Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Kevin Spacey's creepy response to teen sex assault charge: 'Let me be Frank'

Episode Date: January 8, 2019

Kevin Spacey allegedly sexually assaulted a teen at a Massachusetts bar in 2016, but it is not the only sex abuse allegation against the actor. Nancy Grace looks at the case against the "House of Cards" star with a panel including forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan -- author of "Blood Beneath My Feet," Atlanta juvenile judge and lawyer Ashley Willcott New York psychologist Caryn Stark, and syndicated radio host David Mack. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Do you know another parent or expecting parent? Are you wondering what can I give them as a gift? Don't give them another onesie. Don't give them a plastic toy or, God forbid, a toy gun that's just going to end up in the garage. Give them something that matters. And what matters the most is protecting their child.

What do you love most in the world? Your children. What will you do to protect them? Anything. I sat down with the smartest people I know in the world on matters of child safety, finding missing children, fighting back against predators. And what I learned is so important, powerful, and information so critical. I want you to have it. I want them to have it. Go to crimestopshere.com for a five-part series with action information that you can use to change your life and protect your child. Give that as a gift, not another onesie.

Find out how to protect your child when you're out at the mall or the store, the grocery, in the parking lot, at home. Find out about protection regarding babysitters and daycare, even online. I'd rather have that any day of the week than a plastic toy or, God forbid, a toy gun. Join Justice Nation. Go to crimestopshere.com. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I know what you want. Oh, sure, they may have tried to separate us,

but what we have is too strong, it's too powerful. I mean, after all, we shared everything, you and I. I told you my deepest, darkest secrets. I showed you exactly what people are capable of. I shocked you with my honesty, but mostly I challenged you and made you think. And you trusted me, even though you knew you shouldn't. So we're not done, no matter what anyone says. And besides, I know what you want.

You want me back. Actually, what I want is you to stop shoving your hand down people's pants. That's actually really what I want, and I really want to find out the truth behind the stories of now nearly 30 people that claim superstar Kevin Spacey sexually assaulted them. Listen, if you don't believe this one guy, which I actually do, the teen boy at the car club in Nantucket that was the bartender. Listen, the old Vic Theater in London where he was working, Spacey was working for a couple of years, had to open a hotline for all the people complaining about Kevin Spacey mistreating them okay you know there is

strength in numbers i'm not saying they're all telling the truth but there is strength in numbers at some point you got to say are they all lying or is it just kevin spacey lying well you just heard acting actor kevin spacey's youtube video quote Me Be Frank. And it seems that Spacey is reprising his role of Frank Underwood in the Netflix series House of Cards. I don't know, but there ain't no coinkydink. There is no coincidence in criminal law. He dropped this video right as felony charges of sex misconduct were announced. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

And in Nancy land, there is no rich or poor. Everybody gets grilled well done. Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories. What an all-star panel. Dave Max, syndicated talk show host. Karen Stark, renowned New York psychologist. Joining us from Manhattan, Judge, lawyer, Ashley Wilcott, found at ashywilcott.com. And Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon.

Now, that's certainly something you want to cuddle up to at night, Blood Beneath My Feet. And professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University, Dave Mack. Dave Mack. Now, keep your opinions out of this. Just don't be jealous that Kevin Spacey hasn't found you at a bar and stuck his hand down your pants. Don't be jealous, all right? Let's try to keep a clear head about this. Let's start with the case at hand, okay? Forget all the so-called similar transactions. That hurts me as much as it hurts you, Ashley Wilcott. We both have sons, and the last thing we want is one of them to be on the job and get sex molested.

