Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Justice for married security-guard-dad-of-9 shot dead after telling peeved mom to use face mask

Episode Date: July 1, 2023

A Michigan security guard/father of 9 is gunned down after asking a mom to follow Covid guideline. Calvin Munerlyn asked a mom to have her 5-year-old daughter wear a mask. The mom ranted at Munerlyn, spitting on him. She returned with her family who confronted him and ultimately shot him. Now three people,  Larry Teague, wife Sharmel Teague, and Sharmel Teague’s son, Ramonyea Bishop, have been convicted of murder and sentenced  to life in prison.    Joining Nancy Grace today: Kathleen Murphy - North Carolina, Family Attorney, www.ncdomesticlaw.com Dr Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills, follow on instagram at DrBethanyMarshall Cloyd Steiger - 36 years Seattle Police Department, 22 years Homicide detective, Author "Seattle's Forgotten Serial Killer-Gary Gene Grant" www.cloydsteiger.com  Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author,"Blood Beneath My Feet" Ray Caputo, former Lead News Anchor for Orlando's Morning News, 96.5 WDBO See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A hard-working family man, a security guard at Family Dollar gunned down simply because he asked a woman to wear her face mask inside the store. In the last days, a break in the case. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. In the last days, three family members are sentenced to life behind bars in the shooting death of a family dollar security guard over what a face mask spat. Let's kick it off with our friends at Fox 2 Detroit. His family says the lovable father of six children and three

stepchildren cared for his family more than anything. His name focused on anything 24-7 was his mama, his kids, and his wife. Munderland even getting the nickname super duper from his mother because he was always helping others. All he did was rip and run and try to help everybody. He put everybody before him. You know, I'm hearing our friend Erica Erickson at Fox 2 describing Calvin Munderland, just 43 years old, the father of nine. All the guy did, according to family, friends, co-workers was work like a dog and spend time with his family. I have listened to what so many people have to say about Calvin, aka SuperDuper. They said no matter where he was, he had one or more of the nine children with him. With me is an all-star panel to break it down and put it back together again. I just don't get why a hard-working guy just trying to support his family has to be dead on the floor of the family dollar.

With me, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family lawyer. You can find her at NC Domestic Law. Knows her way around the courtroom. Psychoalyst to the stars dr bethany marshall joining me from la on insta dr bethany marshall cloyd steiger 36 years seattle pd 22 homicide author of seattle's forgotten serial killer gary gene grant at cloydsteiger.com professor forens of Forensics, Jacksonville State University, and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

Joseph Scott Morgan, Forensics Expert, joining us. But right now to the lead news anchor, Orlando WDBO, Ray Caputo. Ray, I just don't get how a guy like Calvin Munderland ends up dead. Hey, Ray, take a listen to our friends at Fox 2. Just no excuse for somebody to take this kind of an action over this kind of an issue. Shot in the head, killed apparently for telling someone to put on a mask. This was totally uncalled for. He didn't bother us at all. The family of 43-year-old Kelvin Munnerlin, known lovingly as Super Duper, says he'd been working at this family dollar store on Fifth Avenue in

Flint as a security guard for the past few months. It's so devastating that he shouldn't have lost his life by trying to save life. Flint police in the Genesee County Prosecutor's Office say Friday afternoon, 45-year-old Sharmell Teague came into the store. Munderland ordering her to put a mask on. Police say Teague began yelling and spitting on him. Munderland telling the cashier not to serve her. You know, back to you, Ray Caputo, lead news anchor, Orlando Morning News WDBO. Ray, explain to me, how did the whole thing start?

Calvin was working at a dollar, a family dollar, a dollar general store. He was a hardworking guy doing his job and a couple people come in, Charmelle Teague and her little girl. And Sharmell is wearing a face mask and the little girl's not. So he's just doing his job. Calvin comes up to Sharmell and says, you know, the kid has to have a mask. And she apparently didn't like what he said. And a verbal argument ensued. That's how things started to go downhill. I want to go out to Dr. Bethany Marshall.

Everybody in that jurisdiction, this is just a little north of downtown Flint, Michigan. Everybody there is under orders by the governor. Not all businesses have been open, but the ones that are open, you're supposed to be wearing face masks. Why do you have to have a fight about a face mask? Nancy, there is so much rage that's being projected into the issue of face masks. I think wage inequality, whatever is going on in a person's personal life. You know, we are all used to protecting ourselves, going to the doctor for every little ache and pain and symptom. But there is very little public discourse about protecting the health and lives of others. And wearing a mask is not just for yourself. It is for other people.

