Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Loving Dad of 3 at Son's College Family Weekend, Shot Dead in Hotel Lobby

Episode Date: October 5, 2022

What was supposed to be a fun-filled weekend with his son, turned tragedic as a New York father is killed at his hotel. Paul Kutz, 53, died after a man opens fire in the hotel lobby. Two men with reported gang ties have been arrested for the shooting, Roy Johnson Jr. and Devin Taylor. J Johnson Jr. is believed to be the shooter. He’s now facing felony charges of second-degree murder and second-degree criminal possession of a weapon.  Taylor has been charged with felony second-degree criminal possession of a weapon. News reports say the men were homeless and staying at the hotel, although it’s unclear how long they had been there.   Joining Nancy Grace Today: Peter Smith - Of Counsel, The Law Offices of Ken Belkin (New York City), Criminal Defense, Family Law, Civil Litigation, BelkinLaw.com Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst (Beverly Hills, CA), DrBethanyMarshall.com, New Netflix show: 'Bling Empire' Wilbur Chapman - Former NYPD Deputy Commissioner Dr. Jeffrey M. Jentzen Professor of Forensic Pathology and Director of Autopsy and Forensic Services at the University of Michigan Medical School, Former Medical Examiner in Milwaukee County, Wisconsin  Joan Gralla - General Assignment Reporter, Newsday (New York City), Newsday.com, Twitter: @JoanGralla  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. When you think of your own children, you spend a lifetime happily giving them all your love, all your attention. I was up with my son last night till 1115 editing his essay and I was happy to do it. Years, years go into helping them advance even one tiny bit in life. Finally, you get them to college, right? I grew up in an area where nobody went to college, so it was a big deal for all three of us to go. I remember my dad working night shifts, my mom being gone at 5.30 in the morning to her job so we could go to college. So this dad gets his son to college and a really good one too. And it's family weekend.

He goes and he is shot dead at the family weekend. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. Of course, we can't bring him back. But you know what we can do? We can seek justice. Take a listen to this. The hotel is just under five miles from the college campus. Police say the parent had been staying at the Marriott during Marist's family weekend, a yearly event with football games and performances. Marist students

in disbelief. Shock, disbelief, and also just confusion, I think, and just deep sadness for the family, for the victims. Police still trying to figure out the events that led up to the shooting. No word yet on a motive. No word on a motive. Of course, the state doesn't have to prove a motive. But out of the blue, this dad goes to see his child at college on family weekend, and he ends up dead at a perfectly respectable hotel. You were just hearing our friends at Fox 5, but now take a listen to our friends at NBC4. There are new developments revealing the violence and danger guests faced

at a hotel in Poughkeepsie when someone opened fire and killed a visitor. The shooting piercing the courtyard by Marriott yesterday morning where many people were staying to attend family weekend at nearby Marist College. The bullets shattered the lobby windows, left behind bullet holes and other windows. Police believe the shooter fired two dozen rounds. We cleared that section of the hotel room, the rooms inside it just in case and continued to look for wounded individuals, make sure everybody was okay in the hotel. While further cursory look at the room, they also then found manuals that were handbooks on how to make bombs. So the tactical unit that was on scene at that point requested the rest of the hotel be evacuated so at that point we evacuated

the hotel moved them to safe locations relocated them and then we conducted bomb sweeps as if it couldn't get any worse here you are at what is considered a quiet town at a quiet hotel with respectable people staying there and a dad gets gunned down, and then they find bomb-making materials. This is with the irony, the dichotomy, of the fact that this is the Marist College, M-A-R-I-S-T, which is of the order of Mary,

the mother of Christ. And it is named that, you may ask, why name it after Mary as opposed to Christ? Because the view of the order of Mary is that she did so many good works on earth that she answered God's calling without question. And with that backdrop, bullets fly in the hotel on family weekend? With me, an all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now. But first, I want to go to an investigative reporter with Newsday. You can find her at Newsday.com and on Twitter

at Joan Grala. Joan, thank you for being with us. I'm just having a hard time letting this soak in. My friend just went to her son's college parents' day. We just had parents' day at my children's high school. And to think this could happen in a family setting. I mean, it's not like they're out selling dope on the street. It's not like this guy's a member of a gang. I mean, I'm talking about a dad, Paul Kutz. Three sons, a wife left behind because of this. Just tell me the beginning, Joan. How did the whole thing start? Well, at 7.29, the police AM on Sunday, the police got a call of a disturbance.

