Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Idaho Student Murders: White Elantra - Clues From 'Murder Car?'

Episode Date: December 14, 2022

Detectives are now sifting through eight hours of surveillance video from a Moscow gas. A clerk there spotted the now infamous white Hyundai Elantra that police identified as being seen near the home where four University of Idaho students were stabbed. An overnight assistant manager from the station told Fox News Digital that she's been reviewing the tapes over the past few days during her downtime on the graveyard shift. She recognized the white sedan passing by at 3:45 a.m. on the night of the murders. She said the car drove by "real quick" and turned down a side street off Highway 8.  The clerk sent a photo of the car and video to an email address police set up to receive tips, and a few hours later, detectives gathered the footage. Joining Nancy Grace today: Dale Carson - High Profile Attorney (Jacksonville), Former FBI Agent, Former Police Officer (Miami-Dade County), Author: "Arrest-Proof Yourself"  Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist; Twitter: @carynpsych, Facebook: "Caryn Stark"  Sheryl McCollum - Forensic Expert, Founder: Cold Case Investigative Research Institute in Atlanta, GA; Twitter: @ColdCaseTips   Irv Brandt - Senior Inspector, US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch; Chief Inspector, DOJ Office of International Affairs; Country Attache, US Embassy Kingston, Jamaica; Author: "Solo Shot: Curse of the Blue Stone" available on Amazon in January; Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor    Chris McDonough - Director At the Cold Case Foundation & Former Homicide Detective; Worked over 300 Homicides in a 25-year career; Host of YouTube channel -  The Interview Room.     Dr. Priya Banerjee, M.D.  - Board Certified Forensic Pathologist, Anchor Forensic Pathology Consulting  Stephanie Pagones - Crime Reporter, Fox News Digital, Twitter: @steph_pagones  Sydney Sumner - CrimeOnline Investigative Reporter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Four University of Idaho students found slaughtered in their beds, we think, as at least some of them slept. In the last hours, critical video surveillance footage emerges. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. First of all, take a listen to our friends at CrimeOnline.com. Detectives collected eight hours of surveillance video Tuesday morning from a gas station in Moscow where a clerk saw a white sedan passing by at 3.45 a.m. on the night of the unsolved stabbing deaths of four University of Idaho students. An overnight assistant manager told Fox News Digital that she's been reviewing the tapes a little bit at a time over the past few

days looking for clues in her downtime on the graveyard shift. She said she was not working on the night of the murders, Monday night. She said she reached the 3 o'clock hour and spotted the car. The car drove by real quick, she said, and then it turned down a side street off Highway 8. She said she took a picture of the screen and sent it to an email address police have set up to receive tips, and a few hours later, detectives gathered up the footage. You know what? I hate people that say, I told you so. I hate that. I try never to say, I told you so.

Got an all-star panel, but first, I've got to go to Cheryl McCollum, forensic expert, founder of Cold Case Research Institute. She's at coldcasecrimes.org. We fought in the trenches. I as a prosecutor, she as a forensic expert for 10 years and more. Cheryl, how many times have I screamed, look for video? Remember when this became pertinent in the Alex Murdoch case when a stranger shot him in the head on a rural road? Absolutely.

And I said there's going to be no video footage on that rural road. But what about the turn-ins to get to the rural road? Sure enough, I believe it was at Ebenezer Baptist Church sitting right there at the turn in with the camera front and center. And here you had to get a gas station clerk to find the video of the Elantra. Really? Here's this girl, this woman in her spare time coming through video and she basically has to deliver it on a Christmas tree. I mean, just thank God we've got the video, Cheryl. Thank God we've got the video. But, Nancy, even more specific, on your show, I even said, I'm looking at the camera right now on my phone, I can see the gas station.