Okay? Let's just start not with all of the other guys that claim this happened to them. Okay? Because we don't really know all those facts. Although last night, I did make a huge flow chart for today. Let's start with the case at hand. We don't even know the victim's full name, but we do know who his mother is. His mother is an on-air TV personality. She's a

newscaster in her neck of the woods. Her name is Heather Unruh. She's the one that's been doing the talking for her teen boy because he has been, let's just say, as all sex attack victims are, has remained anonymous, although I'm sure everybody knows who he is. Start at the beginning, Dave Mack. Tell me what happened according to the alleged victim. All right. Heather Unruh's son was 18 years old, and he was actually a busboy in this restaurant bar in Boston. Wait a minute.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. A teen boy? Yes, ma'am. An 18-year-old? He was only 18. You can work at a bar? Ashley Wilcott, you're the juvenile judge. How can a teen, an 18-year-old work at a bar?

I didn't think they could drink until they were 21. Is that wrong? Well, no, they could work as bus boys, though. They can work there. Even though they can't drink until 21, they could absolutely work there. And in fact, a number of 18-year-olds and young kids, I call them, even though they can work there even though they can't drink until 21 they could absolutely work there and in fact a number of 18 year olds and young kids i call them even though they're not under the age of 18 work there as busboys as a matter of fact you know what's interesting although i said i wasn't going to talk about it i just want to point out that after i investigated

dave mack uh first of all actually thank you for that because i didn't know that. My forte is felonies, not misdemeanor, underage, working at a bar, crimes, but they're important. I'm not belittling those crimes. I'm just not as familiar with them as I am with, you know, murder, rape, child molestation, and arson. But question, I was reading and studying all the other claims, and many of them were 18 to 20 years old that worked in bars and restaurants. I'm just pointing out that that is a very strong similarity in these cases. Okay, Dave Mack, back to Unruh's son. Go ahead. Okay, and there's a whole lot of other similarities, too, but just staying with this one. Heather Unruh's son, 18 years old at the time this happened, he was working and met Kevin Spacey and was a bit starstruck. After he got off work, Kevin Spacey, because he consumed a number of alcoholic beverages.

And that's when the assault allegedly occurred. Kevin Spacey stuck his hand down the pants of this 18-year-old boy after he plied him with enough alcohol to render him not able to really put up much of a fight. Hold on. Dave Mack. I want to go to Joe Scott Morgan. Joseph Scott Morgan, as he has corrected me on multiple occasions. Joseph Scott Morgan. You hear what Mack just said, that he plied him with drinks. You have a teen son about this age. And, you know, I said, well, who can make you drink? Well, think about it. If your son son I don't know who his you know

idol might be other than you and his mom of course you know maybe if my son saw you know he just watched Ant-Man maybe if you saw Ant-Man that actor or or somebody he knows from TV we watch a Murdoch mysteries maybe if he saw William Murdoch he would sit there and um you know just go along i can just see this kid well 18. and spacey buying him one drink after the next and he just they're playing the piano and they're all sitting around having a good time and he's texting his girlfriend saying hey look i'm a kevin spacey Can you just see that unfolding, Joe Scott Morgan? Yeah, I can.

You know, particularly at 18, you're starstruck. This guy, you know, Spacey has been, well, he's 18 years old. Spacey's been in his life this entire time in the media. And he's, you know, he's a famous actor. I mean, and a damn good actor, too. You know, you look back. But it's hard to separate, you know, reality from that fantasy world. You know, I don't really have a problem with it. Did you just say D-A-M-N, potty mouth?

Who, me? No. Okay, that was Ashley Wilcox. Did you know how she is? That was Ashley. I know. Now, okay, so what about that? What he's saying, Karen Stark, New York psychologist, joining us.

You can find her at karenstark.com. Karen, I mean, grown adults. And remember, Jackie's waving her arms at me. She's right. The kid, I'm saying the kid, he's 18. You know, my dad was halfway across the world on a Navy ship at that age. But he's 18. He did lie about his age because he thought he'd get in trouble for drinking.

All right? So can you see him going along with Kevin Spacey? I mean, really, at that point, what harm was there? You know, they were singing. They were drinking. Spacey was buying him drinks. Can you see that? I see it, but it's wrong, Nancy.

