Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Influencer Andrew Tate BUSTED

Episode Date: March 30, 2024

Kickboxer and media influencer Andrew Tate charged with rape, human trafficking and more. Tate and his brother were taken into custody in Romania, where they live. Prosecutors say the Tates and two associates formed an organized criminal group to groom and sexually traffick women in the United States, the United Kingdom, as well as Romania. The indictment names seven women who say the Tate brothers recruited them with false promises, including love and marriage, but instead took them to buildings where they intimidated them, watched over them constantly, forcing them into debt and pornography.  Joining Nancy Grace Today: Greg Ahlgren – International Attorney-at-Law at the US-MX Law Group, Ltd. & DRT Alliance/Diaz Reus International Law Firm Dr. Joni Johnston – Forensic Psychologist and Private Investigator (performs risk and threat assessments on violent offenders); Author: “Serial Killers: 101 Questions True Crime Fans Ask” Sheryl McCollum – Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder & Host of New Podcast: “Zone 7;” Twitter: @149Zone7 Lee Reiber – Mobile Device Forensic Expert, COO: Oxygen Forensics, Inc., Author: “Mobile Forensic Investigations: A Guide to Evidence Collection, Analysis, and Presentation” Dawn Schiller (Los Angeles, CA)- Training Director for the L.A. County Project at Coalition to Abolish Slavery & Trafficking (CAST), Lived Experience Expert Consultant, and Best-selling Author: “The Road Through Wonderland: Surviving John Holmes;" Also a National Speaker, Educator and Mentor; Twitter: @DawnSchiller, Instagram: DawnSchiller55, Facebook: Author Dawn Schiller Caitlyn Becker (Los Angeles, CA) - Senior Reporter for Dailymail.com; Twitter: @caitlynbecker See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last days, a notorious misogynist, woman hater, alleged sex trafficker, and online influencer with a huge social media following. Don't ask me why people follow this guy. Andrew Tate and his creepy brother detained in Romania and handed a UK arrest warrant. Looks like the Brits did what the U.S. was afraid to do. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories and on Sirius XM 111. That's right. The online influencer Andrew Tate, with literally millions of followers go figure was detained and handed an arrest warrant issued by the British government. Tate 37 and creepy brother Tristan Tate detained. They were detained on claims of sex aggression that's what they call it in the UK. And a case dating all the way back to 2015. Now, a Romanian court where the two were hiding out has to make a quote pivotal decision whether they're going to execute the warrants issued by the UK Westminster Magistrates Court. They darn well better if they want to keep relations up with the UK. Four women reported Tate.

Four women, not one, not two, not three, but four, report Tate to authorities for sex violence and physical abuse. For some reason, the Crown decided not to prosecute him. These victims had to turn to crowdfunding to cover their legal costs. The four female victims handed over their evidence about the horrific acts of violence they say they endured and just waited. But time passes, and they were told the UK authorities would not prosecute them. Now, don't forget, Tate is charged in a separate case with rape, human trafficking, and forming a criminal gang to sexually exploit women. Why does this guy have millions of men followers? Freaks! How did the whole thing begin? Possibly the most misogynistic person I have ever encountered. Discussing tactics on how to lure sex trafficking victims. These texts, messages, and more have now been leaked, and it's all spewing

from the empire built by Andrew Tate, a sex trafficker, according to LA law enforcement. First of all, take a listen to this. Most people know Andrew Tate for his online content, which has been called misogynistic. But what most people don't know is that he also runs this secretive all-male society, The War Room, which he says is a kind of self-help society that helps you become a better man. It costs £6,000 a year to join. What we uncovered is that actually within The War Room, they're actually teaching men methods for grooming women into online sex work. And we've identified from the leaked messages you referred to at least 45 potential victims

of this grooming method. Breaking news, disgraced influencer Andrew Tate has been indicted and will face charges of rape, human trafficking and forming a criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking, and forming a criminal gang to sexually exploit women. According to officials, three others will also be charged in connection to human trafficking, including Andrew's brother Tristan. A spokesperson for the Tate brothers confirmed their indictment to NBC News. Both brothers deny all allegations. The two were remanded into custody back in December before being released under house arrest in March. I can't stop someone from being misogynistic that's within them but I tell you this much we can stop sex