The only public discourse on taking some action for saving the lives of others is in drinking and driving and smoking. And that's it. So Charmelle, who walked into the store and her little girl did not have a mask on, was only thinking about herself and her little girl. She was not thinking about everybody else in that store. Guys, we're talking about the death, the shooting death of a 43-year-old, a guy doing his job devoted to his family. What did you just say about wage inequality? Because when I go in, for instance, Costco,

they don't care who I am. I got to wear a mask. So what are you saying, Dr. Bethany, about wearing a mask has something to do with wage inequality and that makes people mad. That doesn't even make sense to me. Well, rage can get projected into an object or a symbol. What does wage have to do with?

She felt that, okay, Charmelle felt that following the rules was putting her out, was insulting her, was taking away her civil liberties. What does that have to do with wage? Can you just go ahead and admit it had nothing to do with wage? It had nothing to do with wage. You're right. You're the prosecutor. I'm on the stand.

Tell me if it does. Tell me because I want to understand. I can't do it, Nancy. If it does have to do with wage inequality, which I recognize, you know, I remember working three, wait, at one point, four jobs as a district, when I was an assistant district attorney, just to make my house payment and my car payment, which smoked from under the hood every time I stopped at a red light. But I just want you to tell me in one sentence what wage inequality has to do with face masks. I believe that people who have intergenerational wage inequality are prone to being more angry and more anti-authority. And they took it out on this poor security guard. Okay, now I hear what you're saying. And what I'm selecting, cherry picking out of what you've been saying, is that there's a lot of rage right now in general because of COVID lockdown.

And face masks have turned into a symbol of that rage that I'm getting and that I had not thought of until you brought it up that it's disrespecting people to ask them to wear a face mask see all I know is that if I want to go in to Costco and get my chicken tiki masala I have to wear a face mask. Okay? So I don't even think about why, who, what, where, why, when. I know what I want. I know what I got to do to get it. Bam! Bam! Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Three family members charged with murder and the shooting death of a family dollar security guard in Flint, Michigan, now sentenced to life behind bars. That security guard, Calvin Minerlin, shot after asking a customer to wear her face mask inside the store. The spat took place when employees and customers were required by statewide order to wear masks

inside shopping areas to prevent the spread of COVID. Well, these three, Sharmell Teague, Larry Teague, and Ramona Bishop were having none of it. Now all three convicted on murder and felony firearms charges. How did the whole incident unfold? I still don't get why he's shot in the back of the head, why he's got nine children without a dad right now. Take a listen to our Dave Mack from CrimeOnline.com. 43-year-old Calvin Munderland is working as a security guard for the family dollar in Flint, Michigan, when Charmelle Teague and her five-year-old come into the store. The 45-year-old mother is wearing a mask as state guidelines require, but the child is not. When Munderland tells Teague that her child must wear a mask, she yells at him, spits on him, and drives off. About 20 minutes later, she returns to the store with her 44-year-old husband, Larry Edward Teague,

and 23-year-old son, Raymondier Trayvon Bishop. All three confront Munderland. So explain to me, back to you, Ray Caputo, Lead News, anchor Orlando WDBO. So he, super duper, asked the mom, and I believe that to be 45-year-old Sharmell Teague, put a mask on your daughter. The mom throws a fit, and I'm sure this is all on surveillance video, PTL. And Jackie's shaking her head yes. You know, you never know, which I'll circle back with you, Joe Scott, because you look around, you think you see cameras. Half of them aren't working. Half of them tape over. Blah, blah. She throws a fit and actually spits on Super Duper, Calvin Munderland.

