Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Mom-murder at CHUCK E. CHEESE

Episode Date: November 17, 2020

A 29-year-old mother of five was shot and killed during her son's birthday party at an Iowa Chuck E. Cheese. Eloise Childs was shot in the shoulder by the friend of another mother. The women argued after accusations that a child's game card had been taken. Treshonda M. Pollion, 24, is being held without bond, charged with first-degree murder. Joining Nancy Grace Today: James Shelnutt - 27 years Atlanta Metro Major Case detective, SWAT Officer (RET) Attorney www.shelnuttlawfirm.com Psych - Dr. Debbie Joffe-Ellis - Psychologist, Adjunct Professor at Columbia University, www.debbiejoffeellis.com  Robert Crispin - Private Investigator “Crispin Special Investigations” www.crispinsinvestigations.com Dr. Tim Gallagher - Medical Examiner State of Florida Tom Loewy - Quad City Times, Reporter, Davenport Iowa, TIPLINE: Crime Stoppers of the Quad Cities - 309-762-9500 Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Everybody knows the name Chuck E. Cheese. Every parent knows it. I remember when we were living in LA during Dancing with the Stars to get the twins to play school every day, we would have to drive right by a Chuck E. Cheese. And it worked for weeks and weeks and weeks. It would tell the children to look the other way so they wouldn't see Chuck E. Cheese would make something up like, look at the butterfly, look at the monkey, look at this. Because once they saw it, it's like a magnet. It's fun. It's fun for children, not necessarily parents, but it's universal.

Chuck E. Cheese is known across the country for children's fun, not for murder. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Who would think that a day at Chuck E. Cheese with all of your children celebrating a fifth birthday would turn deadly? Listen to this. Police are investigating after someone was shot at Chuck E. Cheese off Kimberly Road in Davenport. It happened at around 7.30. Davenport police and the Scott County Sheriff's Office responding to the scene. Limited details from police right now. We're not sure who the shooting victim is, but police do tell us it was at least not a young child. The

victim's condition also not being released at this time. No arrests have been made. The investigation is ongoing. A shooting at Chuck E. Cheese and a packed play area full of children, infants, moms. Why? While one group is having a birthday party, somebody gets gunned down? Again, thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation Series XM 111. Let me introduce to you an all-star panel to break it down and put it back together again. First of all, with me, James Shelnut, 27 years Metro major case, including SWAT, now lawyer at ShelnutLawFirm.com. Dr. Debbie Jaffe-Ellis, psychologist, instructor at Columbia University at DebbieJoffieEllis.com. Robert Crispin, former cop in Florida, now the founder of Crispin Special Investigation, PIs. Dr. Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the entire state of Florida, joining us.

And Tom Lowy, special guest joining us from the Quad City Times in Davenport, Iowa. You were just hearing from our friends at WQAD, but listen now to WHBF. A Davenport mother of five was killed on Sunday night inside a Chuck E. Cheese. While a five-year-old's birthday party was taking place, a deadly shooting shook the area. We were quite shocked. We saw it on the news feed and just could not believe that something like this would be happening here in the Old Town Mall area. It's probably one of the safer places in town, but we always say it's a great traffic area, a lot of traffic up and down Kimberly Road. Bill Perkins owns American National Insurance and he has been in the Old Town Mall for five years. At first, police did not release who the victim was, other than it was not a little child. Now

we know it's a mother. Turns out to be a mother of five, shot down in a Chuck E. Cheese. Straight out to special guests joining us from the Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. Tom Lowy, again, thank you for being with us. First of all, explain to me, where is this Chuck E. Cheese? Well, this Chuck E. Cheese is kind of a little more north in Davenport, but in general, kind of central Davenport. It's up off the downtown. It's on a busy street. Kimberly Road is a major thoroughfare. I live on Kimberly Road, not too far from where this took place, probably about two miles from where it took place. It's about a two-minute drive, three-minute drive over to Chuck E. Cheese. So it was shocking for a lot of people. It's a, it's a, you know, popular place, obviously, as you mentioned at the top of your show, popular place for kids, easy place for parents to kind of

take a group of kids to have a good time for a birthday party or any other kind of celebration. You know, we think of Iowa, we don't think of Crime Wave. It just doesn't fit together. I know Davenport is on the Mississippi River, eastern Iowa. It's got that awesome art museum, a lot of attractions. When we say Davenport, how big is it? Davenport is about a population of around 100,000, maybe a little more. It's not a big city. It's got some big city problems. Scott County, which houses Davenport, is 172,000. So a concentration of population in Davenport. It's the population center. To Tom Loewy, Quad City Times there in Davenport. I looked up Davenport and it describes it very well. it sounds beautiful. It's located on the banks of the Mississippi, vibrant, progressive, and declared the most livable small city in America.

