Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Mom of 2, Dead, Stuffed in Hockey Bag; HANDYMAN/LOVER TAKES SWEETHEART DEAL

Episode Date: November 12, 2022

Slain New York mother Orsolya Gaal's handyman/lover avoid a murder charge by pleading guilty to manslaughter in the mother's deal.  David Bonola accepted a plead deal and will be sentenced to 25 years in prison.  Prosecutors say Bonola stabbed the 51-year-old wife and mother of two nearly 50 times in her home in April, then stuffed her dismembered body in a duffel bag and dumped it at a park. Police say Gaal and David Bonola had a two-year affair.   Chief James Essig says Bonola arrived at Gaal’s home between 12:30 a.m. and 12:40 a.m. on April 16.   An argument broke out, which continued in the basement where Gaal was stabbed with a knife from her own kitchen.  Police believe the suspect then stuffed Gaal in her son’s hockey bag.  Investigators searched the suspect’s garbage and found a bloody pair of work boots and other bloodied items.   Joining Nancy Grace Today: Matthew Mangino - Attorney, Former District Attorney, Former Parole Board Member, Author: "The Executioner's Toll: The Crimes, Arrests, Trials, Appeals, Last Meals, Final Words and Executions of 46 Persons in the United States"   Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, (Atlanta GA) www.angelaarnoldmd.com, Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women, Former Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Obstetrics and Gynecology: Emory University, Former Medical Director of The Psychiatric Ob-Gyn Clinic at Grady Memorial Hospital Mona Kay - Private Investigator, "Mona K Investigations" (Omaha, NE), Twitter: @monakay Dr. Tim Gallagher - Medical Examiner State of Florida www.pathcaremed.com, Lecturer: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine. Founder/Host: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference Stephanie Pagones - Digital Reporter, FOX Business & Fox News, Twitter: @steph_pagones See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Okay, somebody help me understand what has just happened in a court of law. Remember the gorgeous mom, Orsalia Gale, her handyman, the perv that posted hundreds and hundreds of posts on lines about how to snare women, violent sex videos, pickup lines. Just gets gross. Then he goes to Orsoya's home at night with her son asleep upstairs. He gets into an argument with her. She doesn't want to let him in. She finally lets him in, so he'll quiet down instead of waking up the neighbors, and he murders her. He murders her. He stabbed her at least 50 times, shoves her mutilated body in a duffel bag, drags it down the street, literally leaving a trail of blood,

and dumped this mother of two's body by the side of the road. Yes, all this time, her boy, her little boy is upstairs asleep. He has no idea that downstairs, mommy is being murdered. Not a clue. Now, you may ask, where's dad? I asked that very first question, because when you find a mom dad you immediately dead you immediately look to the dad the husband the lover the ex he was out of town and i verified that myself with their older son who was looking at colleges this handyman had had an affair with or saw you gail that happened she broke it off he wanted back she didn't want him back she wanted to make her marriage work he murders her stabbing her 50 times

while her son's upstairs what kind of guilt trip will the son be on the rest of his life thinking, I could have saved mommy, what was wrong with me? And leaves her by the side of the road like trash in a duffel bag. I think her son's hockey duffel bag. Yeah. Now, here is another shocker. In the last days, the handyman lover, 44-year-old David Bonilla, takes a plea deal to a lesser offense. Manslaughter. He gets 25 years on manslaughter. He'll probably do 12, 15 and be out.

He'll be a young man. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. I can't believe this guy was given a plea deal to 25 years on a lesser offense. He should have been tried on murder and been behind bars for the rest of his natural life till he dies. He should come out of jail and a box. The injustice of this sentence. Take a listen to our friends ABC7. Banola pleaded guilty to first degree manslaughter in a plea bargain with Queens prosecutors who dropped the murder charge. Under the deal, he'll be sentenced to 25 years in

prison. Former prosecutor David Schwartz says avoiding a trial makes sense. If you win trial on a murder, you get 25 to life. Or we could bleed the case out to a manslaughter and it's 25 years, but the family could move on. And this happens all the time. How did the whole thing start? Topping our headlines of this hour we have breaking news police make an arrest in the gruesome murder of Arcelia Gall in Queens. David Bonola facing several charges according to police including murder and criminal tampering. Gall was stabbed to death in her Forest Hills home on Friday. Multiple stab wounds after an evening out. Her body was found about half a mile away, stuffed inside a duffel bag. Stuffed in a duffel bag.

