Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - JUST SPOTTED: Yoga Teacher On the Run After She Stalks, Murders 'Other Woman'

Episode Date: June 7, 2022

An international manhunt is underway for the suspected killer of professional cyclist Moriah “Mo” Wilson. Police say 34-year-old yoga teacher, Kaitlyn Armstrong, was dropped off at the New...ark Liberty International Airport just a day after an arrest warrant was issued. Police say Armstrong shot and killed 25-year-old Wilson in a jealous fit of rage, allegedly for having an affair with Armstrong's boyfriend, Colin Strickland, who is also a top-rated professional cyclist.  On the night she was killed, Wilson was in Austin, Texas preparing for a race.  Police say she went on a date with Strickland, first swimming with him at a popular pool and then having dinner together.  After the date, Wilson returned to the house where she was staying.  Minutes later, she was shot dead. Police say Armstrong knew about the date because she'd been stalking Wilson. Ring camera video shows the suspect's car outside the house around the time of the murder.  Joining Nancy Grace Today: Rania Mankarious, CEO, Crime Stoppers of Houston, Author: "The Online World, What You Think You Know and What You Don’t: 4 Critical Tools for Navigating the Digital Age", Crime-Stoppers.org, RaniaMankarious.com, Instagram/Twitter: @TheRaniaReport  James Shelnutt - 27 years Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective, Former S.W.A.T. officer, Attorney (Gadsden, AL), The Shelnutt Law Firm, P.C., ShelnuttLawFirm.com, Twitter: @ShelnuttLawFirm,  Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy (Miami Beach, FL), Panthermitigation.com, Twitter: @TrialDoc, Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology"  Irv Brandt - Former US Marshals Service International Investigations Branch, Author: "FLYING SOLO: Top of the World" available on Amazon IrvBrandt.com, Twitter: @JackSoloAuthor  Joe Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics: Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet", Host: "Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan" Stephanie Pagones - Crime Reporter, Fox News Digital, Twitter: @steph_pagones  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She did it all for love. Sounds romantic, right? Well, does that include murder? Is being so head over heels in love a defense to cold-blooded murder? I would submit it is not. support my theory. I'm talking about none other than a beautiful young yoga teacher, now one of the most wanted people in the country. Why? Because according to all the evidence that we have amassed so far, she gunned down her love rival over a cheating boyfriend. Now, it wasn't just any love rival. It was the number one female dirt gravel cyclist in the world. A beautiful, young bike rider, a champion, a pro, Anna Mariah Moe Wilson, just 25 years old. Over what?
Starting point is 00:01:27 Colin Strickland, the cheating boyfriend. I'll just go out on a limb and say he was cheating. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111 with the very latest in the search for a woman now deemed to be on the major most wanted list by the U.S. Marshals. I'm talking about Caitlin Marie Armstrong. She has just been spotted in yet
Starting point is 00:01:55 another airport. Now, is this woman slipping through the fingers like Houdini of the U.S. Marshals and everybody from the Texas Rangers to New York Police to New York Airport Security. How's that happening? Well, first of all, let's start it off with the very latest. Our friends at KVUE listen. Surveillance footage shows Armstrong flying into New York's LaGuardia Airport on May 14th. Then on May 18th, the day after a murder warrant was issued for Armstrong, someone dropped her off at New Jersey's Newark airport. However, there was no record of her taking a flight out of Newark. Now, a spokesperson with the U.S. Marshal's office tells KVUE that Armstrong's Jeep Grand Cherokee, which is seen on surveillance footage near Wilson's house on the
Starting point is 00:02:42 day of her murder, is also missing. And it's possible it's located somewhere in the Austin area. So anyone with details on where Armstrong may be or where that Jeep may be located, you're asked to call the U.S. Marshal's office. That Jeep was last seen when she was on the run. Is there any way on God's green earth that this woman could have taken the Jeep all the way to New York from Texas? Did she somehow elude Texas Rangers? That black Jeep Cherokee still has not been found. Let's take a look at what we know right now.