It's just so wrong. And he has decades of the history of doing this thing, the same kind of thing happening with kids who are starstruck, and they are kids because they are not developed to the point where they can deal with that. They really can't make those kind of judgments. They can't make those kind of calls. And as you can tell, through these stories, people were not approaching him just because he was a star. He was allowed to get away with it for so long. Yeah, that's what Richard Dreyfuss' son says, that it happened to him as he was rehearsing lines with Spacey in Spacey's apartment with his dad, Richard Dreyfuss, there, and the dad didn't know about it, and the son says he was too embarrassed to ever say anything

and thought nobody would believe him. That's one of the similars. But what I'm talking about is can you just see a kid going along with it, a teen, he's with Kevin Spacey, and he lied about his age because he knew he wasn't supposed to be drinking. I want you to take a listen to what the mom, Heather Unruh, says. Spacey stuck his hand inside my son's pants and grabbed his genitals. And my son's efforts

to shift his body to remove Spacey's hand were only momentarily successful. The violation continued. My son panicked. He froze. He was intoxicated and Kevin Spacey was insisting that he come with him to a private after-hours party to drink even more. Fortunately, Kevin Spacey left briefly to use the bathroom. And when he was out of sight, a concerned woman quickly came to my very shaken son's side and asked if he was okay. Obviously, she had seen something and she knew that he was not. She told him to run and he did. Of course, some believed everything and had just been waiting with bated breath to hear me confess it all. They're just dying to have me declare that everything said is true and that I got what I deserved. Wouldn't that be easy if it was all so simple? Only you and I both know it's never that simple, not in politics and not in life.

But you wouldn't believe the worst without evidence, would you? You wouldn't rush to judgments without facts, would you? Did you? No, not you. You're smarter than that. Anyway, all this presumption made for such an unsatisfying ending, and to think it could have been such a memorable send-off. I mean, if you and I have learned nothing else these past years, it's that in life and art, nothing should be off the table.

We weren't afraid, not of what we said, not of what we did, and we're still not afraid. Because I can promise you this. If I didn't pay the price for the things we both know I did do I'm certainly not going to pay the price for the things I didn't do wow okay if you really listen to those words they pack a punch arrogant you are hearing actor superstar actor Kevin Spacey's self-created youtube video quote let me be frank he's apparently in character as the role he played in the netflix series house of cards of frank underwood with his fake southern accent um which really irritates all of us who really truly do have a horrible Southern accent. But that aside, the words, I mean, Ashley Wilcott, judge, lawyer, Ashley, you know,

sometimes I feel like, oh, I've seen it all. You know, after all the cases I've tried and what I've seen done to people, victims, infants, children, women. But this one, it's a conundrum. As I like to say to the children, it's a mystery wrapped in a conundrum, shrouded in intrigue. Because what was he thinking? This video that he dropped, and I watched it almost all the way through until i just couldn't take it anymore then i forced myself to watch the whole thing it's so smug

it's like hey look at me instead of at that look over here not over there look at my video not at the charges just filed against me and the words are really mocking what's happening in court to what could be a real victim. Yeah. So number one, Nancy, I can imagine that his attorneys probably would have advised him against dropping this video. Number two, why, why, why? Here's the irony to me. He actually, his attorneys filed a motion that he not have to appear in person at arraignment, that they appear on his behalf. So here's someone who's saying, oh, I don't want to create a big public spectacle by coming to court. But on the other hand, I'm going to drop a video that I know millions of people are going to view that's bizarre. I mean, he's in a character from a show he was in.