trafficking and what's so amazing is he's not trafficking women in secret they're not in the back of massage parlors and nail salons with their papers stolen from them unless they have sex with strangers and then they're pimp making the money. This is not some 13 or 14 year old girl that has been stolen and she's being hidden in some secret apartment somewhere in L.A., far, far away from home, being beaten and drugged. This is right in our face. This is happening right online. I really don't even know where to start. Take a listen to our friends at BBC. Prosecutors have filed formal charges against the controversial influencer Andrew Tate,

his brother Tristan, and two associates. The charges include rape, human trafficking and forming an organised crime group, as well as illegally accessing a computer system and violence against one of the alleged victims. The indictment court says that at the beginning of 2021, the four defendants formed an organised criminal group to commit human trafficking in the United States and Britain. We know there are seven alleged victims who are apparently allegedly recruited by false promises of love and marriage by the two Tate brothers. Love and marriage? My rear end? That is not what this is. This is not about love and marriage. You were hearing

from our friends at BBC as well as NBC. This is not about love and marriage at all. Guys, before I go to senior investigative reporter for DailyMail.com, Caitlin Becker, joining us, I want you to hear our cut 15 from The Dangerous Rise of Andrew Tate. BBC, listen. In the leaked messages that we got access to, we were able to see that

up to 45 women were recruited into working on webcam, potentially groomed using this method without their knowledge. We saw specific examples of men grooming specific women. And in the documentary, we spoke to two of those women, one in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and one on the west coast of the U.S., who both alleged that they personally were groomed by senior members of Andrew Tate's war room. That's not all. Take a listen to our cut 10. Lucy Williamson, BBC. The prosecution also says that women were forced by the defendants to make pornographic content online and alleges that some women did not control the money they made and were fined for crying on camera or for not working hard enough. A spokeswoman for the Tate brothers said that they vehemently denied the serious allegations

against them. Joining me in All-Star panel to make sense of what we know right now, straight out to senior investigative reporter for the DailyMail.com, Caitlin Becker. Caitlin, thank you for being with us. Forty five known alleged victims. There are actually victims in multiple countries. That's not unusual. Do you remember the initial search for Natalie Holloway? We were not only us, but many other journalists and law enforcement were looking at the islands nearest to Aruba, including the Netherlands Antilles, thinking she had been removed from the island for sex trafficking. That is a part of sex trafficking. You remove the victim from their home, from their money,

from their cell phone, from their driver's license, their ID, and they're stuck with you and nowhere to go. And they're being beaten and drugged and they're taken away from their home. The fact that this conspiracy to sex traffic is in many countries, it's hard for some people to believe, but this is the way sex trafficking works. Who is Andrew Tate, Caitlin? Well, Nancy, it's the way sex trafficking works, but it's also the way the Internet works. And Andrew Tate's claim to fame is on the Internet. I mean, he had a short lived stint on British Big Brother, but really he became known in online circles for being kind of a king of misogyny and teaching men how to be men,

which involved subjugating and harassing women. He had very popular online courses. He had one that called something Hustlers, and that was more of his public one. And then this War Room that you've been hearing about was his private one but he also had very popular social media accounts where he propagated this type of bullying and misogyny and as you heard essentially allegedly grooming and he garnered thousands and thousands and thousands of followers and War Room particularly, you had to pay the equivalent of what is about $8,000 to join. So he's then profiting off of this and forwalling like-minded men

to listen to the types of sort of vile information that he's spewing. So the conspiracy goes far and wide. You not only have Andrew and Tristan Tate, the brothers who were at the head of this, sort of the head of the stake, but you also have all of those war room members. You can imagine how far this could go. I mean, we have alleged victims. There are seven in the indictment and they are from all over the world, several in Europe, at least one in the United States.

