Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - MIDNIGHT SCREAMS: DESIGNER, 33, FOUND DEAD ON HAMPTONS YACHT

Episode Date: August 7, 2025

Just after midnight, the calm over the serene Montauk Yacht Club is shattered by the sounds of a man’s anguished scream. Passersby rush to a boat in the marina, where a man is standing over an unconscious woman begging for help.  Soon the marina is filled with the sound of sirens, but the woman isn’t rushed to the hospital—first responders declare the woman dead on the scene.   After the East Hampton Town Police and first responders pronounce Martha dead, the county's Homicide Squad arrives on scene around 4am and takes over the investigation. The preliminary investigation and exam were inconclusive regarding the cause of death and an autopsy was performed by the Suffolk County Medical Examiner. The autopsy did not show evidence of violence and her final cause of death is pending further examination.    Joining Nancy Grace today Greg Morse - Criminal Defense Attorney of Morse Legal, author of “The Untested” found on Amazon; website: morselegal.com Dr. Chloe Carmichael-Clinical Psychologist, Author: ‘Nervous Energy: Harness The Power of Your Anxiety”, Twitter: @DrChloe, drchloe.com  Dan Murphy  - Former NYPD Detective-Sergeant, Joint Terrorism Task Force, Former Chief Security Officer, US Bancorp, Co-Host of "Gold Shields" Podcast, Author: “Workplace Safety: Establishing an Effective Violence Prevention Program” Dr. Thomas Coyne -  Chief Medical Examiner, District 2 Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida; Forensic Pathologist, Toxicologist, Neuropathologist; X: @DrTMCoyne Tisa Tells - Pop Culture Investigator & Commentator and Host of 'Tisa Tells' on YouTube, Instagram & TikTok: @TisaTellss, Facebook: Tisa.Tells.3  Sydney Sumner - Crime Online Investigative Reporter See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. Midnight screams. A beautiful young fashion designer found dead on a Hampton's yacht. And I can tell you this. Nothing good happens after midnight. Midnight Hamptons, the playground for millionaires, A dead woman on a yacht?

I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Blood-curdling screams heard in the middle of the night at the Montauk Yacht Club. First responders board the boat to find 33-year-old Martha Nolan O'Slatera unconscious. A night of partying now shrouded in mystery. I can't stress it enough. I've told a million juries this.

Nothing good happens after midnight. and all of the wealthy neighbors there by that yacht club here screams at midnight and a woman's body found on one of the yachts docked there. Straight out to Tisa Tells joining us, investigative reporter, star of Tisa Tells on YouTube. Tisa, what do we know right now? What we know right now is that this woman was found unresponsive, there was a naked man screaming,

in an elusive private club. But the thing is, the police aren't giving that much information. But if you know anything about the Hamptons and you know anything about Montau, what they're not telling us is explaining the whole story. Montauk is literally the end of the Hamptons. It is exclusive. It is wealthy. It is sexy, but it is also very quiet.

Unlike the Hamptons, whenever something happens, and Montauk, and Hamptons, it's on the front page of page six, and Montauk, things quietly get swept under the rug. They're letting us know, oh, you know, they're not releasing who actually found him, the boyfriend's name, which is highly unusual. It was his yacht. He owns Tune in the marina. It lets you know this man either comes from deep pockets, deep money, maybe both.

When you get into Montauk, billionaires go to play. Everybody knows everybody. She was very well known. But yet, but yet, there is hardly anything in the media being released about this. A lot of residents are thinking that something is being swept under the rug. And let me just tell you something about Montauk. There have been confirmed drug rings where it's, for the limel drivers are delivering drugs flown in fresh from the DR. This has been confirmed.

There are billionaires. There are one to be billionaires. Wait a minute, wait a minute. Tisa tells, you're telling me that. unlike a lot of people I prosecuted that sell dope on the corner, the people are so rich in the Hamptons and Montauk is at the very tip of the island, which means you're not just wealthy, you're mega wealthy because you're away from the Great Unwashed that are at the rest of the Hamptons.

And they have their dope flown in from Dominican Republic to be delivered. Did you just say that? White glove service, Nancy. White glove service. It is literally a white glove service where you get an exclusive list of not just the drugs that the commoners use. You know, there's Coke, there's MDA. There are designer drugs flown in especially in its delivered white glove service. I think about four rings so far have been busted.

