Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - INSIDE HELL: Horrific Body-Cam Inside Kohberger Murder Scene Reveals Truth, BK TRIES TO SELL CAR

Episode Date: August 25, 2025

Chilling newly released body cam video relives the horror of the murders of four University of Idaho students. The surviving roommates are seen outside the home with police, giving full details of what happened the night Kaylee Goncalves, Maddie Mogen, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin were killed by a lone intruder.   Surviving roommate Dylan Mortensen tells Officer Mitch Nunes, she heard a person she believed was Kaylee, scream that "somebody" was in the house, then heard someone run down from the third floor to Xana's room on the second floor where she then heard, what she called, a "commotion".   Mortensen says the sounds of a struggle die down and she hears an unfamiliar male voice say " "You're gonna be fine. I'm gonna help you."   After hearing the man saying  "I'm going to help you", Dylan opens the door and sees Bryan Kohberger, describing him to officer Nunes as "six-feet tall, slim build, a black mask, with bushy eyebrows."  Officers responding to the 911 call from 1122 King Road find the kitchen door ajar. During a walk through the rental house, officers notice blood is smeared on the walls and floors and pooling by their bodies that are on different floors in the house.    .. Joining Nancy Grace today, Greg Morse -  Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, author of “The Untested” found on Amazon; website: morselegal.com   Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Author: "Deal Breaker,”  featured in hit show: "Paris in Love" on Peacock, www.drbethanymarshall.com , Instagram & TikTok: drbethanymarshall, Twitter: @DrBethanyLive   Chris McDonough  - Director At the Cold Case Foundation, Former Homicide Detective, Host of YouTube channel, "The Interview Room" www.coldcasefoundation.org/chris-mcdonough ;   Joseph Scott Morgan  - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan", @JoScottForensic,    Sydney Sumner  - CRIME STORIES Investigative Reporter   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Hart podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Inside Hell. H-E-Double-L, horrific new body cam video emerging inside the Brian Koberger murder scene. And it reveals the truth, the truth of what happened that night when, Four beautiful University of Idaho students were slaughtered in their own beds. The truth that apparently the elected district attorney did not want us to see before he worked a secret plea deal with Coburger. This, as we learned tonight, Coburger tries desperately to sell his car after he goes online and reads reports that white Elantra has been identified near the crime scene.

We find out about damning searches on Kobruger's phone, where he searched for wiretap and psychopaths paranoid. He goes back and forth to Moscow PD website to learn the latest on the murders. And immediately after, he looks up auto detailing when they realize they're onto his elantra. 10 minutes later, he's online shopping for a new car. I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Oh, very much, they were in the name of my first of dancing and laughing. They went upstairs and she screamed to someone who's in the room and she ran downstairs. And I kept calling her name if she wouldn't answer them and I saw the guy.

Can I on a location of your emergency? Hi, something is happening, love. This happens in our house. We don't know what. Oh, my stars, it's just so much worse than the elected district attorney let on. Did you just hear? And we're going to play all this for you to hear and see for yourselves. But Joe Scott Morgan joining me. Joe Scott, did you hear what she said?

Kelly went upstairs and started screaming. There's somebody in a room. That's a lot different than what we were told like it was a silent night. And all you could hear was a muffled whimper. And I'm here to help you. This is a lot different. Yeah, it's really granular when you'd be. begin to see this and you suddenly realize the horror that all of these kids have experienced

at that moment in time, you know, you go back in time and there have been a lot of questions about, well, why didn't they call this in? Why didn't they call it? Why did they delay? Nancy, this almost looks like the fog of war when I see this, you know, just stunned and just beyond belief. It goes back to an old statement I always make, always having to understand the abnormal in the context of the normal. This home that they lived in together, the space that they shared has absolutely been rocked. They've discovered in-house that there is a massacre that has taken place. I don't know about you. I would probably be the same way. It's it rips you down to your absolute core. Guys, I want to play the video. I want to see it and I hear it.

I want to hear it. Listen, where she is. Yep. Yeah. Where's she? We got her phone. You know, close. Yes. He's kind of very small. We're at? Up here.

I didn't. Let's hear. Let's hear. Let's hear. Let's hear. Let's go down. And I came in checking here and using by this town. And I checked this.

And I didn't check him yet. Let's slow down. slow down, just come here. There's two which I get to out of these. Straight out to Sydney Sumner, joining us. Crime Stories, investigative reporter on the case.