All of their identities are being protected. We are also hearing potentially 45 others from these leaked telegram messages that the BBC obtained. But Nancy, those messages are only for one year. You have to imagine in one year, if there's 45 potential victims, I can't even fathom how many that could be if we add in all of the other years that we don't have the messages for. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Believe it or not, this perv, Andrew Tate, has nearly 9 million followers on the social media platform X, also known as Twitter. He repeatedly claims prosecutors have no evidence against him and that there is a conspiracy to, quote, silence him. Okay, when you start talking about conspiracies you'll lose me remember everybody said the LAPD had a conspiracy

against OJ Simpson to frame him for double murder BS like you think one of those cops wouldn't take a million dollars for a tell-all book about the so-called conspiracy to frame O.J. Simpson. Yeah, it's my understanding and my experience. It's too difficult for people to keep the piehole shut in a conspiracy. Even social media is shunning him. He's been banned from multiple social media platforms for misogynistic, woman-hating views and hate speech. What more do we know about Andrew Tate and his freaky brother? I know this. They're rolling in money.

Romanian authorities seized 15 luxury cars, 14 designer watches, and cash in several currencies. That's weird. Worth around $ million dollars. These two women haters and alleged sex traffickers are making a mint online. Look, this isn't just a single instance. Over 300 million dollars. U.S. dollars was seized that is the tip of the iceberg with how many people this guy is controlling and how many women are being subjected to sex trafficking forced pornography being raped being beaten. In his chats screenshots purported messages from the

quote war room. Tate describes women as quote targets and assets and explains how to isolate and manipulate women. In one message this woman hater describes how he isolated one woman until she, quote, lost her support networks at home and he kept her in his compound, quote. And this takes like tastes like a dirt sandwich to me. The real goal is for her to agree to never go anywhere without me, not even her hometown. I need her working. This is from his screenshots. He appears to seek help from his associates to force one woman to post sexually explicit content on OnlyFans. He tells his followers he'll be making the play tonight.

Since she moved to his compound, she's been fed, but nothing else. These are his words. She's broke. She can't go home. She can't leave the house. Man, I sound almost evil. Guys, this is such a huge operation. Take a listen to our cut to Lucy Williamson. The charge of human trafficking is an umbrella charge. And within that, there are several counts against each of the four defendants. We're also getting some information from the Organized Crime Unit about the assets that have been seized, properties, cars, luxury watches, but also more than 300 million U.S. dollars in cryptocurrency and we're told that there are separate charges that are still under investigation that may be the subject of a separate indictment in the future.

Think about it. How many times have I told a jury, don't turn away. Think about what's happening around you. Think about these facts. Young women being forced into sex. Right. Think about it. Do you have a daughter, a mother, a sister? Think about her being forced into sex, isolated from her family to the tune of this guy making at least $300 million. Nancy, may I?

I hear someone jumping in. Who is it? Nancy, this is Dawn Schiller. Hi. Guys, this is Dawn Schiller joining us, training director for the L.A. County Project with Coalition to Abolish Slavery and Trafficking. She's the best-selling author of The Road Through Wonderland, Surviving John Holmes. Dawn, please jump in. Go ahead.

Thank you. Thank you. I also call myself a lived experience expert, and that's what we do when we go out and teach and train around human trafficking. So when I hear the word grooming a lot, what it really applies to is recruitment. Grooming is recruitment under the umbrella of what is human trafficking. And luring somebody in on their vulnerabilities based off of needs for love and attention, whatever that is, because they didn't have it at home, is really a classic form of recruitment into where the victim is then now kept in by force, fraud and coercion. And coercion is all types of things. The fraud is this promise of love that never turns into love.

It's always like having to force you into doing something. Guys, I'm looking online at Andrew Tate's leaked text. Wait a minute. This is about maximum difficulty you experience in the business. If we all agree on that, I'll give you a play by play of what I try. I do this for every girl I get to work. If you guys see the value, you guys can use your bottom bitch to do whatever G is doing. You are never going back to your hometown, even to visit without me. You understand?

That is part of his technique. These are his words, not mine. It goes on and on and on. One defendant accused of raping one woman twice using intimidation, constant surveillance, and claims that the victims were in debt. Take a listen to our cut eight from BBC. Prosecutors outlined the testimony and the evidence against Andrew Tate. It includes transcriptions of text and audio messages, which appear to show how the alleged trafficking operation was managed and the apparent coercion, control and abuse of women by Mr. Tate and his co-defendants. In one transcribed exchange, Andrew Tate appears to coerce an alleged victim into group sex using abusive language. His brother

Tristan is also quoted in prosecution transcripts, allegedly talking about slaving women from 10 to 12 hours a day. Okay, to Dr. Joni Johnston, forensic psychologist and private investigator, author of Serial Killers 101 Questions True Crime Fans Ask. Dr. Joni, thank you for being with us. Explain what's happening here. Well, you know, I think the scale or the potential scale of what is going on is mind boggling. But the actual techniques that we're hearing about, I mean, how many times have we heard these, Nancy? You know, just isolating people from their loved ones and people they care about, the abuse, the coercion. I mean, we've heard this a million different ways. It's the way to isolate and control your victims. And it's something we've heard over and over again.

