Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - KAYLEE GONCALVES' FAMILY FIGHTS BACK AS KOHBERGER ROTS IN PRISON

Episode Date: May 29, 2026

The Kaylee Goncalves Foundation does business under the name "Murder Has a Name."  It is a non-profit which provides financial support to law enforcement agencies nationwide for forensic DNA testing and investigative genetic genealogy in violent crime investigations. The murder victim's family say by removing financial barriers, the foundation can help ensure cases  access to  modern forensic science, capable of identifying perpetrators and delivering answers to families. Law enforcement agencies can apply for testing funds and the public can view their work on the "Murder Has a Name" Foundation website. You can follow their ongoing campaigns and community initiatives via the official Goncalves Family Tips Facebook Page.  The public can also submit their DNA to GEDmatch  for free. The family points out the more people who submit their DNA,  the more cases will be solved.   Joining Nancy Grace today:  Kristi Goncalves  - mother of victim Kaylee Goncalves  Website:  www.MurderHasAName.com Steve Goncalves  - father of victim Kaylee Goncalves  Website:  www.MurderHasAName.com Chris Hansen -journalist and Host of the podcast "Have A Seat With Chris Hansen",   an ambasador to the Goncalves' new foundation,  Facebook:HaveASeatWithChrisHansen Andy Kahan - Director of Victim Services and Advocacy at Crime Stoppers of Houston, ambasador to the Goncalves' new foundation: "Murder Has a Name," crime-stoppers.org,  Tracie Brocco - Executive Director of 'Murder Has A Name',   website:  Murderhasaname.com  Sydney Sumner  - Investigative Reporter, ‘Crime Stories’  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. From great tragedy and great pain. Something is forged, something is created. Tonight, joining us the Gonzalves family, Chris Hansen, and others. Tonight they will describe for you what they are doing, born out of the tragedy. of the brutal, quadruple murders in Idaho for beautiful students murdered. How could something good possibly come from that?

Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. So I'm going through some of Kaylee's things and just sweatshirt that she was wearing that night. And in the pocket is her grub truck number 78. Can anything good come of a mother's pain? The pain that Christy Consolvis endured and is enduring after the murder of her little girl. What she has to hold on to is her sweatshirt, but amazingly, miraculously. something wonderful has been born joining us tonight, special guests, the Gonsolves family, Chris Hansen, Andy Kahn, Tracy Baco, and Sidney Silvani, straight out to Christi Gonsalvis.

I've often wondered how you put one foot in front of the other losing your beautiful girl and then finding out you lost her in horrible, violent tragedy to a monster for no reason out of the blue

it was time for Thanksgiving everybody's looking forward to Christmas tell me about murder has a name well murder has a name actually started with Tracy Braco

So in the beginning of this tragedy, she started reaching out to us and it just became more and more frequently. And she has this very distinct writing. And I would notice her cards and I would notice things that she was sending. And everything was just very, very heartfelt. And I decided to just start reaching out to her, texting her and whatnot. and she was by my side through, you know, the entire case pretty much to the sentencing. And as soon as the sentencing happened and it was over with, she was like, we're starting a foundation. And I was like, there's no way I could do it.

And she's like, yes, we can. And every no that I had, Tracy had a yes. Every question I had, Tracy had an answer. And she was just very persistent and very insistent on us remembering case. She grew to love Kaylee throughout this tragedy. She grew to love our family and her family is amazing as well and I've done nothing but has pushed this along and made everything so much easier. And now we have a dream team that I feel and our family feels that we owe it very much to Tracy Rocco. Steve Gonzalez, joining us, of course.

This is Kaylee, Gonzalez's father. And you have voiced what so many people, millions of people feel and what they want to say throughout this entire ordeal, this odyssey that you and your family have been dragged through, thanks to Brian Coburger, and a weak prosecutor. Stephen Solvis, how did you take what happened to Kelly? And somehow morph that into murder has a name. And what is murder has a name? You know, today you hear people say unenliving and they say all these politically correct things. And the reality is my daughter was murdered and she was murdered while she was in her own bed. And we're not going to shy away from that.