But this goes into the montag. Why haven't you heard that? Because things get swept under. under the rug. You look at the Montauks. If you do any research, they'll be the first to tell you, we've never had any instances with murder. And what has been a bastion of the wealthy, the billionaires, the parties, and all those dirty little secrets to come with it, you cannot find anything. It is actually irregular and absurd to think where there is that much money, power, and hangar-ons, that nothing in the whole history of Montauk has happened besides the designer drug delivery service,

Again, the reason why all eyes are on Montauk, or as they like to call it, the end is the fact that things get brushed under. People might be paid off. People might not be, might be scared to speak, but the billionaires love to keep it quiet. So all eyes in New York are looking into what's going on in Montauk because at the end of the day, it's so exclusive. Even most New Yorkers don't know what happens behind that facade. Straight out to Dan Murphy joining us. former NYPD Detective Sargent Joint Terrorism Task Force, now star of the Gold Shields podcast. Dan, she's right.

We never hear about anything going wrong in the Hamptons, much less Montauk. You might see a movie here and there, you know, you just had murder in the Hamptons, blah, blah, blah. But it's all make-believe. Why do we never hear about the real truth? There's got to be crime in the Hamptons. Suffolk County. and that whole area is there's a lot of money out there. And where there's money, there is a media control, whether it's real or implied. And I think out there you will never hear

all the dirt unless they want you to hear it. This is an area that is so exclusive, people have so much money. They want to keep it as clean as possible. They do not want their dirty laundry aired. And they will go to great lengths to do that. They have to keep the property. values up. They have to keep the money flowing out. The rich people have to feel they can go there safely and do whatever it is they want to do. Most don't do illicit things, but some do. This is an area where you're going to see people who are going to turn a blind eye to things and just either not want to believe it. It's not too different from the Upper East side of Manhattan. People think the Upper East Side of Manhattan is just a playground for the rich in many ways it can be. But there's

also dirtiness behind the covers. You know, Dan Murphy, when you hear phrases thrown around like police are being tight-lipped we can't get answers nobody's talking swept under the rug you don't know where to start exactly we know so little about this basically

we had to fight to find out the name of the yacht it's ripple that said when you don't know where to start you start with the victim who is she listen hi I'm Martha the founder CEO crew director

you name it, of East by East. We are launching a resort wear line soon. We just got our first round of samples back. And I wanted to share some first looks with you and see what you think. We got another crochet. This is Florlem. It's absolutely stunning on. I tried it on.

I think this will be a best seller. Living her best life, posting pictures with friends on private jets, helicopters, and yachts. Martha is becoming a legend as the founder of fashion label East by East. Straight out to Greg Morse, veteran trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney at Morse legal and author of The Untested on Amazon. Greg, she's being made out to be a party girl. I don't think that's true. And I'll tell you why. Everything I have been able to find out about her is that she was raised in a very small town, very small town.

her dream was to, quote, make it in New York, and she has worked night and day, clawed, tooth and nail to create her own business. I don't know if this is the Hampton's PR machine behind the scenes painting her to be the party girl so people don't care. Basically, she asked for it. She got it. Have you ever seen that happen where the victim is maligned? Yeah, you see that in these wealthy areas. I've been practicing law for 25 years in Palm Beach, one of the wealthiest zip codes in the world. And police, law enforcement in these places, like in Montauk, the Hamptons, a rich zip code.

They're, in my opinion, paid to keep things quiet for the residents. Tisa hit the nail on the head when she talked about these communities wanting to present safety. wanting to present. There's no crime. We see that a lot also in Boca Raton in South Florida, the way statistics are manipulated. So they want to, in this case, it sounds like they're trying to make it seem like maybe she didn't belong, who cares, a quote-unquote, you know, person that's not normal out here. So this won't happen again. She does seem a little bit like maybe accelerating her success through social media. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

You know, I want to go to Dr. Chloe Carmichael, jumping off what Greg Morse just told us. Dr. Chloe, we're now a psychologist and author of Nervous Energy, Harness the Power of Your Anxiety. Dr. Chloe, much has been made also not only for her being called a party girl, which I don't think is true. from what I can tell about the victim she has worked as I said day and night climbed tooth and claw to create her business you know how hard it is to break into fashion designing people quit before they even start because it's so hard to do much less in New York City and somehow she managed to get in out in the Hamptons also she's being mocked for what she posts online hey So many people do it. They make their life seem ideal.