Sydney, what we're hearing is the officer who arrives at the scene. There are four people standing outside. Let's see the video. The group is huddled outside. And we hear the officer speaking to the, friend Hunter Johnson. And Johnson is saying up here, up here, I just came to check in here and this is what I found. I checked to see if she's breathing and she's, I think this is going to be not.

I didn't check him yet, referring to Ethan. Then you hear a Moscow first responder state looks like dead bodies. Yes, this is the absolute first response to this home after getting that 911 call. And during that call, the girls in the house tried to explain what happened that they think they saw someone at 4 a.m. But the officer, the dispatcher just wants to know exactly who they can try and help. So immediately after we see what we saw in the cut that just played, EMTs start rushing up to the house. And this officer, who was the first on scene, who first went to check on everything, he has to stop. this group of 25 EMTs that show up to the house and say, you know,

we don't think we need your services. So it's just horrifying. Oh, God. Oh, dear Lord in heaven. You know, Chris McDonough joining me in addition to Joe Scott Morgan. Chris McDonough, Director Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective, hundreds, hundreds of homicides under his belt, star of the interview room on YouTube. Chris, you've been on this case all over it since the beginning.

You've been to the scene. And when we see, as you have been, I've come up on so many crime scenes in the middle of the night, early, early, crazy early morning hours, 3, 4, 5 a.m. And that's what you see. You see the victims and the witnesses like standing out in a cold parking lot. Remember, this is Idaho at Thanksgiving. and everyone is huddled out there, holding themselves shivering, and up come the police. I wonder if they know. They've got to know.

They've got to know everybody's dead because nobody's coming out. Chris McDonnell, I bet you've come up on so many scenes like this. Yeah, Nancy. And of course, the officer there is responding from the dispatch call of a unconscious female. And the first thing you notice when you get there to your point is you see this huddled group of, you know, college students. But as you get near the door, you see one of the kids has his hands above his head. That's a signal that, okay, there's something big going on here that this kid is seeing. And so he grabbed his medic bag, goes up those stairs, and the young man is punter is pointing out what is going.

on in there and the officer immediately does the assessment of, okay, this is a crime scene. So he's now gone from a rescue mission to a criminal investigation almost instantaneously within a couple of minutes of this particular video. And that's when this whole thing starts to take another shift. Chris, you just said something that really gutted me. Look at the one wrapped up in a blanket out there. Dr. Bethany Marshall, he just said something that really struck a nerve. And guys, we've got so much to play.

But this is what you do when you prepare for a case. You look and you look at it and you look at it and you look at it. Notes, notes, notes, everything matters. Dr. Bethany Marshall, I'm going to give you a full intro in a moment. But Chris McDonough said about the one kid, I think that it was Hunter with his hands up. It just hit me about all the crime scenes I've done. been to and all the crime victims and their families, they would be like lying face down in the grass on the front yard. They would be stretched over a car, crying, screaming, their heads up like

he just was describing, like in the air. It's a physical reaction like this or like hugging themselves or bent over or bent over vomiting or bent over crying or just bent over the physical response to what is happening around them. And I didn't even notice that until McDonough said it. You see him just like standing there like this. Like he doesn't know what to do. What is that? Well, Nancy, just a moment before, he says to the officer that he has checked to see

if one of the victims is breathing. So this is a very bloody body. It's a shocking scene. We don't know how he checked to see if this victim was bleeding. Did he touch the wrist, the neck? So he's actually really gone in and engaged with that crime scene. And to me, the hands over the head is almost like the horror of having to touch the victims and getting his hands as far away as possible.

Also kind of like an act of surrender. Like, I give up. My hands are in the air. This is what we see people do. Actually, when maybe they're about to be arrested or incarcerated or something, they back up. Like, the hands in the air, I have nothing to do with this kind of thing. And it's almost as there's a confusion between did he do it, did somebody else do it, what did he just touch. It's such a horrible, I love what Joe Scott Morgan said, like the fog of war, no time to digest or to take in or metabolize what he has just seen.