Guys, you think this hasn't happened before? It's happened so many times before. Sex cults. And it's always women and children who are subjugated, who are raped, who are sodomized, who are forced into peeping out for other guys. Take a listen to our cut 19. We're talking about NXIVM. Listen. Allison Mack is due in court facing sex trafficking charges after being accused of involvement in helping to recruit women as alleged sex slaves for a secret sorority within an organization called NXIVM based out of Albany, New York. Mac gave

a testimonial for the group. When I first came, I had on the surface something that seemed to be like the perfect life for a pretty good life. Keith Raniere, the leader of Nexium, is facing charges including sex trafficking and forced labor conspiracy related to that secret sorority. Cheryl McCollum joining me, founder and director of the Cold Case Research Institute. You can find her at coldcasecrimes.org. Cheryl, thank you for being with us. NXIVM is a U.S.-based sex cult where people were actually being branded and beaten right here under our nose, including celebrities. The only thing different here with Andrew Tate is he's rubbing our face in it.

It's right here on the Internet. He's going out to the most expensive restaurant he can and videoing his celebration after getting to walk free on this. Nancy, I think some terminology here is going to be important. Terminology? Yes. My rear end, how is terminology going to put this guy behind bars? Terminology, what does that matter to me? Because they need to understand who he is.

They keep using words like grooming. Who's they? Who's they? Today on the show, people have said grooming. That implies over time, listen to me very carefully. There are three types of pimp. There's the CEO pimp, there's the Romeo pimp, and there's the gorilla pimp. The CEO pimp is all about money. He only cares about money. She's an object. He's going to make money. He owns her. The Romeo pimp may tell her, hey, you're my wife. You're my woman. Put his name on her neck. Tattoo her as property.

But she believes they're together. Then you've got the gorilla pimp. He's going to bust you in your face, shoot you up with heroin, and you are a sex slave in 15 minutes. And here's the thing. The gentleman that is doing all of this, he can go from a CEO pimp to a gorilla pimp or a Romeo pimp to a gorilla pimp. And that's what you're seeing here. He promised them love and marriage. And the next thing they know, they're beaten, laying on the cement floor, working eight

hours a day with no break. And when you say working eight hours a day, what you mean is enduring rape after rape after rape after rape after rape. And the pimp gets the money. Does the arrest of Andrew Tate and his creepy brother spell the end of the so-called manosphere? You know, like hemisphere, but manosphere. The controversial, that's one way to put it influencer andrew tate reportedly will be extradited to the uk this after grainy footage from police shows a man dubbed the quote

king of toxic masculinity being arrested in the dead of the night along with his creepy brother and hauled into a Bucharest court in handcuffs. Within hours, a judge approves the extradition of Andrew and Tristan Tate to the UK, where they now face charges of sex aggression in a case that dates back to 2015. But the judge says the Tate brothers won't actually be sent to the UK until they face trial in Romania on separate charges of human trafficking, rape, and forming a criminal group to exploit women. Tate, now 37, describes himself as a misogynist. He's a British-American social media influencer, a former professional kickboxer, and has around 9 million followers

on X, formerly Twitter. Of course, many of them are just schoolboys. Hello? Multiple women in multiple countries accuse him of rape, sex assault, and trafficking, and of bragging about the crimes on social media. Where's the U.S. in all of this? You want to tell me he has not exploited women from the U.S.? But let's go back to the beginning. To you, Caitlin Becker, senior investigative reporter, DailyMail.com, could you please explain,

obviously I'm not doing a good job, and I accept that. You can do much better than me. Explaining what kind of hate and vitriol Andrew Tate spews. What does he say? Well, first and foremost, Nancy, just to sort of put the pimp question to bed. He, sorry for the really poorly timed pun there too.