Business friendly. It sounds great. Culture, shopping, civic service, opportunities. Tell me about the Chuck E. Cheese. I understand that there was a birthday party going on inside. Yes, it's a popular place located just off Kimberly Road, which is a little bit north of the downtown, but kind of central Davenport. And it's in a nice suburban area. You know, to Robert Crispin, private investigator, Crispin Special Investigations, what is making this so egregious in addition to gunning down a mother of five? You know that at least her children were there. If she's in a Chuck E. Cheese, you know her children have got to be there.

I'm sure she's not going there to play the games. But all the other children and all the moms in there and dads, somebody opens fire inside a play area like that? It makes it egregious that it's happening at a place that's well-known across the country. It's filled with kids and parents and everyone having a great time. And, you know, some people just don't care where they intend to hurt people, whether it's other kids, other parents, some people when they're on a mission, they're on a mission. They don't care who's around or where you are. James Sheldon, 27 years Metro major case detective, SWAT, now lawyer. Could you explain what is a ricochet?

Yeah, absolutely. You know, whenever a bullet is fired, it continues to travel until something stops it or until it runs out of energy. And nine out of ten times, it's going to stop when it hits something. A ricochet is when a bullet passes through something or hits something going in one direction and then it deflects in another direction. A great example of that would be if the victim in this case is shot and the bullet continued through, it could have hit anyone or anything behind it and completely change directions and hit something at the end of that direction as well. That's something very well could be a little child in Chuck E. Cheese. I mean, for those of you that don't know what Chuck E. Cheese is, describe what's inside. You know, I've been to Chuck E. Cheese.

You know, we've got five kids from 3 to 19, and every one of them has been inside Chuck E. Cheese for a birthday party at some point. And when you go inside Chuck E. Cheese, you know, of course, you've got your menu items, the pizza that you can order and other things, but there's tons of video games. And what you do is you buy a card and you load that card with credits and you stick that card into each game that you want to play. And you continue to use that card that's loaded with money until that card runs out of credit. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about a murder that goes down in a packed Chuck E. Cheese.

You know what it is, because the logo, I think, is a mouse that's Chuck E. And that goes round and around and around on a sign above every Chuck E. Cheese. But the reason my husband and I called it Satan is because, unbeknownst to me, I was off working all day and dancing with the stars. We practiced literally eight to nine hours a day. And then I'd go to HLM. My husband, David, took the children to Chuck E. Cheese repeatedly. You know why he had to quit going to Chuck E. Cheese? Because he lost John David every single time he went. And nobody told me. I would come home with my feet literally bleeding. And I'd say, what did you guys do while I was gone? It was killing me that I couldn't be with him. Oh, you know, I picked him

up from school. We went to Chuck E. Cheese. I had no idea that the reason they stayed at Chuck E. Cheese so long, the four or five times they got to go, is because he lost John David every time. Why did he lose John David? Because the place is so packed. I mean, it's like you can't even see your child because it feels like hundreds of children in there and everybody's having a good time. Music is playing. They're all playing the games. I mean, it's really a lot of fun for them, not for moms or dads. So that's why I'm talking about a ricochet.

It's packed with children. Listen to this. We are following developing news this morning. Davenport police have two homicide investigations on their hands, one of them at Chuck E. Cheese on East Kimberly Road. Police responded as shots fired around 7.40 p.m. last night. An unresponsive woman was found inside the business. She had been shot.