So he's just backing up in horror all the same time. I'm sorry to cut you off, but just what this MF did when I'm seeing it, when you see it, like, We can talk about it and talk about it. But when you see it and you think what Koberger did and the dichotomy, you go in there and it looks like, you know, a fun house or a bunch of college students live. And you think about what he did to them. I can hardly contain it. And there he is whining about his food. I just, and you see the girls out front just huddled up.

one's in a blanket. They're holding themselves. All of this is nonverbal communication responding to this horrendous, horrendous thing that has happened to their friends. And you know, another thing, Sidney Sumner with me, Sydney, I know that part of Coburger's defense was some other dude did it and he was actually going to blame. They were looking for somebody to blind. Yes, Coburger's defense team was at some point looking at the boyfriends of the women who lived in this home. Even on scene in this body cam video, we see some questions come up. Is anyone having trouble with boyfriends right now? So yes, Coburger's defense team was definitely looking at all of the men in these women's, these victims' lives, trying to see if it was anyone that they

already knew because as we know, this house is very, very confusing. So I think cops definitely and Coburger's defense team thought that they could get away with blaming someone who had more familiarity with this house. I want to follow up on what Sydney Summer just told us. Greg Morse is joining me, veteran defense attorney, founder of Morse Legal, author of The Untested on Amazon. He's at morselegal.com. I guess in your world, the Greg Morse, defense attorney world, that's what you do. You look for somebody to blame. Even though you may suspect your client did it,

murdered four people, you still got to find somebody to pin it on other than him. It's SOP, standard operating procedure. It can be an ex-boyfriend, it could be a current boyfriend, it could be this guy who is about to vomit at what he is found holding his hands up in there. Hey, he's a man, let's blame him.

That's the way it works, right, Morris? tell the truth well so when you're looking at these cases the defense is looking at what can the state prove what is the state's evidence so not actually what happened it doesn't matter the state has the obligation to prove so they probably looked at this and they saw that two of the roommates you know waited to call the police and they probably explored is there is is is the evidence um you know there that we could suggest that other people were involved um yeah i mean and I think the evidence, when you're defending someone like this, what else you're going to say? So there's nothing wrong with them considering it.

I'm guilty. That's one thing that you could say. Okay, Morris, before I go down a rabbit hole with you, I want you to look, Greg. But he did that. He did that already. Can I get you? Can I just move you forward to the next? We've got so much.

Listen to this, guys. Watch this. outside first. I was going to the front door. There's the back entry. I was going to start taking it all off. I'm trying to get it off. Okay.

I'm not first. That is putting it off in there. You're the officer. Shut down in there. You're the officer trying to secure it saying, I've got two. I got two right here. He's talking about two dead bodies.

I got two right here already. The house is clear. In other words, the suspect's not there. There's not a live suspect there. The house is clear to walk through. And they shut the dog, which is common because you don't know when the dog's going to go crazy and start biting you. Shut the dog in there. I'm curious where he shut the dog.

But before I analyze that, I want you to hear more from the survivors. This is Dylan Mortensen. Listen. What do you remember seeing? What started? I remember, I was in my room, and I was trying to go to bed, and I heard Kaylee, who, that's a girlfriend, who goes out of the dog in her. Real fast.

Which one is your room? Kaylee. Which one is your room? Oh. What room are you in that room? My room, not in this room. My room. And your room is this one right here.

Next to stairs. That one, second floor. Okay. All I heard was, I heard, go upstairs, like, okay, I'm going to go to sleep now because she's going upstairs. And you heard who go upstairs? Kaylee and the dog Murphy. And upstairs to the very top? Yeah, that's where her room is.

Dr. Bethany, this is just gutting me because you can hear somebody wailing, crying in the background. It's all dawning on them what's really happened. They haven't seen the bodies yet. I remember the friend, Hunter, saw them. They don't really know what's happening, and it's all just hitting them. They're out in the parking lot. That's Dylan Mortensen wrapped up in the blanket clutching herself, and they're looking around.

Their friends aren't coming out, and the place is swarming with police, and you hear somebody start crying in the background. Nancy, they don't know what we know or what the viewers know. They know nothing. All they know is that there was screaming and crying. What breaks my heart with Dylan is she waited to go to bed until her friend went upstairs. I mean, you see that table with all the solo cups on it? It's like they were, it's a scene of a party, kids having fun, kids like staying up, ordering

door dash, whatever, just enjoying their lives and the horrifying disruption of all of that. They're just, these poor kids are just trying to piece it together and they can't yet. they're just in shock. To Sydney, Sumner, joining me, crime stories, investigative reporter. Sydney,

what is probative about that body camp we just showed? We're learning a lot from every word. I remember I was in my room. I was trying to go to bed. I heard Kelly.

Which one is your room? She's describing whose room is where. And she says, all I heard was, I heard her go upstairs, like, okay, I'm going to go to sleep now.