Now, who in the world would have access to that home, not trip the alarm, know where to find the son, her young son's hockey bag, have access to her phone, know her code, and take the time to stage the scene. Sending some bizarre text to her husband who was out of town in Oregon on a college shopping trip with his older son. Who would do that? Who would stage the scene? Well, now we know.

Straight out to special guests joining us. Stephanie Pagonis is joining us from Fox Business, Fox News, Digital Reporter. Stephanie, thank you for being with us. Who is this guy? David Bonola. Police say he has no unsealed criminal history. He is a 44-year-old man who lives in Queens, not far from where the victim and her family lived. Police said he was the family's handyman. He had been working with the family for about two years.

He also had been in an intimate relationship with Orsol Yagal for about two years. But the couple had broken up stephanie yes can i tell you something thank you for not leading the murder case with the fact that she had an affair absolutely everywhere i turned that's the headline she slept with a handyman who gives a fig what she may or may not have done in her life or why she did it? We know she had called the relationship off and we understand from his double confession, one on video, that he was trying to rekindle the relationship and she refused. I don't want to hear any victim shaming at all. For everybody on the panel, just brace for that. No victim shaming. I mean, think about it. Dr. Angie Arnold, what if the worst thing,

think about it, everybody, including you, Jackie, who can do no wrong. Think of the worst thing you have ever done, something you've never told a soul, and that's going to be on your tombstone? That's going to be the headline on every, the New York Post, the this, the that. That's in the headline? Your sons, your children are going to know that? You know, Nancy, I think, I think that the reason these things are brought up and people shout them from the rooftops when something like this happens is because we're all so scared. Like, oh, my God, who's on the loose? Why did this happen to her? And then we have a simple people.

People believe that we have a simple reason. Oh, that's why it happened to her. And if I don't if I don't behave that way, then that won't happen to me. Yeah. Well, I think a lot of times women just get judged for everything they do. Yes. But that aside, you're right. I think it gives us, everybody else other than the victim, a false sense of complacency and safety because we think, oh, I wouldn't do fill in the blank. Go jogging at night.

Go to my car in a parking deck after midnight. Go out to a bar alone. Have an affair with a handyman. You know, you fill in the blank to make yourself feel better like it won't happen to you, but that is certainly no guarantee. So back to you, Stephanie Pagonas with Fox. Thank you for leading this as it should be a mother of two, a mother of two slaughtered in her own home. Now, I was asking you who this guy is and did i hear you say correctly stephanie pagodas that he does not have an unsealed criminal record well so that's correct meaning though that if he does have a criminal history it would be sealed and that in

that case police would not be able to discuss it or even acknowledge its existence. Is he a Mexican national? So we're still waiting to hear back from law enforcement officers regarding his immigration status. But police do say he moved here from Mexico 21 years ago. We've also heard from people in the neighborhood that he has two children. I believe they're actually grown now. And he was married before this. Okay, wait a minute. We can't determine whether he's in this country legally?

I don't think it's that we can. It's that no one has yet been willing to speak about it. I believe every time police have been questioned about this, they say they can't answer the question. Our inquiry with ICE is currently pending. How did this whole thing go down, Stephanie? So more details actually came out yesterday during a police press conference in Queens. Police say Orsolia went to a show at Lincoln Center in Manhattan and returned to Queens around 11.20 p.m. She then went to a restaurant. She returned home at 12 20 p.m.

and about 10 to 20 minutes later prosecutors said she let Mr. Benola into her home. There had originally been questions as to whether she let him in or if he used a key that had been hidden in the barbecue. Now the prosecutors say she let him in they then go down to the basement of the home her son was upstairs hold on just a second i want to um i hate to interrupt your incredible stream of facts but i want to point out something think about it she's got her son at home her young son uh the young one leo The older one, Jamie, is 17, off on the college tour with his dad. It's this really ritzy neighborhood. And they're in Forest Hills.

It's really pretty. I've driven through it a couple of times. It looks like a storybook. When you drive around in Forest Hills, it looks like it's out of a magazine or a storybook setting. Think about it. It's after midnight, and you got this guy uninvited. She's not going to invite her former lover over at night with her son home. I can promise you that.

I don't know her. I've never met her, but I can tell you that. I don't know her. I've never met her, but I can tell you that much. So he shows up and what do you think? What should she do? Let him start screaming and causing a ruckus or just say, okay, Kate, you can come in 10 minutes. We're going to talk. I would have, I don't know what I would have done, but I understand why she let him in. So he wouldn't create a scene, monique she drew the line he wanted to and i'm putting perfume on the pig right here he wanted to rekindle the relationship in other words have sex right that's what i think that is what i think but he's a man. He wants to rekindle their what? Their marriage? No.