We're going to say that we're just trying to punch and get right. to the point murder has a name it's Kaylee gonzobos Maddie Mae you know Ethan Zano we want we've always wanted to be like a voice of parents if you went through this and like how to respond and be more active than reactive because there's so many more tools now for parents to play a role in this and you know change laws and do you more than just be a victim and that's really what what this organization is, is we're extending that invite and helping people go from, like, victims to actual playing a role as prosecutors. They can go in there, and now they can actively pursue whoever did this to them. And that would be, that's an amazing reward to give a family.

You know, Steve and Christy, you're actually making my chest hurt right now because I remember after my fiancé was murdered, I dropped out of school. I didn't know what to do. I didn't want to do anything. I wanted to die. That's what I wanted to do. But that didn't happen.

And the only thing I could come up with to do is to finish school and go to law school to help other crime victims. And it never goes away. The desire to do something anything to help to make a difference. It never goes away.

This idea, murder has a name. What do you want to achieve? What can it do? What's the potential of your foundation? What are we looking at? So is what our foundation wants to do is we have made some amazing partnerships with several different labs. And we are partnering with these labs that do genetic genealogy, forensics, they're cutting edge, they're top of the line.

They're the best of the best. And we have teamed up with them as partners, and we are creating an application process for law enforcement to fill out their criteria. And as long as it meets these different labs criteria, they'll send it to us and they choose the lab, we'll say we're working with these five labs, these six labs, whatever it may be, and we get their DNA over to those labs and we pay for it to get processed. And because we know so many of these agencies are underfunded and just don't have the cost, the means to be able to get these testing done.

and sometimes it could be very simple. And in 48 hours, they can have an answer to the perpetrator who murdered their child or who abducted their child or their mom or their dad. And it's just as simple as being not so simple because it can be quite expensive to be paid for. Oh, Christy, it's really expensive. And not only that, you mentioned the time delay. I remember a case that we were working on. It was a teacher, a very young teacher.

Her name was Eliza Fletcher, I think out of Memphis with two little children, little, little. Like I think one was in pre-K and one was even younger. And she goes out 4 a.m. for a jog, because you know being a mom, you try to work it all in. So it doesn't rob time away from you and your children. So she's out at 4 a.m., of course people said it's her fault because she was out in the dark running. That said, the guy that raped and murdered her, Guess what was sitting on the shelf at the crime lab? His DNA in a previous violent rape.

Turned out he had a history. He had attacked people before in addition to that rape. But had that been analyzed and he prosecuted on that, he would not have been roaming free to murder this young mom, this little schoolteacher, Eliza Fletcher. So it's not just the money. It's the timing, the timing. There's a huge backlog.

And we were talking earlier about the Lover's Lane case that was just cracked after 36 years. One of the worst murders that goes down in Houston very quickly to Andy Kahn joining us, Director of Victim Services at Crime Stoppers Houston. He is working with the Consolvis family with murder. has a name, I ask you to please go to it. People death scroll all day long. Well, look at murder has a name while you're scrolling and learn what you can do to make a difference in this world. Andy Kahn, I'm telling you, the lover's lane murder.

Horrible. And it sat there for 36 years and it was just cracked double murder by DNA. This is a case that could have used. Murder has a name money. Absolutely. And that's what I'm telling families. This foundation is going to be the key to solving so many unsolved cases like the Lovers Lane murders.

And I know, Nancy, you'll probably agree with me. I love working with people like Steve and Christy, victims that want to make a difference. I mean, they have obviously been through an emotional, horrible grief. but they want to make things better for others to come along. And I love working with families like that that want to take a negative and turn it into positive action for social change. Murder has a name.

All too often, crime victims are reduced to an occupation. We see it all the time in the media. Waiter murdered, mechanic murder, convenience store clerk. They have a name and they deserve to get justice. And what we're hoping to do is get some of these cases just like the Lover's Lane murder that's sat for decades. Get them solved. And you know another thing, Andy, talking about the lover's lane murder, the victims in that case, Andy and Cheryl, 21 and 22 years old, the perp, who has just been apprehended all the way out in Lincoln, Nebraska laying low, now Houston,

Oh, do I have to see him? Now, Houston is trying to connect him with many, many other unsolved rapes and murders. His MO was? He was convicted twice on impersonating a police officer. And I think that's what he did that night. He went up to Cheryl and Andy on Lover's Lane. They'd been dating a while. They were parked at a cul-de-sac.