Kaylee and the dog Murphy. What do you learn? What does this prove, Sydney? Well, for me, so first we have to get in our minds that the entire time Dylan and sis, Kaylee went upstairs. Kaylee screamed. Kaylee ran down the stairs. And the officer even points this out later.

He says to another officer, she somehow knows. She was somehow able to discern. with Kaylee. But we don't think that's actually true. So we have to think about the layout of the house. So Kaylee and Maddie were asleep upstairs. Zana's room was on the second floor where Dylan's room was. So the only thing that makes sense for somebody to have ran down those stairs is Zana, not Kaylee, not Maddie. So we have to get that in our heads as we're listening to Dylan's recollection of events, but it just proves to me that someone was there. These women are correct.

Someone was in their house. So as far as we know, all they know is that Zana was found unconscious. I said, Sid, Sid, Sid, sit, Sid, hold on, hold on. You're saying someone was in the house. Sid, do you think at the time when we think, Kelly, was saying, hey, I'm going to go to bad, I'm going to go sleep. Do you think he was already in the house? Because now I believe that he was already in there waiting for them to go to sleep. I don't think that they all went to their beds and then he snuck in. I agree with you. And we also learn later that Maddie was the last

person to take Murphy out. So Maddie checks in with Dylan and Bethany one more time. Hey, I lost Murphy. I can't get him to come inside. Is he with either of y'all? She is looking for the dog. So again, this dog, who they described for weeks, was on edge before the murders, who was constantly going off into the woods and wouldn't come back when called, just acting very, very oddly, does the same thing this night when they're taking him out for the last time. So I'm kind of feeling like Coburger was watching, watching as they took the dog out for the very last time and maybe snuck in just behind them as they brought the dog in. And I don't know on location of your emergency?

Hi, something is happening. Something happens in our health. We don't know what. What is the address of the emergency? One one. Two. No. Go!

Crime stories with Nancy Grace. I remember I was in my room. I was trying to go to bed and my heart. Her, Kaylee, her herd, go upstairs. Like, okay, I'm going to go to sleep now because she's going upstairs. All of a sudden, who go upstairs? Kaylee and the dog Murphy. Because we were so scared.

They're like, like, you know, could help us. And that's always so I'm supposed to go in. She's not waking up. Yeah. Just released Body Cam from the night of the murders the morning after. Now, flooding our senses, overwhelming gut. wrenching. Of course, this wasn't released until after a plea deal had been offered to the ire, the anger, the exhaustion of some of the victim's families. They did not want this plea deal.

So now we got to give Coburger three hots and a cots for the rest of his life as he whines about the food behind bars. This is bringing the harsh reality. of what police found the morning after. Let's watch. And then all of a sudden, I heard her scream, and she ran downstairs because she saw someone. That's what I'm pretty sure.

She said someone's here, and she screamed and just ran downstairs. And I called for her name, but I jumped up and locked my door because I was so scared. And I heard someone in the bathroom, and I heard her crying, and I heard some guys say that you're going to be okay. I'm going to help you.

And I kept calling her name, but she wasn't even. answering, and then I opened the door for a second, and I saw this guy, and he was not insanely tall, but he was wearing all black and, like, this mask that was just covering his forehead and his mouth. And then I locked the door, and I called back, and I didn't know what to do. This is that for a minute, yes. You know, it all seemingly happened a lot faster than we visualized based on what the district

attorney had originally told us, like, they were all going to bed after a lullaby, and then basically died in their sleep. That's not what happened at all. Dr. Bethany Marshall, what about this get up? Dr. Bethany Marshall, we're now psychoanalyst out of the LA jurisdiction author of Deal Breaker. You can see her now on Peacock and find her at Dr. Bethanymarshal.com. Dr. Bethany, he's all dressed up. Somebody's been watching too many movies, right? All just up in black with the hat, the mask, the black outfit covering his clothes. everything. He really thought this. It was like he's playing a role. He's all dressed up for it. It's like this as cosplay as a mass murderer, right? In some ways, he's embodied this role for so many years.

He's fantasized about it. He's thought about it. He's taught. He's done studies. Asked other people about sexual crimes during the course of a burglary. I mean, this is his reason for living, Nancy. This is his moment. of glory. This is the bride standing in front of the altar saying, yay, I'm going to finally get married. But what I see in all of this is a terrifying scene that turns into a melee. Dr. Bethany, you're right. The start reality of what we're seeing. And there's so much to take in is very different than what we were told. I mean, what do they think we are, fat, dumb and happy? We can't figure it out. and now we're just going to go along with that cheap play deal. Watch this.