My daughter was looking at breakfast the other day on Insta and getting recipes and she makes these beautiful organic breakfast for herself. And it shows somebody like posing looking at the sunrise in a yoga position with a bowl of organic strawberries in front of them. Really? That is not real. So I don't fault her. I mean, look at the Kardashians.

You think all that's real? No, it's not. A lot of it is posed to give an image, an image that will help them with their business. They're not idiots, okay? That's what she's doing. I don't like her being mocked for it. No, absolutely, Nancy, as you said in New York City to make it in the fashion world, even the young people from FIT, the fashion institute there that I've worked with,

they are some of the most hardworking, not to mention oftentimes beautiful, just like this beautiful young woman. And so, no, I definitely wouldn't think that just because she's putting out great content online, that, hello, she's in the fashion business, of course she's going to be putting out, you know, image conscious material that makes perfect sense. And to your point earlier about nothing good happening after Vennight, from a psychological perspective, it's actually very true because tempers flare, people sometimes, you know, if there was foul play here, people, you know, maybe have been drinking all day or using drugs. throughout the day. Also on a yacht, we're talking about a place that's off limits to the police, for example. So there's a very a sense of privacy. Guys, we're showing video that she has posted. Now, I guarantee you she is sharing this private plane with somebody. Somebody's given her a ride and she is like so many celebrities giving the appearance that she has a private

plane. Well, she is on a private plane. They cost a lot of money over 20 grand. Let's take a look at more. What more do we know about Martha? Hello, hello. My name is Martha. I am the founder and CEO of East by East. So East by East is a resort where a brand. East by East stands for New York for the Hamptons. Our tagline is built in the city made for the sun. I absolutely adore it. I think it resonates with so many people on so many levels because I feel at some point everyone in their lives are, you know, grinding, city life, but everyone's just destined for the sun. I know I am and pretty much everyone else is. So I think it's very fitting. She was putting out the social, putting it out, putting it out, trying to get eyes on her workplace, her fashion designs. But

what about the night she's found dead on a yacht? Just after midnight, the calm over the serene Montauk Yacht Club is shattered by the sounds of a scream. Passers-by rush to a boat in the marina where a man is standing over an unconscious woman. Soon the marina is filled with the sound of sirens, but the woman isn't rushed to the hospital. First responders declare the woman dead on the scene. When Martha Nolan's boyfriend, the owner of the yacht named Ripple, is seen wrong. Running naked and screaming, regulars at the Montauk Yacht Club in East Hampton aren't shocked, accustomed to the owner being drunk and always messed up.

Wait, did I just hear Tisa Tells that a guy's running around naked? So I'm going to throw that into the mix. She's dead on a yacht in Montauk, the Hamptons, after midnight, and now I've got a guy running around naked. Correct? What is that? Running around and screaming. at the top of his lungs. That's my girlfriend.

That's my girlfriend. Running around naked. No one knew what to do. The police were actually on the scene from 4 a.m. on, I reached out to my sources that are actually in the Montauk area, the Hampton area. And the most shocking thing about this is how people scratching their head about what exactly happened to that girlfriend, even though police were actively on that scene, they were actively looking for clues.

This is an active investigation. Again, the police cannot say what exactly happened. They are even puzzled. And while police are looking for evidence, people are in the pool lounging like nothing happens. Again, it makes me look at Montauks, their crime figures of nothing ever happens here. It makes me side eye them because even when something has happened, people seem to not care. It really gets a sinister angle to what's going on. Again, we have to wait for the results of the investigation, but something is not right.

It is giving Twin Peaks David Lynch era creepiness surrounded by money, wealth, and influence. Dan Murphy, that's total BS. They have no idea what happened to her. I mean, you can look at a body and tell, is it stabbed, or they strangled, can't always tell if they're affixated or suffocated. You can very often tell if somebody's been poisoned by the way. way they smell or whether there's foam coming out of their mouth, that sometimes takes toxicology, ODs take toxicology, but you look for bruises, you look for injection sites.