And during that call, they say, the individual calling reported shots fired. Okay, hold on, Joan, because you've already hit me with a bag of cement right there. Let me go straight out to Wilbur Chapman, former NYPD Deputy Commissioner. Did you hear what the Newsday reporter, Joan Grawl, just said? 729 a.m. Now listen, I have investigated thousands of cases, prosecuted so many I can't count them. It's really rare to get violent crime when most people are up having their first cup of coffee. You usually see that after the dopeheads wake up at about three or four o'clock in the afternoon. Then the bullets start flying. But 729 a.m. in Poughkeepsie? Really? Well, Nancy, this is a particularly difficult situation for me

because as Deputy Commissioner of Training in the NYPD, we had a particularly close relationship with Marist College. So it's really incredulous that you have this type of crime that early in the morning. However, we live in different times now and people have absolutely no respect for what, as you put it, the dopeheads used to get up at noon and we were prepared and policing from one o'clock on and expected them to go late in the morning, late into the evening and early morning. Now they're starting early in the morning. And when people have this kind of antisocial and criminal behavior, there is no way of predicting exactly when or how they will strike. You know what, Wilbur Chapman,

you can say that again. You can say that again. Statistically, Joan Grala, as you know from reporting at Newsday, of course, crime can happen at any time, but 7.29 a.m. and the hotel lobby of the Marriott Courtyard, you usually don't expect bullets to fly.

But they did. Sorry, I cut you off in like what, sentence three? Go ahead, Joan. Well, and one of the mysteries that I think explains the national attention this tragedy has brought, and our Newsday TV reporter, Cecilia Dowd, spoke with the neighbors, and this is a really wonderful family with just a very caring dad they all describe, is how heavily armed. Heavily armed in a hotel lobby, a family weekend at the Marist College.

Take a listen to the chief of the Poughkeepsie Police Department, Chief Joseph Cavalieri. Responding officers set up a perimeter. They began to treat the wounded. Once it was secure, EMS was allowed in. They took over the treatment of the victim. The victim was transported to Mid-Hudson Regional Hospital, where he was later pronounced dead. The officers on scene continued to secure the hotel. They went to check a room.

They noticed some suspicious items, some of which to be materials that we determined could be combined to create an explosive. Guests gathered and evacuated because bomb making manuals and flash grenades and other possible bomb components found in the hotel room. Moved them to safe locations, relocated them, and then we conducted bomb sweeps. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, to Dr. Bethany Marshall joining us,

renowned psychoanalyst joining us out of Beverly Hills. You can find her at drbethanymarshall.com. She's the star of a new Netflix series, Bling Empire. Dr. Bethany, you heard what Joan Grala said from Newsday and what Wilbur Chapman said, former NYPD deputy commissioner. Right. Crime can happen anytime, but I'm still reeling from the dichotomy of this being the Marist College and what it stands for in Poughkeepsie, which is not known for high crime like New York City or inner city Atlanta or Chicago or Detroit. You don't think, wow, Poughkeepsie, I'm not going to go there. I'll get shot dead.

And you're at the family, the college family weekend, Dr. Bethany. I know. I mean, that's enough for a nightmare for parents. I'm about to visit a friend in Middlebury, Vermont. He just bought it in there. He's been there for about a year. And it's a college town. And Nancy, you know, when you walk down the street, people are selling homemade pies. Everybody knows each other.

There are kids everywhere. It's so family friendly. You know, the most exciting activity in the town is the book club because people are connected. They're engaged. There is really no bad element usually in these small towns. But here's what really alarms me as a psychoanalyst and mental health professional. The 730 in the morning, I think, is significant because that tells me whoever did this had enormous amounts of energy. When somebody comes into my office and their sleep-wake cycle is turned around, I become alarmed. I think about drug use, bipolar disorder, rage, rage directed at other people. What are they doing all night?

