Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Key Witness or Co-Conspirator: Did rode queen mistress bludgeon mom Kelsey Berreth to death in bloodbath?

Episode Date: October 28, 2019

Patrick Frazee's mistress is the prosecution's key witness against him. Frazee is accused of killing his fiance, Kelsey Berreth. The young mom's body has never been found. With Nancy Grace today to discuss the trial getting underway today: Daryl Cohen, Former Assistant District Attorney, Fulton County, Georgia; James Shelnutt - 27-year Atlanta Metro Major Case detective, SWAT Officer, Retired; Caryn Stark. Psychologist; Forensics Experts Joseph Scott Morgan and Karen Smith ; Alexis Tereschuk, Radar Online; Ellen Killoran, Crime Online Reporter.This week's podcast is sponsored by the new Wondery podcast Bad Batch. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bad-batch/id1482851200 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Today on Crime Stories, we head to Colorado. Crystal Lee pled guilty to a class six felony tampering with physical evidence. We have postponed sentencing until after any hearings or trials are done on any other related matters. Certainly, that would include the Patrick Frazee charges at this time by our agreement that she will not be sentenced until after all trials are completed. Joining Nancy Grace, Daryl Cohen, former assistant DA, Fulton County, Georgia. James Shelnut, 27 years Atlanta Metro major case detective, SWAT officer, retired. Karen Stark, psychologist.

Joe Scott Morgan, forensics expert, professor of forensics and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. And Alexis Tereschuk from Radar Online. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Turns out there was another woman in Patrick's life, a former Idaho rodeo queen named Crystal Lee. What did Crystal say about Patrick? Was she in love with him? I think she was to a point.

Michelle Stein says her best friend Crystal confided in her about a disturbing conversation Crystal and Patrick had before Kelsey disappeared. She had told me that he had asked her to take care of his baby mama. And you took that to me? And so I was like, well, I was in shock at first because people, who that and she said yeah he asked me if I would kill the mother of his baby. Michelle says she pushed Crystal to call the police but she didn't and neither did Michelle. I kept telling her I think you need to call and tell somebody. I'm trusting her to do the right thing. But I think Michelle people watching will say call the police say you need to talk to my friend.

Someone's asking her to kill someone. Yeah, you're right. But do you have regret? Of course I regret it. I regret it every day. You're hearing our friends at CBS 48 Hours, Nikki Batista. The case of Kelsey Bear, the 29-year-old young mom, brutally murdered. Her body never found.

Her boyfriend, Patrick Frazee, her so-called fiance, the father of the little baby, heading to trial. It's happening now. You were just hearing our friends at CBS 48 Hours, and reportedly, the boyfriend, the fiance, having a sex affair with a rodeo queen crystal jean lee kenny alexis tereschuk investigative reporter with radar online.com alexis will she end up taking the fall at trial no the girlfriend's not going to take the blame he's going to take the blame she has already coming on she she's confessed that she helped throw out the cell phone. She has turned state's witness. She will get punished, but she is totally helping the prosecutor and she's going to get him in trouble. She is not

going to take the blame for this murder. Well, as a matter of fact, I tell you why I think that they may very well try to frame the girlfriend. Take a listen again to our friends at CBS 48 Hours. After Kelsey vanished, authorities tracked down Crystal. And when they offered her a deal in exchange for her testimony against Patrick, she told an incredible story. She admits to cleaning up the crime scene and tells the prosecution the whole entire story of what happened. There's poison coffee. There's a metal baseball bat, scented candles, a blindfold,

phones that are pinging all over Colorado and in Idaho. Crystal told authorities Patrick tried to get her to kill Kelsey three different times, and each time she chickened out. Then she says it was Patrick who killed Kelsey. In exchange for her testimony against Patrick Friese, she agreed to plead guilty to evidence tampering versus a more serious charge. So right now she only faces a max of three years in prison.