And so I just ran down to the... You left here? I left my room down to the bedroom. She's that one with the white blind at the very bottom. I ran down there and we talked and we just locked the door. We didn't think anything of it. We were like, nothing happens in Moscow. So we just like tried to go to bed.

And then we woke up and it was weird because none of our roommates were up. And we called all of them. They were not waking up. And so mean, like, this is weird. So I called. And I come over, and then that's what happens. Did you hear that Chris McDonagh? You and I have walked the crime scene many, many times.

Nothing happens in Moscow. They locked the door. There was no sign of force entry. This tells me he was already in there. Yeah, Nancy, that's a possibility for sure that he had come in through that back door when the dog was brought in. But, you know, kudos to this first officer on the scene here, the one that's interviewing Dylan. I mean, think about this.

This is the largest murder at that time in Idaho, I think probably in their history in terms of its magnitude. This is an officer who has slowed things down. He's a new officer. I think he's in his 20s. He's around the individuals who are the same age as him. He's gone into that scene. he's seen everything that's going on in there and there's one officer that runs up those stairs initially and he tells him immediately slow down that is there are over 300 decisions

that need to be made within 15 minutes of a homicide over 300 decisions now think about that this is a young officer never seen anything like this and now he's pulled this witness apart up to the side and said okay what is going on here and then Dylan starts to tell this story and they start making those connections could the dog you know have been out could this suspect have been in that house and it's it's total chaos initially but then it becomes organized chaos and I got to give this officer credit because he again he shifted immediately into a crime scene preservation and crime scene investigation. Chris McDonough, watch this.

Who all lives here with you? Me. Is it that one right there? Okay. Who's the same? Santa. Is it a girl in there? Is the girl that is this one?

Yeah. Okay. How do you spell her name? Z, I mean, X-A-N-A. Do you know if she has a middle name? Alexis, I think. Do you know what her last name is? Cronodal, K, I don't have to spell it, really, K-U-N-O-D-L-E.

K, A-E-R. K-E-R. K-E-R. N-O-O-T, L-E. D-L-E? Okay. X-A-N-A. X-A-N-A, okay.

He doesn't actually live here, but he's here at all the time. He doesn't actually live here. He's in the Wendezana, I believe. He's in the right now. But he doesn't live here at. He's here a lot. And then there's Maddie, Morgan, and Keeley up top. I don't know where they're at, no. Joseph Scott Morgan, joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Star of a Hit Podcast Body Baggs with Joe Scott Morgan.

Joe Scott, you hear the officer immediately zone in on Ethan. And Ethan is a male. He lives here because this is, well, I'd say obviously, statistically, obviously a man did it. So he zoned right in there. But my point is you're hearing Dylan Mortensen as she's clutching a blanket around her. Sounds like she thinks Ethan is still alive. She says he doesn't actually live here. He's in the room with Zana, I believe.

So she's talking like he's still alive. Yeah, yeah. And she has no way to validate that. Again, going back to this idea, you know, it's like she's been, it's like she's been punched in the face at this point in time. She's so stunned because this is unlike anything else they've ever seen before. And also there's this realization that's creeping in. I've seen this actually happen at crime scenes where people, as it begins to kind of, the tempo kind of slows down, they suddenly have this awareness, those that are surviving. that they were actually in a house where a mass event like this took place, a mass murder took place, and suddenly that's beginning to trickle into their brain. And again, that makes them sometimes rather shocking when you're going to go talk to them. And you've got all of this data that's coming into their brain and trying to get information out of them.

This officer's very calm. I love the way he kind of has this very kind of affect. or kind voice pattern where he's speaking to them. He's very warm. He's not trying to push her in any way you just let them talk. The best way you can get information out of somebody is to shut your mouth and listen to them. And you kind of gently direct them along the way because this is something that is so incredibly traumatic for them.

Cindy Sumner, Crime Stories Investigator Reporter, I don't believe at this juncture. They have any idea that everyone is lying dead in there. because she says, I don't know where they're at, though. Yeah, that's Dylan speaking to an officer about Kaylee and Maddie specifically. I don't know where they're at. So Dylan and Bethany aren't even sure those girls are home. So they have no idea that anyone is hurt, injured, dead, except for Zana. And, yeah, they are just completely out of the loop here.

