Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - KILLER-HUBBY CHRIS WATTS Whines Behind Bars over NetFlix SHOCK-DOC

Episode Date: October 8, 2020

The Netflix new documentary, "American Murder: The Family Next Door," is currently the most-viewed title on streaming site. The "star" Chris Watts has not seen it, since he's behind bars for life, but he is said to be upset by its release. Reportedly he's concerned that the private communications with his wife and mistress are in the open for all to read.Joining Nancy Grace today: Cheryln Cadle - Author of "Letters from Christopher and the upcoming book "The Murders of Christopher Watts" Ashley Willcott - Judge and trial attorney, Anchor on Court TV, www.ashleywillcott.com Psych - Caryn Stark NYC Psychologist, www.carynstark.com Bobby Chacon - Former Special Agent FBI, screenwriter on "Criminal Minds"  Joseph Scott Morgan - Professor of Forensics Jacksonville State University, Author, "Blood Beneath My Feet" Dillon Thomas, CBS 4 Denver Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. He claimed he didn't know what happened to his pregnant wife, Shanann, or their two little children. He claimed nothing at all was wrong. Well, actually, he murdered all three of them, four if you count the unborn baby, Nico. But now we learn in the last hours, killer dad Chris Watts, behind bars right now for four murders, is actually concerned about what the public will think about him, how he is being portrayed in the Netflix new documentary, American Murder. Now, that really takes the cake.

I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. First of all, is the Netflix documentary right or wrong? Does it skew one way or the other? And why is Watts so worried about his image and how he is being portrayed? Is it more me, me, me, me, me, me by Chris Watts? Take a listen to this. My name's Nicole and I'm calling because I'm concerned about a friend of mine. I dropped her off at her house at 2 in the morning last night and I haven't been able to get a hold of her this morning.

I've gone to her house and her car is there. She won't answer phone calls. She won't answer text messages. What's your name? Shanann Watt. Hey, guys. My name is Shanann. I just want you to know a little bit of my story.

I went through one of the darkest times of my life. And then I met Chris. And he's the best thing that has ever happened to me. How you doing? How's it going? There was no note or anything. I don't know what to do right now. Those words from Shanann Watts we know now dead, along with all three of her children, have an eerie echo.

He's the best thing that ever happened to me. That was from the American Murder, The Family Next Door on Netflix, which has really dropped a lot of bombshells. Remember, Chris Watts pled guilty. We never got all the information, but now we are. I want you to take a listen to a tiny bit more of that Netflix trailer. I've done everything in my heart to make my family's life better. Don't eat turtles. Don't eat turtles. I don't eat good turtles. I think about like, did I cause this? Did I make her feel like she needs to leave?

She said things were bad and that she didn't know what was going on with Chris. I'm very sick. This is completely unlike her. My mom just never thought she was good enough. Do you have any idea if he thought his wife had a boyfriend? Maybe she sat there and thought about it. That's why you're really staying here right now. If he doesn't love me, maybe I should just go. Did she accuse you of anything?

I tortured him. I rejected him. Did you tell her Shanann's disappearance? We're not promised tomorrow. We're not promised anything. There's only one person in this room that knows what the truth is. And in about five minutes, there's going to be two of us. You know what struck me in part of that trailer is Chris Watts,

sounding like he's trying to cry, saying, my mom never thought Shanann was good enough for me. Man, how the tables have turned. Let me introduce to you our all-star panel with some very special guests. Ashley Wilcottcott judge and trial lawyer anchor court tv at ashleywilcott.com new york psychologist karen stark at karenstark.com joining us from manhattan bobby chicone former special agent with the fbi now screenwriter for criminal minds professor of forensics jacksville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

now the star of a brand new series, Poisonous Liaisons, on the True Crime Network. Special guests joining us, CBS4 reporter from Denver, Dylan Thomas, and Sherilyn Cato, the author of Letters from Christopher, The Tragic Confession of the Watts Family Murders, and upcoming book, The Murders of Christopher Watts. She corresponded with Watts behind bars, talked with him many, many times. So, first of all to you, Sherilyn Cato, what do you make of the Netflix documentary? I think that the Netflix documentary was well done in the sense that they put everything together that's kind of out there that most people know.