Their sex affair. And she said no. And he stabbed her dead. Right. What do you think about that, Monica? Right. It was a rejection. You know, he couldn't take the rejection.

He was obsessed. He wasn't going to leave. You know, with her telling him no. I'm glad you said that. Obsessed. um you know with her telling her that you said that obsessed to show up after midnight when a mother is home with her child alone in the home and he comes over uninvited and tries to restart their sex affair i would call that obsessed that's a very good word monique well i think he um i think he had a pattern uh he stalked and um women baristas at a nearby starbucks near his home also um he frequented the place several times a week he left messages in the tip jar he proposed to a couple of the employees um i read that uh they

filed police reports they wanted they wanted to keep the guy away from Starbucks. Oh, this poor woman. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. 44-year-old perv David Bonola has accepted a plea deal from the Queens District Attorney's Office. They should all be fired. Where he gets off with a light sentence and a lesser offense. This could have been tried and I believe there would have been a conviction for murder one. Yes, the defense would have dragged the mother through the mud by claiming she was some kind of a tramp that slept with a handyman. That's not true. She had

an affair. Half of America's had an affair, probably more. They don't get the death penalty for it. Listen to the NYPD chief of detectives, James Essig, listen to what he's got to say. On Friday night, April 15th, Miss Gall attends a show at Lincoln Center. She takes the train back to her neighborhood in Forest Hills. At 11.20 p.m., she stops in a local establishment for a short while before returning home. We believe she returns home at 12.20 a.m. You are hearing the Chief of Detectives, James Essig, take a listen to what he says next. On Friday night a.m., Mr. Bonella is a handyman

who was employed by Mrs. Gall. They have been having an intimate affair for approximately two years. He is either let in voluntarily or he uses a key he has knowledge about hidden in the barbecue. A heated argument ensues between the two in the basement. A knife is brandished. A violent struggle ensues, resulting in our victim being stabbed ruthlessly and brutally in excess of 55 times, causing her demise.

The evidence in this case is overwhelming and heartbreaking. Two boys left to be raised without their mother. Chief of Detectives James Essie goes on to state that the duffel bag was found in the home by the killer, and he dragged her body down Metropolitan Avenue at Jackie Robinson Parkway. Question to you, Stephanie Pagonis. It's my understanding that there's a beautiful park forest near her home, and that he lived on the other side of it. Correct. So was this going toward his home where he just left the body? So it does appear that way.

Yes, it appears that he would have walked the 0.7 miles from her Juneau Street home to that intersection, Metropolitan Avenue and Jackie Robinson Parkway. That would have been directly on the way to his own home if he had chosen to walk that night. Didn't he live in Richmond Hills? That is correct. Okay, so if he were walking home and I was hung up for the longest time because the killer did not dispose of her body in a vehicle. And I repeatedly said, well, what did he do, walk there? Yes, that's exactly what he did. To Dr. Tim Gallagher, medical examiner for the entire state of Florida, you can find him at PathCareMed.com, lecturer University of Florida Medical School,

founder and host of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. All they talk about is death investigations for days on end. It's like a brain trust of medical examiners

and investigators. Dr. Gallagher, thank you for being with us. I want to talk to you about this frenzied attack. We're hearing 50. We're hearing 55. I think it's very difficult to tell. I learned that from the Jodi Arias case where she stabbed her lover, Travis Alexander, about 30 times and shot him in the head. The stab wounds were overlapping each other. And since human flesh obviously is movable and flexible, it's hard to tell really how many stab wounds there are, but we know of 55. What's curious to me is when you see him wheeling her body down the street,

he looks perfectly calm. Well, true, Nancy. It's very difficult to get the exact amount of stab wounds in a body. But, you know, once you go past a certain number, you know, that exact number becomes less and less relevant. You know, we can see that she's been stabbed multiple times. Generally, this is a person who has done it in a fit of rage. This is a person who's done it, who is of altered mental status, who's not, or we say non-compass mentis, who is not in their right mind.