And later, Hunter Johnson speaking with authorities, again, he's upset that he's the only one that knows what's happening. Yeah, and she actually thought Zana had passed out from the night of partying. You know, you're right, Sidney, at this juncture. And why do you say that, Sid, that they don't know what happened? But these girls wake up after hearing this scary event last night, and there's even some confusion about what happened. So at one point, Bethany described hearing what she thought was a firework.

So it's almost four in the morning. All of her roommates have come home from different parties, different events, and she thinks they're just drunk and messing around and somebody set off a firework in the house. So they're not really know what happened. They're a little bit scared because no one's answering their phones. They're trying to call them to just be like, hey, I'm trying to go to sleep. Can y'all be quiet? Nobody's answering.

So that kind of freaks them out. And then Dylan sees this die that she doesn't recognize. So she runs down to Bethany's room. And at that point, in the dark, running through the house, that's when she sees Zana on the ground. And at this point, nothing seems that out of the ordinary. Zana was out drinking. So baby Zana is just passed out and she's sleeping in kind of a weird position. But Dylan doesn't really think anything of it when she's running down to Bethany's room.

And the girls in the room now feeling a little. little bit safer since they have each other. They not off to sleep. It's very, very late. So in the morning, they still can't get anyone on the phone. They don't know what's going on. They contact a friend to maybe come check the house for them. And that friend is saying, hey, we need to call 911. Something is wrong here. And other than that, they have no idea what's going on. The girl did not see any of the crime scene, the surviving victims. They didn't see anything of what went on there. That's the officer's first question to Dylan when he really starts interviewing her. How much of that did you see? And she goes, how much of what? Nothing. I didn't see anything.

So she's, they're trying to get more information out of these officers, but they are keeping things very close to the chest and the girls don't know what's going on. All right. Describe the guy that you saw. I don't think he was a little bit taller than me. I couldn't really see much of him, but I'm almost positive. He was wearing a full-back outfit, and he had this mask that was just over his forehead and over his mouth, and he didn't say anything to me, like, at all. I just shut the door and locked it, because I didn't know what to do. And I think he went out, like, the side door, the sliding door in the kitchen that goes out to the backyard.

And then I didn't know anything else, but I called me, and I was like, I just need to come downstairs and find you because I don't know where anyone else is. and I called Maddie, I called Dana, I called Kaylee Moore, and she said. Let's hear more of what Dylan Mortensen said that morning. I heard her scream and run as fast as she could downstairs, and she said someone's here. She ran downstairs? Yes, I can hear it. You can hear everything.

I'm not sure I heard her to run downstairs really fast. And then I heard Murphy barking a lot. Okay. And then I heard her going to the... but I think it was the bathroom, and I remember her sobbing, and I just remember this guy's voice, and I didn't recognize saying, you're going to be okay to help you,

but it wasn't like, I don't know how to explain it. Like, it wasn't in, like, a nice way. It was, like, a weird way, like a weird tone. You're going to be okay. I'm going to help you. Yeah. And you didn't hear anything from Taylor anymore? No, except that. I didn't hear anything.

Jessica Morgan, that is, it leaves me speechless she says yes i can hear you can hear everything i heard her run downstairs really fast and i heard murphy barking a lot she said someone's here and i heard her going to the bathroom her sobbing i mean think about it joe scott make yourself think about it follow it through to its logical conclusion she was sobbing and she was sobbing and she here's the guy say, you're going to be okay. Had she already been stabbed a couple of times? She was in there sobbing.

Not Dylan, Kelly, sobbing. Why is she crying? And she says that the voice was not in a quote, nice way, it was a weird way, I'm going to help you. Yeah, and not surprising. Hey, there's one more point here. where we can kind of validate this. Nancy, do you remember when the CCTV that new batch was dropped

where we see the car going around, going around, going around? Do you remember you can hear the dog barking? And I mean, it's like at a high pitch. And some people have stated, and I think Chris has kind of talked about this a little bit, where you can see, you can hear some other sound in this that sounds almost like a person crying out or making, you know, that in pain or whatever it is, but you can hear Murphy is going nuts. I believe that that's Murphy, and that might validate what Dylan is saying here at this point.

So you've got these two points along the way where you can go back and try to plan the timeline. You can understand what she's saying, and all these pieces are starting to fit together. Whereas before, it's just been total confusion. So you couple this with the CCTV images that we have that you guys are showing right now. And you couple that with Dillon's statement, it becomes even more powerful. What kind of psychopath, Dr. Bethany, goes in, scares Kelly like this. She's sobbing. Think, make yourself imagine it.