He comes up, and I think he flashed a fake badge and got them to let their window down. they both ended up brutally stabbed dead, their throat slash, tied to trees. She was raped. It was just horrible. And it sat there. It sat there for 36 years with DNA. There was DNA. And speaking of solving cold cases, joining us right now, Chris Hanson, you know him well or else you've been living under Iraq in a cave on the other side of the world.

host of a hit podcast, have a seat with Chris Hansen, ambassador to the Gonzalves New Foundation. Murder has a name, and he has apprehended more predators than I can count. Chris Hansen, thank you for being with us. Tell me about why you got on board with the Gonzalves family. Like you, I've been a crime reporter for four decades, and we've exposed hundreds of predators and tried to,

to educate people on criminals and how to avoid being victims. But I'm also a parent, I'm a father, and I cannot imagine the searing pain that Steve and Christy have gone through over this. And it has haunted me this case. And as you know in this case, part of what led to the arrest of Ryan Coburger was a fingerprint on a snap of a sheath of a knife, DNA.

And so when Tracy reached out to me to be involved, and she was indefatigable about doing so, I can think of no other organization I would rather lend my name to than one that creates a fund, that one that enhances our ability to get some of these cases solved by using DNA. And so I'm all in,

and I'm gonna do whatever I can to help and involve this family and this organization, murder has a name, to get some of these cases solved. crime stories with Nancy Grace. When I was talking about the Eliza Fletcher case, how the young mom, the school teacher was out jogging and the whole time sitting on the shelf at the crime line.

It's not the crime land's fault. They are going as fast as they can. Every night I read and I live chat during programs and people say, well, why aren't you doing the Nancy Guthrie case right now. Well, why aren't you doing this? I'm going as fast as I can. It's fast as I can. And I get it. And I'm glad people want that coverage. I'm glad they want to know. But like the people at the crime lab, the scientists, you go as fast as you can't. You can't get to it all. You cannot humanly get to it all. Let me tell Hanson and the Gonzales and Tracy who's joining us. I remember I had been on trial for, oh gosh, the trial lasted, I know,

three weeks. And I would take all my evidence out of the courtroom with me at night. I didn't want to leave it anywhere. And I would come straight back to the courtroom in the morning. So I hadn't been in my office for three weeks. I've been in the courtroom, literally morning tonight. I got back to my office. There were so many new files, new cases for me to investigate and prosecute. The records room had been delivering them for three weeks, and the stack got bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger, until it fell over like an accordion on the table and they were all going over the other side of my desk. Translation, murder has a name may make funding possible for cases like Eliza Fletcher's and others to be processed sooner to actually save lives. Has that

dawned on you, Steve, that you may actually save a life like Eliza Fletcher's by funding DNA, by funding scientists to get the job done before the perp can commit another crime? 100%. We're going from victims to actually prosecutors. We're going to take an active role. We're going to help these families. We learned from author of them that there was over 300 cases in queue just waiting for funding. And me and Christy have always said, what would be worse?

How could it be any worse than what we're going through? And we identified when we didn't know who the victim, who did this, when we didn't know who that person was and knowing that there's families out there that have, they've been victims like we have. For years and years and years, not knowing, you know. We were like, we got to fix this. And our kids have died, but they didn't die for nothing. And we're going to prove that because now we're going to pull people off the streets.

We're going to, they pick the, wrong families and we're going to prove that by ripping these criminals off the streets and putting them in cells. I mean, solving one could wind up solving several and preventing others, you know. Preventing others. You know, another scary thing about this is the perp. And for instance, the lover's lane case, he was living life. Nobody suspected him.

I want to show you a video that it, may not intrigue you the way it has me, but it's of Coburger. Watch him, because watching this, nobody would suspect he is a killer. Watch this. Hello. Hi. How's going? Pretty good.