Starting point is 00:03:20 But for those of you just joining us, how did the whole thing start? Take a listen to Amanda Salinas at Fox 7. Police are investigating a suspicious death in East Austin. This happened on Maple Avenue near East 17th Street overnight. A woman called police saying she found her friend inside her house unresponsive and there was blood near her. When officers arrived, they found the victim had gunshot wounds. AMS provided life-saving measures, but the woman later died from her injuries. Police do not know how long she was inside the home, but did call her death suspicious. It is unclear if a gun was found on scene. And more on our Cut 2 from John Greenjack at Fox 7 Austin. Listen.
Starting point is 00:03:59 Tonight we're learning the victim of a deadly shooting in East Austin earlier this week was a well-known cyclist who was supposed to take part in a mountain bike race in the hill country today. Anna Wilson, better known by her middle name Mariah, was pronounced dead on Wednesday night at home on Maple Avenue near 18th Street. Austin police were called there after a friend of Wilson's returned home to find the 25-year-old unconscious with gunshot wounds. APD has identified a person of interest and does not believe the shooting was random. They're urging anyone with information or video of what happened to give them a call. Now, according to the cycling magazine Velo, Wilson was in Texas ahead of today's gravel low-coast race in Hiko,
Starting point is 00:04:42 where she was a favorite to win. Velo published a statement from her family saying she was, quote, always pushing tirelessly to reach her goals. We knew she was pursuing that, which she loved. The family adding, we know Mariah would want the event to carry on. Okay, joining me in all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now. First, straight out to Stephanie Pagonis, crime reporter with Fox News Digital. Stephanie, thank you for being with us. I'm going to circle back about the murder of Mariah. She's shot multiple times, and we think that somehow she either did not lock the door of the apartment where she was staying with a friend, or that possibly the killer had the code to get in.
Starting point is 00:05:27 The killer is caught circling the apartment repeatedly in that black Cherokee. And she apparently followed her cheating boyfriend, followed right behind them as he was with the victim and spent the day with her, dropped Mo off, Mariah off, and then right behind him on surveillance video, you see in comes Caitlin Armstrong. How mad do you think she was following them all around town? And she used, very interesting, a cycling app to do it. An app where Mariah would tell her followers where she was biking. I'm going to go back to all of that, but let me ask you this, Stephanie Pagonis, let's talk about the very latest. And that is the sighting of Caitlin Armstrong now at Newark, because on May 14,
Starting point is 00:06:22 she clears out of Texas. She eludes the Texas Rangers. That was a debacle. You know, they had her on a warrant for Botoxing and running. She apparently got Botox, offered her a MasterCard, and then went, oh, wait, let me use the card in my car. Takes off to get the other card and never comes back. So there was a warrant out for that. And they had her. They had her there questioning her about the shooting.
Starting point is 00:06:50 And then the DOB date of birth was different on the other warrant. And they let her go. That's a whole nother can of worms. Talk to me, Stephanie Begonus, about the sighting at Newark. That's right. So one day after police issued this arrest warrant for the murder of Mel Wilson, Kaylin Armstrong was seen at Newark Airport, but police have no record of any reservations under her name, no outbound flights with her name on the manifest. So this
Starting point is 00:07:21 is still under investigation, but it's quite bizarre. Four days after she's first seen at three airports, those being Austin, Houston, and then LaGuardia in New York City, she spotted it in New Jersey. Let's go through the timeline. To Irv Brandt, joining me, former U.S. Marshal with the International Investigations Branch and author of Flying Solo. Irv, thank you so much for being with us. Let's look at the timeline. Okay. We know that she was there at LaGuardia having come through Hobby, which was amazing to me that she flew unencumbered. She looks like she's traveling with nothing but a backpack and a yoga mat. And hey, Joe Scott Morgan, I'm going to circle back to you on this. She's wearing the same exact outfit at Newark Airport that she had on at the LaGuardia Airport when she came through the first time, which tells me a lot about where she's living, where she's
Starting point is 00:08:20 staying, how she's living. Talk to me about your view of the logistics of where Caitlin Armstrong is and what she's doing. I'm not convinced she ever took a flight out of Newark. Well, Nancy, that's possible. She could have been dropped off at Liberty. As you know, the trains run from Liberty Airport back into New York City. She could have got on, I believe it's called the path. Yeah, but wouldn't they have video of that? Yes. Yes. I'm sure they're searching the video to see if they can get an image captured outside
Starting point is 00:08:57 the airport or where the trains, where you pick up the trains. It's also possible that she just needed an ID. You know that it's a valid government ID is required to fly, you know, for domestic flights and, of course, passport. Well, OK, I don't know the connection you're making between her showing up at Liberty International in Newark and needing an ID. Because, I mean, you can go online and put, how do I get a fake ID? You can have one in 48 hours. So that's not hard. That's true, and everyone's been through TSA.