What are they thinking all night? I think meth head. I think PCP. I think I have to evaluate for all these things because most people are not, you know, they make it in an argument with their spouse late at night, maybe a few too many cocktails, a dysfunctional, abusive marriage. But then they fall asleep. with their spouse late at night, maybe a few too many cocktails, a dysfunctional, abusive marriage. But then they fall asleep. This early morning hour, I think, is a very crucial part of the story. Well, another crucial part of the story, as Joe Graw has told us, take a listen to our friends at WABC7. And I have been on the phone with the U.S. Attorney's Office through last evening and this morning.

We are working in conjunction with each other as this moves forward to determine what exactly we are dealing with. Now, the FBI and the ATF have been looped into this investigation with regard specifically to those bomb-making materials, and other charges could stem from this arrest. As for the 53-year-old victim, we are not releasing his name and the family at this point has asked for privacy. Peter Smith joining me, high-profile lawyer out of New York City. He's with the law offices of Ken Belkin at BelkinLaw.com. Peter, whoever this is that has bullets flying at 729 a.m. at the family weekend at Marist College, the Order of Mary, up in a room. I mean, you can't just discount them as, you know, hey, they're probably dope addicts. They're bomb-making materials. Bomb-making materials. You've already got one dad of three shot dead. I had no idea who these people are.

And now bomb making materials? Yeah, I mean, Nancy, that just adds to the fright that this case is causing in the community that we don't know what their intentions were. They're heavily armed. They're hopped up on all sorts of dope. And clearly, they're ready to explode at any moment. I mean, given what the reporting has suggested, you know, it was probably some minuscule argument that happened down in the lobby that set them off. Some small confrontation maybe was the trigger. And of course, under the law, that means nothing. I'm just thinking through bomb making materials in Poughkeepsie at family weekend at Marist

College. I mean, whenever I travel out of town to work on a case and everybody's saying, where are you going to stay? I'm like, I don't know, the Marriott Courtyard for Pete's sake. Don't they have free breakfast and Wi-Fi? Everybody goes and stays at a place like that. Free Wi-Fi, breakfast in the morning. You can smell the coffee when you wake up. Everybody goes down to the lobby. Everything's safe and secure, but not this time. I've got a father of three dead. They couldn't save him. Over what?

Take a listen to this. Our friends at WCBS. One person is dead after a shooting at a hotel in Poughkeepsie near Marist College during family weekend. Police say someone opened fire around 730 this morning at the Courtyard Marriott. We're told the victim was a relative of a Marist student but that person has not been identified. During a search of the hotel, police say they found materials that could be used as explosives inside a room. State Bomb Squad is investigating.

We cleared that section of the hotel room, the rooms inside it, just in case, and continued to look for wounded individuals, make sure everybody was okay in the hotel while further cursory look at the room they also then found manuals that were handbooks on how to make bombs so the tactical unit that was on scene at that point requested the rest of the hotel be evacuated so at that point, requested the rest of the hotel be evacuated. So at that point, we evacuated the hotel, moved them to safe locations, relocated them, and then we conducted bomb sweeps. We are now learning even more. Take a listen to Jonathan Dentst at NBC4. It was around 7 a.m. investigators say that two suspects were smoking a PCP-like substance in their room. One went down to the lobby and got into an argument with staff.

It was then he allegedly took out the handgun and began firing. Innocent individuals convening in the lobby of a hotel going about their business were tragically impacted and one life horrifically taken. Straight out to Wilbur Chapman, former NYPD Deputy Commissioner, PCP. What is it? It is a mind-altering drug that can cause behavior to be amplified to the degree where you lose all sense of reality. You think you're super strong. You forget all types of reasoning. And it usually is involved in conduct that causes serious injury to others,

or in this case, the complete loss of life. But Nancy, it's also a hallucinogenic. So these people are hallucinating that committed the crime. They're hallucinating who God knows what, that they're seeing the devil, they're saving the world. I have a patient who I used PCP for years. He's now a multimillionaire plumber in Beverly Hills. He has a great life, four kids, but he was a gangbanger for many, many years. And he recalls stories of breaking into homes, breaking into houses. He said he once hit an old lady over the head so he could grab her purse. I mean, really sort of frightening, violent crimes. And sometimes they're just barely at the edges of his memory because he was so high most of that time. And most of the therapy has been talking about how really what a horrible, violent criminal he was. He spent eight years in federal prison.