I definitely need to get my license. Okay. We should be able to help with that. Do I do you approve of insurance? No, I mean, you have to have it in Washington State, but you don't have to prove it with us. I do need to know the exact miles that are on my car right now. Let me check that. Okay, perfect.

About $115. Oh, okay, so you just have to write that exact mileage right here with no tens. Check the box that says actual, but stay's date, and then you'll sign print and your screen address on the bottom line there. I can hardly stand to even look at the box. even look at him. But I'm showing it for a demonstrative purpose, and that is, you would never know or suspect that he has murdered four innocent people. Just before he did that.

And he carries on this banter with this woman flirting with her, many people say, until she brings up the murders, then he goes silent. My point is to Tracy Braco joining us, Executive Director of Murder has a name with over a decade of law enforcement experience under her belt. Many people, if they had looked at him in court and been asked to hand down a guilty verdict, they go, I don't see it. I just don't think he has a motive. I don't think he did it unless, but for the DNA. The DNA sealed it. case closed. That's why this is so important. Tracy, thank you for being with us tonight and explain to me how you have allied with the Gonsolvis's with Chris Hanson with Andy Kahn and what you hope to achieve with murder has a name.

Thank you for having me, Nancy. I reached out to Christy and Steve like the rest of us wanted to when all this happened. My heart absolutely broke for them. I have a daughter and a son. My daughter was around the same age as Kaylee and in college around the same time. And I could not fathom as a parent what they were going through. And I felt like I needed to reach out. I wanted them to know that somebody somewhere was thinking about them. And I needed to remind them that of every time I could because I know that that would change my life if I know that a stranger was thinking about me as much as I was then. I absolutely fell in love with this family because of Steve's persistent and driven conversation to find out what happened to his daughter. Christy and Steve were not giving up. Olivia's speech was hard hitting and to the point. She hit him right on, looked right in his eyes and directed everything at him, which was phenomenal. The family just reaped of strength. And I really felt like I needed to reach out to them.

And when all of a sudden done and I approached Christy about starting a foundation, I don't know anything about it. She didn't know anything about it, but we were 100% willing to learn and move together through this. And I started Googling people that were big presence in justice. And of course, Chris Hansen came up and Anticon came up. And I thought, you know, what are the chances of me getting to these people? And I thought, you know what? All you can do is try. and Chris was so kind and reached out right back.

Andy, same thing. And it was without hesitation that they both said, I'm in, what can I do to help? And it just warmed my heart and basically pushed us to move forward. So many cases have languished while the perp goes on to kill other people, to rape other people. And the seminal case is that of Joseph DeAngelo, the Golden State Killer. Who was, I might add, a former police officer? My husband had just left for work.

I heard the garage door close. My son had gotten in bed with me, my three-year-old son. So we were snuggling. And the next thing I knew, there was someone running down the hall with a flashlight, and I yelled to my husband, what did you forget? And it wasn't my husband. It was a ski mask holding a flashlight and a large butcher knife.

He gagged both my son and myself. He blindfolded us, and he tied us our ankles and our wrists with shoe laces. And then the most frightening part about the whole ordeal was when he moved my son. And then I knew that I had no idea why he was moving him. of course, where was he taking him? I had no idea. And then when he untied my ankles, then I knew what he was there for. I don't even remember the rape because all I was concerned with is where did he put my son.

Golden State Killer Joseph DiAngelo over a decade, including 13 murders, over 50 rapes, 120 burglaries. We know of a total of nearly 90 victims across California, former police officer, Joseph DiAngelo, the Golden State Killer, to Sidney Slavani Crime Stories' investigative reporter. There he is old. But he murdered so many people. and if he had been stopped by DNA, they would be alive today, Sydney? Absolutely. And DNA was the name of this game in this case.