There is no way, they have no idea what happened to her. That's not true. When you look at a scene, a scene will tell you a great many things about what happened to that body at the scene. That's why crime scene investigation and evidence recovery is so important in documentation of that. In this situation, any dead body that's found under suspicious circumstances, that area is considered a crime scene. Whether or not there was alcohol or drugs or anything else in that area, we don't know. They're being tight-lipped, as they said. And they might be tight-lipped. It might be

smart to be. Put Dan Murphy up. Dan Murphy, look, nobody on this panel just fell off the turnip truck, Murphy. You put a dead woman. after midnight on a yacht in the Hamptons, screams, and a naked guy? Is somebody suggesting that this was just death by natural causes? This young girl kills over with what? A heart attack? I'm not suggesting that. I mean, I don't know, but I do know this much.

I know that the scene will tell you a great deal more they haven't told us. The scene itself, the body, you're right. When you examine a body of the scene, it's not nearly as thorough as an autopsy. However, there are many things you can look for that will tell you something about the death, evidence of patechial hemorrhaging. We'll tell you if there's asphyxia. The beautiful 33-year-old shares glimpses of her life online, pop-up shops in Montauk, New York, rooftop drinks, and private jet getaways with her boyfriend.

But behind the curated posts, something darker may have been brewing. What happened to this beautiful? young fashion designer that was finally making it after working her fingers to the bone for years and years coming from a small town getting her education and working literally like a dog. Then she's thrown into the Maloo at the Hamptons, specifically the Montauk Yacht Club. So far, they're not responding to calls and questions. Hmm, wonder why. You know, they don't want to be near anything.

close to a dead woman's body on a yacht parked at their yacht club. No. No wonder they're not returning phone calls or emails. Same thing with the LE there. Law enforcement. You can't pin them down. Why the secrecy? Well, first of all, when you don't know where to go, you look at your victim because that's all you've got. Let's take another look at her. Hi, I'm Martha. The founder. career director you name it of east by east we are launching a resort wear line soon we just got our first round of samples back and i wanted to share some first looks with you and see what you think we got another crochet this is floor then you can see the feeding the details absolutely stunning on i tried it on um i think this will be a best seller okay

Hearing to the rich and privileged there in the Hampton, specifically Montauk, again, joining me an all-star panel. Straight out to Sidney Sumner, joining me, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Sydney, what can you tell me about the Montauk Yacht Club? Well, Nancy, this is a very big yacht club spanning 16 acres. They have access to one of the largest marinas in the Hamptons. There's a restaurant. There's a pool. They have paddle boards and chairs set out on the beach for people to enjoy.

They have tennis. There's plenty of space to host events. And as far as I know, this is a very high-end area. This is a very expensive resort, say, if you were to stay here for the weekend. And I think it's frequented by celebrities. What more can you tell me, Chesa? The Montauk Joc Club is exclusive. It is sexy.

It is everything that you would see from a show like billions where they're having their summer holiday. The cheapest room during high season is $1,500, okay? To dock in the marina, they have some of the highest marina docking fees to pull your boat, yacht, whatever they want to call it. We know rich people like calling yachts boats, okay. Whatever they want to call it, the downplay the old money, they have some of the highest docking fees. On top of that, the rich are cowering, are literally fighting in line to get their boats dock. They have an exclusive private beach. Miles and miles are some of the best beach at the end of the Hamptons in Montauk,

some of the best beach out there that is only exclusive to the guest. You must be someone, okay? Your bank account must have high self-esteem for you to be there. But the thing is about Montauk that is actually really offensive about the way they're classifying this victim as the party girl. No offense, but if you are in the partying, you will be in Hampton. mom talk is where people that work hard that are either generational or self-made money go to relax have some glamour but also disappear okay a party boat in the montauk in the with the montag yacht club at the dock is not going to be accepted and it's not going to be tolerated again what do we have a woman that got herself out of a small town okay rags to register story managed heads. She managed funds. She managed a lot of businesses until she got enough

capital because she was smart. She was in, she had a good brain on her shoulders. She got enough capital in a dog eat dog fashion industry, which by the way, in New York, everybody's trying to be either a model, an actress, a fashion designer. Everybody's trying to be in there. She rose to the top in a dog eat dog, okay? And she was there celebrating just three weeks earlier she had finally launched her clothing brand, which was actually photographed in Montauk by the Montauk Yacht Club. Okay, this girl was beautiful, smart. She was a go-getter.