And then stomps off in a huff. Oh, wait, I left something out. He tells her, put a mask on your daughter. She throws a big fit, won't do it. He tells the cashier, don't serve them. Now remember, he's under governor's orders to do this. He's the one that will get a ticket or an ordinance violation or maybe even close down the family dollar. And so that's what she spits on him and stomps off. do i have the facts correct so far ray caputo am i leaving anything out because frankly ray as you well know one fact

can change the outcome of a trial or the way we look at it something else may have happened that i don't know about that may change everything so what am i leaving out if anything but that's the facts nancy including what you just mentioned at the end that calvin told the cashier not to serve charmel and i believe that's what real really set her off tell me but you got the facts right why do you say that's really what set her off well you know what she was denied service there she must have thought this is just a dollar general security guard who's's this guy to tell me what to do? Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Did you just say he's just a family dollar security guard? Did you just say that? I'm assuming that's what Charmelle thought. I personally, guys like Calvin Nancy are unsung heroes during this pandemic. Let me just tell you something. My father was a blue-collar worker as a freight agent for the Southern Railway, Norfolk Southern. And he worked god awful hours, had to drive from one place to another until he finally got a secure spot. He helped put me through law school, my sister through a Ph.D. at Wharton, and my brother through his undergraduate degree. So, you know what?

I don't take it very kindly when people say, like Calvin. But I hear what you're saying, and I think you're right, Ray Caputo. I think she thought, I'm not letting some security guard at Family Dollar tell me what to do I guarantee you you're right and it's all mashed up and what Dr. Bethany was saying um I want to circle back very quickly to Cloyd Steiger 36 years Seattle PD 22 years of that in homicide Cloyd how, how many times has, I mean, a triple homicide, I'm just thinking of one in my head that I prosecuted,

crazy things, everything goes haywire over something as small as, your daughter needs to wear a face mask. And everything just goes, bat-it crazy. Yeah, I can't begin to tell you how many murders I've investigated that were absolutely

over nothing over some minor little disagreement and the guns come out and people start shooting or they stab or they strangle it's just you know i don't know what it is but we live in a society where some people just have no value of a human life and or somebody with a slide. I think it's something else. I agree with you, Cloyd, that no value on a human life. But the impulse control. You know, I'm very anti-gun for my home, our home. And my husband doesn't feel that way, but he goes along with me. Because I remember the first time I had to pick a gun up and hold it in front of the jury. I felt like I was picking up a burning pot. But I'm all for everybody else the right to

bear arms. In a world where guns are so prolific and no impulse control, you put those things together and you get Calvin and Marilyn dead on the floor. And Cloyde's Tiger is right. Human life, no value. To Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor of Forensics, Jacksonville State. Joe Scott, I pray to God that there's a video of this.

Just because you've got a camera trained on the cashier, that doesn't mean a hill of beans in reality why no it doesn't because it's not going to capture everything hopefully they've got multiple cctv views that is little cameras that are positioned and if you go into stores sometimes they're not as glaring as they used to be where you have this you know kind of a camera module sitting up there they'll look like a big fisheye sticking out of the ceiling and hopefully there'll be multiple views all the way around these cameras kind of rotate around it used to be kind of cost prohibitive to have these things because it had to have tape you had

to have these big cameras not anymore you can actually digitize or make these in a digital format these cameras roll perpetually you load it onto the hard drive and it's there hopefully it was working how many of these cases do we cover Nancy where we have no CCTV coverage in this particular case I can tell you it's going to be striking because this is going to tell a tale of a public execution is what it's going to come down to you know I thought of a tale of a public execution is what it's going to come down to. You know, I hadn't thought of it like that, a public execution. Straight out to Kathleen Murphy. Kathleen, take a listen to our friends at NBC.

This is Alicia Bergio. After an argument broke out between Munderland and the female suspect because her daughter was not wearing a mask, things took a turn. Surveillance video from Family Dollar shows the woman was forced to leave the store, then later came back with her son, Bishop, and husband Teague. One of the black males started yelling at Munderland about disrespecting his wife. The other black male then walks up to Munderland and shoots Munderland. Both men took off after the incident. He was just an all-around good guy and when when I found out what had happened to him it really broke my heart because I know

what kind of person he was. Okay and this is not about race because the victim is an African-American male. He has nine children, his wife left behind, are all African Americans. The shooter is an African American. I think that was part of a BOLO, be on the lookout. And the reporters were trying to give information about

what the perps look like. Because to you, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer, they took off. They shoot Calvin Munderland in the back of the head, the son. The son and the dad come in. They start jawing at Calvin Munderland

super duper about disrespecting the wife and Sharmell Teague, shoot him in the back of the head execution style, and then they go to their car and drive off over a face mask. Tell me, Kathleen Murphy, how many times have you looked at a case you're handling and thought over what? It is a day-to-day thing. Nancy, I'm happy to say that when I have clients that come in that are involved with domestic violence, I work really hard to talk with them about tools that we can put into place to control their behaviors. Whether it's somebody that has rage issues, whether it's somebody that has control issues, people have to learn to control themselves.