Yeah, you did. I mean, should we just, you know what, we should start downloading Crime Stories and uploading it onto their, onto the FBI website for peace sake. Guys, not only do I have Cheryl McCollum with me, just, I'm going to go one by one as I go to them. But guys, remember, as I tell you over and over, I'm not your school mom. This ain't high tea at Windsor Castle. Jump in if you have an idea. Clearly, the police need them. They need every idea they can

get. And I'm not suggesting they're not good. They're fine. But the more people thinking and analyzing, the better. I want to go now to my new friend, Chris McDonough, and I believe his wife, somebody he keeps calling honey on the video video that he has in the interview room. And it is, I've spent way too much time on the interview room. He's director at the Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective. You can find him coldcasefoundation.org. Chris McDonough, question. And Fox Nation, if you could show that video that we're talking about that was obtained from the gas station. In your video, you are driving up very slowly the main street there in Moscow and you turn left, as I recall, at a gas station. Is that the gas station or is it?

Yes. That is the gas station. No, no, that's not the right one. That's not the right one. No, it is it is actually on a uh another approach nancy into that uh area meaning from the main 95 so there is a way around that a and w down at the corner there which is on the video right. And the gas station that this vehicle is seen is approximately one mile away as a crow flies to the house.

And there is a way, a back way, to get into the student campus area. But once you're on that main road there, Taylor, you're stuck. It's one way in and one way out. Okay, let me just digest what you're saying because taylor i don't know how it starts but it turns into something that almost looks like an alley and it goes up between houses which as you point out those houses do not have video

surveillance on them as you were looking for any other cinder blocks in your video. And you go up Taylor and there's the house, the front entrance, Jackie, right there. So you're telling me this car speeding by, it was going at a pretty good clip. The white Hyundai Elantra in question is speeding by one mile from 1122 King, which is the murder house. One mile as the crow flies at 345 a.m. Right. And you can't, I couldn't tell personally if the vehicle is leaving or coming towards the area. And the challenge with that vehicle, though, is once it gets up onto King Street where 1122 is, they have to go up that

road there and around that building and back down the side of the house and then come either park on that street or park in that parking lot behind the house or park in a parking lot next to the apartment complex. Exactly. You know, I've argued to juries many a time. I'm going to throw this to Irv Brandt, Senior Inspector, U.S. Marshal Service, International, Chief Inspector, DOJ. It goes on and on.

Brand new book coming out, Solo Shot. It'll be on Amazon in January. Author of Flying Solo, Top of the World. Irv Brandt, as I have argued to many a jury, nothing good happens after midnight. This is 3.45 a.m. What is this car

doing, speeding, we think, from the murder house? At the time of the murders. The murders are placed between 3 and 4 a.m. Oh, that's correct, Nancy. You'd be able to narrow down the reasons fairly quickly as to why a car would be going specifically into that neighborhood. Like you said, there's one way in, one way out.

It's not like they were going somewhere else. They were heading into that neighborhood for a reason. So it's imperative that they identify that vehicle and the people that were in it. We have looked very carefully at all of the homes and there are a lot of them. You can't really tell from the picture we keep seeing on TV. It's very congested, very crowded. It's student housing on top of student housing. And it's almost like an alley driving up King, especially when you add in ice and snow. Very difficult to get up and down that hill without a four-wheel drive.

Elantra's, that Hyundai Elantra does not have a four-wheel drive, but there is a parking lot. You go past the house and up around, and then there is actually a parking area in the back of the house and above the house. You're going up an incline. And if you were parked there, you could easily come down. I'm just wondering, could the car have been parked there? Right now, we're talking about the video surveillance. Joining me, Stephanie Pagonis, crime reporter, Fox News Digital, on the case from the get-go. Stephanie, tell me, you've looked at the video, we've all looked at it, but please describe it for our listeners and viewers right

now. That's correct, Nancy. And just going back to what you said quickly, yes, it is easy to access this home from behind it. There is a road immediately behind the home named Walenta Drive. I personally was there, and I parked there, and you can see this crime scene from Walenta Drive. Now, going back to this video, video yes this woman said she actually examined the video hour by hour bit by bit and when she finally got to the three o'clock hour she was able to spot this white vehicle police were able to recover eight hours of that footage it shows this vehicle near 802 troy road this is about 1.2 miles not as as a crow flies, that's in a car, 1.2 miles, but yes, approximately one mile. Now, I just want to emphasize here, and I know that Chris