So this drug they were on, I mean, do you remember that case, Nancy, where a guy was on PCP and ate the face off a homeless person? We covered that story many years ago. This reminds me of that. Yes, I remember it. It's commonly known as angel dust, phencyclodine. Rocket fuel. Yeah. Let me go to Dr. Jeffrey M. Jensen, Professor of Forensic Pathology, Director of Autopsy Forensic Services, University of Michigan Medical School, former medical examiner in Milwaukee. Dr. Jensen, welcome. What does PCP do to you, commonly known as angel dust?

Well, again, as that was described with the psychosis that occurs, these individuals can have, in addition to the psychotic disconnection and disorientation. They can express excessive strength and force. They're typically very violent and react to and are stimulated by excessive outside noise and threats. So I'm thanking to Joan Grala joining us, investigative reporter with Newsday at Newsday.com. Here's this dad visiting his son.

He's got three sons. Two of them are twins. He's visiting one son at Marist College, Poughkeepsie. He's minding his own business in the lobby, probably getting that free coffee the Marriott gives you. And all of a sudden, here come these two a-holes, technical legal term, hopped up on angel dust, and they get into an argument with the staff, the Marriott staff. What do we know about that, Joan? That's not something I have reported on, I confess, one of the questions swirling around this is the two individuals accused of this shooting are described as homeless. And the Dutchess County Executive wants to make it very clear that the county was not putting them up at this hotel.

So they very well may not be homeless. Speaking of the two. Take a listen to our friends at WABC7. She pursued that gentleman and ended up taking him down at gunpoint. A 26-year-old gunman taken down by a female officer in the courtyard of this Poughkeepsie Hotel Sunday morning in a shooting that killed a 53-year-old father of a Marist college student simply visiting for family weekend. Roy A. Johnson Jr. faces second-degree murder and weapons charges. Devin M. Taylor, the first suspect taken into custody, also facing weapons charges. He reached

into a fanny pack and threw an item away from him. That item was later recovered and turned out to be a handgun. Straight back out to Wilbur Chapman, former NYPD Deputy Commissioner. You know, I'm very surprised this female cop didn't gun him down right there. Because when you're in pursuit and you know you've already got one dead victim in the lobby. And a perp reaches into their fanny pack or their pocket or their jacket. How do you know they're not pulling out a gun to fire at you? But she didn't. She managed to take him down without shooting him dead. And according to Joan Graw with Newsday, there have been some reports,

not by her, but by others, that they were homeless. I'm not sure that I believe that. Well, let's start with the police tactics. Obviously, because we're in a place where there are a lot of innocent people, the police are going to do everything they can to minimize any injury to anybody other than the individual they are trying to apprehend. It was clearly an excellent police response. The officer should be praised for her tactics in bringing down this criminal without any injury or any property damage other than the focus on the individual. In terms of looking at homelessness, there is a real correlation between homelessness and crime, and it's unfortunate because the social workers will tell you that it's a condition beyond people's control.

But yes, one can be homeless, but that does not allow them or give them excuse to engage in unlawful activities. I'm not convinced these two guys are homeless. If they're homeless, what are they doing shacked up at a Marriott courtyard? And from what I understand, they've got a car. Guys, take a listen to NBC4. These are the two Marriott courtyard hotel suspects. The lobby was a shooting zone Sunday morning, bullet holes still visible. At least one of those bullets killing a visiting relative of a Marist College student. The suspect did not know the victim. This, we believe, is a random act.

This is a photo of one of the weapons, a so-called ghost gun assault style rifle the other the weapon used a glock nine millimeter like this with a switch to make it automatic when the weapon was later found in the parking lot its 30 round magazine was empty wilbur chapman explain what is a ghost gun a ghost gun is a gun that's manufactured uh to ensure that there is no serial number and it cannot be traced. It is a real problem for law enforcement because these ghost guns are being manufactured and sold over the Internet and through the mail. And anyone can can get their hands on them rather than going through the normal legal channels of getting a weapon with a serial number and making sure that it's cracked. So, you know, who it and who purchased it. It's a challenge to law enforcement