So these people generally have a tremendous amount of strength that they exert all at once during the assault to the point where they actually slice themselves. They harm themselves with the knife, but it doesn't slow them down. They continue to stab. When you stab somebody with a knife, the blood and the bodily fluids get on the handle of the knife, and the person who's holding it loses grip when they stab somebody. And that knife actually slices their own hand but it doesn't stop them so they are filled with rage they feel no pain and they are expending all of this energy and then after the assault their energy is expended so they return to a calm state

and then that's what you see uh his in his public persona as he's walking down the street he can't be excited anymore the rage right yeah he what what was your last sentence i'm sorry right he cannot be excited anymore his his adrenaline is spent his rage is spent so all he has to do now is all the only thing that he has energy to do now is walk calmly and that's what was observed after the attack. So he's exhausted after the frenzy attack. I've got to tell you something, doctor, I've been around many schizophrenics that were charged with crimes. Well, murders. They were all charged with murders.

The ones that I dealt with. And it's very scary. Victims have told me to be alone with them when they are in one of these rages and other rage attacks. It's almost as if the person, they're not legally insane, but they've gone wild. And you can't reason with them. You can't stop them. And I'm wondering if that is what this young mom of two or Sawyer Gale has just taken a sweetheart plea. You know, they should have put that on top of the Christmas tree. That was such a gift. Sending him to jail for 25 years on a lesser offense. He'll probably be out in about 12. This is after he sliced his former lover to death, stuffed her in a duffel bag, and dragged her out only to throw her off by the side of the road.

I mean, what do you have to do there to get a full-on life sentence? This woman's so defenseless just trying to put her marriage and her family back together and this is what happens the evidence in this case is very disturbing so you legal eagles i hope you have a strong stomach as we wade through it isn't it true stephanie pogonis that this killer cut himself very seriously he first went to a city clinic like a doc in the box. Sorry about that phrase, Dr. Gallagher. You know, the old med first. Then they sent him on to Bellevue Hospital. He needed to go to the hospital where he was treated and released.

That's correct. Police were able to confirm that he went to a local area hospital to have injuries to both his hands treated. And in later surveillance footage that police later released, you can see him walking down the street with at least one hand bandaged up completely. So, yes, he also incurred injuries amid all of this? This is Matt. You know, I think it's clear that he didn't go there with the intent to kill. The weapon that he used

was a kitchen knife. They argued. They went into the basement probably involuntarily because he had taken a knife from the kitchen and then he goes into this rage so he has some diminished capacity in this case bs i was just waiting for the bs to come out and there it is right because rage does not insanity make well i

can just gun you down when you get off of this program and go, oh, I was angry because you disagreed with me. That's not a defense under the law. And let me remind you, Matthew Mangino, not that you need reminding. I mean, you're a veteran trial lawyer, former district attorney, Lawrence County, former parole board member, author of

The Executioner's Toll. It goes on and on and on. Matthew Mangino, let's not mislead the listeners to think that premeditation under the law requires a long drawn-out scheme such as poisoning someone over a period of weeks and months or planning or lying in wait. Premeditation, as a matter of fact, can be formed in the blink of an eye. The time it takes to pick up a knife, pull it back, and stab. That is long enough under the law to form premeditation or intent. So here he stabbed her 55 times. He had plenty of time to form premeditation. There's no question. You're right. I mean, he used a weapon

on a vital part of her body, which is all you need to prove first-degree murder. But we're not talking about insanity, where he doesn't know the difference between right and wrong, which could be a defense. But we're talking about diminished capacity. It's his responsibility. Because he's PO, she won't have

sex with him with her son right above them? That ain't gonna work, Mang, Gina. You gotta try better than that. He shows up after midnight. He wants to have sex with her, rekindle their relationship, if you could call it that. She's married with children. He's got children. What else is it? She says no, and he starts stabbing her. Wouldn't you dr gallagher that there's a very strong possibility many of these stab wounds are post-mortem she couldn't have lived through 55 stab wounds she was dead and he kept stabbing her well that's true nancy and a couple of things that we do see is not

all not all the stab wounds on some of these victims go entirely through their body. These are wounds that are taunting. Sometimes the killer will taunt the victim with a couple of superficial stabs, and then the stabs will get deeper and deeper and deeper until the injury becomes fatal. Dr. Gallagher, can you rephrase something? I want to make sure Matthew Mangino heard this, And then I'll ask Dr. Angie Arnold about it. I believe, of course, you're the MD. I'm just a JD. There's no way she could have survived 55 stab wounds all to her torso, her face, her chest. So some of the stabbings were after she's dead, after she's down on the ground.