They did miss a very, very big part of what happened. And that is the things that Christopher wrote me in his letters as to what happened that morning. And so that leaves a little bit of a desire to wish that that was out there more, which it is in my new book coming out, and you will see the letters that he wrote with your own eyes because it'll be in the book and but it's horrible how he confesses nonchalantly about what he did just like you know walking to the grocery store so the Netflix was good I think it was an honor to Shanann as far as um right things he's been said to make her look bad which is, you just said something that really struck me.

Sherilyn Cato, guys, author of Letters from Christopher and an upcoming book, The Murders of Christopher Watts. The way he was so nonchalant about the whole thing. It also struck me in a very bad way. My mom never thought she was good enough. You know, I'm so blessed. I've known my husband, David, since my fiance was murdered when I was in college. And all those years, I never had a single argument with his mother or father. They accepted me just the way I am, warts and all, and they never complained. Right now, we are getting intel from behind bars that Chris Watts hates knowing the documentary is out there,

and he hates the way he is being portrayed. It's amazing to me that it's still all about him, but where did it all start? Take a listen to our friend at ABC, Amy Robach. Nicole Atkinson has fear, not fun on her mind. Her friend Shanann Watts is missing. What was your first feeling in your stomach and your gut that something was wrong? She didn't text me. I tried calling.

She didn't answer, which is really odd because she texts me every morning. But on this morning, no communication from the pregnant Shanann. We also learned that she was concerned because both girls' car seats would have been, were in the car and the car was in the garage. Listen to this. Nicole goes to Shanann's OBGYN where she knows she had an appointment, but Shanann is a no-show. Your friend, Shanann, who was so excited about having this third baby, she wouldn't have missed that doctor's appointment. And then you knew something was really wrong.

That's right. She was so thrilled about the new baby, baby Nico coming, hoping that it would somehow miraculously mend their marriage. Isn't it true to Dylan Thomas, CBS4 Denver, that Shanann knew something was wrong? It was all very clear when she went out to North Carolina to visit her family and he wasn't engaging with her on the phone or via text like she was expecting. And they even had a gender reveal coming up that she ended up canceling because she just wasn't getting the vibes back that she was expecting from Chris, someone who should have been excited about having his very first child.

You just told me something I didn't know, Dylan Thomas. She actually canceled her gender reveal party. You know, Karen Stark, you were with me from the get-go when I got pregnant. It was a miracle. We kept it a secret until the second trimester. And now the big thing is gender reveal parties. That tells me a lot. She canceled her gender reveal? So her instincts were telling her, Nancy, that something was wrong. There's no doubt about it. And what she wanted was that

relationship to continue. So although she canceled it, she kept trying to get him to be interested in her again. And she did feel that he was involved with somebody else. People know. At some level, she knew something was horribly wrong, but obviously could not predict how wrong things would go. In the last hours, we take a long, hard look at a brand new documentary from Netflix called American Murder. It's all about Chris Watts. And what is amazing to me, it's really well done. And I have my issues with Netflix Netflix especially about cuties that sexually depict young girls but this documentary really is revealing

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We're talking about the fact that Chris Watts, after everything, is sitting behind bars stewing about the way his image is being portrayed to the public by Netflix. Take a listen with all of this going on. What he, Chris Watts, tells police when her best friend says something is wrong she's missing chris tells police he saw his wife early that morning before he left for work last time i talked to her was this morning she said she's going to take the kids to a friend's house and she asked where she was going to be and then i've texted her today and never heard anything. The house appears

neat and orderly, nothing out of place or rummaged through. We all ran through the house kind of looking for her. You checked upstairs, she's not there. It was, it was odd, the things that you did see. It didn't make sense to me. Shanann's purse and wallet on the counter, wedding ring on the nightstand, and unmade beds. So does she normally make the beds, the kids' beds? No. And their beds would have definitely been made? Yes. And her sheets wouldn't have been stripped off the bed?

No, they wouldn't have. Or even if they had, it wouldn't have been in the manner that they were. To Bobby Chacon, former special agent, FBI screenwriter, criminal rhymes, criminal minds. Bobby Chacon, that's what we call routine evidence. And I don't mean SOP evidence, you know, the normal evidence. I mean evidence of routine. Bobby, I've told you, we have two guinea pigs, a pound puppy and a pound cat, and my grandmother and my mother living with us. Every morning by 7.05, all the beds are made and

the guinea pigs have been cleaned out and fed by me. It is not pretty, but it's done every morning like clockwork. My point is just by those beds being unmade, that is significant. Now, a defense attorney may say no, but it is. It absolutely is, Nancy, especially to investigators, because what you just described in your own household, we all have that, even if we don't know it. We have certain routines we carry out every single day. It's human nature. And one of the things investigators do is, especially in a missing persons case in the early hours, is did something happen that departed from this routine? So the first thing you have to do is establish that routine. You talk to friends.