knows this from being there as well, but Moscow is very, it's small. You can probably count on two hands how many gas stations there are. Troy Road, it is very close to Taylor Avenue. Actually, Taylor Avenue turns into Steiner Avenue, which is the intersection near where this gas station is located. So about a mile from the home, the car is flying like a bat out of hell. And I heard, Chris McDonough, that it turns down a side street near Highway 8. What does that mean to you? Was it getting on Highway 8? Yeah well those are they could obviously be evasive tactics of some sort but what's real interesting is we have you know the police when they're first there and they're processing the scene as you know nancy out in front they're measuring

you know what appears to be some type of tire marks on the pavement as well as uh the house if you're standing looking right at the house to the right that blue house uh some of the early footage you see a webcam in the exterior porch light. And then later footage, you see that that camera has been taken. And you see, I saw one news report where there was an officer coming out of that house and that camera's gone. So I'm supposing or, you know, thinking that they gathered that footage and maybe that vehicle would have been seen leaving that particular area. Question to you again, where was that camera? Where again was that camera, Chris? You know, it was screwed into the porch light. You know, it's one of those webcams that, you know,

and it was screwed into the porch light. But when you go back and look at some footage, you'll see that it's missing, but you'll see it initially there what house uh it's the house to the right of if you're standing in front of the target house 11 22 it's the immediate house to the right i think it's blue yeah yeah i saw that take a listen our friends at fox news fox news learning this afternoon that investigators have also collected hours of video evidence from a nearby gas station that's only about a half a mile from the murder scene. We've been trying to use those videos to garner new information. As you can imagine, there's hours and hours and hours of video, so it does take a lot of time. As police combed through that video from at least two local businesses, we're learning more about some of this other DNA evidence in that car they're looking for.

And we know the front door of this home was left open, according to a neighbor, for hours before police were ever called. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace with me guys dale carson high profile lawyer out of jacksonville and as much as i respect his legal acumen he's here because he's former fbi agent former police officer in miami-dade author of arrest proof yourself don't like that but you can find him at DaleCarsonLaw.com. Jump in, Dale. Yeah, Nancy. We were talking earlier about going up behind the house and that little hillock there where this white car may have parked.

And someone earlier said that they had been there and you could see the back of the house. We've talked about this before. Yeah. That little area, that wooded area is so critical. Yeah. talked about this before. That little area, that wooded area, is so critical. And every person who's investigating a case like myself has gone into a house and found a wallet from the perpetrator in a burglary. I don't understand why they haven't removed all the surface dirt and screened through all that material. There's no telling what you might find connected directly to this. Well, I do know that

it's been cordoned off the crime scene tape now i noticed that originally there was one round of crime scene tape and i think they expanded the area because you can see two links of crime scene tape one encompassing the first crime scene tape i agree everything needs to be combed over with a fine-tooth comb just behind that house on that steep incline that Dale Carson is talking about. So we have a shot of the white Hyundai Elantra. I've looked at it. Stephanie, agree, disagree? You can't see who's driving it. I agree. I can't see who's driving it. Yeah, I tried. Believe me, I tried. Me too. That's not all that's happening. Take a listen to our cut 155. Our friends over at Fox. The corner here in Idaho tells me that investigators did put paper bags on the victim's hands inside of the home

before they moved the bodies, which is critical to preserve DNA evidence. The hands, Martha, are so important in this investigation because if these victims were able to try and fight off the killer, they could have that killer's DNA, like their hair, skin, or blood, underneath their fingernails, which is now being tested. That is, of course, I'm a JD, not an MD, and certainly not a medical examiner. That's medical examiner rule one. Bag the hands. I remember the first time, my very first homicide victim named Mary. She had her hands bagged, and they certainly did not teach me that in law school. And I said, when I went to go visit the medical examiner, to make sense of what that medical report, the autopsy report said, I said, why are