Right. I mean, that would most likely be the case. It's going to take a very long time to complete 55 stab wounds. And in that period of time, they would most likely have died from the wounds that were done earlier. So I would believe, yes, that a lot of the stab wounds could have been after she had died. And a medical examiner doing a complete autopsy would be able to identify which stab wounds she received when she was alive and which stab wounds she received after she had expired. Because the stab wounds post-mortem after death would not have bled. There would not be any hemorrhaging around them. That is correct, right. The heart would stop beating.

There would be no blood pressure to push the blood through the wound, so there would be no bleeding from that wound. Okay, Matthew Mangino, you're talking about how he was in a rage and diminished capacity. He's got her down on the ground after she refuses sex with him, still stabbing this mom of two with one of her boys one floor up. Now, what were you saying? What could your possible defense be? Again, you know, I think that further emphasizes the rage that he's out of his mind. The evil. Yeah, that he has this diminished capacity, this altered state of mind.

He's just in a rage. He doesn't really know what he's doing. He's just acting out in this rage. And I think. Acting out. Gee, I think of the kindergartner when you say acting out. Maybe throwing themselves on the ground and kicking and screaming. I think it was John David did that one time.

I just looked at him and walked off. It worked. This is far from acting out. This is an evil, brutal, vicious homicide of a defenseless, unarmed woman. And now with her son to grow up knowing I was home and I didn't save my mother. It's my fault. What about that, Dr. Angie? That poor child.

I mean, he's going to have to be in therapy for the rest of his life. I can't even, you know, I'm sure everybody's asking, how didn't he hear this? Well, my kids have earbuds in all the time. I don't know about your kids. I could be standing in the kitchen talking to them and they don't hear me. Well, you're right. I was questioning what happened that the son didn't hear anything. He's up on the second floor.

She's in the basement. And he's blaring some music, playing a video game probably. Or asleep. Oh, I just had another idea. Hold on. I'm coming right back to you, Stephanie Paganus, joining us from Fox. Matthew Mangino, not in his right mind. He then picked up her cell phone, put in her code or held it up to her face, evil, to get in

and sent her husband a threatening text and made up some crazy story. Your wife put me in jail some years ago and now I'm back. Don't call police. Your whole family's next. He's crazy like a fox. This guy's not crazy or diminished capacity. He

thought about staging the scene and he did stage the scene, including that threatening text to the dad yeah i think the word you use is crazy uh and i think that feeds into this whole situation i mean that's not threatening that's not the normal conduct of a person who's in a in a um in the right frame of mind. He's in a complete panic now, which is a result of this rage that he just inflicted on the victim.

Yeah, he's in a panic because he's trying to cover up a murder that he just did, a horribly bloody murder. I mean, Stephanie Pagonis joining us from Fox, the police found damning evidence at the scene, including a pair of his boots soaked in blood. That's correct. Not only did they find these boots that were soaked in blood, like you said, but they also found a jacket that was soaked in blood. They found tissues, I believe, at a nearby park. And they found a trail of blood leading from the home to the scene where the body was discovered

in Doppelbag, more or less ditched along the sidewalk there. So he has quite a bit of evidence that he has left behind, whether knowingly or unknowingly. He left the knife, as you discussed, at the crime scene that matches the other knives used in the home there. And he ultimately confessed to many of these crimes, including leaving this text message that ended up being completely bogus. crime stories with nancy grace an injustice in a queen's courtroom the killer of beautiful mom or saw you gail takes a sweet plea deal sweet for him bitter, bitter for me. That's right. David Bonilla, 44 years old,

takes a plea deal offered by the Queens District Attorney's Office pleading guilty to a lesser offense of manslaughter, not murder. He will get 25 years behind bars. And on that, guarantee you, he'll be out in 12, 13 years. Like nothing happened. Probably time for him to work out in the yard, make some friends, get his degree. Probably get some sweethearts online, have women send him money. He'll probably draw artwork and sell it online like Jodi Arias does.

He attacked Orsolia in her basement with her son upstairs, stabbing her 50 times, waited until the dead of night to drag her body out of the home and dump it next to a freeway. I mean, man, I would have tried him up and down that courtroom trying to get a maximum sentence for this guy. Take a listen to our friends at NBC. The handyman accused of killing a queen's mother has accepted a plea deal in that case. David Bonola will serve 25 years in jail on first-degree manslaughter charges with five years of post-release supervision. Police say Bonola confessed to stabbing Ursula Gall more than 55 times after an argument back in April, then dumping her body in a duffel bag not far from her home in Forest Hills. This sentence and this sweetheart plea deal is so wrong. Earlier,

Matthew Mangino, a veteran trial lawyer, stated that this guy, David Benola, had to get the knife out of the kitchen and then take it down to the basement, walking down with a knife. Think about that, Mona Kay. Those steps. If I was prosecuting this case, I would go down every step for the jury with him holding the knife. Every step leading him closer to murder, a vicious and brutal murder of a defenseless, unarmed woman. That was time to ponder and think about what he was about to do, Mona. Right. And we don't know how many times he had approached her before this night. If he had been calling her, following following her if he had tried to um you know have sex with her you know before this night he maybe knew that there was a possibility

he was going to be rejected but he was going to try he was going to keep trying you know what i learned uh researching the case stephanie begonis is that he has an odd obsession with the Guns and Roses guitarist Slash. Yes, and he also looks, you know, quite similar. Interestingly enough... You mean the hair? Yeah, he's got quite a distinct appearance. You know, even neighbors in the area said they knew him as being not only a night owl, but someone who always was either playing music, talking about music, or was carrying around his guitar, whether it was around his back or in an instrument bag of some kind. So not only does the appearance seem quite similar, but he really had quite the interest in music, according to neighbors and people who lived or worked nearby. You know, it's another interesting fact to me about how the knife was recovered at the crime scene.

But the fact that does everybody remember? How could you ever forget Scott Peterson? Remember when he would go back over and over and over, back to San Francisco Bay, looking out over the water as if he expected to see Lacey's body or the body of their unborn son, Connor, pop up in the water. Maybe he was scouring the beach at a distance to see if their bodies had washed up on shore. But wouldn't you agree, Dr. Angela Arnold, that very often we see criminals returning to the scene over and over? I don't understand why. Well, I don't really understand why either, Nancy, but there has to be a curiosity inside of them. And maybe they're perhaps they're reliving the event.

Perhaps they're looking for signs of evidence that hasn't been found. And I truly agree with you about Scott Peterson probably going out there and seeing if Lacey's body was going to float up. And maybe, and you know, Nancy, maybe it also gives them some sort of sense of something, having known that they've gotten rid of that person. And so they revisit it and relive it. You know what I'm wondering, Nancy? I'm wondering if this man had been, you know, she had been trying to get rid of him, right?

And she had cut things off. And then I'm wondering if someone else had rejected him also. Well, you heard earlier that he had been hitting on the baristas at the Starbucks that he went to. Take a listen to Hourcut 20. Again, this is the chief of detectives, James Essig. Last night, while detectives were canvassing for video, they observed a male who was wanted for questioning in a horrendous homicide. He voluntarily came back to the 112 precinct and made incriminating statements. Today, that male, David Bonilla, male 44 years old, residing at 10418 114th Street in Queens, New York, is being charged with murder in the second degree, criminal tampering in the first degree, and criminal possession of a weapon in

the fourth degree, in relation to the death of Osolia Gao, female, 51 years old. You know, to you, Stephanie Begonus, very often when you're dealing with New York and some other jurisdictions, law, it's said, well, why not murder in the first degree? Murder in the second in New York is very similar to other jurisdictions, murder in the first, first degree murder. In New York, murder one can refer to

murdering, for a cop a peace officer a government worker it could be someone that is incarcerated already and then they murder the warden so it really focuses a good bit murder one in New York on who the victim is but the penalty for murder one and murder two in New York is the same, about 25 to life, right? That's correct. He faces 25 to life if convicted on the highest charge. But on top of that, he has those two other charges, criminal possession of a weapon and tampering with physical evidence. So he likely faces more time than that if convicted on those other charges on top of the murder in the second degree. Interesting. I know what tampering with

evidence would be moving the body, getting rid of evidence, trying to hide the murder weapon, but what about criminal possession of a weapon? Does that mean he had a weapon that he used for a crime? Or was there some reason it was a crime for him to even have a weapon? So it's my understanding in my years of doing this that the criminal possession of a weapon charge refers to his use of the knife as a weapon to commit a crime in this case. So like you said, he went into the kitchen. Police believe he used the knife from the kitchen and he used that knife in the commission of this murder of Orsolla Gall. In the last days, the handyman lover, 44-year-old David Bonilla, takes a plea deal to a lesser offense manslaughter he gets 25 years on manslaughter he'll probably do 12 15 and be out i can't believe this guy was given a plea deal to 25 years on a lesser offense

he should have been tried on murder and been behind bars for the rest of his natural life till he dies. The injustice of this sentence. Oh, what that family had to go through. Our prayers with Orsalia Gale's family, her husband, and especially her two sons. Nancy Grace Crumstory signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.