You talk to family. And then you see whether your physical evidence of the crime scene departs in any way from that normal routine. And that's your first clue that something is amiss, that she didn't just leave because now she didn't do things that she does every single day. And so that's a very, very important discovery by investigators. You know, Ashley Wilcott, with her being pregnant, working a full-time job, bringing in a pretty good salary and all sorts of perks, two children, pet, home, husband, she's worried about cheating. To keep all those balls up in the air, you pretty much have to have a routine or the wheels start falling off. Absolutely. Not only do you likely have a routine, you also could be type

A to be able to keep all those balls in the air. One of the things that really disturbed me that I saw on the Netflix documentary, I too thought it was really, really well done. I don't really care what Chris Watts thinks about it because he's been convicted. So whatever, I'm not concerned with that piece. But I will say this, one of the comments she made in one of her texts was something to the effect of, I never really thought how it made him feel that I do all of these things and I like things a certain way. And all I want to say to any victims out there is never, ever, ever think that. Be proud of your ability to multitask, to have a routine, to take care of that many things at once. Yeah, I'm curious about what you just said, how somehow she was

taking it upon herself because she did so much and shouldered so much of the responsibility at home and worked. She's worried about how that makes him feel. I mean, you know, here's a funny story. Joe Scott Morgan, you've raised children, worked the whole time. Early on when my children were like three years old, that we came, the three of us came running in. And before I could even get into the den, they ran back to me and went, mom, dad is lounging. Because that's rule number one. Nobody chillax until the work is done. And when we, they saw their dad just sitting there on his iPad,

oh, that, that was caused to raise alarm. And apparently Shanann was worried about how Watts felt because she showed her so much responsibility. Yeah, she comes off, you know, I have to say, you know, cause I've been following this case since the, since the beginning, she comes off as a real people pleaser that she wanted to create this environment, this loving home for her family, and also for Watts himself, to make him feel secure at home. You know, goodness gracious, Nancy, she's given this man three children. She's just imparted herself in totality to him. And it's just the tragic outcome of this is absolutely heartbreaking. To me, it makes it even worse that she was trying so hard to please him.

To Sherilyn Cato, author of Letters from Christopher, a Tragic Confession of the Watts Family Murders, and a brand new book about to come out, The Murders of Christopher Watts, I noticed when I saw the video of their home that it looked like it was out of a home magazine. Every room was staged beautifully. And I know she did all that. Did he not notice any of that? Well, what's really funny is he takes credit for that.

From the beginning, when I went to the prison and spoke with him, and from the beginning, when his mother called me, they took all of the credit for Christopher for keeping the house the way that it was. But Shanann was a perfectionist. A man doesn't go into a pantry and put every little thing where it belongs and label it and make everything so neat. Even the detectives as they were walking to the house had to comment on the house was abnormally organized and clean. So he takes credit for that, which absolutely blows my mind that this woman worked as hard as she worked on her family. And then he would take credit for all the things that were done in the house, taking care of the children, everything running as smoothly as it ran. Sherilyn, you're probably in the best position of all of us to know.

I mean, I'll tell you what really struck me. extra bedroom and I fixed it up and I went to pier one and got these aquamarine glass lamps. I noticed in her home, one of her rooms had the same lamps and I immediately imagined her shopping to pull the room together. Her room, of course, looked perfect. But is it true? Did he do all that? I think he helped them, mainly when she was on the phone or on a live YouTube or Facebook and she needed the house to be kind of quiet so that she could talk to her people. I think he helped her then. I think he was one that maybe pitched in, helped with the dishes a little bit, maybe helped bathe the children. But of course, he didn't do everything. But see, this goes back from the beginning. When this first happened, he wanted everyone to think

he was such a good person. And if you remember, person after person that they were acquaintances with said, oh, Christopher, that's a nice oh Christopher I've never met such a nice guy well if you could take him and separate him completely from what happened he seems like a very nice guy I guess what all those women that's what all those women thought that he was meeting online and hooking up with in hotels what a great guy uh guys is this when everything started to go sideways? Take a listen to Shanann's own Facebook video. Guess what, girls? Mommy has a baby in her belly.