and until there is legal action to make sure that the production of them is ceased, we're going to continue to have these guns in circulation and endangering our population. What do you make of a Glock? A Glock was a standard weapon in the NYPD for years. It's an excellent weapon, but it can be altered and arranged so that it shoots as an automatic weapon, in which case it will fire a large number of rounds in a short period of time and can be exceedingly dangerous

if not handled appropriately and deadly if the intent is to inflict injury. Take a listen to our friends at WABC7. Court records indicate police recovered a 9mm Glock from Johnson and also recovered an AR-style rifle with the serial number removed and We The People stamped on the weapon from Taylor. Investigators are reviewing surveillance video from the hotel and body cam footage from other responding agencies to try to piece together the events leading up to the shooting. We're still investigating everything that led up to it, so we're not ready to get into more of the details.

And investigators say upon a search of the suspect's hotel room, they found bomb-making materials, a bomb-making manual leading to hotel evacuationsuations but an active explosive device was never found to Joan Grawler joining me from Newsday she's been on the case from the very beginning this was a nine a nine millimeter Glock that had a switch to make it automatic which means you hold the trigger and many many many bullets. There's a spray of bullets, not just bang, bang, each time you pull the trigger. And the weapon was found in the parking lot with a 30-round magazine empty. Well, one of the curiosities, and Mr. Kunst, the shot in the chest and torso of the police say, that assault rifle, as the other guests said, had no serial number, but it was stamped with the phrase, quote, we the people, unquote, which is one of the curiosities that surrounds this case and might possibly go to possible motivation. But all of that is very speculative at this point.

So the gun had what, an engraving on it or stamp? We the people? A ghost gun with an identifying marker. You get a ghost gun. So there's no serial number on it. It can't be traced. Yet you mark it with a phrase that no one will forget. We the people.

A lot is being made of these two being homeless i'm not buying it for one minute i don't think they're homeless me neither i don't buy they're homeless these men have so many resources for homeless people they're staying at the marriott that is not cheap they have the clothing and and the appearance of normal people so that they looked a little strange, but they're walking in and out of the hotel. They don't look, smell, act like homeless people, perhaps. That costs a lot of money to get

the gun and bomb making equipment. Dr. Beth, is this Dr. Bethany talking? Dr. Bethany, you're right. What about it, John Grala? I don't think these two are homeless. I think they just don't want to give up their address. Why? Because they're wanted. They they're fugitives their home address will identify who they are and nancy if i could just jump in real quick i think that you're absolutely right that these individuals are not homeless in the traditional sense but they were on the run from

other crimes committed uh down are you trying to suggest that a fugitive is actually homeless Peter Smith? Not at all Nancy. I'm saying that they are anything but homeless. I think that they had the resources to actually initially flee law enforcement from the south and that they were continuing. Atlanta

specifically. No lack of dope business in Atlanta. Take a listen to Jonathan Dent's NBC4. The two suspects have a history of arrests, including for robbery and assault, but the hotel shooting this weekend comes as the two suspects were already under investigation for a drug-related killing in August, and it appears the pair might have known police were closing in on them. Both men have past felony convictions, and police say both were being investigated for possible involvement in a past gang-related murder in the Poughkeepsie area. Fox Nation is coming to Atlanta Wednesday, October 12th.

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crime stories with nancy grace Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. This dad gets his son to college and it's family weekend. He goes. And he is shot dead. Take a listen to our friends at NBC4. A day after the father of a Marist College student was shot to death in this Poughkeepsie Hotel lobby, two men are charged in the killing. Police recovered two guns, including this rifle, a ghost gun with no serial number according to law enforcement sources, and bomb bomb making materials in the hotel room where police say the two men were staying. Roy Johnson Jr. and Devin Taylor both homeless with previous

felony convictions and charged in this case. Law enforcement sources tell News 4 Johnson fired dozens of gunshots inside and outside the Marriott Courtyard Sunday morning after those sources say he got into an argument in the lobby. Joan Grawah, Newsday. What can you tell me about these two guys' criminal history? That explains where they've been living, part of the time anyway, in jail. Well, yes, you're absolutely correct. And the problem is that the Poughkeepsie police are, well, they're being extremely cautious, which makes perfect sense, honoring the family's wishes about not releasing the victim's name, for example, which we only got as reporters from the charging papers.