Starting point is 00:09:35 If you present an ID, if you present someone else's driver's license that even just looks a little bit like you. It's not like they study it. They just scan it and it goes through. And I mean, same way for a passport. People's appearances on their passport photos change over time. It's not uncommon. Okay, I know you're going somewhere with this. Logistics, I'm talking to you about where is Caitlin Armstrong?
Starting point is 00:10:07 Why did she show up at Liberty Airport? There's no indication she ever left by plane. So far, she's outsmarted the authorities at every turn. Did she leave by plane? You know, to you, Joe Scott Morgan, let me ask you this. If there's no indication she left by plane, and I'm not necessarily agreeing with that. With me is Joe Scott Morgan, professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, star of a new hit series, Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan on iHeart. Joe Scott, when they tell me we don't have a record of her leaving Newark, and I'm talking about when I say Newark, the airport, like LaGuardia or JFK. So she could very well have another passport. She could have walked into a bathroom, put her hair back, put on a different shirt and got on another plane, completely undetected with a fake ID. Or Brant was talking about a fake ID. Maybe she's traveling under a fake ID. Maybe she left on a train wearing that same outfit with a yoga mat behind her, which tells me a lot about her
Starting point is 00:11:10 thinking. All right. We're looking for you to go get a yoga teacher with long blondish brown hair. And who walks through the airport? A woman, tall, white, female thin, with long, blondish-brown hair, with a yoga mat on her back. Hello? What's going through her head? So did she leave by plane? Did she leave by train? Or did she turn around and leave the same way she came? But why go to that extent to throw off authorities?
Starting point is 00:11:42 To be seen on video at Newark? I wouldn't do that. Is she a master criminal? You know, that she has that much perception that she's, you know, running this cat and mouse game. I don't know about you. Please. She just ran out on a $600 Botox bill. She's not a master criminal. Although she did, she did pull it off. She didn't get caught. There's a key word here that keeps being thrown out relative to the Newark issue. And this is coming, you know, I don't know if the press is getting this word from law enforcement, but it says someone, someone dropped her off. Well, what does that mean? She took a cab out of the city
Starting point is 00:12:18 and went to New York vis-a-vis cab. I don't think she's running on Uber, you know, because that's got an electronic signature to it. But I'm'm looking at an image right now this alleged image from her why are you saying this alleged image of her it's her i can't i can't no no no it looks just like the the laguardia image yeah well the one that i'm seeing right now this is very interesting she's wearing a blue jean jacket a gray shirt white pants but nancy's sitting right on top of her hand here is a cell phone and i'm thinking why why haven't you dumped this thing yet it's a pink it looks like it's in a pink case it looks like it's probably an iphone more than likely you know if she's that sophisticated uh why hasn't she dumped the phone yet or is this a burner phone that she's got the pink cover did throw me because I don't normally think of a burner phone having a pink cover.