And there is a place right now where we need to put tools into place for people to control their rage. It all started when Munderling got into an argument with Charmelle Teague after telling her daughter she needed to wear a mask inside. This is all borne out by security video.

Though the daughter left the store, Charmelle Teague began yelling and cursing at the security guard, a father and husband himself. He then told her to leave the store and instructed the cashier not to serve her. Sharmell Teague left the store all right, but 20 minutes later, Bishop and Larry Teague arrived. Teague yelling at Munderland more, saying the guard disrespected his wife. Bishop then shoots Munderland more, saying the guard disrespected his wife. Bishop then shoots Munderland in the

head, and the security guard dies at the hospital. A guy just doing his job at Family Dollar, working really long, hard hours, supporting nine children and a wife, gets gunned down after he asked a woman to get her daughter a face mask. Then she spits on him and leaves. What a disrespect. And then the husband comes back with the son. They start attacking him verbally about disrespecting the mom, the wife, Chernelle Teague, and end up shooting him dead. Take a listen to our friend CBS News correspondent Laura Podesta.

A family dollar store in Flint, Michigan, became a murder scene on Friday. Police believe a security guard, 43-year-old Calvin Munnerlin, was fatally shot in the head after he told shopper Sharmell Teague that her daughter had to wear a mask before entering the store. The daughter did not have a mask. Sharmell did have a mask. Charmelle did have a mask, but the altercation ensued. And we believe she communicated with Larry Teague and Ramon Bishop, and they returned to the store and the shooting occurred.

You know, there you go right there. A lot of times when there is a heated argument and a shooting or a You know, there you go right there. A lot of times when there is a heated argument and a shooting or a death occurs, it can be argued and sometimes successfully that that was a voluntary manslaughter that you shot in the heat of passion. But the fact that they left and came back, that's not going to work because they had what we call under the law to Kathleen Murphy in North Carolina, cooling off period. Give it to me in a nutshell, Kathleen. If there's even one moment in time where they had the ability to cool off, then it's not going to be any other charge but murder in the first degree.

No other charge but murder in the first degree. No other charge but murder in the first degree. Well, to make matters worse, they go on the run. Take a listen to Fox 5 DC, Tara and Asher. We believe Finley and Mitchell rented a vehicle here and drove Teague to Texas. In Texas, we allege they bought Teague clothing at a Houston area Walmart and rented him a room. And on Friday, Michigan State Police nabbed his son.

Layton praising the public after a tip led Michigan State Police to Bishop was hiding, and he was taken into custody without incident. Back to Ray Caputo, Lead News Anchor, Orlando Morning News, WDBO. Ray, so how many people are helping the perps cover up their crimes. Nancy, six people are now charged with this murder. This situation that's spun out of control, six people are now going to face charges. We got Charmel, we got Larry. Let's break it down. Hold on.

Charmel Teague is the mom who goes in with a face mask, with a daughter without a face mask. 45-year-old, old enough to know better. Chararmell Teague. That's number one. Who else do we have? Well, we got Larry Teague, the husband,

who was the one that came back and confronted Calvin. Yep, 44-year-old husband, Larry Teague. Then we've got... Romagnier Bishop, and he's the shooter, the stepson of Larry and Sharmell's real son, biological son. 23-year-old Romagna Bishop.

Those are the main perps, but then we've got another. Well, then we have another family member, Nancy. We have Bria Bishop. She is an adult daughter of a brother of Romagna. Now, she was charged with eating and abetting basically helping rouanier get a get away so bria bishop age 25 years old according to my notes has three counts against her tampering with evidence that's 10 years possibility lying to cops that's four years possibility and what have i scribbled out here? She's got one more. I bet it's five years, so I bet it's accessory after the fact.

So what's the story? What did they do to help the shooters get away? Well, the two people we know that took Larry Teague down to Texas, Laura Mitchell and Terrence Finley, we don't know the relationship, but they are obviously close enough to be able to help Larry. They helped him get a hotel room. They obviously drove him. They bought him clothes.