He himself had a course called PhD in the war room. This is where the conversations that you were reading came from. And PhD stands for Pimpin' Ho's Degree. So he was doing this very much in plain sight. You know what? You are so polite. I am not. PhD.

Pimpin' Hoes Degree. That's what he calls women, ladies, whores. Pimpin' Whores Degree. whores, pimping whores degree. Now, if he were just, if those were just words, I can't prosecute somebody for words unless they're terroristic threats, but these aren't just words. Where do you think he's getting $300 million plus more. Women are being raped and subjugated and trafficked because of Andrew Tate's cult-like members that he creates. Go ahead, please, Caitlin Becker. Well, on top of that, Nancy, with the money, he essentially ran a pyramid scheme with his Hustlers University. That was his more public platform. It was 50 bucks a month. And they he

essentially gave people advice on how to be a better man and how to get wealthy and how to control women. And then he would have those members go and recruit other members. So he's running this sort of pyramid scheme on one side that I think at one point had something like over 100,000 subscribers, in addition to this other war room, which was certainly more nefarious. And we know from those leaked text messages, that they spoke about women in just the most degrading terms. And they spoke about actions with women, about how they wanted to basically enslave them, how they wanted them to not have any control, like you said, very cult-like, very much cult-like,

not have any control over their finances, not be able to control what they did, what they wore, what they eat, who they saw, and also separate them from their families. So those are sort of the actionable things that he's accused of doing. But what it comes down to is he had a lot of these women allegedly performing online on something like OnlyFans,

which is another subscription-based service, and different kinds of pornography sites, which are other subscription-based services. So he would allegedly get the money in from that while forcing these women for 10, 12 hours a day to perform these sex acts against their will. And these can be done anywhere because everything is online. Cheryl McCollum, I need you right now to help me explain. Then I'm going to go to our other all-star guests. First of all, a renowned

international attorney is joining us, Greg Algren and Lee Reber, incredible forensic detective. Cheryl, I'm not making it clear, I don't think. I need you to help me. I cannot expect everyone in this room or everyone listening right now to understand the outrage that I'm feeling. I think you have to go and you have to either be a sex assault victim yourself, which guess what? You'd be really surprised about the people, you know, that are sex assault victims that have never mentioned it. You'd be very surprised unless you are a sex assault victim or have worked with sex assault victims or you have gone and you have seen for yourself the lives of these women in the back of the nail salon, in the

back of the massage parlors, in the apartments, the houses where they are beaten and drugged and raped by multiple men a day. And their lives are torn apart and they are never the same. The beatings, the humiliations, these women, these girls just go numb. And while I often say, yeah, you can go on, you can go forward in their life. Yeah, you can. But they are forever wounded. Their psyche is forever messed up. Help me, Cheryl. I can't describe the stench, the smell, the anguish, the numbness that these women are

living through right now while we're talking about which word to use, they're being raped and sodomized and beaten right now, Cheryl. Nancy, I think you're doing a beautiful job, but I know for us on the street level in law enforcement, it is so difficult when you find a location and you kick that door in and you see somebody that's about 12 years old and they're scared to death to come to you

they're scared to death to talk they will not give the person's name up they will not tell what's been happening they don't want to be reunited with their families everything in their life is upside down and when you're talking about trying to help somebody and, you know, bring them back home and get them to a place where they can maybe even go back to school, it's almost impossible. Now, Cheryl, hold on. I want to talk about grown women. And yes, everything you just said was right. But these women, it's like the ladies that I work with at the Battered Women's Center. They're so beaten and beaten down and drugged. And it's horrible. I mean,

think about it. It's not much different for us if she's 21 or 35. Everything has been flipped for her. The paranoia is real. The drugs they were given them is real. The beatings are real. So you are so afraid to go against that person it doesn't matter what somebody in law enforcement says what somebody in your family says you believe this person that's been beating you that's been drugging you that's been sexually assaulting you is still in control of you even if they've been taken to jail this is don schiller again i i don't think I am a survivor of all of that. That is exactly what I went through. I went through that with John Holmes. I went through that with almost six years of being hidden, being beaten, being addicted to drugs, being forced into

prostitution, being forced into crime. I did all of that. I know that trauma is a life sentence. So I feel you and I hear you on that on a big level, on a big level. And I do care about these women and I understand what they're going through. What he's doing, I agree with you 100% is absolutely egregious that he's just throwing it in people's faces is even more insulting to survivors and the victims who are still out there scared to death to speak up. You don't know you're a victim when you are coming out of that. You've been brainwashed into believing that you did it to yourself, that you consented to all of that. That's part of the tactics that they use. That's part of the way that these women are trapped. crime stories with nancy grace andrew tate actually rose to fame when he was kicked off the british version of our tv show big brother back in 2016 now this was after the release of a video that appeared to show him attacking a woman.