Starting point is 00:13:09 But hey, you know, haven't you walked through them all? You can't turn around without bumping into a cell phone kiosk. They're everywhere. So long story short, would she spend money on a pink cover for a burner phone she's going to get rid of, which is a long discourse in my notes about how you would use a burner phone. And here's my thought before I lose it. Certainly the cops went through her iCloud, her laptop, her iPad, if she has a desktop, to get all of her contacts, to get ideas about where she may be going. Did she book a flight through any of her devices? Certainly, they've looked in the iCloud. I would look at who her most frequent callers are,
Starting point is 00:14:03 who she's calling, and then find out if they're getting calls from a burner phone. It's so simple. And then find that burner phone and ping it for Pete's sake. Yeah, one more thing back to this issue of burner phone, and I'll be quiet. Please don't be quiet. No, the thought for me is this. I cannot imagine that she is using any kind of electronic device, you know, something that can be traced back electronically to purchase things with.
Starting point is 00:14:29 She's a cash only business right now. And I'm thinking cash is precious to her. There's only so much cash you can carry with you. And I don't know how much she may have had on board. Did she run to the bank before she, you know, bolted out of Texas? And, you know, that's the coin of the realm, if you will. I can't imagine she's using cash, this precious cash, to go out and purchase something that's kind of expensive. Why not just dump the phone and you just run?
Starting point is 00:14:56 You just run without any way to electronically connect you. Okay, guys. Where is Caitlin Marie Armstrong? She's at the center of a deadly love triangle. Take a listen now to our cut 35. This is Kelly Saberi, Austin. Armstrong has not been seen since May 13th. She's also deleted all her social media accounts, according to anonymous tips to APD's homicide unit.
Starting point is 00:15:24 Wilson died on May 11th in an East Austin apartment. Her friend that she was staying with found her bleeding and unconscious upon returning home. Police say she suffered from multiple gunshot wounds. Wilson traveled to Austin for the Gravel Locos race, where she was favored to win. Earlier this month, a few weeks before that, she also won another competition out in California. She and Armstrong both had romantic relationships with the same man, Colin Strickland, another professional cyclist. The day of Wilson's death, she and Strickland went to Deep Eddy's pool and ate dinner together. The two had a week-long relationship last fall, and that's while he
Starting point is 00:15:59 was on a break from his relationship with Armstrong. Detectives believe that video shows Armstrong's SUV pulling up to the home Wilson was staying in just one minute after Strickland dropped her off. When Armstrong was confronted with the video of the vehicle, detectives wrote, quote, she had no explanation as to why it was in the area and did not make any denials. Wow. And they let her go. They showed her the ring video of her driving around the murder scene. She got upset and walked out. And they let her slip through their fingers. A whole nother can of worms.
Starting point is 00:16:34 But I want you to hear more from Detective Richard Spiller in Our Cut 38. Take a listen to the details surrounding the brutal shooting of this young bicyclist, number one dirt and gravel biker, female division in the world, now dead from multiple, multiple gunshot wounds. Listen. The Austin Police Department's Tack and Tail Unit located Colin at his residence, and he agreed to an interview. The Austin Police Department is aware that the Ring camera video was released. The Austin Police Department did not release that video and will not release any footage to protect the investigation's integrity. Members of the Tact and Tail Unit located Armstrong and she was arrested for a misdemeanor warrant issued out of Travis County. Armstrong was transported to the main police station and
Starting point is 00:17:22 interviewed. Armstrong was questioned about her vehicle being in the area as pictured on the ring camera. However, she would not confirm or deny being in the area of the murder and quickly terminated the interview. Waltz right out of there. Now, here is the number one phone I would be tapping. Daddy. Take a listen to our Cut 40. This is our friend Matt Gutman. Mike Armstrong is shattered. He said his daughter is not capable of committing the crime she's accused of, murdering a love rival in a fit of jealous rage. But there is one thing that he
Starting point is 00:17:59 and authorities agree upon at this point. There are a lot of unanswered questions here. We love you, Katie, and we are going to figure this out this morning the father of missing murder suspect caitlyn armstrong speaking exclusively with abc news i know her i know how she thinks and i know what she believes and i know that she just would not do something like this. I know her. I know her. He says his daughter is not capable of committing the crimes she's charged with, shooting her alleged romantic rival, rising cycling star Mariah Wilson. That is what they believe. I know that she did not do this.
Starting point is 00:18:37 There are a lot of unanswered questions. I wonder what unanswered questions those would be. And, of course, a dad is going to stand by his daughter come hell or high water. My point is, I'd be tapping his phone like nobody's business after I got a warrant, of course. Joining me right now, Rania Mankaria, CEO, Crime Stoppers of Houston, author of The Online World. What you think you know and what you don't. Rania, thank you for being with us. Wei Yan, why is she turning up at yet another airport terminal in the same outfit with a yoga mat?
Starting point is 00:19:11 She might as well take out an ad on 3rd Avenue. Here I am. Come and get me. Was she trying to mislead authorities? But why would she go to that effort? Why not just take off? Yep. Nancy, I think we are all underestimating Armstrong.
Starting point is 00:19:26 Listen, she had a bit of luck when she was first taken in and released. But after that, we've got to look at this woman. And she's a little bit more of a mastermind than we're giving her credit for. Two people called law enforcement and worried about her comments, saying that she was shaking with anger, furious about this relationship Colin had, saying that she had a motive. She wanted to kill Mo Wilson. You look at even that Botox case. She had the forethought and the foresight to leave a credit card there thinking, no one's going to question this. Go back to her car and run. That takes some calculation. She used Strava to track both Colin and Mo. She was calculated. We know that reports are indicating that not only did she shoot Mo allegedly in the torso,
Starting point is 00:20:13 but use the silencer. Listen, she's then leaving town, hitting multiple airports strategically. I think we are underestimating the yoga instructor and real estate agents and not giving her enough credit. She's eluding police. She's eluding many people who are looking forward. Thankful tips are coming in, but we've got to look at her a little bit differently. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. There's a $5,000 reward right now for anyone that can generate a tip leading to her arrest. And imagine how Mo's family is feeling right now that this yoga instructor has managed to elude the Texas Rangers, the NYPD, security at LaGuardia, and now security at Newark. Straight out to James Shelnut, 27 years, Metro Major Case, former SWAT, now a lawyer at the Sh Nut law firm. Okay, Shell Nut, I find it really hard to believe
Starting point is 00:21:27 that this woman would blow her cover and show up at Newark Airport if she was not going to take a flight. Why would she divulge she's still in the New York area? And by the way, we keep saying, how did she get there? How'd she get there? Cops are already saying they know how she got there. New Newark airport is wrapped so tightly with security that they have, they have cameras every which way you turn. They have giant cement barrels for lack of a better term out front. so nobody can drive in and a bomb go off. I mean, do we have to say 9-1-1, September 11? Newark, LaGuardia, JFK on high alert. They've got some of the best surveillance in an airport in the world.
Starting point is 00:22:19 And this woman walks right into the trap and loses the cops. Why would she go in to Newark Airport, which is covered in surveillance, if she weren't going to leave on a plane? You know, I don't know what was in her mind, but I will tell you my guess is that she went to a crowded public place because she felt like possibly she was being followed or somebody was on her trail. She goes into a crowded public place in one part and leaves out the other part. You know, she thinks that the authorities are going to find her at this airport or track her to the airport, thinks she's going to get on a plane, but she gives them the slip and leaves. Why not just leave without the charade? Why not just leave and go where you want to go?
Starting point is 00:23:02 Why would you go through the risk of being caught at Newark Airport? I agree. Which is covered in surveillance cameras. Okay, well then, okay, if you agree, then why did you just say that? Well, here's what I think. I think that she made a bad decision. Oh, you're thinking this time. Okay, no offense, but I just got a feeling.
Starting point is 00:23:19 I think she made a bad decision. She made a bad decision. I mean, she thinks that she's being smart. She thinks that she's going to evade people. But what she did is she walked into one of the highest surveilled places in the country. You know, the city of New York City has approaching 20,000, 20,000 surveillance cameras. It's not helping the crime rate. No, it's not at all. The crime rate is going up, up, up. What they can do, though, is if they have a target like this lady, they can go back and they can recreate her steps. They can watch her,
Starting point is 00:23:51 find her again when she loses them on closed circuit TV, locate where she's going. They know who dropped her off. I mean, she could have taken a train. She could have taken an Uber. She could have taken a Lyft. We don't know how she got there. They'll know if that was the case, though, and they already know it. She could have easily got on a PATH train, but guess what? There's cameras all the way through the subway stations. What she has done is she's ultimately, by going back to that airport, she has started the clock ticking down to her capture. They're going to get her, and it's going to be relatively soon.
Starting point is 00:24:20 You know, to you, Dr. Sherry Schwartz, this is all over a man. And no offense to the wonderful men on our panel today. I mean, all those great dads like my dad, my husband, you know. But really, over a guy that's cheating? I mean, did you hear that, Dr. Sherry Schwartz? Guys, Dr. Sherry Schwartz is with me, forensic psychologist specializing in capital mitigation, author of Criminal Behavior and Where Law and Psychology Intersect. She's at PantherMitigation.com.
Starting point is 00:24:54 Dr. Sherry, really? This guy, Colin Strickland, admits to a one week affair while he and Caitlin Armstrong, the alleged killer, were on a break. What does that mean? A break? I mean, if my husband and I, God help us, went on a break, I wouldn't expect him to go pick somebody up and have a sex fling with them. Maybe I'm projecting because I wouldn't do that. I love him. I love my children. I don't want to risk them. So what does that mean? You take a break from your relationship for one week and you have a sex relationship in that one week with somebody? Who wants that guy? I don't want him. Well, I agree. And I think most women would agree that he's not worth it. Obviously,
Starting point is 00:25:51 he's being dishonest. But I don't believe that this is because she loves him so much. I think maybe she's convinced herself that's what it's about. But the larceny charge tells us a lot about her. This is about she perceived that Mo was taking something that was hers. And so it's more about power and really feeling entitled to eliminate any competition, to take whatever she wants at no cost to herself. And so I think that that's kind of what we're dealing with here. Somebody who is used to getting her way, who is not used to being told no, she's a successful businesswoman and she's going to eliminate anybody that's in her way. You know, I want to circle back to Stephanie Pagonis joining us from Fox Digital. We keep talking about the Botox incident and I just
Starting point is 00:26:41 kind of chalked it off as, you know, a misdemeanor theft. And instead of arresting her on that warrant for murder on violation of the warrant, they let her slip through their fingers. I hadn't really thought the way Dr. Sherry Schwartz just laid it out about what that tells me about the alleged killer, yoga teacher, Caitlin Armstrong. It does tell me something about her she did calculate she goes in she gets Botox when she leaves you tell me the rest Stephanie begones go ahead so she goes in she gets Botox she leaves she goes to pay and they say your total is six hundred and fifty dollars she then says oh well
Starting point is 00:27:22 here's a MasterCard but actually i would like to use a different card that's in my car i'll be right back and then she never returns and and like you said nancy and like everyone before me um it does say a lot about her not only not only in this sense of she's getting what she wants but also i think in the way that she seems so brazen, even just returning to, you know, such a heavily surveilled airport. She's fairly brazen in all of the allegations so far against her. You know, you're right. But I still say, you know, I want to think this through. Irv Brandt is with me, former U.S. Marshal Service International Investigations and author.
Starting point is 00:28:02 Irv, a lot of people are saying, well, she went into Newark Airport to throw off police. I find that to be a very risky maneuver in an attempt to throw off police. If she went in, changed her appearance and went out, why would she risk getting caught by showing up at Newark Airport, International Airport, if she weren't taking a flight? She didn't, Nancy. It's easy to overthink a case like this and give people too much credit. The simplest answer is usually the correct answer. Someone's helping her. Someone gave her a ride to the airport. Someone gave her an ID, whether it's a passport or a government issued ID. Someone gave her a ride to the airport. Someone gave her an ID, whether it's a passport or a government issued ID. Someone gave her a phone.