there bags on her hands? And he told me, with me right now to tell you, Dr. Priya Banerjee, board certified forensic pathologist. You can find her at anchorforensicpathology.com. I'm not even going to ask her how many dead bodies she has analyzed. Dr. Priya, why are hands bagged of murder victims? And why paper and not plastic? I mean, this is, you know, I hope people listening to this can learn from it. First of all, I've done over 3,000 autopsies and over 150 homicide cases. And on top of that, you have to treat many cases as suspicious. And if you have an inkling that something may be awry, you bag the hands. Because all that does is it protects

the hands and trace evidence. If they fought back, you know, DNA is our friend now, right? We have so much to learn from DNA. You never know what little tidbit can help you. And you don't want plastic because just like groceries, you know, it doesn't breathe, right? You don't want moisture trapped in there. Moisture is not our friend when it comes to biological material. So you want nice paper bags, sandwich bags. They are cheap and easy. Everybody can get them. And what do you bag them what do you tighten with rubber bands or string uh rubber bands i usually use duct tape but anything why do you need it to breathe dr priya you don't want it getting moldy you don't want evidence degrading

moisture is not your friend water is not your friend plastic's gonna get you know condensation and trap that moisture and away goes your evidence. Yeah, you know, I was surprised to Stephanie Pagonis joining us. Hey, Dr. Priya, you're a little too polite for crime stories. So I need you to just, when you have an idea, just jump in. And you too, Karen Stark, I want to peep out of you. Stephanie Pagonis, there were all these headlines in the last let's just say what would you say 12 hours hands were bagged and I thought they darn well better be bagged I mean that shouldn't be yeah

yeah it shouldn't even be a question no it shouldn't it'd be a headline if they weren't bagged. Right. But that is SOP, Standard Operating Procedure. But I guess Karen Stark, New York psychologist, renowned in her field, joining us out of Manhattan today. She's at KarenStark.com with a C. Karen, sometimes I forget if I'm not here in the studio or on a crime scene or in court. Everybody doesn't see dead bodies all the time. Remember that, was it in Sixth Sense, the little boy says, I see dead bodies. I'm like, me too. Like, all the time.

So I guess when civilians or normies, as I call them, see a dead body with bags on the wrist, on the hands, you think, wow, why are their hands bagged? That's not normal. It actually is. This is very disturbing to a lot of people. I can't even go to the grocery store with people without people asking, what's happening in Idaho? So seeing hands bagged would be something shocking to a lot of people, Karen. I'm hearing about it.

And what I was trying to say, and you just came to me just then, is that if you think about the parents, right, and they're going, they're grieving, and they're hearing about hands that are tied, and they have this visual, not only of what might have happened, but especially with Kaylee's dad, who keeps talking about, you know, gorges that she had. And now they're picturing their children with their hands tied. And it's just awful to have to keep thinking about not just what happened to your children,

which I can't think of anything worse, right? You know that, Nancy. But in addition, these details about what's been done to them, how they look, it's just terrific. You know, from an investigator. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. No, go ahead. Oh, I was just going to say, yeah, I mean, you know, I get asked a lot, how do I do my job?

Because it is dealing with the most horrific things often and you know I think you have to step back because it's quote-unquote normal to me every day doing my profession is you know the opposite of normal really you know and so I try to be as sensitive as I can when even delivering information because what we're talking about, what rolls off our tongues, and especially me as a medical examiner, I look at it as like I got to do my job. And if I wasn't able to be tolerated, I couldn't do my job. You know, speaking of your job, Stephanie Pagonis with us, Fox News Digital. The coroner, who is not a medical examiner, is not a medical doctor, as a matter of fact. Didn't she major in political science? She was a registered nurse somewhere, and she got her law degree, as a matter of fact, representing murderers.

That's correct. Okay, I have a big problem with that ethical issue, but I'm not concerned about that today because I don't think it touches on who committed this quadruple murder. But I do think she should shut her pie hole. Now, that's certainly not a technical legal term. But to you, Stephanie Pagonis, now she has come out again and weighed in on toxicology reports of the victims. Yes, that's correct.