The woman was taken to a hospital where she was pronounced dead. This investigation is ongoing. Anyone with information is asked to contact the police. And then when you try to get witnesses, you look around, they're all about three years old. You were hearing our friends at KLIB Fox 18 just then. How do you find out what happened? Have you learned in all the years, to you Robert Crispin, former cop in for Lauderdale turned private eye that in a packed area like that, in a confined space, a lot of times people are hearing music and all those games make so much noise. If they hear a gunshot,

they don't even realize what they're hearing. Plus, they're all four years old. Listen, I can tell you from working shootings in the past, a lot of witnesses never heard a shot. They actually never heard the shot in a crowded room. They didn't even know somebody got shot. They had no clue. But those witnesses that do hear, they freak out and they start to run and everyone starts running in every direction. And every witness is going to have a different account of what they saw. You're going to have 20 witnesses. You're going to have 20 different versions. They're all going to kind of be the same, but they're going to be seen from 20 different people from 20 different angles, which helps law enforcement put all this together. And then we go back to the good old video.

Well, I assume that you're right. There's a video that is working in Chuck E. Cheese. I'll never forget when it first hit me. It was during the Chandra Levy case where the high-rise where she lived in D.C., the D.C. intern that ends up dead at Rock Camp Park. They had video cameras above the elevators that she would have walked out of to go out on the street seemingly to jog. But they repeated over every so many hours, like every 72 hours. And by the time cops got there, it had already taped over. Then we hear about video cameras that don't work or fake video cameras that are there to, you know, scare criminals away.

Long story short, I hope there's video. And you hear Crispin talking about a stampede. Those that do figure out there's been a gunshot start running. But let's bring it home. This isn't some anonymous woman dead on the floor of a Chuck E. Cheese surrounded by not only her five children, but many, many other children who witnessed a murder. Listen to David Price. This tragic night, babe, ruined my life. Ruined the kid's life.

David Price was with his fiance when she was shot and killed at Chuck E. Cheese Sunday night. The couple had been engaged for four months and just recently welcomed a baby girl. She had the energy to walk in the room and brighten up the whole room. She was an amazing woman. She was truly amazing. She was definitely the one for me. The smile, you know, she had a bright smile. Price said Cher's four young boys changed his life. Her and the boys, they completed me. They made me grow. Price said the last 24 hours. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was feeling like I was in a

different place. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was feeling like I was in a

different place. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was feeling like I was in a

different place. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was feeling like I was in a different place. I was up, reached her for her. She wasn't there, man. It's something different. It's something totally different. But it's going to be okay. You're hearing Carla Sosa, WHBF at Quad City, speaking to the fiancé, David Price. Straight up to Tom Lowy, Quad City Times in Davenport, when you hear his voice describing laying in bed, crying at night.

And then you think of the five children who no longer have their mom. Who has the five children that this woman was raising, her five children? Where are they now? Well, some of them have been returned to Chicago, where Ms. Chairs was from. For a time, I believe that they were separated for a little bit. But family members are doing their best to take care of them, care for them. Long term, I don't know where they're going to be. I believe they're returning to Chicago.

So it sounds like the five children are all being torn apart, and there's no guarantee they'll be together. To Dr. Debbie Jaffe Ellis, psychologist and professor at Columbia University, I can't imagine my twins, John David and Lucy, being torn apart to be raised separately. What does that do to a sibling? It all depends on who's raising each child. If each child is raised with unconditional love and the opportunity to visit their sibling, if they're raised with a climate of understanding and encouragement, it may not lead to any dire future traumatic symptoms in the person. However, if there's

isolation, if the child doesn't feel they're getting the same kind of unconditional love as they may have from their original biological parent, in this case the mother who was tragically murdered. It might lead to some anger issues, depression, anxiety, other problems. And I'm finding that a very tough pill to swallow, Dr. Debbie, because if my mother was shot dead in front of me, and then I was torn apart from the only thing I had in this world my siblings and uprooted from where I was living from Iowa and sent to Chicago

I think that there would be a lot of emotional issues to deal with but, I'm just a lawyer, but it seems to me that that would be life altering. I mean, for adults, they say that moving is one of the top, I guess, 10 traumatic things in your life, a death, and then being split apart from your family. Those are three of the top traumatic incidents for adults. And that doesn't include seeing, oh really? So it's not all adults that suffer trauma when somebody dies? It's not all, and there's plenty of evidence for this, Nancy. There are a number of factors involved. Each one of us is born with a different tendency. Some, and it's a biological thing as well as a learned thing. Some of us have a tendency to be more anxious, more traumatized, more depressed, more enraged.