That piece, I thought he is shooting himself in the foot even further. Okay, don't judge me, Dave Mack, but I didn't ever see House of Cards. Jackie, did you see it? Okay, she says no. And we watch almost exclusively on demand, except we usually watch Amazon. But we have been watching some stranger things all right which i think is on netflix um i didn't see house of cards and i don't know who that character is spacey's character i mean really it's all i can do to get up every morning at 5 30 and get the

twins to school and work and blah blah blah blah then all of a sudden it's you know it's the end of the day i'm like what happened so tell me is House of Cards and what is the role that he plays, Dave Mack? House of Cards is a political thriller where Kevin Spacey's character, Frank Underwood, is the president of the United States and he's evil. He killed his, he killed and just terrorized people to get to that position. And then after the story broke, this very successful House of Cards Netflix series actually was put on hiatus, and then they went ahead and filmed a sixth season

without Kevin Spacey. They killed off his character and then wrapped the whole series. Huh. Okay, so they ended the whole series after this whole thing broke. Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Join me. And there are actually some people involved in the cast that have made accusations similar to the story that we've heard about the other 30 accusations against Kevin Spacey.

Let me get out my flow chart because there are tons of people. I hear you laughing in the background. Alan Duke is with me. You know, I'm looking back and there are so many claims let's see eight house of cards employees have made complaints 20 they are specifically accusing him of misconduct over 20 people came forward at the old vic theater as of today alan you watch house of Cards. Tell me about his character and how in the world did he think dropping this video was going to help him?

Well, first of all, the character of Frank Underwood got away with everything. That is until in real life, Kevin Spacey stopped getting away with everything and they killed him off. And he was tossed out of the White house and his wife took over as president but anyway i think he made this video because frank underwood was so smart he could get away with murder literally and so maybe maybe that's his defense that he's frank underwood and guys if you don't know this already uh kevin spacey was pulled over for speeding on his way home for court, according to TMZ. He couldn't make it home from his alleged sex assault case fast enough.

He has been busted speeding. That's apparently the very latest that we're hearing. I don't know all the details on that, and we're trying to get to the bottom of that. But so that's the character he played in Frank Underwood. Dave Mack, I know we've wandered far afield, but can we go back to the claim itself? So the mom says a woman came up to her son and said, are you okay? And another witness apparently describes him as white as a sheet and shaken, looking like, what? I don't know if that's the booze or if that's what happened to him.

But I want everybody to just pause for a moment and imagine if this happened to your teen girl. Take that in for a moment. You know, there's another case, Dave Mack, where at least one, maybe two or three, where the alleged victim ran. Ran and hid in the bathroom at a bar, left, ran to get away, that the attacks were so forceful. So what happened after the woman comes up to him and says, are you okay?

Well, he actually did flee. You know, he was shaken. Spacey goes to the bathroom, and Heather Unruh's son left the building. One of the things you mentioned early on was that he was texting his girlfriend all along the way. And yesterday in court, Kevin Spacey, the attorney, asked for the judge to make the prosecution keep up with all of the transmissions that evening and for the next six months, because they claim that at no point in time did Heather Unruh's son ever indicate to anyone what was going on. But I want to point out something.

The groping happened after about an hour of the two sitting and talking together. Kevin Spacey had really, in an hour-long period of time, gotten this kid drunk and was really warming up to him. That's when he put the move on him. That's when it rocked this kid's world. And thankfully, Kevin Spacey had to go to the bathroom because if not, we don't know what could have happened. Hi, Nancy Grace here. Have you ever Googled yourself, your neighbors, somebody at work, a crush? 57% of Americans admit to keeping an eye on their own online reputation. 46% admit

to using the internet to look up somebody from their past. But Google and Facebook, the tip of the iceberg when it comes to finding personal information. There's an innovative new website called Truthfinder. It's now revealing the full scoop on millions of Americans. Truthfinder can search through hundreds of millions of public records in a matter of minutes. Truthfinder members can literally begin searching in seconds for sensitive data like criminal, traffic, arrest records. Before you bring someone new into your life and around the people you care for, your children, consider using Truthfinder. What you find may astound you. Go to truthfinder.com forward slash Nancy right away to start searching. Truthfinder.com forward slash Nancy.