What does she crumple down between the commode and the bathtub, hiding, holding her hands up as he's stabbing her? She's already crying and Dylan hears, I'm going to help you. It's going to be okay, but not in a nice way. And we are feeding this guy, his special vegan meal. What? I don't understand why the prosecutor did not take this to trial. Why are we just now learning the truth? This guy, if there's going to be a death penalty, which is a whole other political fight,

this is the one. Nancy, I feel disgust and distress just hearing this. This poor girl, she probably was already stabbed or had witnessed her friends being stabbed. She was in the middle of a horror scene. She runs into the bathroom and it's like, it's almost like she got away for just a second. And then he comes after her again lying, saying he's going to help her. Because in his mind, he's doing some glorious sexual. exciting thing. He'll say whatever it takes just to lure her back out again. So she doesn't die

instantaneously. She dies having witnessed something horrible, having been inflicted, have cruelty inflicted on her, bleeding, seeing the blood. We don't yet know exactly what that crime scene looks like, but it made me wonder about what amount of blood was in that bathroom. Well, here's another thing And to wonder about to Chris McDonough, who has walked to the crime scene many times, Chris, we know she's sobbing in the bathroom, but that's not where her body was found, right? Right. Yes. That's correct.

I share it. So, and remember, of course, while Dylan is given this statement, she's shaking. You can, you see her hands. You know, she's constantly moving her hand. She has that blanket over her at this point. that's from all the adrenaline that's kicking through their you know through her body and so when she's giving the statement she is of the belief that she's hearing maybe that's Kaley but in fact it probably turns out that that was Xana who had who had gone upstairs and interrupted the fantasy

of Brian Kohlberger and then he becomes the helper of as we've talked about many times on your program here, Nancy. And that, that methodical verbiage that he uses, I'm here to help you. That gives us a mindset into this animal. He is as calm as a cucumber. And he is executing this fan. Do you see that green trash can? Isn't that near where you, Chris, saw that the glove out in the parking lot and showed the police? Yes, it's right behind that trash can. Correct. And that, That tells us about the totality of how many decisions are being made rather rapidly, right? There's a lot going on here. You know, following up on what McDonough is saying, Dr. Bethany, how angry do you think it made Coburger for what we think, Zana interrupting his sex fantasy that ends up in stabbing the girls dead?

You know, Nancy, in these kinds of crime scenes, often is not deposited in or on the body. Often it's in another room or in the corner of the room because these guys work themselves up into such an angry frenzy that they can't even ejaculate where they want to ejaculate. So when she runs into the bathroom, it's like he's watching someone disturb his little sex scene. and when he says to her, I'm going to help you. I think he's so used to manipulating and lying to people. He's actually even lying to himself, that he's just there to do some helpful thing, to do her a favor.

This is all consensual. His mind is sweet and twisted. Well, Bethany, I just can't help but wonder what the victims are thinking when they see this guy. He says, I'm here to help you. But he's in their home. They don't know him. They've never seen him before.

and he's got a K-bar. Hey, can I see Greg Morse really quickly? Greg Morse, veteran trial lawyer and author, Greg, I don't want you to reveal any names, of course, but you know the defense had seen all of this body cam video that we're just now seeing after the plea deal is all over, signed, sealed, and delivered. Do you, having seen the evidence, ever like you're sitting there with your client and you look over and you're like, I got to get out of here, I can't even sit next to this guy. He's so evil.

but yet you manage to, you know, quill that thought and carry on? Listen, I've represented for 25 years people accused of murder, people accused of rape, of children, of adults, and every type of crime. I'm defending the Constitution as a defense law and making sure the state follows the Constitution and there's nothing improper. So, no, I don't get into those dilemmas. But again, you have to divorce yourself from the emotion of crime when you're a criminal defense lawyer as a person. So, no, I've never had those feelings, but I don't look at my job in defending necessarily a person as much as what can the state prove. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. And then me, Maddie about Murphy, and then...

Murphy's a dog? Yeah, and then I went aside to bed, and she was so creepy. And then I was in my bed, like, about a ghost lady just said that she lost Murphy. Like, she was, like, and was wondering if she was with me, and I just didn't know. And then they went to back. At what time you think she'll see? Um, maybe two, pretty, three, you. You're hearing Bethany Funk speaking to Moscow PD.

This is the morning after her roommates were murdered by Brian Koberger. Sydney, Sumner, do you hear that? I was in my bed, about to go to sleep. And Maddie just said that she lost Murphy. And she was like, I was wondering if he was with me. And I just said no. And I went to bed. You see what's happening here?

All the speculation about the dog. He had been there before and he had befriended the dog. He knew Murphy. And Murphy was part. Murphy, the dog, was part of the scenario. that night, Sidney. Absolutely. I think that's exactly what we're hearing. So it seems like, I don't know, for me personally, when I have guests in my home,

and I lock my pets in my room with me. So I think that's probably was their usual go-to. Maddie and Kaylee planned to lock Murphy in the room with them before they went to sleep. But Maddie took Murphy out. And now that she's come back inside, she doesn't know where he went. She's trying to find him so they can lay down to go to sleep. So it's unclear of Murphy was still outside if he was just wandering somewhere else in the house. Maybe he already found Coburger in their bedroom and was speaking with him.

But from what we know, it sounds like these girls were asleep in the top room when Coburger attacked Kaylee and Maddie. Guys, listen to this. There's a guy, black mask, was in there. She didn't recognize him. She heard a girl screaming upstairs. She got scared to walk yourself in the room. And then the screaming all stopped. She's pretty sure that this masked person went out back.

And right now, getting all the information. She knows where you two girls are out there. I haven't told her who's deceased. They just have four people that are on a counselor. Who's dog? Who's dog? Who owns a dog? Jessica Morgan right there, we're hearing, they're still trying to figure this thing out about the dog. And we've been talking about it from the very beginning. But also, they say there were no footprints. We also hear that they haven't told Dylan that they don't know that they're dead.

And they're just saying, quote, the four people are unaccounted for. Yeah, that's kind of standard fair because as soon as you do that, it's like pulling a pin on a grenade because they're all going to kind of decompensate at that point, Tom. You're not going to be able to get them back on track relative to getting information out of them. So less is more here. You have to kind of work this because keep in mind, Nancy, you're seeing these gentlemen on screen right here, all right? They have no idea what they're dealing with, except that they know that they have four college students that have literally been butchered in this residence. They can validate that in their mind. This is the other thing they're thinking about.

The broad concept of public safety, where is this guy? They're trying to gather as much information as they possibly can to push it out there so that they can do at APB or whatever it is they need to do to track this person down because they're going to set off a panic here. And again, as Sidney told us earlier, we find out the only one that knew what had really happened was Hunter Johnson, the kid that had his hands up over his head in anguish. Listen to Hunter Johnson. I forgot your ear, man. Do you still want to hang out here? I just wanted to know what's going on. Yeah.

I don't know how much I don't want to disclose right now. we're processing what's going on in the scene. As soon as we know for sure, we can tell you guys what's going on, we absolutely will. I know it sucks to be in the dark with this, but... Okay. And what's your relationship again? Okay.

Yeah, man, as soon as I know we're able to fill you in on what's going on, We'll let you know, okay. Okay, so you guys watching Vampire Diaries out in this main, the second level? Okay, and then for how long? Um, I don't know. And then Maddie and Kate and she went to the club. And then we all hung out and Kaylee so terrible. So Maddie and Kaylee were at the club?

Yeah. Do you know how long they were there? Probably until closing at least. I don't know. And then they came home at about what time? It's okay. You're doing great. So they did get home at too?

How do you know that? So they're all sitting around watching Vampire Diaries. Some of the girls go out. they come back in, they're talking, they all start going to bed. What does this mean, Sidney Sumner? Bethany says, the cop says, how do you know it's round two? And she says, I just have a picture of Kelly's room with Murphy. What does that mean?

Did they take a selfie or something? That's what I would assume. That's what that means to me. So she said, I know that they were home at this time because I have a photo with Murphy at this time. So it's an approximation, but that would be my assumption. She took a photo with Murphy or she took a photo of Murphy and using that time stamp she determined when they got home. All of this being released as we learn of damning searches Koberger made on his phone and devices. Once he finds out as he frantically visits the Moscow PD site that a white launcher has been seen,

he looks up detailing for his car, he immediately goes online and starts trying to sell his car. So damning all of this, a jury will never see. A jury will never hear. No wonder the Gonzalva's family is so angry about this. We wait as justice continues to unfold. Nancy Gray signing off. Goodbye, friend. Thank you.