Some of us don't. Debbie, Debbie, stop. If you could just answer the question. You're telling me it may not be traumatic. Yes, I am. To see your mother shot dead, your parent, your single mom shot dead in front of you, you move from your home to another city, and you're torn apart from your siblings. You're telling me that's not necessarily traumatic.

I'm telling you that it could be traumatic, but not necessarily for all people if the children are raised in loving ways. And the evidence for that is children who have been in war situations, terrorist situations where their parents have been murdered in front of them. Some of the children have traumatic problems throughout their lives and some don't. Well, that is good to know. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace guys we were talking about a mother of five children gunned down in front of her children at a chucky cheese on a sunday afternoon who would think that would happen that someone would open fire in a kid's jumpy house arcade area where they're having happy birthday parties. Take a listen to our friends at WHBF. A grieving father's unbearable pain. You know who goes with Chuck E. Cheese and never go back home again. Perry Hudson

is still trying to come to terms with the death of his kids mother Eloise chairs. I didn't go lie. I didn't believe it at first. I just looked at it and like you gotta be kidding. I didn't believe it until I got until her mom called me surrounded by his kids. Hudson tells me chairs was dedicated to her family. Man, a good person, caring. She loved her kids. I mean, she always put her kids first about everything. He says that's one of the hardest things to process is his kids wondering where their mom is. He kept asking for his mom and stuff, and he even went and tried to get in the van.

That's probably the hardest part. So the little boy trying to get up in his mom's bed, and she's not there. You know, I'm just thinking about this mother. To Tim Gallagher, I want to talk to you on several levels. You're the medical examiner for the whole state of Florida. But you have to deal with autopsies of moms, moms with children, depending on them. This was a single mom raising five children. How long would it have taken mom to bleed out there at a Chuck E. Cheese? What would the children have witnessed? That's what I'm trying to get at. Well, it appears that the gunshot was to her shoulder and it was fatal. So I'm thinking that

the bullet probably traveled from her shoulder into her lung, possibly into her heart, from a sidewards direction. If that's the case, that's the worst case scenario. The mother would have fallen to the ground. Her eyes would have been open. She would have been very aware that she had been shot. And then she would have the life would have just kind of faded out of her. She would have had decreased energy. The blood would be bleeding into her chest. She would be literally drowning in her own blood. And she may have spit some up. There may be some coming out of her nose and out of her mouth. And then she would have lost consciousness and expired shortly thereafter. You know, I remember very vividly Dr. Tim Gallagher, of course, as you know, my father

just passed away recently. But as a young girl, seeing him have a heart attack. And I woke up that morning and I heard my mom screaming his name. Mac, Mac, Mac. And I never heard screaming like that in our home. And I ran back and she was, I thought, hitting him. She was pounding his chest trying to revive him from a coronary thrombosis. And to this day, I mean, I was just a little girl when that happened for the first time, and I'll never forget it for the rest of my life. And I'm trying to take in what you're saying happened to the mom, her name Eloise

Chairs. What these children, I mean, plus what you're saying is being filtered through the eyes of children, Dr. Gallagher. I mean, when you perform autopsies, does it ever hit you that this was a mom of five? Or do you try to divorce yourself from those realizations in order to get your job done? Well, that's a good question, Nancy.

It's one I'm asked quite often. You know, you often do try to divorce yourself, but you never can completely do that. You know, I'm a person too, as well as my technicians and everybody that works for me. And we have mothers and we have daughters and we have family members, you know, that kind of may have gone through the same thing or may have gone through a traumatic thing, that brings back these memories for us. You know, and I've actually had doctors of mine who did not do or actually passed on the autopsy to another physician because the case was just too traumatic for them. You know, and that's something in this industry that is sort of overlooked. You know, there's a lot of doctors who do go through PTSD type of mental issues, you know, because of this thing.

This job isn't for everyone, you know, but if it's for you, it's a very good position. You know, I'm listening to what the ex-husband is saying, the father of the five children. He says, who goes into Chuck E. Cheese and doesn't come home? Who goes to Chuck E. Cheese and doesn't come home? I mean, back to you, James Shelnut, you've handled a lot of murder cases, as have you, Robert Crispin. But Shelnut, statistically, crimes are low on Sunday afternoons. In early mornings, any day of the week, and on a Sunday afternoon, you're going to see a much lower incident of crimes statistically.