I mean, they went through pretty great lengths. Now, I'm not quite sure exactly what Bri or Bri did, but she clearly helped throw the cops off. There was an eight-day period between Larry and Romagna doing this and then being taken into custody. So they were on the run for a hot minute. You're not kidding. They were on the lam, eluding police for over a week. To Joseph Scott Morgan, I want to get back to the scene of the shooting. What can you tell me about how that scene should be processed? How important it is that the medical examiner, for instance,

gets the right trajectory path of the bullet in Calvin's head, that they look for gunshot residue or stippling around the wound. Why is those details and others that you're going to tell me about so important in this case? Oh, it is important, Nancy, and you've already made a very salient point in that they left and came back so they came back armed uh my suspicion you're right on with that that that's so right did they came back they couldn't just leave in a huff have any of you ever been at a store or somewhere and something happens you're like i'm leaving because i sure have yeah leaving a hope idea i have to come back arm to the teeth and that makes me so mad okay joe scott for once bethany's interrupting you not me i want credit for that jump in beth okay so i was a marriage

and family therapist before becoming a psychoanalyst and i had the rare experience throughout the years of treating extended family systems where it seemed like everybody acted like animals and when I say animals I mean animals. It's hard for me to get that through my head with you out there on Rodeo Drive and the family acting like animals. Go ahead. It's almost like they were all very primitive, like fighting. I remember two moms with, they're in their 40s, with their collective five or six daughters all in my office fighting over something stupid. One of the daughters was high. Both of the mothers were trying to grab attention at the expense of their daughters. Both mothers were still living with men who had molested children in the family. And it's almost like they were all primitive, like nobody had

socialized them, nobody had educated them. They were all out for themselves. And I just threw up my hands in despair. And I thought, it's like these people are like animals. And I was trying to, and I don't mean that to be devaluing. I mean that the aspect of being civilized, of being social, of learning impulse control, like you talked about earlier, everything we learn in childhood. You know, Nancy, you're a mother. Think of the many hours you spend processing Lucy and John David's experiences. Processing and processing and processing. Imagine if you raised them and you never processed one single thing. They could just slop food out of the refrigerator. They could hit each other. They could, you know, spit on kids at school. And then that was celebrated. Like that's a great way to behave in the world.

Some families do operate like this. It's surprising, but they really do. I'm just thinking of all the things, and I'm sure, you know, this is going to give the twins years and years of psychoanalysis, but I'm forever saying, Lucy, stand up straight. Do not slouch. John David, we do not need to see the food in your mouth while you're chewing. Just, I know that one day they're going to go, oh, my mother, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But you know what? It's worth it if they stand up straight and don't chew with their mouth open. I'll take the abuse. But I'm listening to what you're saying.

And now the daughter of this mom has seen the mom spit on a security guard. And there's no telling how all these children have been raised. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, three family members convicted and sentenced to life behind bars for gunning down a real family man, a security guard at the Family Dollar store. Calvin Munderland worked so hard to provide for his family as a security guard at Family Dollar in Flint. His job was to keep customers safe. Munderland, a father of nine, gunned down after turning a customer away for trying to enter the store without a mask. A father of nine. We now know security footage reveals Teague, Sharmell Teague, began to yell and spit at Merlin, who asked her to leave the store. The brutal murder of a guy just trying to

do his job and raise his children. And there is no value that you can place on a father's presence, a good dad in your life. A good dad means the world. And I'm kind of choking up because I'm thinking about all the sacrifices my mom and dad made for us. And the example they gave us. And you know, some mornings when I don't want to get up at 5 o'clock and start working, I think about my dad and my mom doing it all those years, never complained. Take a listen, Joe Scott Morgan. I want you to hear ABC 12 news reporter, Ann Pierrette.

You know, I've said this before, senseless and tragic, and there's just no explanation for it. May 1st, 44-year-old Larry Teague and his stepson, 23-year-old Romanya Bishop, are accused of gunning down this Family Dollar security guard, Calvin Duper Munnerlin. They took off to avoid getting caught, but the Genesee County prosecutor says they actually walked from the scene. He didn't run at all, which is one of the reasons we think he knew that Bishop was going to shoot Monterland because after the shooting, the normal reaction, if you didn't know that was going to happen, would be to run. From there, David Layton says they went to Bishop's sister's Flint home. Bria Bishop is facing three felonies accused of helping the two escape. How long the two were there, where they went next, and when they split up isn't clear. You know, just the senselessness of this.