But the past history and the violence of this crime and the weapons found might explain why the individual charged with the shooting was remanded and the second individual, while his bail was set at $500,000 in cash or a million dollar bond or five million partly secured, which are hefty amounts. What exactly is the bond, did you say? The second individual, not the shooter, his bail was set at $500,000 in cash, a $1 million bond or $5 million partially secured. Guys, let's go straight to our cut 17. Jonathan danced WNBC. Roy Johnson was a wanted man. Johnson was labeled a criminal fugitive by the sheriff in Fulton County, Georgia. Johnson allegedly skipped court after his arrest on felony gun and cocaine

dealing charges. The sheriff's office says a warrant for his arrest was put into a national database in July. In the database in July, yet here they are at family weekend at Marist. Take a listen to more. In August of this year, law enforcement sources say Johnson was being investigated in the Poughkeepsie area, being looked at as a key suspect in connection with a gang-related murder. Several law enforcement sources say while some investigators wanted to make an arrest, they say the DA and others wanted to wait for DNA and fingerprint evidence to come back. During that August murder investigation, it seems at no time did police or prosecutors act on that warrant out of Georgia. Okay, what about it, Chapman? He's got a felony warrant out of Fulton County,

where I prosecuted for 10 years. A felony warrant warrant, guns and dope. They know it's him. He's suspected in another murder right there, and they do nothing. And now this father of three is dead. There's a lot of explaining that's got to be done relative to this case, what the extent of the investigation was, why it was necessary to wait longer before apprehension. And I think until the police and the prosecutor come forward and say exactly what their reasons were, there is great reason to be concerned about what the process was. Concern, my rear-end concern.

You go tell that to the three boys that don't have a father and a mother having to raise a family on her own. Take a listen to WNBC. The suspect, Johnson, is accused of using a Glock with a 30-round magazine to open fire in and around the hotel, allegedly killing Cutts. Another man, Devin Taylor, also charged with weapons possession, a so-called ghost gun assault style rifle, and possible bomb-making parts found in their hotel room. Earlier, the district attorney's office in Georgia told us if police here in New York knew where Johnson was this past summer, they would have wanted Johnson arrested

and sent back to Georgia on his guns and drugs charges. Okay, you got, jump in. I'm sorry, if I could just say one thing about the father. One of the saddest things, he was killed the day before his twins turned 22. And they also attended Marist, I believe. The father was visiting the third son, the younger son, who by all accounts is an extremely accomplished student.

Yeah, Nancy, this is Dr. Jensen. This is where the forensic evidence would be helpful in helping to explain the circumstances. We would look to do x-rays to determine whether it was a high-velocity round that struck the victim or whether it was from the Glock handgun. And we can also tell what we describe as atypical entrance gunshot wounds. And this would be indicative of a bullet coming through some kind of an object such as the glass. There may be also some determination of whether the bullet was a ricochet or actually was pointed at the individual. So these are the kind of questions we try to answer just by routine processing of a gunshot wound, x-rays, examining the bullet fragments in the weapon. Can I ask you a question, Dr. Jensen? How do you stay so calm when you're looking at body after body after body? And, I mean, I'm just thinking about their children.

I mean, it's hard for me to take in. It's always the good people that get gunned down or murdered. He ran an accounting firm with his brother for the last 30 plus years, married one time, great family, faithful, loyal, hard worker. Bam, he's dead. And these two dopeheads are walking for, I mean, they're alive. They'll probably get bond and walk free. You bring up an interesting point, Nancy, because most pathologists are characterized as being stuck in their basement laboratories. But it's the forensic pathologist that has intimate contact with, I'll encounter the victim's family and attempt to give them my condolences and to give them a detailed idea of how we were going to treat their loved one.

John Grawler, what happens next? Oh, that's a great question. The family is asking for all of us to respect their privacy. And you mentioned the accounting firm run with his brother. Well, apparently, the father was known for arriving very early, like 6 a.m., always with a smile on his face. And if you look at the company website, you see they even list their dog, Luna, who provides chronic relief, they say, and emotional support in her role as an office companion

and will soon try to prepare your tax returns. This guy reminds me so much of my dad and my husband, just good through and through. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. This is an iHeart Podcast.