Starting point is 00:28:48 You identify the person that's helping her. You're going to know everything about her. She's not an evil genius. She will get caught. I don't know if anybody's helping her. Let me think this through. Because if that person that you're conjuring up, and yes, they may exist, drove her to the airport, cops already know who that is. They know how she got to the airport. So if that person's helping
Starting point is 00:29:14 her, wouldn't she at least have a change of clothes? Wouldn't they say, hey, cut your hair and dye it, put it in a bun, put it in a ponytail, put it under a hat, a different hat than the one you were wearing the last time you were caught on surveillance video. I mean, I will never forget. Let me tell you a story, Irv. I will never forget this guy. What did he do? He was a drug trafficker and he shot somebody dead in a deal. I mean a trafficker. I don't mean selling one hit of crack on the corner. So I had him in court. He had on a red leather outfit, bright engine, you know, like a Michael Jackson jacket. And he said it wasn't him. It was not him that did the shooting. Then some surveillance photos showed up. Guess what the perp was wearing? The bright red leather jacket. I was so happy. My point is, she's wearing the same outfit. I'm not talking about fashion. I don't give a flying fig about
Starting point is 00:30:13 fashion. What I'm saying is, who's helping her? She doesn't even have a change of clothes. That's the point, Nancy. I'm not saying the person that's helping her is an evil genius. I don't think either of them are very smart. And criminals do the dumbest things and they seem to get away with it. But my point is, she has to be lucky every single time. One of these times, her luck's going to run out. So do you think she was going there to take another flight out? Absolutely.
Starting point is 00:30:43 Me too. She absolutely left by plane. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Joe Scott Morgan, all of this wrangling and these mental gymnastics we hear law enforcement going through about, we're not sure she ever left Newark. What, is she hiding out there in the ladies' bathroom? She just went in and did a fashion show of her tired outfit and left? No, I don't think she would show up at Newark Airport unless she was going to take a
Starting point is 00:31:26 flight. All this drama about she was trying to throw cops off their trail, off her trail. They were already off her trail. They can't find her. Why do that? Yeah, to Irv's point, you know, one of the things that you hear when we hear Newark, for me at least, it popped into my mind was international. And she may have just as well just taken a domestic flight. It could have been a regional flight anywhere. She plops the cash down, and now she's off to somewhere else in the U.S. So, you know, I think the thing that they're going to do, that is a starting point. I think that even Sheldon said that earlier.
Starting point is 00:32:01 It's a starting point to go from there and kind of extend out from the flights that were outbound at that particular time of day in Newark to go and search those out. The question is, how is she not popping up on a manifest somewhere? Well, she's got to have a fake ID. She has to. Yeah. She showed up to take a flight with a fake. I mean, Joe Scott, look down at your phone. Go to Google.
Starting point is 00:32:24 G-O-O-G-L-E, and put in get fake ID. It's so easy. She has been somewhere holed up. She got a fake ID for Pete's sake. She's in New York. But, I mean, she has a fake ID, and she left. That is my best guess. But I want to go back to Dr. Sherry.
Starting point is 00:32:43 Dr. Sherry Schwartz is joining me um renowned psychologist her specialty is literally the name of her book where law and psychology intersect criminal behavior dr sherry please take a listen to our cut 32 this is our friend angela shan austin the search is on for caitlin armstrong officials are asking for the public's help in finding her according to the court paperwork an anonymous caller had called police saying armstrong said she wanted to kill wilson after finding out she was involved with her boyfriend now the affidavit says the night of the murder wilson went for a swim with colin strickland another cyclist after that he dropped her off at her friend's house.
Starting point is 00:33:27 Wilson was visiting from California and was in Austin ahead of a race in Heiko. The paperwork says Strickland and Caitlin Armstrong were in a relationship before briefly ending it for a couple of weeks last year. At that time, he was involved with Wilson. Armstrong's car was seen on surveillance video at Wilson's friend's home. A race director we spoke with earlier this week says this is how he remembers Wilson.
Starting point is 00:33:48 We all just marveled at, you know, just what a wonderful personality and great athlete and an ambassador for our sport. And then all of a sudden, how could this happen? And police say at this point, Armstrong has not been found. They are asking for the public's help in finding her. And not only did he go swimming with his old lover behind his girlfriend, the yoga instructor's back, he flat out lied about it. Am I blaming him for the murder? No. But I am just imagining how angry the yoga teacher, Caitlin Armstrong, got.
Starting point is 00:34:27 She is looking at her boyfriend, Colin Strickland, with Mariah. They're swimming at the Big Eddie. It's a pool. And then she's following them around town. And he's texting her, lies, during all this. Take a listen to our friends at CrimeOnline.com, Hour Cut 20. Colin Strickland picked Anna Wilson up for their swim date on his motorcycle. The pair spent time at the city of Austin's Deep Eddy Pool, then walked to Pool Burger to eat. Afterwards, he drove Wilson back to her friend's home, but didn't go inside. On the way home, Strickland stopped to text Armstrong at 8.36 p.m. His text message said, hey, are you out? Went to drop some flowers for Allison at her son's house up north
Starting point is 00:35:13 and my phone died. Heading home unless you have another food suggestion. Strickland lied to his girlfriend. Strickland arrived home around 8.43 p.m. and sent Armstrong another text and headed to the garage to work on his bicycles to prepare for an upcoming race. He sent another text message to Armstrong at 9.21 and not long after, Armstrong arrived home driving a 2012 Jeep Grand Cherokee with a large bicycle rack mounted on the trailer hitch, a luggage rack mounted on the roof, and chrome around the windows. According to Strickland, Armstrong was the only person to drive that vehicle. The tag number on that car, which has still not been found, the Jeep Cherokee, L-Love-D-Delta-Z-5608. Repeat, L-Love-D-Delta-Z-Zeus Zeus 5608. What will it show us? Probably not much because we know she did not drive to New York. She boarded a flight out of Austin to straight into, I believe she went through Hobby and then ended up there at LaGuardia. she disappeared May 14 and reappeared May 18, four days later,
Starting point is 00:36:29 waltzing through JFK Liberty International Airport. Now, what I was going to say to you, Dr. Sherry Schwartz, how angry. She already knew about the brief affair that Mo had with her boyfriend, Colin Strickland. And I think, Jackie, weren't they business partners too? Didn't they have the business together? He had the business, but I don't think he was involved. I feel like he's somehow involved in the business. That said, she's driving around following them on his motorcycle.
Starting point is 00:36:59 He's on the motorcycle with Moe, and she's in her black Jeep Cherokee following them. She's watching them, and he is in her black Jeep Cherokee following them. She's watching them and he is texting her all these lies. Don't you know she was getting madder and madder like a volcano about to erupt? Absolutely. This is predatory behavior, right? Following somebody around. Yeah. And now she's getting these messages with these lies. So she knows that they're false because she's seeing what's going on. And yet she doesn't confront him. At the end of this, Mariah winds up dead. So as her anger is building, it's building towards this person who is not texting her any lies whatsoever. You know, question to you, Joe Scott Morgan, we believe that she used a SIG Sauer with a silencer. What does that tell
Starting point is 00:37:50 you? Well, if she had a legally purchased suppressor, which, you know, contrary to what people think, it doesn't get rid of all of the sound. There is oh my god there is a ton of paperwork that you have to go through in order to acquire a suppressor and you can pick them up at gun stores but it's like a year-long process nancy okay so it was a year fine it was a year but what does it tell you that she used us as a silencer well she's got something in her mind where she wants to not be detected when she's firing a weapon. All right. Now you can do that for any number of purposes. All right. But, you know, automatically as an investigator and you're thinking this woman's, you know, involved in a homicide,
Starting point is 00:38:34 you're thinking, well, she wants to go undetected at that point in time. So how long has this been brewing in her mind at this point? You know, a year, if we just used a year as a starting point with her a year down range nancy uh has this been kind of bubbling up in her mind the entire time i would say it started bubbling when her boyfriend had that brief affair for one week guys the tip line again she has now been raised to a major case target that means more funding and more manpower. The tip line, that number is 1-800-336-0102. Repeat, 336-0102. You think she's just a yoga instructor? She's already killed once over a one-week affair. Who else will she kill to save her own skin? Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off.
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