Truthfinder.com forward slash Nancy. Find the truth. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Oh, of course, they're going to say I'm being disrespectful, not playing by the rules like I ever played by anyone's rules before. I never did. And you loved it. Anyhow, despite all the poppycock, the animosity, the headlines, the impeachment without a trial, despite everything, despite even my own death, I feel surprisingly good and my confidence grows each day that soon enough,

you will know the full truth. Wait a minute. Now that I think of it, you never actually saw me die, did you? Conclusions can be so deceiving. Miss me? Okay. I was holding out a reasonable doubt until I heard that.

No, I don't miss you. Yes, I liked you a lot in American Beauty. After that, you know, I just, I can't speak to that. But I know about this. That was a very ill-timed video that Kevin Spacey made, apparently in the $6 million mansion in Baltimore, owned by his close friend where he's been holed up for some time. We are learning in the last hours that Kevin Spacey has had another run-in

with law enforcement just hours after he appears in court on sex assault charges. The actor was pulled over for speeding near the Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport, says a person with Metropolitan Washington Airport's authority. Spacey was in the driver's seat, was not given a ticket, and we know he's been staying in Baltimore. He was joined by his lawyer, Alan Jackson, who was in the passenger seat. He was given a verbal warning not to speed. Now, TMZ was the first to report this and actually got footage of Spacey in a black suburban Ford getting pulled over by two officers.

I don't know how TMZ is always everywhere, everywhere. But I know one thing. I never traveled to LAX without three pair of Dollar Tree sunglasses stuck in my shirt. Okay, because they are everywhere. That Harvey Levin, I mean mean he is like on it now i want to get back to what's happening we were playing you a clip from his self-created video where he plays frank underwood a character that was killed off in netflix house of cards after these allegations surface but i want you to hear the response to this. This was done before he dropped the video.

This is the alleged victim's mother, TV personality, Heather Unruh. In July 2016, actor Kevin Spacey sexually assaulted my son. It happened late night inside the Club Car restaurant and bar on Nantucket Island. The victim, my son, was a starstruck, straight, 18-year-old young man who had no idea that the famous actor was an alleged sexual predator or that he was about to become his next victim. My son was not of legal age to drink alcohol.

He told Kevin Spacey that he was of legal age. But whether he was over 21 or not, Kevin Spacey had no right to sexually assault him. There was no consent. And when my son was drunk, Spacey made his move and sexually assaulted him. You're hearing Heather Unruh, the alleged victim's mom. Let's talk about what happened in court yesterday. It was being carried live on so many outlets.

Ashley Wilcott, juvenile judge and lawyer, from your perspective, I thought the judge did a good job. He really kept it short and sweet. No playing to the cameras as we see so many judges do when they're on camera. You know, nothing like that. No joking, blah, blah, blah. I mean, he, it was just cut and dried. There was no real preferential treatment, although Spacey got to come in. He didn't really have to wait because, you know, Ashley, when I would handle plea and arraignment calendars, there'd be 150 people on the calendar and you sat there and you waited till your case was called and believe me i was going as fast as i could okay but he got

to come in he did get a little curb service but that really didn't bother me because he had actually tried to waive appearing but under massachusetts law you must appear in person the first time after you've been charged. That's something you can't waive. The judge did waive his next hearing, which is on March 4 at 11 a.m. But how did you think? Explain what happened in court, Ashley Wilcott. Okay, so first of all, I agree. He was treated like most defendants are treated, which is appropriate.

Regardless of fame and fortune, they need to be treated the same across the board and so number one the fact that the judge said no you do have to appear you cannot waive your presence at arraignment it's just like other criminal defendants so that's good i agree with you he showed up of course there was a circus of course there were people watching him get out of his car of course there needed to be precautions to ensure that you know it didn't become like he did get curb service. Well, that's good because they wanted to reduce the circus as much as they could. The judge was very forthcoming, very direct arraignment, as you well know. And for all our listeners is, are you entering a plea of guilty or not guilty?