She was found in an exclusive yacht club where only the wealthy go-to actually disappear and be quiet. Wait a minute, right there that really narrows my suspects. If you're at the quote exclusive Montauk Yacht Club, I mean, how many members are there? Again, I have a hard time. Dr. Thomas Coyne joining us. Chief Medical Examiner, District 2 Medical Examiner's Office, State of Florida.

Never a lack of business. Pathologists, toxicologist, neuropathologist, and more. Dr. Coyne, that's total BS, that they have no idea the COD cause of death. I was talking to Dan Murphy about it earlier, about why would a cop even say? that unless they wanted to keep it on the low down, because you can look at a body and see, is there a stab, is there a gunshot wound, is there a ligature, is there a manual? You can't always tell us fixation, poison, OD, but you can get a really good idea, right? But yeah, there was no violent means of death here, but it doesn't mean that she didn't die of something related to

toxicology. I would also say that, you know, in this case, there was no report of her having a significant natural disease. She's young, but, you know, she could still have, you know, pulmonary embolus or blood clot in her lungs or, for instance, an aorticisection, perhaps even like a ruptured ecoptic practice. Put him up. Coyne. There he is.

Dr. Coyne. Yep. If there was something that was significantly natural. You graduated near the top of your class in medical school. I know you're a toxicologist, a pathologist, and so much more. But you're, actually, I had to see your face. I want to make sure you're saying this with a straight face. It's after midnight.

You got a guy running around naked and drunk, apparently. On a yacht at Ritzimontok, Yacht Club, a dead girl screams. And you're actually saying maybe she died of natural causes. No, no, no. I'm saying there wasn't any natural. If they had found a natural cause, it would have released that with the cause of death. So I'm saying that they didn't find anything that would suggest a natural cause either. To me, if I would a betting person, I would put my chips in the toxicology file.

Because, again, like I said, not having any violent means identify at autopsy. I would I would wait for the toxicology report. Okay, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Dr. Coyne. Remember, you're a medical doctor. We're just mere mortals. Dan Murphy, I want you to break it down and cop talk everything. coin just said because when he says it's going to be toxicology in other words she could have been slipped to roofie and had a reaction or too many ruffies think natalie holloway remember natalie who you're in a van der sleut who lies through his rear end just imagine that just

one moment lying through your rear end yeah that would be right lying through his rear end that she choked on her own vomit and we all believe she had been slipped a substance in her drink at Carlos and Charlies, that would be voluntary manslaughter, at the least, if not murder, felony murder. In other words, when you slip somebody a roofie, a date rape drug, or anything in their drink, that is an aggravated assault akin to shooting them or stabbing them or hitting them in the head with a rock. That's an aggravated assault.

So if someone dies during an aggravated assault or any other felon, you know, like burglary, like rape, that equals felony murder. A death occurred during the commission of a felony. It can be any felony. But if a death occurs during it, here's a great example. You and I decide to rob a bank. And before we go in, I say, listen, Murphy, nobody's dying today. Nobody's going to die.

Okay? Don't pull your gun. You go in and the first thing you do is shoot the teller dead. I'm just trying to get some money, but I'm going to be charged of felony murder because a death occurred while I'm committing a felony. So if anyone put something in her drink and she dies, that can be a felony murder. So when he is saying toxicology, that can mean a whole lot of things. Yeah, toxicology is going to tell you a lot of things, but it may not tell you a lot of things, exactly how those substances got into her body, if that is what the cause of death is determined. to be. Now, in this situation, we always look at the totality of the circumstances. We had these

screams being heard by other people in an area where you do not hear screams unless it's probably somebody laughing loud. We've got screams heard from a young woman on a yacht. We've got a naked guy running around screaming like a lunatic. That's my girlfriend. That's my girlfriend. You know, another thing. Hold on right there. Right there, Dan Murphy, before we lose a thought, Greg Morris, something Murphy just said, normally, if this were anywhere but the Hamptons, you would see the boyfriend, the naked boyfriend, and he would be on the front page of the post with a little black box digitally removed penis. Okay, we wouldn't show that.

He'd be on the front of the Hampton's News, the Montauke News, the Montauke News, the The everything. But we can't even get his name. Again, he hasn't been charged with anything. But I mean, something, the owner of the yacht, the witness. Why aren't we seeing anything? And no one has attributed any wrongdoing to him yet. Where is he?