A baby! Are you guys excited? Yeah! Yes? Are you really excited? Oh, my goodness. Come give me a hug. Oh.

I love you, girl. I got the baby a hug. You want to give the baby a hug? I love you, Bella. And of course, when she tells her husband, he's pretty underwhelmed. Guys, we were talking a brand new documentary on Netflix. It's called American Murderer. Is it accurate?

Is it real? Is it thorough? And I'm astounded by Christopher Watts' reaction behind bars that it's all about him, how he is being betrayed by Netflix. You know, I want you to take a listen. Now, listen carefully because it's kind of hard to hear. This is Chris Watts in his own words. I wonder if that last time with Shanann having sex had somewhat of a role in you thinking, like a trigger? I gotta do something. I gotta say something. We gotta talk. Something's gotta change. Did that get it? Yeah, it felt like it was maybe like a trigger point or something like you hit the push button on a bomb and it just blows up.

Something in my head was just like something was hurting me. Just like I had to say something. There you hear Chris Watts telling investigators it's possible having sex with Shanann just before he murdered her was a, quote, trigger point to the murder. He says he then discussed their relationship with her and wanted, he wanted to cancel a planned trip they were making to Aspen. Okay, let's just drink that in for one moment. Ashley Wilcott, that doesn't sound, ring true to me that he has sex with Shanann who's heavily pregnant. And then that's when he decides, hey, I want to break up. Yeah, something doesn't ring true, although I will suggest this. There are many people out there that sex is sex, and that's what they're concerned with, and then they can commit a crime right after.

So with this person, with Chris Watts, honestly, Nancy, I may not put it past him. Dylan Thomas, CBS4 Denver reporter. How was it that he framed that? It's my understanding he has sex with Shanann Watts. She's worked into the night. She got a ride home with her friend from the airport from the work job, got there around 2 a.m. And then what exactly happens, Dylan?

Nancy, from what he tells us is that he had a small conversation with her, a light argument, that then they eventually went to sleep. And then he woke her up in the middle of the night and they had sex. And that's where things kind of get jumbled up because he claims he got on top of her and the argument became heated. And then he began to attack her. Yet at the same time, she didn't fight back. He doesn't have any bruises on his arms. He doesn't have any of her skin under his nails or vice versa. And he claims she just laid there and looked at him while he strangled her.

And he claims, even citing the Bible at the time, that he was wondering if she was laying there looking at him saying, forgive him, God, because he doesn't know what he's doing. A reference to Luke in the Bible. So there's a lot of confusion there as to why wouldn't someone fight back in that situation when their husband's laying on top of them, taking their life right from them? You know, this is what I've noticed. of a book about Christopher Watts, with every defendant that gives a statement, it all starts getting jumbled up as Dylan Thomas just described CBS4 Denver Reporter, when they're lying. Because they're trying to make their lie fit a little bit with reality. What guy gets on top of the woman and argues with her? I mean, where she's lying on the bed and he's sitting on top of her and that's how you have an argument? That sounds

more like a murder to me. Nancy, he did not get on top of her, or at least the story he told, tells me in his letter, um, he was actually laying next to her when he murdered her and this was planned. Um, you can see in his own words where he tells me that he. Put the girls to bed that night and thought to himself, this is the last night I'm going to have to tuck my girls in. And then he murdered the girls first and then went into the bedroom where Shanann was at and an argument ensued. This is his words. So he tells me he squeezed her juggler things. He knew somehow how to do that so that he could just cut off

the blood flow. And I'll tell you, I'm almost positive she was drugged again because he gave her oxycodone at her parents' house to try to cause her to miscarry. It didn't work. And he had more of the drug. And I believe that night he gave her more oxycodone to wipe her out. Shanann was a tenacious woman. She did not seem to me like the type of woman that would have just laid there and let him murder her unless she was incapacitated where she could not help it. Well, you know, what you're saying that he told you, Sherilyn Cato, is completely bass-ackwards to what he told cops.

Listen to Chris Watts speaking about the moment he murdered Shanann. I told her I didn't love her anymore. That's what happened. What happened? about the moment he murdered Shanann. Why did you get on her like that? I just, when we got off, when we got on the bed, that's just when I got on. Is that so she would listen to you? I felt like she could probably listen to me just laying beside her, but I got on top of her. And every time I think about it, I'm just like, did I know I was going to do that before I got on top of her? I don't know. Really? That's an interesting thought, Chris.