But the trial's coming up. If her story falls apart, that deal is off the table. Yeah, the trial's coming up now. The case heading to a jury trial. You know, to Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor, now defense attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction. Daryl, I mean, she said, well, three different times he talked to me about killing Kelsey every time I quote chickened out. When you chicken out, that kind of means that you've said you do it, then you back out. Not that you always refused. So she's got a problem. Not only that, she cleaned

up the crime scene and threw away the cell phones. It makes her look guilty, Daryl. Makes her extremely guilty, which means that when she changed her little story and turned into a witness, that's what she did to save herself. And when you talk about, is her story going to hold up or is it going to fall apart? It depends on how truthful she is, because Nancy, you and I always know that if you tell the truth, you don't ever have to remember what you said. It may come out a little differently, but it'll always come out the same. So she's got a problem and she's trying to correct that problem. Not that I wouldn't have killed him. I just got scared what would happen to me. So I'm good with her testimony as long as it's consistent. You know what, James Shelnut, 27 years Metro Major Case

Detective, SWAT officer, now lawyer. You you know I've said to many a jury James sometimes you got to go to hell to get your witnesses to put the devil in jail and that's just what they got to do right now maybe before she met this guy Patrick Frazee she maybe she was a nice lady but she's ended up to her eyeballs. I mean, I'd have to put her on the stand and hold my nose getting her testimony. Yeah, she's a necessary evil in this case. And I believe that the defense is absolutely going to point the finger at her. It's going to be interesting to see all the theories they come up with. But, you know, she's definitely not a good person, Nancy. I mean, if you think about this, she knew for months, you know, back in September of

last year, reportedly is the first time that this Frise guy attempted to solicit her to kill Kelsey. And so she knew for months that Kelsey's life was in danger. She knew for months that that mother, that daughter, that beautiful human being that she was, that she was probably going to be murdered at the hands of the psychopath. And she sat there and did nothing. And then not only did she do nothing, she participated in cleaning up the crime scene. And you know, Nancy, you've seen these like I have. Someone getting murdered with a ball bat

and being beaten to hell with a ball bat is a very gruesome thing, from the blood to the brain marrow to the skull fragments. This is not something where she walks in with a couple of wet wipes and cleans up the apartment. This is a gruesome crime scene. To that, to taking a cell phone 800 miles away to another state just so that it looked like the victim was there to a whole host of things. She's a bad person. She was in this up to her eyeballs and she's going to be a questionable witness. Okay. I just had to pull away from the

mic because you made me start laughing, James Shelnut Joseph Scott Morgan I'll tell you why a professor of forensics Jacksonville State University author of blood beneath my feet on Amazon when Shelnut just said it's not like she went in there and with a couple of wet wipes I mean yeah he's right this was a major major crime scene cleanup i'm coming to you you're the forensics expert explain what the crime scene was like because remember joseph scott morgan as if you would forget which you would not when kelsey barrett a young mom of just 29 she did it all. Wasn't she a pilot? Yeah, she was a female pilot. She just bought her own condo, no help from him or anybody else, was raising her baby girl all by herself. I guess Patrick Frazee would drive by every once in a while, drop off some pampers.

But long story short, her body's never been found. But the crime scene speaks volumes when Kelsey Bear's brother came to the house to look for Kelsey. He didn't notice anything was wrong. So what did they find, Joe Scott? Well, you know, the thing about it is, is that at a trace, at a trace level where things are not necessarily easily found with the unaided eye. You can go in there with agents such as Blue Star and Luminol and those sorts of things. Whoa, wait a minute, wait a minute. Okay, we know you're smart, Joe Scott, but dummy down from me. Explain what Blue Star is? Well, listen, a lot of folks don't understand that, you know, our blood actually contains certain elements that when we attempt to wipe them away, it doesn't always

disappear. So we use what is referred to as a blood reagent. And this kind of breathes life into these things that have been attempted to be cleaned up. And it brings them to life. And this kind of breathes life into these things that have been attempted to be cleaned up. And it brings them to life. And what's really cool about this is that when you spritz these agents, such as a blue star or a luminol, which are reagents, they luminesce. And blue star, as the name implies, creates this kind of blue glow, and it can actually be photographed. And not only that, but you can photograph it, and if you examine the photographs very carefully, you can actually pick up on patterns. Things like high velocity impact spatter. You can find things, for instance, like passive drips, where someone has held like something, an instrument, like a baseball bat,

and the blood is kind of dripped off the end of it, even after you have attempted to clean up this area. And the fact that the brother went back and he didn't see anything with the unaided eye gives me an indication that this individual spent a protracted period of time attempting to clean this area up. Because, Nancy, listen, I've cleaned up a lot of blood in my days working in the morgue. It's not an easy undertaking. You have to have the right equipment, you have to have the right tools at your disposal, and you have to have time in order to do it thoroughly. So that gives us an idea how deeply she may have been involved in this. IN THIS. CRIME STORIES WITH NANCY GRACE.

THE JUDGE MADE SEVERAL RULINGS TODAY ON WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE INTRODUCED AS EVIDENCE IN PATRICK FRASIE'S MURDER TRIAL. FRASIE IS ACCUSED OF KILLING HIS FIANCEE KELSEY BARRETH LAST rulings today on what can and cannot be introduced as evidence in Patrick Frazee's murder trial. Frazee is accused of killing his fiancee, Kelsey Barrett, last November. Her body has not been found. The judge ruled today that he will allow statements that Kelsey made to her mother and co-workers about her relationship with Frazee. Those will be allowed to be introduced. Kelsey talked about leaving the relationship at one point. The judge says he will not allow evidence of past animal abuse by Frazee to be included. He says it doesn't have any value. You're hearing our friends at Nine News Denver. That was Gary Shapiro describing what's happening in the courtroom. The case against Patrick Frazee, the so-called killer fiance, is going to trial now. His fiancée, Kelsey Barrett's body, never found.

Alexis Tereschuk, investigative reporter with RadarOnline.com. Alexis, tell me about the crime scene. The crime scene was very meticulously clean. There were not a lot of obvious signs that anything had happened in her house there really weren't and that's why it took place a little while and they weren't even sure had she just gone out and gone grocery shopping and gone missing at the grocery store like they he and his girlfriend had very carefully covered up what happened in this house. Listening to testimony about three different ways that Frazee attempted to solicit murder, the murder of his fiancee, came out in court in a hearing.

Frazee sat there looking completely unfazed by the whole thing. Then he heard about evidence showing that Kelsey was murdered with a baseball bat. That got no obvious sign from him either. No reaction. How do we think she was murdered, Joe Scott Morgan? It would appear that he had many plans that they were that that they were going to perpetrate um i think that there was a mention of potential uh uh poison poison well yeah there were three occasions that he tried to get the girlfriend to first poison her with a starbucks coffee then beat her dead with a metal rod and finally a baseball bat And what's coming out in court in these pretrial hearings is that the girlfriend agreed and tried to comply each time she, quote, chickened out. Okay, during these hearings, investigators say they believe Frazee murdered Barrett himself

in her living room Thanksgiving Day while their baby was in a back bedroom that he blindfolded her with a sweater under the guise that he wantedudgeoned her dead with a baseball bat. Later that day, according to court documents, he called the girlfriend, the rodeo queen, and told her to drive from her home in Idaho from Woodland Park. Quote, you got a mess to clean up. And she did it she drove all the way to the murder scene and cleaned up so obviously they're going to try and blame her because of her involvement but do you think it will work straight out to you k Karen Stark, you're the psychologist at karenstark.com. You know, there may be a juror that buys into it.

She was so, she was up to her rear end in alligators in this thing. She was, Nancy. I mean, think about that. She admitted that she had agreed to try and kill her, and then she chickened out. I mean, so actually was going along with the fact that he was going to murder his girlfriend not just letting this woman keep waiting until she finally got killed however he is the one that did the actual killing think about that scene that you

described here's a woman who's blindfolded thinking that she's going to smell candles and then boom, gets hit, bludgeoned without even knowing what was coming. And so as guilty as his girlfriend is, I really do believe he's the one that's going to be, you know, chastised, jailed, punished for the murder because he did it. I don't know. Sometimes the jury gets so disgusted at a co-defendant, they find the defendant not guilty. I mean, I've seen it happen. It hasn't happened to me, but it has happened. I mean, Daryl Cohen, she was so part of this murder plot, even claiming she left behind one of Kelsey's teeth for investigators to find. She left behind a tooth. Like, what, she's supposed to get a gold star for that? I mean, she just makes me sick,

Daryl. She makes me sick. She makes me sick as well, Nancy, and she probably should be a co-defendant. But on the other hand, does the state have enough evidence without her to prove his guilt? And if her story is as weird as it sounds, then it's probably true. And the jury, in my view, properly, if the defense lawyer is not able to crack her story, then I think they'll convict him and they'll be disgusted with her. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if the jury did say we think she should have been a co-defendant as opposed to getting hurt. Well, they can't write that on the guilty verdict. You know, they may think it. They may think it. Hey, Alexis Terescha with me,

RadarOnline.com investigative reporter. Alexis,ie here in the studio wants to know was kelsey's phone ever found and i believe that it was yeah and again it was the rodeo queen crystal lee is the one that threw it away yes she threw it away three states away and she was texting the guy she was pretending to be her texting it, pretending to be Kelsey texting him. So to kind of leave a fake trail of evidence to throw investigators off. What do you expect from her testimony, Alexis? She's set to testify for the state. I think that she will tell all of the details. I think she'll tell exactly how, what it looked like when she came there. I think she will describe how they cleaned the body

parts up. I think she'll describe how they put her into some sort of container or bags or whatnot and took her body out and then how she drove away and how she was in constant contact with Patrick. And he was telling her what to do from her own phone. And that's when she sent the text messages from Kelsey's phone. I think she's going to really, I think, I think this is, this could be a really good thing. She's going to explain every single detail of the crime. And I don't know why she all of a sudden flipped. I don't, you know, she was really involved. Because they were going to indict her as a co-defendant for murder, I guess.

Obviously, that's why she flipped. What do you mean they, what they did with body parts? What are you talking about, Alexis? Well, she says, you know says she left a tooth behind. I wasn't there. I don't know. This hasn't been said yet. I don't think she pulled that tooth out.

So I think that this woman was really, really badly hurt. Okay. I don't really count a tooth as being a body part, but you say tomato. I say tomato. Long story short, she's going to testify. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The connection between Barrett and Lee is Patrick Frazee. He was the now deceased Barrett's boyfriend and father to their one-year-old child,

and according to acquaintances, also dating Lee. Police believe Frazee killed Barrett, then hid her body on Thanksgiving Day. Barrett's cell phone was turned on after she died pinging a cell tower near Twin Falls where Lee lives. Lee is not in custody and Fox 31 can't find any criminal charges pending on public court documents. Yet her scheduled appearance in

Teller County indicates she's cut a plea deal. You're hearing our friends at 9 news denver to james shelnut uh 27 years metro major case swat officer now lawyer how powerful will her testimony be will or will it make the jury sick to their stomachs that she's walking i think it's going to be both um i think that the jury is going to be sick of her. They're not going to like her. But I do think that there is some credibility to her testimony as disgusting and vile as she is. You know, one thing is, you know, she led them to some evidence specifically in the house that they did not know of that has not been published yet. But the reports are that she led them to

corroborating evidence that they didn't previously know about. I don't know what that evidence is, but if that is the case, that could provide some level of benefit. Also, it's possible that she gave them some information about the first location that Kelsey's body was taken to, which is a place called Nash Farm or Nash Ranch. And I believe that she is the one, based off the reports that I've read, that actually gave the police that information. That information allowed the police to match Frazee's cell phone pings

to the cell phone pings of Kelsey. And when you look at those things and they can corroborate some of the evidence and some of the testimony that she's given, that may be just enough phone, getting rid of her keys and a gun, all to help Frazee cover his tracks. You know, I'll never understand it, Karen Stark. Why would a girlfriend so blindly go along with a killer boyfriend? Unfortunately, Nancy, the things that people do for love, I mean, this is pure desperation. She wanted his love. Obviously, she's not a saint. She's not a good person.

And so she went along and did whatever he wanted her to do, including cleaning up this horrible crime scene. And she's trying to paint herself as somebody, well, I left her tooth, I'm cooperating, but she's evil. Yeah, you know, I've got a feeling that's not in the DSMI, the Diagnostic Manual, she's evil, but I like it. Alexis Tereshak, RadarOnline.com. What do we know as it relates to what happened to kelsey's body and is there any hope it will ever be recovered police have been searching again they searched in a landfill near

the area near her house but they have not found it we don't know where it is and the girlfriend has not said where it is frazy hasn't said where it is they they had i guess some new evidence some clues that perhaps it was in a landfill, but so far it has not turned up. They have said they're not giving up. I thought that he burned it at his mother's farm where he lived. They just recently said they were looking at a landfill for it. They've never found it. Wow. Okay. Jump in. Yeah. You know, one of the compelling things about this case is that we are absent a body. And I think that's going to be one of the most difficult hurdles. If there is a hurdle in this case for the prosecution to overcome,

it has been alleged that, that he may have burned her body, but what if he had taken that body, cleaned up all evidence of the burning at, at the scene, it has, at his mom's place and then taking her to a landfill. I've worked several cases involving landfills, and Nancy, it's an absolute nightmare because as everything gets layered in there and it's this highly aerobic environment, that means that there's all these little critters at a microbial level that are just churning and digesting things over a period of time.

You've got heavy equipment that are running over things back and forth and back and forth. I think that it's going to be very difficult to recover anything of her if she is in fact in that landfill. And I think that that's going to be the biggest thing to overcome for these attorneys. Can they bring her to life in this courtroom? That's going to be key. Let me ask you something, Joe Scott. Why do you believe that she was burned? Well, it's just one of the indications that investigators have intimated at least. And I don't necessarily know that we're actually going to know if she was burned, but it would not be surprising. Listen, he's gone to great lengths to try to to get rid of anything. And I mean, anything that that would give indication that she still exists anywhere.

You know, and the fact that he did attempt to if he allegedly tried to burn her, then that would just go to this overall idea that he's trying to destroy her body. And then on top of it, go back and distribute her remains in this remote area, in this landfill. And listen, the area that they're in, Nancy, for folks that haven't been out there, it is vast. There's any number of places this body could have been deposited. And that's the chore that the police have been facing all of these months. It's my understanding that the girlfriend, Crystal Lee Kinney, is going to state that she

believes Patrick Frazee burned Kelsey's body, that he hid her body in his mother's barn in a black tote box for a period of time, a piece of evidence prosecutors have called vital to the investigation, that during the murder the little baby girl was in a room nearby, that Frazee went to Thanksgiving dinner after the murder that very same night. She also says that she drove to Colorado with rubber gloves, a sanitary suit used for painting and bleach to clean up the crime scene, picked up the keys to Vera's home, got rid of them, that when she got in the home, she was confronted with an unthinkable scene, that it was horrific, that she couldn't believe it had, quote, actually happened,

that she got rid of a bloody Bible, the sweater used to cover Barrett's eyes, wiped blood off surfaces all around the home, that she left a tooth and blood behind for investigators to find she pointed to blood spatters for the police that they had not been able to see before she took them to the barn where she said Frazee hid the body and not only that a cadaver dog picked up a scent there in the barn there was a piece of discolored hay where the girlfriend claims the container with kelsey's body in it was stored later she said that she went back to the barn that the killer fiance patrick frasey had put his fiance in a trough doused it with gasoline and that the fire was so large, Frazee's mother came outside to check and see what was happening.

We now believe that after that, according to the girlfriend, Patrick Frazee disposed of what was left of Vera's body in either a landfill, a dump, or a river. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome back, everybody. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Straight out to CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter Ellen Killoran. E.K., please, just in a nutshell, give me the timeline. Let me understand where the state's headed. Kelsey disappeared on November 22nd, which is Thanksgiving Day. We know that on that day, she went to a Safeway supermarket near her home in Woodland Park, Colorado.

She had her one-year-old daughter with her there. After that, she met with her fiancé, Patrick Frazee, and handed off her daughter. Two messages were sent from her cell phone on Monday, November 25th. One was to her fiancé, and another was to her employer, DOS Aviation, where she works as a flight instructor. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait. Ellen Killoran, CrimeOnline.com. Are you telling me she actually spoke verbally to her employer or texted or emailed? No, it was a text message sent from her phone.

Okay, now wait. I thought you said the last person she spoke to was the fian and the employer they were both text messages so she spoke to nobody then say that she spoke to nobody other than her mother that previously the last voice conversation that her mother had with her was on Thanksgiving Day and she saw her fiance in person later that day. So the last person she actually spoke with was her mother several days before she goes missing. Karen Smith, why do I always have to be the bad guy? Can you explain to Ellen why every word counts? It's very important. Having text messages rather than a vocal call.

I mean, come on. This is law enforcement and forensics 101. A text message can be sent by anybody who has access to that phone. If it's not passcode enforced, if you have a thumbprint that actually you have access to because you put your thumbprint on that phone when it was unlocked at some point, it's not that difficult anymore. So if it's only text messages, we don't know who sent them they're going to have to go into that phone and figure out where those text messages were actually sent from and that leads me to another forensic point hold on ashley wilcott i know you're chomping at the bit dr daniel bober forensic psychiatrist let's go into the mind of someone that would get rid of a mother

of a little baby girl okay get rid of her and then this is my question think to use her phone to cover their tracks and text the boyfriend the fiance text the employer and go oh I'm taking a week off that's a whole nother animal from somebody flying off the handle and getting mad at a bar and go you took my money BAM you're dead versus killing somebody disposing of the body and then making all these surreptitious texts and you know emails to cover your tracks that's a whole different way of thinking dr. Bober I agree Nancy it's on a whole it's on a whole different level but like your

previous guest said those text messages you know are going to be valuable because with text messages unlike with vocal communication you know there is going to be the amount of texting the words that were actually used and you know people that are familiar with her are going to know the way that she communicates and so there's I think a treasure trove of information potentially there in those text messages okay Ellen Kaloran um it's really important it really is crucial it's crucial when you're trying to establish a timeline which is where everything starts every investigation starts with a timeline and the

forensics around that timeline. So let's talk about these. The last time she was seen was how many days before she was reported missing? 10 days. 10 days. Okay. Just give me short, brief answers. So we got 10 days. Darn, that's a long time. Now into that 10 days, when did the texts come in number one and were they pinged and if so from where the text came in on November 25th which is three days after she was last seen okay three days after she went missing she texts fiance and employer is that correct Ellen that's right so both of them were texted in one day that's right interesting her phone was pinged in Idaho about 600 miles away from where she lived but authorities have said they can't confirm that she

was actually with her phone at the time but they can confirm that ping we know that the ping is correct yes this girl is no idiot she's a flight instructor isn't that right ellen calora she's a flight instructor that's right i mean this woman can get up in a plane and fly around and teach other people this is let's look at what we know and i may have to go back to the shrink on this one ashy wilcott a woman that's calling her mom for a recipe is not a woman who's going to leave her mom hanging out in the wind doesn't know where you are worried sick about you not not taking care of your baby girl no i mean you see the

dichotomy there right like i call my mother i call Miss Talbert from my little Methodist church in Macon, various people for recipes, okay? Because I love them and their knowledge means something to me. Those are the people you love that you call for recipes, Ashley. So here's the thing about the texts on the phone. We see it all. So regrettably, someone could easily think, oh, I'm just going to text this person and this person or text the boyfriend so they think she's fine and that gives me more time with her. 29-year-old Kelsey Barathnop's seen since she was recorded on surveillance cameras in a grocery store in Woodland Park, Colorado, with her baby daughter. Her fiancé tells that she dropped the baby off after that grocery store trip, and he has not seen or heard from her since.

Straight out to Ellen Kaloran, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. Ellen, why don't you tell me about the fiancé, because that is where every timeline starts, the last time someone was seen or spoken to verbally, not by text or email. Tell me about the fiance. That's right. He was the last person to see her, and we know that he was not the person who contacted police. His lawyer, and he's been with her daughter. His lawyer released a statement and says that he did give a DNA swab of his mouth.

He did hand over his phone, but he did not attend a press conference where her mother did attend and spoke and begged for her daughter's return. His lawyer claims that Patrick didn't know about the press conference until an hour before it began. Otherwise, he would have been there. Kelsey Barrett's phone pinged about 700 miles away from where she was last seen three days later. Now, does that make sense to you, Karen Smith, forensics expert, 700 miles in three days? Does that make sense? It can be done. Well, sure, it can be done, but none of it makes sense to me, Nancy. First of all, if my fiance had gone missing i would be freaking out after three hours first of all 10 days 10 days she was reported missing 10 days

later and the cell phone ping 700 miles away are you kidding me i would be all over the press i would be in front of every camera that would put my face on television i would be talking to everyone and anyone if I had nothing to do with this 10 days is a long time to pass Ashley Wilcott I'm looking at the video right now she comes in the front of the grocery store she's carrying the baby in a car seat oh it looks just like the ones I would carry the twins in double-fisted she puts the car seat in the front of a cart with the baby facing her, you know, that top area. And then she drives off. She's got on a coat. Her hair's back in a bun.

The baby's all bundled up. All right. Now, the brother, Clint Bereth, said that he realized she was missing, and he goes to her home. And what the brother, Clint Bereth, says is the only thing missing from the home was her pocketbook. Her luggage, her makeup, all untouched, and her two vehicles are still at the home. Ellen Kaloran, you left that little detail out. Both her cars are at the house. Her luggage, her makeup, all that.

The only thing missing is her pocketbook, which I'd like to point out she had with her when she was at the grocery store. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.