Investigators knew that from the very beginning. But yes, DNA ultimately solved that case and could have solved it earlier. Genetic genealogy caught the Golden State killer. Genetic genealogy was in place. before his last victims. Lives could have been saved, but Joseph D'Angelo, the Golden State Killer, was allowed to continue a reign of terror

straight out to Steve and Christi Gonsolvis. Cases like this must be the type of case you want to target. Absolutely. And another partner that we're partnering with is a company called GEDmatch. And so part of our mission is to try to get as many people to build these trees and put their DNA into these databases as possible because with getting their genetic genealogy,

they can also be helping solve crimes. So the more trees that get built, you know, the better it is. And, you know, with GEDmatch, it's free. you could have done any of these at home DNA kits on their website. You could go to it for free and upload your DNA results to their website from these other companies. And it's free and they have one of the largest. And it's a forensic tool. And not only that, but they also have several tools that are for the person that is wanting to explore their family history.

So they have those free as well. So it's a double, you know, it's a double hitter there. They could go in there and they could download their history from these other test kits. And they could also help solve crimes, you know, by discovering their genealogy. So Jedmatch is a great company. And we really want to, we really want to force that because it was one, one tree, one family that, from what I understand it, standing, got him the Golden State Killer caught. You know, they were just waiting.

They're just sitting there. They have it all out there. They're like, we need one more person to help fill in this gap. And they got that gap filled, and bam, there the person was. And, you know, so you can help solve crimes by doing that. Chris Hanson joining us, Starr, have a seat with Chris Hansen, who has stung so many people caught so many predators. how will this work, practically speaking?

Well, I think practically speaking, people will have a place to go to get help. You know, we see this all the time, Nancy. There are not resources easily accessible for people whose children have been victimized by predators online, how to teach your children, how to be safe online. I'm on a sting right now for my streaming crime network, True Blue, the Take Down Predator series. And it's just not about catching people. It's how to make people safer. And by going out and catching these guys, as you so appropriately mentioned, we prevent

others from taking place. I mean, think about Brian Coburger for a minute, do you think, God forbid, had he not been caught in this case? What's he scheming right now? What's going to get him off? Nothing but another killing. This guy would have gone on and on and on until he was caught. and thank God he was caught here, and it's just too bad this horrible case wasn't prevented.

But, you know, to harness the energy of the Gonzalez family and everybody else involved here, I think it's just such a powerful tool in crime fighting. I can think of nothing better to be involved with. To Andy Kahn joining us, Director of Victim Services at Crime Stoppers Houston, also working with Murder Has a Name. What is your vision of how this will be? work practically speaking. I mean, how do you identify the cases that need funding to get DNA results? You know, once we get this out to the public, I think we're going to get a lot of hits.

People are going to be reaching out to us. And I do want to say one thing to the killers that are out there that are thinking, you know, I got away with it. Guess what? We're coming after you. We're going to find you. We're going to arrest you. And we're going to do everything in our power to make sure that you never breathe free air again. So many families are lost in the system, particularly when cases go cold and they don't know where they can turn next. We're going to do everything we can

to make sure families all across the country whose cases have gone cold, law enforcement is at an end, they don't have anything to go on, we're going to let them know that we're there and we're going to help them and we're going to get these cases solved. Look at what happened just a few weeks ago.

They just found another case to pin on Ted Bundy. They're looking on more cases. So the murders that took place in the 70s, in the 80s, in the 90s, that didn't have at the time the advancements that we have now, we are going to solve. And you just saw it last few weeks with the Lover's Lane murder, and there's more to come. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Speaking of cases that could be solved and a victim's life saved, I can't help but think about a beautiful mother of five. I'm talking about Rachel Moran. I worked extensively on the case and spoke to her mother. It felt like a shadow. It also felt like profound, like sadness, emptiness. Like I just knew that there was something that, I think it's just mother's intuition. I just knew there was something that wasn't right, that there was something terribly wrong, but I didn't know what it was. She found out what it was. Rachel, her daughter, was brutally raped and murdered on the Ma and Pa hiking trail by a guy that was wanted and all we had was DNA, right?

Out of L.A. Isn't that right, Sidney Solvani joining us from crime stories? The perp that murdered Rachel Morin had gone into a home. Here you see the video of him leaving the home, but don't see his face. He goes into a home in L.A. assaults a minor and walks out, like in broad daylight practically. He's caught on video, but just his back. And many people thought this was some consensual incident because he didn't seem worried at all. He didn't even run. Then we find out the same perp murders.

Rachel Moran. Same perp, right, Sydney? Yes, same guy. These two crimes committed across the country from each other were connected from DNA, from familial DNA. Investigators traveled all the way to South America to catch this perp. Five hours after meeting with the family, and just before midnight our time,

police in Tulsa, Oklahoma, assisted by our federal partners, located and arrested Rachel's murderer, Victor Antonio Martinez Hernandez. So far, we have learned that the suspect now pictured on the screens is a 23-year-old citizen of El Salvador who illegally crossed the border into the United States in February of 2023. We all suspected that perhaps Rachel was not his first victim, And it's my understanding that this suspect, this monster, fled to the United States illegally after committing the brutal murder of a young woman in El Salvador a month early in January of

2023. Once in our country, and likely emboldened by his anonymity, he brutally attacked a nine-year-old girl and her mother during a home invasion in March of 2003 in Los Angeles. Murder has a name now founded by the Gonsolvis family partnering with others will not have boundaries, geographical boundaries. DNA can track you whether your DNA is in a data bank through Interpol, IFamilia, Europol information system, prune framework with the EU, international nucleotide sequence database collaboration, all around the world. DNA doesn't know geographical boundaries. So these are just a few of the cases, Tracy Braco, who is now executive director, murder has a name.

These are just some of the cases that were solved by DNA. That's how they were solved. And that's why it's so significant that the Consolvis family, whose case was cracked with DNA, is leading the charge. What Tracy do you want us to do to help you? Nancy, I think you've been a great big voice in this. You have helped. I've heard so many things that you've done to help them. Chris has helped.

Andy's helped. We just need the public to help now. We need people to donate. We need people to know where their money is going. Just because a case has not been solved doesn't mean it can't be solved. It will be solved. And to echo Andy, we are joining forces with the police department, with every entity that we can.

to come for you. We are going to help them bring you down. You're not going to keep doing what you're doing to the public and hurting these families. Andy Con joining us, Crime Stoppers Houston, who is now an ambassador for the Gonzales, his new foundation, Murder Has a Name. That's what I always ask. What can I do? What can we do? Give us something to do to help you, to help Christy, to help Steve, to help Chris Hanson. Just tell me, what do you want us to do? Once we get everything launched out there, the public will be able to first sign up and request help. And, of course, being a nonprofit, you know, donations, that's what's going to keep this as a foundation floating. All the funds that the foundation is going to get are going to be going towards getting the DNA matches.

None of us are getting paid. We're all volunteers. None of us are going on junkets or anything like that. strictly to help families get their cases solved and to give them hope. So again, this is not a state, this is a national issue with hundreds of thousands of unsolved homicides, sexual assaults, and other violent crimes. And you mentioned this early on in a segment that lack of funding has caused so many cases, DNA just to sit there and wait to be tested. That's a lot of absurd. And that shouldn't happen in this day and age. And that's what we're going to do by raising

funds and get these cases tested, get the DNA tested, and get predators like the Golden Gate Killer and many others off the streets so they can't harm another person. Chris Hansen joining us who has partnered with the Consolves family. He is the star of Have a Seat with Chris Hansen podcast, and he is world known for solving cases, catching predators. So, Chris, tell us, even if it's an echo of what Andy and Tracy have said, tell us what you want us to do to help you and to help the Gonsolvis family. We'll do it. I think people need to sign up.

People need to get involved. People need to say, okay, this hasn't happened to me. I pray that it won't. I pray that it doesn't happen to anybody else either. But you and I know the sad reality is these predators are out there. We did a sting a few weeks ago in Louisiana. One guy shows up to meet a child. He's an illegal immigrant from Honduras.

Unbeknownst to us, Nancy, his cousin was hiding in the car. He parked outside the stinghouse. They were going to grab this girl, a 15-year-old girl, according to the scenario, and take her likely into human trafficking. This is happening every day. That could have been a homicide. So we're doing our part with our stories on True Blue, take down, have a seat with Chris Hansen,

just like you're doing here. And I'm asking people to as much as they can, sign up and do their part in this effort and help murder has a name so that when these horrific things happen, we can catch the killer, catch the perpetrator, and prevent it from happening to someone else. Christy and Steve Gonsalves joining us, the parents of Kelly Gonsalves,

and they're charging forward, they're soldiering on, and if they can do it, certainly we can join together to help them. To Christy Gonsolves, Kelly's mom, after Kelly was murdered by Brian Koeberger, what were those days like when you were waiting for a resolution? There is no closure.

I hate when people say that because your life is never, ever going to be the same, ever. But resolution, when you were waiting to find out who did this thing? It was absolute utter despair. It was every emotion you could possibly fear. It was fear. It was sadness. anger. You know, we had two young kids still living at home. We had older kids. We didn't know if Kaylee was the target. If our family now was the target because you had no idea who it was.

It was just helplessness, hopelessness. And those seven weeks of all this time that we've gone through were the worst. And it breaks my heart as a mother thinking that people even a day longer than that seven weeks that we had to go through because it was not livable. I don't know how we lived it. I don't know how we survived those weeks of not knowing. So for me to be able to give an answer to some of these people who have just waited for all these years, decades, even if it's a year, even if it's six months, I know what that feels like. And I want to give that to another mother, another father, a grandmother, a grandfather, a brother, a sister.

I want to be able to say that, I mean, obviously we can't solve these crimes ourselves, but we could help fund them and be a part of it. And that to me is everything, because not knowing is the absolute worst. There's nothing worse, nothing. Steve Gonzalez, Kelly's dad, has been very outspoken, as he should be, after the murder of his girl. What were those days like for you after Kelly was murdered by Brian Coburger and there was no resolution? Being the leader of my family, I looked at all of us and just said, we are going to do something. We are going to call people.

we are going to make emails. We are going to be a part of whoever did this to your sister. We're not just going to take back and just wait for stuff to happen. We're going to make things happen. And that's never stopped. I remember thinking to myself, how do I go to sleep at night when something like this happens? There's so much injustice that just happened to me. And can I really rest right now?

Is there some more I could do? And it always felt like there was more I could do. And then when we finally get the person and, you know, the case, we were ready to go to trial and that got canceled. And one of the good things about this is we can tell everybody on our Facebook page that we are a goal. That's what their money went to. We had, we did a go fund meeting for going to court. Well, now that money's rolling in. And hundreds of thousands of people are actually going to be playing a part of murder has a name because we asked, you know, who wants refund?

And only one person wanted to refund. Everyone else said, hey, keep it, do something, go vacation. We didn't use that for a vacation. We used that and is rolling into this, and we're going to go help other families, you know, solve their cases. We'll close those gaps between funding and a lab that's sitting there waiting for funding. We're going to be the funding. And I think that's going to change, you know, private money being used to solve crimes without taxpayers is a really good strategy to scare criminals to think into themselves. It might not be possible for me to get away with this.

And let's hope that's what we can do is start showing people and highlighting with, you know, channels like you that this is, this isn't going to keep working. Science is catching up. Crimes are getting harder and harder to commit because people are getting really, really good at solving things, you know. You know, science has come a long, long way and maybe it just is over. They're over. let's make it over guys that you want to play a part go to our foundation talk to us give us give us a

name if you've been injustice and you have a case we will look at it we will research it and we will get moving we are here to make things happen and you will make things happen from your mouth to god's ear just so you know to the gonsolvis you are a role model you now have that burden on you and i am sure you welcome it People that are suffering, crime victims all around the world see you and hear you and are inspired by you. I am. I want to thank the González family. I want to thank our friend Chris Hansen, our longtime friend, Andy Kahan, Tracy Braco.

Thank you for not just talking about it, but doing something about it. Now is the time we typically remember an American hero, but tonight, I want to remember the four beautiful Idaho students that lost their lives at the hands of a monster. That would be Keeley, Ethan, Maddie, and Zana. Please do not let their deaths be in vain for nothing. Here's a chance for all of us to do something about it. Not just talk about it, not just report about it, not just read about it, scroll about it online. Do something. Go to Murder Has a Name and be inspired.

Nancy Gray signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.