And I just want to quickly, Nancy, go back to what we were talking about, about the hands being bagged. I mean, not only is that typical in investigations like this, from my understanding, but this is a case in which we were told at least some of these victims fought back. So that just gives you an even better idea of how much evidence might be on their bodies, on their extremities and under their fingertips. Now, yes, she is weighing in on the toxicology reports, which the results have not come back yet. It's interesting because it seems to go back and forth. Sometimes she does choose to speak, and other times she chooses not to at all. So it seems it depends on the day.

Nancy, I got to get in here. I got to get in here. Jump. First of all, the hands being bagged and everything like that did not come from the coroner. This came from their CSI people. And I want the families to understand great care was taken with that and great professional technique was done there. And I also want people to understand I'm a crime investigator. I'm not a first responder.

I'm a last responder. The worst thing has happened. So every bit of evidence that's going to go to the state crime lab or to a private lab is because of me. Those people did everything right to ensure that the evidence is going to be able to point to a perpetrator down the road. I'm so glad you said that, Cheryl. You're right. Jump in, Chris. No, yeah, to dovetail into that thought, the bags are just one step in the evidence chain. As you know, you've presented hundreds of these cases in trial. So the idea is once that bag is removed by the doc at the ME, that bag then gets re-bagged and put into another bag and sent to the lab. And to the comment a moment ago,

that's critical evidence that potentially could be sitting there. Take a listen to the Moscow police. I want to let everybody know that we are still 100% committed to solving this crime. There's a lot of information to sort through and the information keeps coming in. And not all of the information is relevant, but you don't know if a tip is valid until you take the time to examine that tip and see how it relates to other information that you might have we have teams in Moscow Salt Lake City

and in Virginia as well as other locations across the country and we're prepared to do interviews and follow up on information at any point, anywhere. Guys, there's more evidence floating around out there. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We said at the beginning, or I did or Cheryl did, somebody did, maybe it was you, Dale. Social media could also hold a key to unlocking the mystery of who killed these four students. I don't know.

They need an army of people to help solve this case because you've got hundreds and hundreds of hours of video from all over town that they're coming through. And thank heaven this gas station clerk come through the video herself. But I also want to talk about somebody named Frat Anon. Frat Anon. In CB Talk, you call it his handle. It's his online persona. Joining me right now, Sydney Sumner, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. She has been combing through social media. Now, remember, we don't know who Frat Anon is. For all I know, it's Jackie under the covers in bed at night making up a story. But it has, when I put a witness on the stand, for instance,

Dale Carson, Cheryl McCollum, Irv, jump in on this. When I put a witness on the stand, well, I do it before I put them up on the stand, you look for details, a story rich in details, details that you can corroborate, which lends credibility to the witness. Agree? Disagree? No, I agree, Nancy. But what you're looking at when you put them on the stand is their potential credibility. Are they argumentative? Are they full of themselves? Are they narcissistic? And that really bears on

credibility. Yeah, it really does. But what I'm talking about right now is we don't know the source of, we don't know who Frat Anon is. But after reading what he's posting, it is very rich in corroborated detail. Okay, Sydney Sumner, you're on. What did you learn from combing through social media? Nancy, I found screenshots of a 4chan thread while combing through Twitter. Did you say a 4-chain thread? 4chan, 4-C-H-A-N. Okay. It's kind of like a board website, so anonymous people can all discuss similar interests right and the

idaho murders has a dedicated board so on this board there's comments coming from one user that say i don't know why you're referring to killer when it's killers plural because they've been planning it for a long time. And I believe this person, Frat Anon, is a member of Sigma Chi at Idaho, at the University of Idaho. And he is discussing a possible suspect referred to as DSL. Now, hold on, hold on. You and I know who DSL, who we think DSL is. Let's just stick with DSL. What about the great likelihood it's not DSL and we're dragging DSL through the mud? So, let's just don't do that. But according to Frantanon, who we don't know who it is,