Yeah, well, that's again, like other people have talked about. This is a wealthy area. It's right by the memory motel, made famous by the rolling. stones. They made a song about the hotel. But this is being kept quiet because it's a rich dip code and it'll hurt tourism. And this is what happens in places that perceive themselves as special because of money. During a glamorous summer trip in Montauk, New York, 33-year-old Martha Nolan O'Slattera boards a so-called party boat. But her dream life takes a chilling turn. Party girl, party girl. Why are they saying that about her? Do they think

We won't care. They did something similar in the Long Island serial killer case, Rex Ehrim and Mahi, Rottenhill, waiting for trial, who murdered one sex worker after the next. After the next, there's even a child that was murdered, I guess, because the child was with the mom. All of those victims have been dragged through the mud, like we wouldn't care about them. Are they doing the same thing with Martha? How would you feel this work, your child, and she's being portrayed like that? She is anything but a party girl. Listen.

Growing up, Martha studies commerce at university before earning a master's in digital marketing from the Smurfid Business School. Describing herself as the small town girl who needed to get out to achieve her big dreams, Martha says fashion is a tough industry and it would be a slow road. At 26, she leaves her small town and relocates to New York City. Martha begins launching pop-up events to promote her summerwear fashion label East by East in the Hamptons and quickly gains recognition. But, yeah, we launched about two years ago, and we had our first retail location pop-up in Montau, in the Montau Beach House. And, yeah, we'll be going back there this summer, so you will see us there.

We'll be doing some brand activations, some brand partnerships, some. like wellness stuff and we'll also, of course, throw some parties, some cool parties with really cool DJs. So, yeah, stay tuned for that. I wonder how much she was trying to scramble to find a place to throw a pool party for her rich clients. But listen to what she did. She grows up in a small town, studies commerce at university before getting a master's degree in digital marketing and somehow reaches her goal of relocating in New York City, very hard to do. It is a dog eat dog world, launching pop-up events to promote her fashion label. And finally, she launches a retail location in Montauk, Walton Beach House.

Wow. Okay. Cindy Sumner joining us, Crime Stories Investigative Reporter. What can you tell me about that? Because I'm thinking, Sid, she put all this online, anybody can read it. She's basically saying, here I am, come and get me. Yes, she was a very frequent social media user because she needed to promote her fashion line. And now, there was a separate social media presence for East by East, but Martha Nolan herself was also always posting about her brand trying to make it.

bigger. So lots of people knew who she was, had met her in person. I'm sure she spent days and days at her pop up. It wasn't just somebody running it. I'm sure she was there herself as someone who is so driven and wants to succeed and wants their brand to succeed. And it's also heartbreaking. We saw a post from Martha's best friend who funded East by East, saying goodbye to her and saying, what a good friend she was and how inspired and how successful he hoped she would be with this line. So it was heartbreaking to see that. But yeah, so people were very, very familiar with her life just from her social media presence. It opens it up to, opens the whole investigation up to a lot more suspects because of her social media presence,

advertising where she is. But what do we know about that night? Listen. It's such a chill resort. It's such a chill atmosphere. You never see anything remotely like this. So it was unnerving. After the East Hampton Town Police and first responders pronounced Martha dead, the county's homicide squad arrives on scene around 4 a.m. and takes over the investigation.

The preliminary investigation and exam were inconclusive regarding the cause of death and an autopsy was performed by the Suffolk County Medical Examiner. Final cause of death is pending further examination. So you just think of Montauk as, you know, a happy place. Yeah, and people come out here to vacation, spend their time with their family. It's just a very small, quaint, safe town. From our friends at NBC. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

To Dr. Thomas Coyne, medical examiner, pathologists, toxicologists, neuropathologists, what will they be doing in the autopsy to determine COD specifically since they're telling us right now that there's not any obvious sign of death. In other words, no stab marks. But, you know, when you think about it, Dr. Coyne, remember Ellen Greenberg stabbed 30 times and including in the back and the police said that was a suicide. Okay. with Epstein, he's clearly got a ligature mark across horizontally his neck, not a U-shaped mark

he would find in a hanging. And they said, that was a suicide. So how will we get the truth? And what will the coroner or medical examiner be looking at to determine her COD? And those two examples, the problem really was a manner of death. But the cause of death in this case, they did a thorough autopsy, which included an external and internal examination. So they would have been able to determine if she had any fatal injuries.

As I mentioned, skull fractures, bleeding in the brain or around the brain, stab wounds, gunshot wounds, or evidence of strangulation. With regards to natural disease, obviously there's no significant natural disease processes, but they're probably going to continue to do additional histological sections. When you say that, Dr. Coyne, can we clarify, when you say no evidence of natural disease, you mean like cancer? No obvious cancer or structural heart defects. So a young person, very rare for a person I'm per age to have a heart attack, right?

But there are certain underlying cardiomyopathies or congenital heart defect that can cause a sudden cardiac dysrhythmia where they can, you know, a heart stop. Put him up. You're back on a heart attack, on a young girl, on a yacht at heart attack with a naked boyfriend at midtime. Sure. I've seen everything. I think you need to get off the natural call. causes, doctor?

I know you keep going back to natural causes. I think it was a natural cause. You asked me what they're doing with the autopsy procedure. Because they did not find anything to indicate a fatal injury, they're going to look a little bit deeper to make sure there wasn't an underlying genetic variation that could cause a sudden heart rhythm abnormality while they're waiting for toxicology results to come back. So they're going to keep everything open just to make sure they can find a cause of death. But right now, there's no obvious causes.

death. There's no fatal injury that they could see on the external or internal examination. So like I said, right now they're going to follow up a toxicology testing, and they may do additional testing to try to catch something that they couldn't see with their eyes at the autopsy. So for instance, like myocarditis or inflammation in the brain, something that you have to use a microscope to find. That's a last ditch, you know, resort finding. But right now, they're just waiting on toxicology because there was no obvious fatal injury that they were able to see during the autop. Dr. Coyne, how do you determine if someone was, for instance, slipteruthy, GHB, gamma hydroxybutyrate,

how do you determine that? So I would have a toxicology report that would just label or identify, excuse me, the drugs that were found. If it's an unusual substance like rhupinol or, for instance, GHB, you would have to then turn back to your law enforcement officers and try to figure out how they have obtained that drug. Because at autopsy, and even the toxicology report, it wouldn't tell me how to you physically do it, coin? Do you take tissue? What is tissue? How much do you take?

Where do you get it? Do you draw blood? How long can you draw? How long can you have a dead body and still draw blood? I mean, how do you get it? Sure. So we take blood at autopsy. We get blood if available.

We'll try to get any other fluids that may be present in the body. So eye fluid or vitreous fluid, we get urine, we can get bile. we can also get tissue. So sometimes our cases are decomposed. We'll have to try to obtain tissue to see if we can find the presence of a drug. That may not allow us to tell you the amount of the drug or a good idea of what that person had in their system at the time of death, but it at least allow us to identify a drug. And in this case, you know, she was pronounced dead unseen, but there was no evidence of decomposition.

She probably died at some time after midnight before she was found. So therefore, she should have plenty of blood for testing as well. as well as other fluids. As the body ages, say when you're getting to two hours, five hours, 10 hours, is it harder to get blood out of a body to test and when you say we obtain tissue? What does that mean? You scrape some skin cells. You get a piece of her liver.

What does that mean? Break it down. I didn't get my MD. I'm just a trial. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. So it's very easy to obtain blood at autopsy from a person who was recently deceased.

So all the blood is still going to be present within their vascular system and within their heart. So we try to obtain blood from both a peripheral source and a heart source because after death, drugs that are in blood can redistribute. So you want to make sure you're not looking at an abnormal finding. So you want to get both blood sites to compare for toxicology. For tissue, as I mentioned, you can go with the eye. What does that mean, man? Speak English.

Sure, sure. When you say obtain blood, I mean, what, you put in a needle and you would draw blood just like you would, a living person would at the doctor. Then he said two sites. What do you mean by that? One off this arm, one off that arm? Or do you mean blood and vitreous fluid from the eye? What is bile? Man, I have to work with you before I put you on the stand coin.

You get, no, you get blood from a peripheral source like the femoral vein, you know, your leg vein. So I'm doing the autopsy I'm opening the body up I have access to all of those blood vessels as well as the heart So you literally use a needle And you have pain blood from the heart Or you obtain blood from any vein

That you can find that has visible blood You have access to the bladder So you literally put a needle into the bladder And you pull urine out You have access to the eyes So you put a needle in the eyes And you pull vitreous fluid out Your bile is in your gallbladder

Under your liver You've obtained bile So you try to get as much fluid as you can Then you have access to liver tissue for testing. You may also get skeletal muscle. You can get brain tissue for testing. So you try to obtain as many tissues as you can. So you have plenty of samples for testing.