But back to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University, and author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. Joe Scott, the fact that they just walked away. Just, I can't wait for a jury to see that, assuming it was caught on video. So what do we need to process this scene, process Mr. Muller's body in order to prove, help me prove the murder case here. Well, it's a dynamic environment. You've got people that are screaming at one another, carrying on. I think that I like to refer to Charmelle as Queen Charmelle because she went home and told these guys, come with me, and then she cut them loose on this guy after she spit on him like he was some kind of less than human person.

And when that happened, you have the father potentially, and I'm just spitballing here, but you've got the father distracting in an argument. He's up in the security guard's face. And then the son, the gutless person that he is, rolls around to the rear of him, takes out a firearm, and shoots this man in the back of the head, Nancy. All right. Now, what we need to know, did they force him on the ground and then shoot him from an upward angle so that it's going down? You know, imagine a classic from an old movie where people are being executed, the individual being shot downward like this, or did he just simply walk behind him and discharge the weapon?

Now, the other piece to this is at what range did he do this? Was he across the store? Because if he's across the store, there's not going to be any suit deposit on the back of this man's head. My suspicion is this occurred in close quarters so within probably 18 inches of this poor man's head the back of his head where he doesn't have eyes in the back of his head as he's being attacked by this gutless coward he's being shot directly into the back of the head you're going to have a storm of these little particles that are going to be around this wound. And depending upon how far apart the particles are,

that'll give us an indication as to the range of fire. The further away you are, the wider the spread. We're not just talking about the bullet hole. We're actually talking about soot deposition on the back of the head. And that's going to be the tail of the tape. You combine that with the CCTV images that we hope are there, and it's going to be dramatic. I think that this will be a slim dunk in court. Yeah, I thought that about O.J. Simpson too.

But when you're talking, when you're referring to soot deposition, I think, or I've told juries in the past to think of, I don't use hairspray as an example because there's so many different kinds of hairspray. There's aerosol, there's pump. I use Lysol because men and women, I hope, on my jury can have heard of Lysol or sprayed it before. And soot deposition, as Joseph Scott Morgan was correctly explaining, the further away you are from the Lysol you spray it if you're that close you get a dead-on burst of Lysol the further

away you get you get a spray same way with a bullet the closer you are to your target the more concentrated the gun gunshot residue will be the closer you are to your target the more concentrated the gunshot residue will be the further you are away from it the more diffused it will be okay well i gotta tell you this much they go back in they say that charmelle teague 45 year oldold, as Joe Scott calls her Queen Charmel, has been disrespected. Well, they didn't make it hard. It took a minute to track them down, but take a listen to our friend Ann Pierrette at ABC 12. The prosecutor says Flint police received a tip from an old friend of Bishop's and that led them here. He was taken into custody without any incident whatsoever or without anybody getting

hurt. The alleged murder weapon, a.40 caliber handgun, hasn't been found yet. Layton says Bishop has about a dozen weapons registered to him but didn't have any on him. His stepdad Teague was arrested the day before, Thursday, May 7th, shortly after Laura Mitchell and Terrence Finley were caught. The pair's relationship to each other and to Teague isn't known, but Layton says they rented a car to get Teague to Houston, bought him clothes, and rented him a room, but he checked in under his own name, making it that much easier for the U.S. Marshals to find him. But how were they ledxas in the first place flint pd some of their really good detectives were able to with their ear to the ground come up with information indicating that finley and mitchell had taken uh a t to to houston nobody said he was a rocket

scientist checks in under his own name jackie you're trying to say I'm not the stepdad I'm the dad they what the dad that stepped up Wow I'm looking at a picture of Calvin Munderland he's got nine children and he's like this proud he's got a t-shirt that says I'm not the stepdad I'm the dad that stepped up I'm so mad I could chew a nail in half, and I know it's not going to make anything any better. We cannot bring Calvin Munderland back, but we can make sure that this group, this family group that enabled the shooting, that agitated the shooting, that covered up the shooting, that aided and abetted the escape of fleeing felons, are brought to justice. These nine children and this wife need to know somebody cared.

I completely agree with you, Nancy, but I don't believe, and maybe correct me if I'm wrong, that Michigan has the death penalty. They don't. I don't know that for sure. You can shoot as many people as you want there and still get the same sentence. To the three people,

to the three perps that murdered this father of nine, enjoy hell. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friends. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.