has so many details about the Sigma Chi fraternity, people in the fraternity, events within the fraternity, even going back to Bishop Kelly. He referred to Bishop Kelly. We looked it up. It's a high school in Boise where we believe a group of the Sigma Chi's went to high school. So what is the gist of what is being said by Frattinan? Basically, this guy posts that you can see the King Roadhouse from DSL's Sigma Chi room. Okay, so that's identifying somebody that sleeps at Sigma Chi house, which is common in

fraternity and sorority houses. Some people sleep there. Many do not. Okay. So someone that sleeps at Sigma Chi. And it goes on to say, once that third floor light in the King Road house went off, they did it. 19 minutes total, walk included. The detail comes in, talked about this stuff. I'm using a nicer word to replace what he actually said.

Talked about this stuff at Bishop Kelly and Sigma Chi. DSL and E, Epen, got in a fight that night. XANA, X, allegedly was talking stuff. You're saying S-H-I-T when you're saying stuff. Yes, ma'am. So, and you're saying, is he-i-t when you're saying stuff yes ma'am so and you're saying it is he referring to xana as x yes okay go ahead and it goes on to say dsl also had problems with madison stuff has been brewing yes since fall rush last year they went quiet on social media for two weeks before and after the murders. Who went quiet? This is referring to DSL and another member that they refer to as Barry. Now what can

you tell me about claims that the killer wanted to be with ex-Xana? Right. So further in this post, he mentions, Fratanon mentions that he saw Ethan, Xana, DSL, and Barry at the party that night, and that Ethan and DSL have issues reaching back years. Ethan apparently was not very, not on good terms with DSL, talked down to him, made rumors up, and that upset DSL because he wanted to be with Zanna. Is there anything else that's a bombs so both the accused in this thread, talked about leaving their cell phones behind at their house on YouTube using autoplay. So it looked like they were continuing to create data. One of the other accused in this thread allegedly talked about this stuff in detail in the past, talked about wearing electrician's gloves and putting on baggy clothes after and walking away from the scene. That's incredible. Yeah. Okay.

Is that Dale or Chris McDonough? It is. It's Dale. And I just tell you, that's a fairly easy thing to run down because you've got a select pool of people who would know that information who are in that paternity. And that's where they need to focus energy to rule that out or rule it in. To you, Chris McDonough, joining us on Cold Case Foundation. I discovered him in his YouTube channel, The Interview Room. Chris, one thing that really grabbed me,

much of that I could discount. One thing that really grabbed me is talking about 19 minutes, walk over there and back, and it's done. How does that jive with the layout of the land? You know, Nancy, it's, it's plausible from obviously from their point of location, from the frat house to the target house. But the challenge that I think we need to consider here is the multiple attacker theory. You know, the crime scene, you know, based on the evidence that they've released into the public, i.e., you know, the type of wounds that the coroner talked about, that type of situation.

And the challenge that is going to come into play here is, is there any blood evidence or any type of evidence leaving that out. Because if it was as crazy as it's being described, then you're going to have some type of transfer immediately onto these, you know, if it's a multiple suspect situation. Now that's even a higher risk for the offender. If there are two of them. But Chris McDonough, if we got, think about it. There doesn't have to be two people doing the stabbing because we believe, based on the wounds, there is one weapon. Could be two similar knives, but we're hearing one weapon.

Highly doubtful that two people are going to pass off one weapon. But just like the getaway driver, he's not in there robbing the bank, but he's part of it. I could see two people going over there and one hanging around outside. Nancy, that's exactly what this says. Who says? That's exactly what this says. Is it Cindy Sommers? Oh, what do you mean that's exactly what it says?

In the post, there is also a detail mentioned that Barry, the member referred to as the accomplice, was just a lookout. He did not participate in the stabbings, but went with DSL. Okay, see, we could be going down a rabbit hole, but the point is, in any investigation, Cheryl McCollum, you can't ignore any detail, even an anonymous post. And, of course, cops can figure out from an ip address who posted that i believe they can anyway well the other thing is i mean he seems to have some information but does that information line up again if this was about ethan why go upstairs why would he go upstairs

and murder two other people and not go into the basement and get the other two. He doesn't mention the dog. He doesn't mention how he gained entry. They didn't have an entry with those other two gals. It didn't say it was just Ethan. I thought they also mentioned Maddie. But this is something, y'all, you can gain just from the report. You're right. This is completely unconfirmed.