He claims it was edited and that it's a, quote, lie to make me look bad. Yeah, right. I'm going to believe you are my lying eyes. Chew on that, Tate. He's been banned from other social media platforms like Insta, TikTok, Facebook, YouTube. For some reason, he's still on Twitter slash X. Now, briefly, Twitter, a.k.a. X, did ban Tate because he wrote women should bear, quote, some responsibility, quote, for being sex assaulted. OK, yeah, but then he was reinstated.

Why? Why, Musk? Why, Elon Musk then he was reinstated. Why? Why, Musk? Why, Elon Musk? Was he reinstated? Tate has videos with the hashtag Andrew Tate that have been watched literally billions. That's billion with B as in brother on the TikTok platform, making him one of the most viewed figures, spewing his hatred. Greg Algren is joining us as well as Lee Reber. Greg, high profile international lawyer with the U.S. dash MX law group. Listen to this. More of the messages and the misogynistic hate spewed by this alleged sex trafficker.

This is in his room. It instructs members to, quote, punish victims that would be women for transgressions by having her get our name tattooed on her. One group leader called a general describes how he hit a woman in the head with her own keyboard when she complained about something. The woman who worked for him then went in the room and worked seven hours without a break. It goes on and on and on about how to beat and control women to perform pornographic acts, group sex, many online, many on screen. Greg Algren is joining us.

Greg, a lot of what I know from these alleged messages of Andrew Tate's, I can't bring myself to repeat on the air, but let me ask you, what can the U.S. do about it? Because there is, there are so many victims here, I believe, including one victim whose name has somehow been leaked and all these a-holes working for Tate or working under Tate have actually started trolling her and sending this woman death threats. I mean, what are we going to do about it? And what can we do about it? Sure. So the situation is just, it's so outrageous that it cries out for legal accountability. And I think, you know, eventually it has to catch up with all of them in a permanent way because Andrew Tate is a citizen by birth of the United States. And so he can flee the country, but he can't lose that citizenship.

And that means the U.S., with its network of mutual legal assistance treaties, is always going to have an interest. Perhaps it's a question of sort of capturing the attention of law enforcement, but the U.S. has the means to catch up with him wherever he is and ensure there's some legal accountability. So it needs to happen. A lot of times it's very, very slow. It's bureaucratic, but it's a process that can be virtually impossible to escape from once it gets started. So hopefully we'll see sooner rather than later that legal accountability, there's a structure for it.

It just needs to be engaged. I want you to hear this. Andrew Tate, quote, told rape victim he would get her pregnant, lock her away, allegedly find webcam workers that started crying during sex acts on webcam, and tried to coerce them into group sex. And then they started crying. And so he punished them. This is his business that is making $5 million a month. One victim claims Tate tried to force her to have group sex and said, shut up whore. When she tried to object, there are hundreds and hundreds of pages of reported testimony and evidence verbally, physically abusing these women. One woman tells prosecutors

Tate would rape her while holding her head so she couldn't move and threatened to get her pregnant. I mean, it goes on and on and on. He would take her clothes and shoes away from her and continue to beat her. Shut up, whore. You will do as I say. I mean, it goes on and on and on. And I'm reading you only portions of what I know. Many of these women, apparently, Caitlin, are promised love and marriage, and then they are transported, many of them to Romania, where they are gang, raped, sex exploited, and subjected to physical violence. There are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of pages of reported violence. One victim reports a Tate co-worker, a henchman, threatens to, quote, break her teeth that she would end up in the morgue. The women creating porn for Tate's brothers webcam business allege

their income is controlled by the Tates. They are fined or punished if they start crying during a sex act, if they wipe their nose, if they take too long on a break. It just goes on and on and on. Book this guy, try him, and put him under the jail. That's just my advice. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.