The charges against you are read. And that's all that ever happens. So it was short and sweet by the book and that's what happened in Kevin Spacey's case. What do you think legally Ashley Wilcott will happen next? So legally now that he's denied the charge he is going to have to proceed along the legal system which is okay we've had arraignment there's going to be indictment there's going to another hearing. There's going to be a trial set and a trial court date. And he then has the options that all defendants have. You can either negotiate and enter a plea or in the alternative, you go to trial and he would have to be prepared to defend his case. And in a nutshell to Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, author of Blood Beneath My Feet,

Joe Scott, much has been made of an alleged cell phone video that the boy, the teen, took during the incident. A lot of people are going, wow, it must not have been that bad if he could take a video of it. But, I mean, he's with Kevin Spacey, and he's taking this video. It's no more than a few seconds people are arguing it shows nothing some people say it shows everything we haven't seen it yet but what do you make of that evidence in the judge's order that all cell phone and electronic data be preserved for quite a period of time from the time around of the incident around the 7th of July on several weeks. What do you make of that? Yeah, I think that it's significant, and they want to be able to analyze it from a criminal investigative standpoint.

And also, they don't want this thing getting washed out. I think if I remember, this was a Snapchat video that he had sent to his girlfriend at that particular time. I, like no one else, has actually seen this thing yet. But I can only imagine seeing some of these Snapchat videos that my college students have put out, and they'll show me periodically. The composition of these things is questionable many times. You can't make a lot out of it, but we'll see. Listen to this.

Okay, Mr. Fowler, this complaint charges that in the town of Nantucket on July 8, 2016, did commit indecent assault and battery gun person 14 or over. Sir, if you're charged with another offense while this matter is open, you can be held for 90 days without bail. Mr. DA, request beyond the bail warning, any? Beyond the bail warning, Your Honor, the Commonwealth is requesting that Mr. Spacey be ordered to stay away and have no contact with a named victim and his family. All right. Certainly, the court will impose those conditions.

Anything additional? No, Judge. Okay. All right. So, no requests in terms of movement or staying within the United States anything as required by the court judge and as a report required by the probation department our only request simply specifically is the stay away okay all right well those will be the conditions then sir you'll meet with probation

you'll sign those conditions you'll you've required to stay away and have no contact direct or indirect, with the alleged victim. I know what you want. Oh, sure, they may have tried to separate us, but what we have is too strong. It's too powerful. I mean, after all, we shared everything, you and I.

I told you my deepest, darkest secrets. I showed you exactly what people are capable of. I shocked you with my honesty, but mostly I challenged you and made you think. And you trusted me, even though you knew you shouldn't. So we're not done, no matter what anyone says. And besides, I know what you want you want me back well actually I can't say it enough that's really not what I want I want to know what happened that night in the club car bar in Nantucket Massachusetts in July with an teen boy

you just heard after Kevin Spacey's YouTube video self-created called let me be Frank which indicates he's playing the part of Frank Underwood, his character in a Netflix series, House of Cards, where he is an evil politician. To Alan Duke, joining me from L.A. Alan, you are a House of Cards aficionado. Explain to me again, what's so compelling? Why did everybody love Frank Underwood? Well, he was the villain that you were rooting for because he was so interesting. I mean, he was killing people. He was corrupting the government. He was just the worst politician

you could ever think of. But for some reason, I found myself hoping that he would not be caught so that the story could continue. And I do hope the story continues. I know Dave said he thinks the series is over, but I'm pleading Netflix, bring it back. Not with him, though. Not with Frank Underwood. Thank you for using this platform to beg for a Netflix series. I have to binge on it. Okay. All right. You know what? I remember when I gave a speech to a group in Port Huron, and it was right on the Canadian border, and I was begging somebody, I didn't know who would hear me,

for them to hurry up and release the next Murdoch Mysteries because you have to wait in the U.S. to get it because it's Canadian. You can only get it if you're a Brit or Canadian. So I feel your pain, Alan, but right now I'm trying to get to the bottom of this case. David Mack, syndicated talk show host joining me Dave now tell me about the other complaints you've got about eight to ten on the set of House of Cards and you've got about 20 at least in London throughout England actually not just London in my flowchart let me get that thing back out again I tried to mark where they were all coming from you know because that's gonna matter regarding similarities I can't even read some of

my writing but it was out and about they were in London I think I'm writing Liverpool in some places in his New York apartment at the Old Vic Theater out and about. Are you familiar with the case with Richard Dreyfuss's son? I am. And in reality, the cases for Kevin Spacey all started with Anthony Rapp, the actor. He was 14 years old at the time. I think it was 1986. And he was on Broadway in a play.