My point is I don't think that the cops i mean we had to get a gas station clerk to go hey i found a picture of the hyundai well nancy i think we need to talk about the car a second there's three points three points i want to make about the car one we have it in real time two we have a direction of travel and, we have somebody at 3 o'clock in the morning that has not come forward. And you have a way to find the weapon that was thrown out of the window when they turned down that road. Good idea. Follow the trail to see if they threw the weapon out. Take a listen to our friends at Inside Edition.

Did the bedroom doors of the four murdered University of Idaho students have electronic locks like this? A former tenant posted this photo and says all six bedrooms had combination locks. It's believed the students had a lock on the door similar to this. This is a keypad lock and I'm at AAA architectural hardware in Manhattan with Richard Brown who is the owner. Are these things reliable? They're very reliable when they're installed properly when they're used properly you press the code That was pre-programmed in push down on the lever handle open the door and then close the door behind you And it should be locked. Hey Moscow police come back here

Meanwhile inside Edition has obtained this body cam video taken on the night of the murders a short distance from the house It's one thing to drink in an apartment where no one can see you. It's another thing for us to drive by and see you guys absolutely stumbling down the road. Three freshmen were cited for underage drinking. Note the time. 3.15 a.m. Police say the murders could have been taking place at that very moment. The three were cited near the Sigma Chi fraternity where Ethan Chapin and Zana

Cronodal attended a party. Look how close it is to the murder house. Cheryl McCollum, Jackie says she didn't hear your third point. You have three points. What are they? The third one is the person in that vehicle at three o'clock in the morning has not come forward. In a

town of 25,000 people, a white Elantra from 2011 to13, ain't no way you ain't heard about this. What's your one and two? Real time in the area and direction of travel. Yeah, and I think to dovetail into that thought again, Nancy, is that direction of travel could be critical because if it is in the area where that original report where the dog incident took place. Correct. That would be very interesting correlating evidence. Take a listen to the Moscow Police.

We have information of a white vehicle that was in the area, either during the time frame of the homicide or around the time frame of the homicide. And we are just wanting to talk to the individuals who are in that vehicle. They may have some valuable information for us. And we're looking for a 2011 to a 2013 Hyundai Elantra. So any assistance you can give us, anybody that owns one, anybody that knows of someone who owns one or may have been driving one, if you could get a hold of us through our tip line or call us directly, we'd appreciate that. Another update.

Stephanie Pagona is joining us from Fox News Digital. I understand that at least one of the victim's parents have hired a lawyer. For what? Yes, that is correct. So, Kaylee Gonsalves' family has hired an attorney. This attorney will deal not only with speaking with police and law enforcement about obtaining information regarding this case, but also is now the point person to speak with media about this case. So what do you make of that, Dale Carson? Well, you know, I just don't know.

And see, the way all of this is not what I want to hear. Well, I'm just I'll tell you. I'll tell you, Nancy. Jump. Her daddy thinks this investigation is his, and he is dead ass wrong. They are not going to tell him anything. They're not going to tell his attorney anything. This is an open and active investigation, and any time they meet with him is a courtesy. He has no right to any information yet. Take a listen to the Moscow Police. Please stick to official news releases for information.

Tracking down rumors and quelling rumors about specific individuals or specific events that may or may not have happened is a huge distraction for investigators and oftentimes is the result of social media propagation and it is very, very frustrating to investigators and hard to stay on track. Finally, I just want to add that we do have a lot of information and we are specifically keeping that information safe. We're not releasing specific details because we do not want to compromise this investigation. It's what we must do. We owe that to the families and we owe that to the victims. We want more than just an arrest. We want a conviction. We owe that justice to Zanna, Kaylee, Madison, and Ethan. Guys, the tip line 208-883-7180. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.