Blood curdling screams heard in the middle of the night at the Montauk Yacht Club. First responders board the boat to find 33-year-old Martha Nolan O'Slatera unconscious. A night of partying now shrouded in mystery. A night of partying. what is he talking about? We don't know that. All we know, she's dead on a yacht. She's very young, very beautiful, screams wake up neighbors, and a naked man's running around. That's what I know. And I am not buying natural causes. Oh, no. Why is she being painted as a so-called party girl? It sounds to me that she worked her whole life to get where she is right now and finally had a tiny taste of success

and is dead on a yacht. This is not going to be swept under any rug. And I don't care if it's a fancy Persian rug and somebody's second mansion in Montauk. No, N-O. It's not the first time. Murder has scarred the Hamptons, although they would like you to think that's never happened.

Does the name Sabina Corumdale ring a bell? He was supporting Sabina for, I believe, the two years they were together. He was really helping support her artistic endeavors. New York artist Sabina Coromdel has made quite the name for herself with an art theory blog, The Ruyo Journal. But funding Sabina's lifestyle is her boyfriend, Thomas Gannon. The couple checks into the Ritzie Hampton Spa, Shoshugi Bonhouse. But come Monday morning, a housekeeper finds Sabina violently murdered,

and Gannon nowhere to be found. Speaking with her lift driver on the way to the spa, a reporter discovers the driver actually took Gannon to his Pennsylvania home hours before Sabina was found dead. The woman that I'm actually reporting on was found dead in her room, you know, hours later. My gut instinct was like, this is just too strange. What would a man be walking out of his spa at 8 in the morning asking for a lift?

That's for our friends at True. news. Wow, does anybody see the similarities to Dr. Chloe Carmichael joining us, renowned psychologist? Dr. Chloe, another young, beautiful, female entrepreneur. Dead. Hamptons. Yes, Nancy. It's really quite incredible. Obviously, we don't know if there's, you know, a connection. But what we do know, of course, about the Hamptons is that there's a lot of power and a lot of money. Sometimes that can create a lot of drive and a lot of passion. Maybe people who feel like they're very used to getting their own way. Also, unfortunately, I've been to the Hamptons myself. I've not participated in the drug culture there, but I have witnessed it firsthand. We do know that things can get very hot,

very out of hand in the Hamptons. So perhaps we do have some foul play at issue here. I've been there too. Normally, when I was invited to speak for a charity, I was totally a dog upstairs. You know, he knows he's not supposed to be up there, but he's up there, right? He knows he's going to get in trouble for being there. That's what that felt like. It wasn't just Sabina. Ted Ammon.

The Hampton sees a murder investigation when Ted Amon is found beaten to death in his multi-million dollar mansion. Just a day before he was set to sign divorce papers with wife, Generosa, who had already moved on, with high school dropout and convicted felon, Danny Pelosi. The couple marries just three months later, Gena Rosa and Pelosi already under suspicion for murder. Pelosi challenges Generosa's will. And more on Ammon. And it was that weekend that Ted had to die

because Monday the agreement was supposed to be signed. The woman told me 100 times she was going to kill her husband. A hundred times. Maybe this time it happened. But a hundred times she left to kill her husband. The person who committed the crime is the one that took the hard drive out and disposed of it. And who was that person? Oh, that was definitely Danny Pelosi. And that from our friends at 48 hours, what rich people do for even more money?

I mean, Dan Murphy, a homicide detective vet, star of Gold Shields podcast. You know, it's a whole other mindset. What really wealthy people will do, they'll kill to get more money so that nobody, as they perceive it, takes their money or to cover up something normally to do with money. It's hard to get into their heads. Yeah. When it comes to money and greed, I've seen people out of greed do things that they probably would never have envisioned themselves doing. And there's also the desire to hold on to or build upon a lifestyle that you want. And this has driven many people to either hire someone to kill somebody or to take it into their own hands. This is not uncommon at all.

And it's a motivating factor for many people for homicide. If you know or think you know anything about the death of this beautiful young fashion designer found dead on somebody's expensive yacht, please dial 631-852-6396-396-3-1-6-3-1-6-6-3-1. 852-6396. Nancy Grace, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast.