Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Killers Amongst Us: Beautiful Blonde Mom Breaks into Politics, MURDERED! (part 4)

Episode Date: December 2, 2020

Linda Collins-Smith's family speaks out after her body is found. Her son says his last memory of his mother is her hair moving because of the number of maggots on her body. But who killed the former lawmaker? An investigation turns up a suspect close to home. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Hi guys, Nancy Grace here. Welcome back to Killers Amongst Us, a production of iHeartMedia and Crime Online. As we watch celebrities and politicians on TV, listen to them on radio, do you ever wonder, don't they make enemies in this line of business? Short answer, yes. I'm Nancy Grace. Thanks for being with us for Killers Amongst Us.

Believe it or not, killers even walk in the halls of government. Linda Collins-Smith, beautiful blonde, big blue eyes, sets politics on fire in the middle of an acrimonious divorce. Tragedy strikes. Listen. I was the one that found my mother's body on June 4th, 2019, at her home. She was lying face down, wrapped in one of my old comforters, and shoved underneath a tar 2019 at her home. She was lying face down, wrapped one of my old

comforters and shoved underneath the tarp in her driveway. I will never not be able to see that picture burning in my brain. The smell of a dead body laying outside wrapped up in that tarp for approximately a week in the Arkansas summer. The swarm of flies flew out and surrounded me. The sight of her white blonde hair moving because the number of maggots crawling on her scalp. The last memory of her that I have was of me making a 911 call and trying not to vomit at the sight and smell of my mother's body. That is Linda Collins Smith, son of Butch, speaking with me, an all-star panel. Ken Yang, former press secretary. Senator Missy Irvin, Arkansas State Senator, longtime

friends of Linda Collins. Judge, trial lawyer, Court TV anchor Ashley Wilcott. Dr. Angela Arnold, psychiatrist out of Atlanta. Professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University, Joseph Scott Morgan. Private Eye, Derek Ellington. And CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter, Levi Page. Levi, to hear Butch speaking about finding his mother is excruciating. What did the neighbors say they heard or saw? Yeah, so there were a lot of rumors going around Nancy that there was actually that she was a gunshot victim, that she had been shot. But that later turned out not to be true. She was stabbed multiple times. And what led to the

finding of her body is May 28th was the last time she posted on social media. Her friends and family were reaching out to her. They couldn't get a hold of her. And it's June 4th. After days of not being able to get a hold of her, they go and find the body. And I'm talking about her son and her father. And that 911 call is very emotional with her son. And when the body was discovered and law enforcement started investigating this case, you know, the one place that they started was her ex-husband, because in

every case that we cover, Nancy, you look at how was the relationship with the husband or the ex-husband. And if it was bitter, if they were going through a tough, bitter divorce, that means that law enforcement is going to zero in on that to see what they can find out. Well, it's my understanding it didn't take too long, under an hour, I've been told, before the judge, as he is often still called, was taken in for questioning. To ask you, Wilcott, why? Why wouldn't you take the husband in for questioning? Nancy, you're always going to do that. Now, first of all, why?

Because often people are killed by someone close to them. And second, in this case, let's not forget, this is a husband who's no longer on the bench because of something. We suspect accessing divorce documents and making changes to them. So it was acrimonious. It is well documented that they had a very long, contingent divorce. He'd be at the top of my list. You know, it's really statistics. You can look and you see Joe Scott Morgan, you're a death investigator, that so often we start with a husband and there's a very good reason for that.

Yeah, you got that right, Nancy. You know, media would have us believe that it's going to happen in some dark alley. Some stranger is going to come up and kill us. Listen, statistically, you're more at risk with the person that you're in bed with than you are some stranger coming up to kill you. I got to tell you, it's going to be that circle of intimates, those people that surround you. And as investigators, that's why we target those individuals to begin with, with the investigation, who had motive, means, opportunity, access, all of these things go into this recipe that we create when we're trying to investigate a homicide. I'm sure you all remember the Jodi Arias murder case where Jodi Arias stabbed her lover, Travis Alexander, we think 29 times, and then shot him in the head. It was anger.

Stabbings, I call them to juries, sweetheart murders. It certainly doesn't mean you're being sweet to the victim, but you have to be up close and personal to the victim to stab them. And in this case, Joe Scott Morgan, we learn Linda Collins was not shot by a sniper or someone at 50 feet. She was stabbed multiple times, Joe Scott. Yeah, she was. And that makes this all the more intimate, Nancy. You know, listen, it's one thing.

You mentioned the word sniper just a second ago. It's one thing to shoot some people at range, OK, say 10 feet away from you. But when you can be in that person's face, you can actually sense their last breath blown out upon your body as you're driving a knife into their chest. That's something completely different. That goes to a whole nother level of rage, anger. And it's a bloody mess, Nancy. Make no mistake about this. If we're looking at the forensics of this, wherever this occurred, there would be blood evidence here. To Ken Yang, the former press secretary for Linda Collins, now the spokesperson for Collins' family. When you first learned that Linda was the body, it was Linda wrapped in carpet, covered in a tarp at the end of her driveway?

What did you think? You know, my initial thought is who could have done this to Linda? You know, they live in a relatively safe, small community. Be it Linda had enemies, but you just never think that this would happen to someone that you know. You know, I personally worked for their prosecutor's attorney's office in my home county for five years.

So I've seen things like this. And, you know, I just couldn't believe it because I had just been texting with Linda, you know, not too long ago. How did you learn, Ken, how did you learn that it was in fact Linda's body? You know, I had received several text messages that a body had been found at her house. And, you know, I hadn't worked for Linda for a few years, but, you know, the last thing that she had sent out still had my name on it.

And so people were contacting me. And, you know, I believe that the son and the daughter reached out to me about a day or so later asking me if I would officially represent them to inoculate them from the media. And so, you know, I had no reason not to believe the son, to believe Butch, who had found them. And, you know, you had alluded to, you know, that he had said he'll never be able to, you know, get that picture. He may not be able to see that picture burn into his brain and if i may you know the quote continues from butch this is what the murderer left for the son and the father to find the smell of the dead body quote the smell of the dead body laying outside wrapped up and under a tarp for approximately a week in hot

Arkansas summer was nausea inducing in it of itself the storm of flies that flew out surrounded me the sight of her white blonde hair moving because of the number of maggots crawling on her that's the last memory of her that I will have as I was making that 911 call. Oh, Ken. Oh, Ken. You know, to you, Dr. Angela Arnold, psychiatrist, he is an adult, that's true, but even an adult child, to see the one that has loved them the most in this world, their mother in this condition, I mean, and this condition. I mean, I still, to this day, remember the moment my dad passed away. I'm glad I was with him,

but that moment is forever in my mind, much less what this son had to go through, Angela. I can't even imagine it. And he's definitely going to need some treatment for that because that could cause a post-traumatic stress disorder for him. I mean, even when I was reading about it, and I'm sure that other people felt the same way, it was very difficult to read about, especially the part about the maggots making her hair move, which probably means her face had been eaten away at this point. It's so hard to take it in. Yes. And for that to be the last vision of his mother, I don't know how he's ever going to be able to wipe that memory from his mind. Law enforcement now with the task of determining who murdered Linda Collins Smith.

Of course, the judge, her husband, in the middle of an acrimonious divorce, is taken in. But then think of all the hours of investigation to Senator Missy Irvin, Arkansas State Senator and dear friend of Linda Collins. All the enemies, all the death threats, all the insults and criticisms have to be sifted through because of her position as an elected politician. Yes, Nancy. You know, when I first heard it and of course, I mean, I really in my heart knew it was probably Linda because I represented Pocahontas and Randolph County when I first was elected with Linda. She was in the House of Representatives and I was in the Senate. So that's how I met her was on the campaign trail. So we were together all the time. And, you know, it was a, it's a beautiful town. The people are very gracious and wonderful, quiet town. And so, you know, when you hear this, my immediate reaction was, this was a crime of passion. And it's a crime of, of, of intimacy and a crime of passion. And of course,

Butch knew, he knows the essence of his mother. And so, you know, we knew, I knew right away, I think that was Linda, but you do have enemies and you have to question. I've, you know, people are attracted to us as politicians for various reasons because they admire qualities about us or that we say things that they want to say, but they can't say them or they don't feel bold enough to say them. So we become that and there becomes an attraction, I think, to people in our positions and you gather friendships, but you sometimes don't know these people. You know, I was at a campaign event one time and took a picture with a man who came up to me and said, I love you, Senator Irvin. You're great. I just appreciate what you do. Can I take a picture with you? And I'm going to vote for you. And I was like, great. Thank you so much. An hour later, the Cleburne County Sheriff's Department called me because he posted it on Facebook and said, Senator Irvin, you are in a picture with a level four sex offender.

Oh, dear Lord. And so, you know, it just shocks you. But that happens and it happens quite frequently. So, you know, and you don't know who these people are. You don't know what their backgrounds are. You don't know if you can trust them or not but you know they become they befriend you you are befriended so and so when i heard this it was a crime of passion so she's really surrounded by people she doesn't know or doesn't know their motives to derrick ellington you've got the

husband in the middle of a divorce you You've got all the nuts that she has met in her political career. You've got her running businesses. And not only that, you've got her traveling back and forth and back and forth on long haul treks to the Capitol in Little Rock many, many times. For all we know, someone could have easily followed her from one of the motels from Little Rock, and very simply just broken in and tried to rape her and killed her. And at this point, her body's so decomposed, you may never know that answer. Derry Ellington, there are many, many possibilities. Well, Nancy, what we say now in this day and age, every crime is a computer crime.

And we credit law enforcement for having a lot of resources at their disposal to quickly go down the list of suspects. But things like, you know, cell phone GPS data, text messages, location data, emails, law enforcement has the ability to gather all that together very quickly. And looking at the case file, I'm going to be very interested to see the extent of the electronic evidence they have and some of what they referenced but not allowed us to review. They've not put it into public yet. I mean, the reality is, Ashley Wilcott, trial lawyer and judge, Court TV anchor, I mean, the possibilities are endless. The suspect pool is large.

Gosh, this is a unique case to me, Nancy, and it's because of what Joe Scott Morgan said earlier. Statistically, it's someone you know. But when you add to that exactly what the senator just shared and all of the public and publicity and passion around political topics, subjects, advocacy. It is limitless. I mean, this is a needle in a haystack in terms of the potential perpetrators out there. Especially with the body decomposure at this level, it's going to be hard to get any type, even touch DNA from the body. Then in the midst of the investigation, a love triangle emerges. Linda Collins Smith and Rebecca O'Donnell's relationship was intimate. They confided in

each other. In fact, those who knew the pair, including Collins' family, said they were like sisters, even though they weren't blood relations. O'Donnell helped Collins with her 2014 and 2018 election campaigns. They saw each other socially, even going on trips together. O'Donnell was even a witness in Collins' contentious divorce proceedings. She testified about Collins' separation from her husband of 12 years, Judge Philip Smith. She testified to Collins' residency in Pocahontas and the 18-month separation from Smith. Smith did not contest the divorce. As news became public that O'Donnell's boyfriend, Tim Loggins, had financial power of attorney for Collins, speculation began on just

what was the exact nature of the trio's relations. Were O'Donnell and Collins involved in a love triangle? Whoa, did not see that coming. Levi Page, first of all, who is the man, Tim Loggins, that has power of attorney for Collins? I mean, I would have assumed some lawyer or some real estate lawyer would have had that. And then Loggins' girlfriend is Rebecca Lynn O'Donnell. And she works for Linda. So explain to me, who are these two individuals, Loggins and O'Donnell? So Loggins and O'Donnell, they are fiance and Tim Loggins was the power of attorney over Linda Collins Smith. And Rebecca O'Donnell had worked for Linda Collins political campaigns twice. And she was a very good friend of hers. They traveled together.

They spoke to each other, communicated with each other frequently. So you've got these two. One is her power of attorney for financial reasons. The other, his girlfriend, has worked for Linda for a long time. To Senator Missy Irvin, did you know these two? I only knew Tim Loggins through Facebook. There was an act that was, I think it's Act 746, that we passed in the General Assembly, and it was about gun rights

and really kind of established an open carry in the state of Arkansas. It wasn't worded completely clearly, but because of Act 746, there was a Facebook group that Tim Loggins was a part of. And so it's a big Facebook group and post, and there was some interaction. I had some interaction with some of those folks. Okay, so he was involved in the gun regulation or anti-gun regulation pursuit to Ken Yang, former press secretary for Linda.

Did you know these two? I did. I actually knew Tim a lot better than I knew Becky. You know, they went everywhere together. I had an event up in Pocahontas, I believe. Wait, who went everywhere together? Linda and Becky and Tim. Okay, so they were friends. Yeah, they were close friends.

When Tim would come to the Capitol to speak on gun legislation, usually Linda was around, usually Becky was around too. Becky had worked on the campaign in 2018. I had been in Pocahontas, I believe, in 2018. And I had invited Linda, and Linda invited Becky and Tim to come with them. And so, you know, I didn't know them well, but I did. I did know them. There's a picture of them on her Facebook post and what we call the Senate elevator, the small elevator. And there's a picture became the chair of the Judiciary Committee

because the chair of that committee had to resign. Wow. So they did everything together. And Linda trusted Loggins so much she made him financial power of attorney. And then, of course, the girlfriend, Rebecca O'Donnell, had been working for her for years. So the three of them spent a lot of time together. Take a listen to our friends at KAIT Region 8 News. Silver and gold coins valuing thousands of dollars. The file revealed O'Donnell sold $15,000 worth of gold coins and rings, and it's likely those same coins that Phil Smith said were missing when he was being interviewed in his ex-wife's murder.

We also learned about trouble between O'Donnell and Collins. O'Donnell reportedly told that police were trying to prove that she was laundering money from the hotel Collins owned with Phil Smith. She said Collins' dad accused her of stealing, but O'Donnell said that wasn't the case. Whoa! $15,000 of gold and silver coins and rings? So I guess the judge, Phil Smith, wasn't all wrong. Somebody stole the silver and gold, but it wasn't his then wife, Linda Collins. According to this source, it was, I guess, her secretary, Rebecca Lynn O'Donnell.

What about it, Levi? You're correct, Nancy. Linda Collins Smith's father suspected Rebecca O'Donnell and so did Linda Collins Smith. And there was some tension there when they started suspecting her of stealing. What was Rebecca's personality? What was she like? I'm going to jump in here because Tim Loggins is a hothead. And if you look on this Patriots of Act 746, I mean, they're a little bit extreme. I mean, I am 100 percent Second Amendment person.

I'm a very conservative person. My grandpa was a gunsmith. But these people are off the chain. And he, you know, he is an aggressive personality. And somebody who has engaged with me on Facebook on that post or has written things, you know, improperly about me or other people on that Facebook post. Uh-oh. You know what? That's something I've always told juries. If you can't figure out what happened, find the nut in the scenario, and that will be a big red flag. Ken Yang, what can you tell? He's a, let me just say rabid second amendment person that is

not a killer make ken yang what can you tell me about rebecca o'donnell uh you know she was uh very nice she was a definitely uh probably the most quiet out of out of the three um but uh as the senator irvin alluded to you know uh tim tim was uh Tim had a bigger personality, spoke up more at events or at gatherings, as did Linda. And Becky typically did not do so, but seemed relatively nice and was always very cordial and very pleasant to be around. And out of the blue, take a listen to our friends at ABC GMA. Relatively nice and was always very cordial and very pleasant to be around. Then out of the blue, take a listen to our friends at ABC GMA. More than a week after the murder, O'Donnell and Loggins were on their way to the memorial service for Colin Smith when they noticed flashing lights. What did you think was happening when you saw those blue lights?

I mean, I don't know what's going on, but it's obvious they're stopping us with my son in the truck. And we stop, and they've got AR-15s pointed at us. You can see the look of just utter disbelief on their face that that was happening. Not knowing what's going on, you could just see it. O'Donnell worked on Colin Smith's most recent campaign, and according to Loggins, was the last person known to have seen Colin Smith alive. I believe it was May 28th. She took Linda lunch. That's what she told me.

Took her lunch to her home? Yes. They were very close. You don't understand. Becky worked for Linda, but Linda was a family friend. So here you've got the boyfriend telling police his girlfriend is the last one he knows of with Linda Collins-Smith. What else does he have to say? It was like Becky's sister. Linda was like my sister.

You would classify them as best friends? Yes. They were all so close that Loggins says O'Donnell was a corroborating witness in Collins-Smith's divorce and he had power of attorney over Colin Smith, overseeing some of her financial matters. And that has brought him under some public scrutiny. I didn't want to do it, but Linda needed the help and you help a friend when they need it. I never made a nickel off of helping Linda do any of that, period. You're telling me you never benefited from any of that?

Never. Not a nickel. Are you 100% certain that your fiancée, Becky, had nothing to do with the murder of Linda Collins? Yes, I am. You had nothing to do with the murder of Linda Collins? I did not. That sounds a little weak to me. Yes, I am.

I did not. I would be throwing a fit and lying on the courthouse steps screaming. What else do we learn? After O'Donnell's arrest, Collins Smith. I did not. I would be throwing a fit and lying on the courthouse steps screaming. What else do we learn? After O'Donnell's arrest, Colin Smith's family was stunned, releasing a statement saying, we are sickened and upset that someone so close to Linda would be involved in such a terrible, heartless crime. But Loggins is asking for help to clear his fiance's name, saying he believes the real killer is still out there. Has it crossed your mind for a moment, just in some late night alone, where you question, well, maybe. Becky is capable of this. Becky's not capable of this.

You haven't had that moment at all? I haven't questioned that. At all? No. I mean, either she is a best actress in the world and a sociopath and completely fooled me, or there's not a chance she did this. Not a chance she did it. Well, just as Derek Ellington, expert in online activity at Ellington.net, said, The second thing you do, besides speaking to the husband and the intimates is look at the computers.

Take a listen to Erin Castleberry, KAI TV Region 8. New court documents recently released shed new light into the death of former State Senator Linda Collins. Now the records released today showed Arkansas State Police investigators sought several search warrants for computer and phone records for the two. Now, the affidavit states that O'Donnell told NASP investigators she last saw Collins at her home on May 28, 2019. That's where they got into a verbal argument, according to that affidavit. And she said that she had not seen her since that night. Now, on June 4th, her fiance, now that's Rebecca O'Donnell's fiance, said that she had not seen her since that night. Now, on June 4th, her fiance, now that's Rebecca O'Donnell's fiance, said that she had visited Collins' home several times that week. And Collins' son even said that he saw O'Donnell at his mother's home on June 3rd.

So to you, Derek Ellington, online activity expert, what were they looking for? Well, some of the things we would look for, besides direct communications between the two, such as text messages and emails, is location data. And the location data can be used to impeach somebody's statement, you know, where I was, where I wasn't. And so when we talk about location data, we talk about things like cell tower data that the police have access to, and then also things they can get from Apple, from Android, where when you're using your phone every day, it's also collecting location information on you.

And again, that information can be very powerful to put somebody in a place and also if the person is lying about where they were. Now, take a listen to Erin Castleberryberry kaitv region 8 news o'donnell also told investigators that timmy loggins had removed several security cameras from collins's home prior to the murder because that they did because they did not work and said that collins was going to go and see if she could get a refund for them. Now, those cameras were not found at Collins' home. So back to you, Levi Page, let me understand. O'Donnell now tells police her lover, Tim Loggins, is the one that removed security cameras from the home.

That is correct, Nancy, and that is suspicious because she is last seen May 28th, and those cameras are gone, and then she ends up dead. Is it a coincidence that those cameras were removed before she's killed? It all comes to a culmination. Take a listen to Diana Davis, KAIT Region 8. Judge Fogelman asked her, tell us what you did. That was quite a striking moment there in the courtroom and rebecca responded

with quote i went to her i intentionally killed her o'donnell was very calm in the courtroom this morning she looked much thinner than when she was in here before there was a moment when she teared up in the courtroom but it was not when she was talking about what she did to Linda Collins. Now, you'll remember that the state had been seeking the death penalty in the case of O'Donnell, but now that is off the table. As she enters plea agreements today here at the Randolph County Courthouse, her children were in the courtroom as well as the adult children of former state senator Linda Collins. How stunned were you, Ken Yang, former press secretary for Linda Collins, to discover this mousy young secretary for Linda Collins admits to murder? It was just heartbreaking and absolutely unbelievable that someone that Linda considered her best friend, that Linda considered her sister, would do something like this

and do something that affected, you know, obviously all of us that knew Linda, but ultimately do something that affected her children and do something that affected Linda's dad, who was her best friend. And not only was it just, just heartbreaking, but, you know, I'm to this day still angry about it, too. That Ms. O'Donnell is still here with us and Linda is not. In a bombshell plea deal that takes the death penalty off the table,

the former Mousy secretary of Linda Collins Smith pleads guilty to her murder, getting 50 years for the death of Linda. Was the motive all about greed, all about money? What do you know, Levi? Nancy, you are correct. She actually admitted to stealing from Linda Collins Smith. And back to the security cameras that I mentioned earlier, the police never found the cameras, but they were able to go back into the cloud storage where the security footage inside the home, everything is stored on a cloud. They were able to get a subpoena. They got that footage and it showed Rebecca O'Donnell walking around Linda Collins Smith's home with a bloody knife and blood on her face. I don't understand why these two,

Arkansas State Senator Linda Collins and her aide, Rebecca Lynn O'Donnell, inseparable, working side by side, seeing each other socially every other night, going on trips together. How did that friendship turn fatal to Senator Missy Irvin? Weigh in. Yeah, I was I was so angry about this, but it was actually my gut feeling that something like this had happened. And it took me back to the tragic death of Selena, the Latin American bombshell singer and very similar situation. But it was driven by, again, a crime of passion. There's a friendship and intimacy. There was an attraction. There was this admiration that she is what I can't be. She's bold and she is, you know, beautiful and this blonde hair and this red lipstick and she's confident because, and I'm not. And so it's, you know, I'm talking about

Becky O'Donnell. I mean, they're, they're very opposite and, you know, and Linda was so trusting of people and, and, and trusted, unfortunately, this woman. And so it really was not shocking to me because of what I have personally experienced what others I know have experienced it was not shocking. Well maybe the prosecution should have thought twice before they took that death penalty off the table. Listen to KAIT Region 8 News. Investigators outlined their investigation into Rebecca O'Donnell. The charges in this case solicitation to commit murder. O'Donnell. The charges in this case? Solicitation to commit murder. O'Donnell tried to get several of her fellow inmates to murder Linda Collins' ex-husband

Phil Smith and planting a suicide note, making it appear as if Smith was the true murderer. That never panned out because those inmates went to investigators. And as they talked, investigators learned that O'Donnell admitted to appearing on camera. Bloody knife in hand. But she claimed that knife was for a chicken. And that investigators doctored the video. The investigative file also revealed that she removed those cameras and returned them to the store. Well, wait a minute.

So now she's behind bars trying to get Linda's ex-husband, the judge, murdered and fake a suicide note. You think you've heard it all? Well, you haven't. Take a listen to Fox 16 News reporter Mandy Noel. She's accused this morning of trying to set up a murder from behind bars. Rebecca O'Donnell is in jail now, charged with murdering Linda Collins. On top of the capital murder charge, Rebecca O'Donnell is now facing two counts of solicitation to commit capital murder and tampering with physical evidence. The new charges were filed in Jackson County Circuit Court. We're told four inmates say O'Donnell talked to them about killing Collins' former husband and making it look like a suicide. Investigators say O'Donnell wanted the man's current wife to be killed, too.

Court documents claim she offered to pay the inmates in gold and silver. All this happening from inside the Jackson County Jail. Whoa. So wait a minute. This mousy secretary has killed Linda Collins. Now she wants to kill her ex-husband, Linda's ex-husband, the judge, Philip Smith, and his new wife. Joe Scott Morgan, you're the death investigator. Ever seen anything like it?

No. No, I haven't. You know, you would think that you would be emboldened that one time to go over the top. And Nancy, I got to tell you, and, you know, in my measure, this for a homicide beyond this is mind blowing because of all of the mechanics involved. And you've already been caught once. You know what's on the table with this. It's it's beyond the pale. You know, it seems as if her web of deceit and murder knows no end. And for all these years, she was elbow to elbow with her victim, Linda Collins Smith. But don't forget the impact this has had on Linda's family. Take a listen to Logan Whaley, KAI-TV. It was an emotional day here at the Randolph County Courthouse.

Linda Collins' children spoke to us about an hour after the hearing ended, recalling the moment Linda was found dead, and you could tell the emotional toll that this has taken on them. I will never not be able to see that picture burning in my brain. Linda's family fighting back tears after the court hearing Thursday. That was Butch, Linda's oldest child. He was the one who found her dead. He says the last memory he has of her was making that 911 call with the sight and smell of his mom's body in his mind. Butch says his mother's death was, quote, an awful deed carried out of hate, jealousy, and greed. We realized that no matter what punishment Rebecca O'Donnell receives, it will never be enough. Both Butch and his sister Tate Williams feel that none of the punishments for Rebecca O'Donnell

will come close to what they feel is right. A deadly mixture of jealousy, obsession, and greed. The theory is that when Linda Collins confronted O'Donnell for stealing the gold and silver. O'Donnell snaps and stabs Linda dead in a fit of rage. O'Donnell up for parole in 30 years. Killers amongst us. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.