And he was enamored with Kevin Spacey, as so many others were. And Anthony Rapp, at 14, ended up back at Kevin Spacey's apartment in New York City. Now, he came forward at the height of the Harvey Weinstein accusations. And that was what he said. That's why he came out and he gave a very big statement. That's when Kevin Spacey actually sent it. What did Anthony Rapp, then 14 years old, working, I guess, on a movie with him, what happened? He claims that he went to an apartment with Kevin Spacey's apartment where they drank. Kevin Spacey made a move on him. He rebuffed him. He ended up sleeping on the couch in Kevin Spacey's apartment where they drank kevin spacey made a move on him he rebuffed him he ended up

sleeping on the couch in kevin space's apartment but when he woke up the next morning kevin spacey was on the couch with his arms draped around anthony rapp and his head when he woke up he said he was shocked and dismayed anthony rapp was 14 years old at the time hold on hold on karen stark that is what i do not want. I do not want to wake up in an unknown apartment with some guy's arms that I've never met before, just barely know, wrapped around me with his head on my stomach. I don't want that. No, of course you don't want that, Nancy. But think about the fact that if you were 14, what makes this even worse is that here's a predator who's arrogant about it who's actually saying when he released that video that you're going to side with him oh he could get away

with anything because he's so interesting and he used his celebrity to actually spin this web and trap all of these young people. And it didn't matter, male or female, because there's even a girl who came forward who said that the same thing had happened. All right, Nancy, one of the things I want all parents to hear in this case with the 18-year-old and Kevin Spacey and any other victims out there is 18-year-old brains are not fully developed. They're not going to make good, sound decisions. But this 18-year-old admitted in his victim statement that he drank a lot, often to the point of blacking out. It does not excuse or defend Kevin Spacey's behavior at all or alleged behavior. But I am going to say this, parents, pay attention to what your children are doing to help educate them about how to avoid situations where they may be a victim.

You know, I'm looking, Dave Mack, at all of these names and configurations I wrote down. You've got Anthony Rapp that you just mentioned, Robert Cavazos, an actor there at the Old Vic, Daniel Beek, if I can read my writing, that was in London. And I have that he was a teen bartender at the West Sussex Hotel that he claims Spacey gave him an expensive watch to stay quiet. Justin Davies, a 16-year-old in high school that he gave alcohol and allegedly showed gay porn to. Mike Ebenbach, a 35-year-old military advisor

on the set of Outbreak that his producers solicited him for a rendezvous. He said no. Harry Dreyfuss, then 18, a filmmaker, then in his 30s got groped, according to him. A 20-year-old bartender in London who went to a party, got groped, and took his girlfriend and left. An anonymous 20-year-old, it looks like I have London written, another anonymous New York artist that was then a child actor, 14 at the time. I mean, it goes on and on and on, but where will it end? Listen to this. Spacey stuck his hand inside my son's pants and grabbed his genitals.

And my son's efforts to shift his body to remove Spacey's hand were only momentarily successful. The violation continued. My son panicked. He froze. He was intoxicated, and Kevin Spacey was insisting that he come with him to a private after-hours party to drink even more. Fortunately, Kevin Spacey left briefly to use the bathroom. And when he was out of sight, a concerned woman quickly came to my very shaken son's side and asked if he was okay. Obviously, she had seen something,

and she knew that he was not. She told him to run, and he did. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace, Crime Stories, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.