minute, okay? You need some water. You're fine. I was going out with the . Okay, yeah, she said you in there. And then I forgot our lunch to bring it. And I was coming back to the house, you get the lunch.

Tate. Really? Did you see the the trembling of the hands? She's like, okay, what was I supposed to say next? Oh, yeah. I went and I forgot the lunch. Oh, there she is hyperventilating.

Fake hyperventilating. And the cops are like all over here. Her, do you need snacks? Do you need a comfy chair? Deep, deep breaths, miss lady. I mean, really? Do you see her trying to come up with her story?

and it's caught on body cam. I'm so happy, Tate. You're happy? You know, I'm not that surprised, really, that cops would try to be nice to her because, you know, they don't know exactly what's going on. If they start being rough on her now, she might clam up.

And so I'm not always an expert on police tactics. However, I do know that they approach certain people that they haven't decided what their involvement is with a certain amount of forgiveness and what they're saying in order to keep them talking. And here it in fact worked because not only did they get her to tell what possibly really happened that's before the jury to be decided right now, but also got her to turn on this man. Okay.

Let's do it again. Sir, if you anything, we'll be here for a little bit. I hope so, all right? Does I feel a little bit on it? On that, make, all that second place. Who for you? Yeah. You're okay.

I'm so busy. Does anyone have a bottle of water we can get her? I'm having orange juice. My car is drinking a little of the shit and I'm drinking after me. When you guys get there, there's some couches. We can get you guys some snacks if you want. There's a bathroom there you can use. Okay, we can put the TV on for a little bit.

Try and see if we can give you a drawing, some coloring books and stuff? Oh, they definitely got coloring books there. They got toys. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay to be scared. Okay. You're going to be with . All right. You guys are going to take care of each other.

Okay. And then I'm sure they're going to have some very nice people there that will talk with you. Okay. They'll help you feel better. She just shot, she admits on the stand under oath, hand on Bible. She shot Joseph Ryan dead, stood there while Christine was stabbed in the neck. And she's getting snacks and comfy chair. Okay. And then. I know Christine is just turning over in her grave. She keeps hugging and clinging to Christine's baby. When did she first begin to refer to you as her mommy? I do not remember when exactly.

Sally Fayette's with the victim services describes Christine's daughter finding out her mother is dead. The four-year-old asked Mughalise, can I call you Mommy now? Valerie then asks if the two would get married, to which Magalese says, I wish. To Dr. Bethany Marshall, what is it about this video of the hugging and the sloboring over the baby? And hey, when Dr. Bethany's talking, could you please show that the nanny when she has another hyperventilation episode?

She's hanging her nose out of the squad car. What is she smelling? Murder? What is so skin crawling about her? her hugging all over the baby. It's so skin crawling because she's exploiting the baby to gain sympathy from the officers. If she really loved that baby, she would not have participated in killing the baby's mother. This is like a mommy dearest moment where a parent or a nanny uses a child like a prop so that they can act like they're attached.

which we know deep down, she's not attached at all. She won't be attached to Brendan. She wasn't attached to Christine, to Joe, who's already been murdered, lying upstairs. She's not going to attach to this little baby. This baby might as well just be a doll. You know, Nancy, it's often not what people say when they talk to the police. It's what they don't say. She says she's hyperventilating.

She's putting a good, good show on. But you know what she doesn't say? This poor little girl. she had such a good relationship with her mommy. Her mommy's upstairs. What can we do to keep her safe and protect? It is not about the little girl. It's all about killer nanny.

And consequently, to Dave Mack, it's about the husband. Because I do believe that much of the killer nanny. I don't think she's got the wherewithal to come up with a plot on her own. She just wanted to get married to the IRS agent hubby. That's all she wanted. He wanted the murder, Dave Mack. And I think that's very clear. Oh, hey, Dave, what can you tell me about him, the husband, ordering triple soundproof window

so the neighbors could not hear the wife scream during the murder? Nancy, it's unbelievable the effort that he went to. This goes down to the planning stages of thinking about, hey, man, somebody might hear the yelling, screaming, whatever outside. So he orders these triple pain windows that even the guy, the window people talking about this day, this goes well beyond trying to save money with, you know, temperature inside the house or outside. This goes to a whole new level of cover up. And Nancy, we even went so far as Brendan Bampum going upstairs, yeah, and sending Magalia is out in the part in the road.

And he goes up there and starts yelling and screaming at the top of his lungs to see if she could hear it. And she said, I couldn't really tell what was being said. Could only hear a little bit. So yeah, triple pain windows did the trick. They were called triple glazed windows. He had installed. So Tate, you think that was just a co-inkie-dink? A coincidence that the husband had.

I think they're very expensive windows. These guys come out, triple glazed windows and then had the nanny go up and scream at the top of her lungs. And he waited outside to see if he could hear her. They were testing the windows to make sure the neighbors could not hear her screaming during the murder. Yeah, none of this is good. This is some of the worst evidence, I think, circumstantial evidence that I've seen piled up in a long time. You're the defense lawyer. You're supposed to be saying something like it really cuts.

down your electric bill? Well, it does. They're very efficient, and they're used in places sometimes, but they are efficient. However, having somebody scream so you can figure out whether you hear them, I think that's, again, circumstantial evidence that looks like a plot to kill. And, you know, once again, if you're going to commit a crime, if you're going to get up to the edge, then don't bring somebody with you to testify how bad you've been. So that's what this guy did here.

In the last hours, the jury has returned a verdict of guilty on the IRS agent husband that masterminded a bizarre sex fetish scheme wherein his wife ends up dead. All I have to say is, hey, jury, you got it right, but what took so long? Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast, Guaranteed Human.