And at a Chuck E. Cheese. So this ex, who speaks very fondly of Eloise Chairs, says, who goes to Chuck E. Cheese and doesn't come home? You die at Chuck E. Cheese? You know, if you think about senseless acts of violence, this is one of those. And look, no disrespect to our psychologists or psychiatrists on the line. Oh, we would never verbally attack somebody.

I have. I have worked a lot of homicides. And as a lawyer, one of the primary focuses of our firm is working wrongful death cases on the civil side. And I have to deal with families on both of those sides and all the way around. I have never once, not one time out of 30 plus years being in the law, dealt with someone who has lost a family member under tragic circumstances like that who told me that they ever got over it. You know, this is a little boy who was having a birthday party, a special magical time for a kid. That's a magical time for a child. You know that.

You've got kids. And from this point forward, his birthday will be an anniversary of his mother's death. And you have to wonder if every time that this child closes his eyes to make a birthday wish, is he seeing his mother laying on the ground bleeding and dying? This is just, this is something like Dr. Gallagher said, it affects everyone. It affects this child. It affects the crime scene technicians that come out and see this. It affects the detectives.

It affects the community. And it has the potential to significantly and permanently affect these children. It's just a horrible situation. James, I think I may have told you this or mentioned it in passing, but it was just my twins' birthday. And you know how close it came that I didn't have them, that we, Lucy and I almost died in childbirth. So they, believe it or not, have turned 13. I can't believe it. I planned their birthday. I've had so many birthdays like Eloise did, where you go to a jumpy house, or you go to a fun place, and you bring the cake and the pizza and all. This time,

I worked so hard because I can't take them to a jumpy house anymore, shall not. So my son went to laser tag and had a game truck that dug up the front yard, by the way. They had a great time. My daughter decided that she would have make your own pasta night. They now want separate birthdays. And she had a little friend over and they made pasta and ran around the house till three o'clock in the morning. Then on their birthday, I got up as usual before five and made a scavenger hunt for them to get to their presence. My point is, as a mom, I'm just thinking about her.

She's a single mom to these five children and she's trying to show the one a good time, a birthday party at their favorite Chuck E. Cheese. It's just, I'm just thinking about the scavenger hunt for the twins. And what if David or I got shot dead in front of the twins on their birthday, right in the middle of the scavenger hunt? I mean, it's overwhelming to me. crime stories with nancy grace guys a young mom eloise chairs let's say her name, Eloise Chairs, dies on the floor of a Chuck E. Cheese

trying to throw her little boy a fifth birthday party where there are other four children gathered around her. And like the dad says, who goes to Chuck E. Cheese and never comes back? But who in the hay would open fire on a mother of five? Take a listen to our friends at WQAD News 8. Kids and parents rushed outside the Davenport Chuck E. Cheese Sunday night. Police say a shooting inside claimed the life of 29-year-old Eloise Chairs. Her family telling News 8, Eloise was a mother of five, including a four-week-old infant.

According to her family, Eloise got into an argument with another mother at Chuck E. Cheese over their children's game cards. And that's when they say another woman pulled a gun. Police later arresting 24-year-old Trayshonda Pollian. What about the kids? I mean, that's immediately felt for the kids. The kids that were here, you know, for whatever reasons they were here. And that those those sounds of shots, gunshots, that those sounds will live on with those kids for the rest of their lives. Straight out to Tom Lowy, our special guest, joining us from Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa.

What happened? Who shot this mom? Treshawn Napoleon is a 24-year-old Davenport resident. And apparently there's an argument over a game card was mentioned earlier. You load up a game card. It allows you to play until the dollar amount on that game card is gone. And apparently it was an argument over a game card. We have had that confirmed by a number of people who were at the scene,

but that has not appeared as a motive in any kind of affidavit. We are learning that Eloise was shot in front of her children, and according to WQAD, blood covered all of her children. As Dr. Gallagher was pointing out, Eloise was struck in the shoulder. children over a game card, over a game card. Take a listen to our friends at WHBF. He says the support from the community and his family has helped him cope. I didn't know I don't like my mom. She here, you know, she came all the way from Georgia to be by my side.