You don't know what you did. Just like, you know, everything that happened that morning, I just don't know. I try to go back in my head. I'm just like, I didn't want to do this, but I did it. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, a new documentary out, and Chris Watts behind bars. Now, according to him, what he tells police is that he takes her dead body with the girls in the car and then murders the girls at the oil fields of Anadarko one at a time and shoves them down the oil containers. The reason I'm telling you this, because I want you to analyze it. But also, remember, Dylan Thomas, CBS 4, remember when the cops got there to his home?

He did not want the cops involved. But the friend called the cops. Long story short, he was saying, gee, I don't know what to do. And tried to come up with a story. This is after he had just put the girls down these oil containers. Dylan, remember what he was telling cops when they got there? Yeah, he ran up the driveway after walking out of his vehicle, shook the officer's hand, opened the garage and said he hadn't heard from his family.

He thought they were going to be at a play date. And what's really odd is for somebody whose entire family is missing, he opens the garage and he checks the car first as if they would be sitting in the car just waiting for him to come home. And then after that, he goes in the house and in like a minute or so period, not once do you hear him call out for his family

as if he knows they're not there. He knows where they are. And then throughout the whole time while her friends are walking through looking in the house for her, he's just kind of walking around, texting people, not calling frantically, knowing they're not here, they're not coming home. So, Joe Scott Morgan, what happened to the girls? and attempted to suffocate these children in the bed and that he was unsuccessful in accomplishing this and that even the children demonstrated some trauma to their faces.

My contention all along was that he had actually killed Shanann in the home, placed her body in the car along with the children or in this truck and drove them out there where he killed them on sight at the scene. And, you know, and following this, as he as he had time to kill these kids, he needed to make quick work of them. Remember, Nancy, remember the thief hatch, the infamous thief hatch on top of these oil containers? He dumped each child's body through this thief hatch on these containers and stuffed them down. That gave him enough time at the scene to go out and dig this shallow grave, which was immediately adjacent to these containers in this very,

very hard soil out there. This was not easy going, but he showed up with all of the tools at that time in order to accomplish that task. Guys, with all this in mind, take a listen to our cut 52. Take a listen. A source tells people that Chris Watts, the man who murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters, is aware of the explosive new Netflix documentary about his infamous case and says that it brings back a lot of shame for him. The source says Watts will probably never see the documentary entitled American Murder, The Family Next Door, adding, quote, he's curious about it, but he hates even knowing that his texts

are out there for the public to read. It brings back awful memories of 2018 for him. The documentary is now streaming on Netflix, and it includes rarely seen text messages and letters exchanged between Watts and his wife Shanann. Watts strangled Shanann on August 13, 2018 in their Colorado home. He then drove her body to a job site at the oil company where he worked. After disposing of his wife's body, he then smothered his daughters, four-year-old Bella and three-year-old Celeste. According to authorities, Watts went on his murderous spree because he was having an affair with a co-worker who thought he was already separated. Once again, Watts says he is being, quote, triggered this time by the documentary because his life is available for public consumption.

But in my mind, I'm not surprised at all. Take a listen to what he said in his confession. I look outside every day and I'm like, what could we be doing right now? You know, right now I'd have a five-year-old, a three-year-old, and it might be a one-month-old son. And it'd be a boy. And it's like, right now it's just me. He is actually behind bars whining that he's alone. That it's just, it's quote, it's just me now.

Me, me, me, me. I mean, what do you call that, Karen Stark? Don't say he's insane. Do not even fix your mouth, Karen Stark. Don't do that to me. You'll just push me over the edge what is that i mean he murdered them in a horrible fashion you heard joe scott morgan and now he's sad because it's just him and he's a narcissist nancy everything is about him and he also has no conscience, no feelings, even when he describes.

I mean, think about that. If it's true that he tried to smother his little girls, his very young girls, and they came into the room and were able to revive and he sees them bruised and still he puts them in the car. They know that something terrible is happening and he's able to kill them and one of them says no daddy no daddy and he said very calmly you know that is somebody who cannot feel has no conscience and. What is the name of it? What, narcissism? He's a narcissist and a psychopath. He's able to commit murder without having second thoughts about it. Bobby Chacon, you hear Karen Starr, New York psychologist, talking.

Isn't it true? Because I've seen it, and this is anecdotal, that so many criminal defendants, they don't feel the pain of other people. They just sit there in court watching testimony, looking at crime scene photos of a gruesome murder. It means nothing to them what these people have been through at their hands. That's right. And we often see that in career criminals and in people that have victimized people over and over and over again. They can do that, you know, if they're even with muggers or obviously over and over again. In a case like this, where he annihilates his entire family and young children, I mean, it's a single event, but it shows you that he can do that. And his behavior, both immediately afterwards and now

long-term afterwards, shows you that he has no feeling and no caring and no empathy for anyone in this situation other than himself. And it's all like, like the doc said, it's all about him. And so, yes, with these repeat offenders or these single offenders that can do something so evil to, to people they supposedly love, you find that, that, that, that lack of, of, of emotion, lack of feeling, lack of contact connection with another human being you couldn't if you had any kind of connection with that person you couldn't have carried out murders like this you know dylan thomas oh jump in joe scott yeah kind of dovetailing with what bobby was just saying and karen as well reflect back to what cheryl lynn had mentioned uh just

a while ago uh relative to this choking event that took place. You know, there is there is one comment that has been made relative to what Watts had done. He claims that he witnessed Shanann's eyes filled with blood. And, you know, this this comes about, you know, she had mentioned that he had choked her per the jugular vein. Now that's kind of, you know, whatever. He claims that he knows where that is. That's all fine and good. I didn't know he was an anatomist. But the reality is this. He recalled that, Nancy. That goes to tell you how he can kind of diminish her. He's choking her to the point, and this is real, he's choking her to the point where the blood is backing up. How many times have we talked about particular images in the eyes where we have an asphyxial

death? That's what he's specifically talking about. He remembers this. I think he's actually kind of longing for this. He's seeing this as kind of a completion of what he was involved in to get rid of her. To Dylan Thomas, CBS4 Denver, piggybacking on what Joe Scott just said, the dichotomy of what he did with what we're seeing in the Netflix documentary, because they tell in the True Crime Doc, the story through a lot of social media posts and texts. For instance, on the day Watts killed pregnant Shanann and their two daughters, they were texting that morning about what do they want from the grocery and dinner plans. She writes, what kind of veggies do you want with dinner tonight? He says broccoli, green beans.

And then just later on, he's doing fake texts about, can you call me please? Right after he strangled and dumped, strangled her and dumped her body yeah and he's seen on surveillance video at a local gas station buying breakfast burritos moments after he just murdered his entire family it's fascinating to follow the timeline based off their social media and their texts alone even following the deaths where he was even trying to send out these fake texts to his uh realtor saying he wants to put up the house for sale he's calling the children's school, telling them that they're not going to be coming back. He's taking them out of that. He's disenrolling them. And as if the public would just like, all right, they're

gone. That's okay. So the phone timelines really tell a lot. And real quick on the social media standpoint, I've formed a relationship with the family's lawyer, the Rusick family's lawyer, that's Shanann's family. And they say to this day, a lot of people are still cyber bullying them because they believe Shanann actually committed some of the murders with the two young girls based off the original story that Chris told. Once again, he's on his fourth or fifth story now as to what happened. But what the fact is, people around the world are fighting with him and bullying her family. You know who I blame for that? I blame the environment. In this case, Sherilyn Cato, author of Letters from Christopher, at the very beginning, his family, the mom, according to him,

didn't think Shanann was good enough. Throughout, they blamed Shanann all along. And I think that they still project that he killed Shanann because he saw her killing the children. How can they still believe that? Well, they definitely do believe that still. And there's a recent video out there where he is on the phone from the prison talking to a pastor and saying that he was coerced into his confession but it just amazes me the letters that i have the things that he says uh even talking about the morning of the murders how he how he had to shove of especially Bella, through this eight-inch hole. I mean, think of an eight-inch pizza or a dinner plate.

It's not very big to shove a four-year-old girl down there. And as he was pulling away from the murder, what went to his mind was, oh, did I put Dieter in the cage before I left the hall? I mean, what does that tell you about someone like that? There's no conscience. So of course, he can separate himself from what happened and try to make it look like Shanann did this. And I think he almost believes his own lies. Sherilyn, is he still in touch with any of his girlfriends or mistresses? Yes. Okay. You know what? The image he portrays to his lovers, his girlfriends, his family,

all of that is because he told police and the physical evidence. Oh, yeah. The American murder, an incredible piece of work by Netflix that really lays Chris Watts bare as he still frets behind bars about how it makes him look. Rot in hell, Watts. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.