So that's a big plus. The woman accused in the shooting is 24 year old Treshawn Napoleon, who was being held on a $1 million bond in Scott County jail and faces a first degree murder charge. I don't even know how she got a gun in there, though. That's like, I mean, where was the security like metal detectors? Hudson says growing up without a mother is a reality now to his three- and four-year-old sons. You know, I just want my kids to have justice for their mother. Explain to me, Tom Lowy, Quad City Times, Davenport, Iowa. He really brings up a good point. How do you get into a place like Chuck E. Cheese with a gun? You just carry it in on your person. There's no metal detector or anything like that. Let me ask you this.

It's my understanding, Tom Lowy, Quad City Times, that the shooter, the alleged shooter, Shonda Pullian, then took off and left? Yes, she fled the scene. And she was later located in nearby Rock Island, Illinois, which is part of the Quad Cities. It's right across the bridge from Davenport. So she was located in Rock Island, Illinois and was extradited from Rock Island, Illinois. The shooting occurred on a Sunday. She was extradited on Monday, made her first court appearance the Tuesday after being arrested. To Robert Crispin, PI at Crispin Special Investigations, Robert, I've seen a murder over a $5 hit or crack. I've seen a murder over a $10 debt.

I've seen plenty of murders over divorce or infidelity, but over a Chuck E. Cheese game card. Doesn't make sense, does it? No. That's what started the argument. But clearly there was a trigger that happened in the verbal altercation between them that led her to do this. That was just the catalyst of how it started. It escalated somehow, and somewhere along the line, the trigger word was said that upset the assailant,

and that just pushed her over the edge. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to figure out to Tom Lowy with the Quad City Times. What about a game card made this woman, Shoshonda Paulian, so angry? I think the allegations were that a game card was taken from perhaps Miss Chair's gun. But what we know is that when people have guns, their distance between being angry and tragedy is, you know, shortened, very much shortened. So it may have been a rash decision. What we are learning from Cher's family is that they were in an argument. She was in an argument with the other mom, Chandra Pullian, because the friend Pullian took one kid, one child took the game card from another child. So it's not as if a mom steals a game card.

Basically, two little children had an argument over a game card. And one kid took the other kid's game card at Chuck E. Cheese. And then Pullian allegedly takes out a gun and shoots chairs in the shoulder dead. And then she makes a run for it. I mean, James Shelnut, you were a major case. You had to do bolos, be on the lookouts. But this is a 24-year-old woman. But look at what she did. Yeah, it's inexplicable. And I do agree. I

mean, there was, you know, this may have started over game card and escalated, you know, physically. I get it. But at the end of the day, this should have been handled in a completely different way. Adults are supposed to handle things like adults. Instead, one of these adults acted worse than the small child who supposedly took the game court. It is just completely senseless and just inexplicable. And, you know, you hear to you, Crispin, about cases where soccer moms get in a fight at the game with another mom or actually with a kid, a child. What are they thinking? Funny you say that because when it comes to our kids in baseball or soccer or football and the ref gives a bad call to our kid, I mean, I've seen parents just go absolutely ballistic.

And how many times have we seen the parents coming out of the stands and trying to take out the coach or the ref? You know what's interesting, Crispin? My brother, when he was in college, had a lot of part-time jobs, but one of them was as a ref at children's junior leagues games. He finally quit. He said, I have parents follow me to my car, cursing at me, threatening to beat me up. He goes, I don't know any of these children. I'm just calling the game. I don't care. He finally quit reffing for that very reason. I'm just trying to imagine what was going through these moms' heads. Take a listen to our friend Dave Mack at Crime Online. 24-year-old Trishonda Pullian is charged with one count of first-degree murder for fatally

shooting 29-year-old Eloise Chairs. She appeared by phone in the Scott County Court for a short bond review hearing. Her attorney, Derek Jones, asked the judge to change her bond from a $1 million cash-only bond to a $1 million cash or surety bond, saying she has strong ties to the community and is a lifelong resident of the area. During the hearing, Polian said, I don't have a criminal background of any sort, and then she said she has a baby boy and doesn't have much support for it, and saying she would like to have a realistic bond so she can at least get out and prepare for him to be somewhere safe while she goes through the trial. Assistant Scott County Attorney Robert Bradfield, he opposed the request and said first degree murder carries a mandatory sentence of life without parole, which is a good reason to not appear for this trial. He then pointed out that she shot someone with a gun she had in her purse at a Chuck E. Cheese that was crowded with

families and children. The judge denied the bond reduction. And not only that, she's already fled once. What would keep her from doing it again? We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend.