Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Mommy-Blog-Influencer’s Children Starving, Open Wounds, Duct-Taped

Episode Date: September 5, 2023

A 12-year-old boy climbs out of a window in a home, running to neighbors begging for food and water. The boy is the son of Ruby Franke, a popular blogger, known for the YouTube channel "8 Passengers."  The home belonged to Franke's business partner Jodi Hildebrandt.    Neighbors called police. Officers said the boy looked emaciated and malnourished.  Cops also noted that the boy had “deep lacerations from being tied up with rope” and duct tape around his wrists and ankles.. After searching Hildebrandt’s home, police found Franke’s 10-year-old daughter in a similar condition.  Both children were taken to a hospital.    Franke's parenting channel "8 Passengers," which at one time boasted over 2 million followers,  doled out parenting advice,  and in her video, she admits to withholding food as a form of punishment.   Both women have been charged with six counts of aggravated child abuse. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Donna Kelly – Former Utah Senior Deputy District Attorney and Attorney for Crime Victims Legal Clinic; Helped form the Utah County Sex Crimes Task Force Dr. Dana Anderson – Forensic Psychologist and consultant, court appointed expert witness, Twitter: @psychologydrcom, TikTok: @psychologydr Jason Jensen – Private Investigator (Jensen Private Investigations), Cold Case Expert (Salt Lake City, UT), and Co-founder: “Cold Case Coalition;” Investigations; Twitter: @JasonJPI, Facebook/Instagram: “Jensen Investigations”  Dr. Free N. Hess – Pediatrician/Pediatric Emergency Medicine, Child Safety Expert & Consultant, Founder of www.PediMom.com Emily Ashcraft- Reporter for KSL.com in Utah; Twitter: @emilyjaneen3  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What exactly is an influencer? And for those of you that can't see me, I'm absolutely using air quotas right now. An influencer, what does that really mean? I mean, I've seen influencers at parties twerking. I've seen them writhing up against statutes and historic sites all across Europe and the U.S. What does that mean to be an influencer? And what does it mean when you're an influencer with literally millions of so-called followers

when your child sneaks out of a window completely emaciated, starved, with signs on their bodies that they have been bound, tied up, likely with at least duct tape. What kind of an influencer is that? Well, according to me, that's the kind of influencer that would best spend their time behind bars. Let's see who they can influence in the C.I. Correctional Institute. That's where I'm coming from. But I let you judge for yourself. Let's kick it off with our friends at ABC.

Arrest documents saying the child escaped to a neighbor's home. The 12 year old child described by that neighbor in a phone call to police as emaciated and malnourished with open wounds. Court documents also describing deep lacerations from being tied up with a rope. He's also saying that there's two of his sisters are back at the home as well. Police say they also found Frankie's 10-year-old daughter malnourished. Frankie is known for her strict parenting advice to millions of TikTok and YouTube followers. Police say a clearly malnourished 12-year-old child crawled out of the window of Hildebrand's Ivins area home. A neighbor called 911 when he

showed up at their house asking for food and water. Officers say his wrists were duct taped. He had wounds from being tied up across his body. Investigators say they found a 10-year-old girl inside the same house who was also malnourished. You're also hearing our friends at KSL. So we have at least one child who had apparently just turned 12 crawling out the window of the family home, starved. And believe you me, if you haven't ever seen it, I hope you never do. I pray to God you never do. Because when you see a child that has been starved, as I have, it's something you never forget.

I remember when I was going to South Carolina just recently to cover the Alex Murdoch double murder trial. I passed a yard and there was a dog tied up in the front yard to a stake. And I could see the dog's ribs. And it reminds me when I went to Aruba with Natalie Holloway's mother just recently to try to turn up new evidence for at the end of the island where the lighthouse is, there was a pack of dogs, maybe four or five of them that kept coming up to us, chasing after us. And they looked like skeletons that their ribs were poking out. And it just, I've thought about them over and over and over. And when you see a child with their ribs poking out, clearly emaciated, I can't even get the dogs out of my mind, much less the children that I saw that way as a prosecutor.

And not just once, over and over and over, food deprivation, starving your child. I think about this 12-year-old little boy to the point where he crawls out the window and goes to a neighbor asking for food. And the neighbor sees lacerations, lacerations where the child has been tied up. And then we learn that there's another child in the home, a 10-year-old little girl with the same lacerations, malnutrition, malnourished, living in that home. Who in the hell is the mommy? Who in the hell is the dad that would do this to their children? Well, I hope you're sitting down. Take a listen to our friends at GMA. A Utah mom influencer arrested, facing six felony counts of aggravated child abuse. For the first time, we're hearing emergency responders as they see one of Ruby Frankie's children after he allegedly escaped through a window.

The male does have duct tape around each ankle. He's not telling the RP why. And so that there's sores around his wrists and ankles. He's becoming, or correction, the RP is becoming emotional regarding the child's health. I'm going to go ahead and have medical data on this one. With me in all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now. But first, I want to go to investigative reporter with ksl.com out of utah emily ashcraft is with us emily thank you for being with us who

is this woman and we're hearing a lot about the mom but as far as i'm concerned the father can They can go straight to hell too. But first, tell me, who is she? She is a family YouTuber, vlogger. And the family actually, its YouTube channel faded out or stopped recently. And she started up another YouTube channel as a counselor instead of a mom. What is Eight Passengers? So that's the family's YouTube channel. And she said in an article KSL wrote years ago that she started the channel

because she wanted other moms who were kind of starting out with infants to see what it's like to have kids that are getting older, kind of the rewards of motherhood is what she wanted to show off in her, in the eight passengers YouTube channel. How many followers did she have? Ruby Frankie, YouTuber, mom of six. Ruby Frankie, F-R-A-N-K-E.

How many followers? I understand over 2.2 million subscribers to eight passengers channel. That's the numbers that I've seen as well. Okay. Who in the hay is drinking the Kool-Aid? That's what I want to know. And I want to go now to Donna Kelly, former Utah senior deputy district attorney and lawyer for Crime Victims Legal Clinic. Donna, thank you for being with us. I've seen this over and over and over. It's not just a story. It's not something we're reporting on.

It's not some fiction or TV made for TV movie. Not only do you have the parents abusing the child horribly. But people around them, they know what's happening. And they do nothing. What is wrong with these people? I mean, it's not as if this just happened and they suddenly say, oh, the child has bruises all over their arms. That's suspicious. They're starved. They're starved. They're starved. That takes a long period of time,

Donna Kelly, and nobody noticed? Yes, it does. And unfortunately, many abusers have the mindset that they work hard at portraying themselves as the good parent, the parent you go to when you need advice. That type of thing is not uncommon. And so that appears to be what's going on here is that this particular set of parents decided that they were going to portray themselves as the ideal parent and put that out there to the world uh and apparently a lot at least 2.2 million people uh were fooled guys i just want you to hear something uh take a listen to our

friends at fox 13 independent journalist and youtuber katie paulson tracks child abuse cases she says frankie's youtube channel eight passengers her attention. And she was saying how she would send her daughter to school with no food. And it was almost like she was bragging about it. She recalls another time when Frankie's son openly talked about his punishment on the channel. He was talking about how he had been sleeping on the floor on a beanbag chair, and how his mom had taken away his bed and has taken away his door. That child had to sleep on a beanbag chair for seven plus months for pulling a prank on his brother.

A prank, I might add, that didn't even cause any physical harm. What he did was he told the brother they were going to Disneyland the next morning and the brother got up and packed and put on his sunglasses and was ready to go. It was a joke. They didn't go to Disneyland. That was the prank. And this child was thrown out of his room and forced to sleep on the floor on a beanbag for nearly a year. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace i've watched the videos this mom brags about withholding food you know last night john david uh was awake too late on a school night. And I thought he was hungry. So I made toast with honey. And this was at 11 o'clock at night when he has to get up at six.

Yes, I know he's up too late. I brought that to his attention. But he's six five. What am I going to do? Hold him down and sit on him in the bed, make him go to sleep. But I was so worried he was hungry that I went in the kitchen and made him something and took to him with a glass of milk. And he went straight to sleep after that. And here we've got a mom starving the children and bragging about it online.

What I also don't understand, to Dr. Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, you can find her at psychologydoctor.com. She's bad enough. But who are the 2.2 million people that tune in to watch her gibberish? Well, I can tell you, I certainly wasn't tuning in, and I'd never even heard of Ruby Frank until this came up. But what's more deplorable is that her sidekick, Jodi Hildebrandt, who's a licensed professional, who's observing this the whole time. 2.2 million people

are following this witch straight from hell. I want you to hear more of what we have learned. Take a listen to our friends at Fox 13. Diane Nevins remembers being horrified at what she was watching on YouTube. It was kind of like every video there was something to be shocked about. Her son couldn't walk until he was like two and a half years old and she never got him any help and she admitted that she had at one point he had fallen off the couch or she dropped him. He had gotten no physical therapy, anything. Nevins says when she commented her concerns, she was blocked by Frankie. What exactly, to Emily Ashcroft joining us, investigative reporter for KSL.com,

what was found in the home after the neighbor has to call 911 when she gets a 12-year-old little boy who says his 10-year-old sister's inside with the same injuries, starved, starved, and covered in lacerations showing the child had been tied up. What did cops find when they go inside? They found a second child. the two youngest children in the family were both so starved that the one that didn't crawl out and initially refused medical care, but they, after interacting with her for a while, they kind of said, let's go to the hospital as well. And both of the women were charged with six counts, three for each child of aggravated child abuse. Authorities say that both children were described as, quote, their words, not mine, emaciated and malnourished with open wounds and duct tapes around the extremities,

begging for food and water. Begging for food and water. And this woman, and don't think I'm letting the husband off. Oh no, I'm getting to him. This woman actually has a YouTube channel where she dispenses advice. I'm just imagining the inside of that home and how the children were bound with duct tape and apparently their skin was burned with ropes having tied them up. What kind of mothering and fathering is that? And it brings to mind the so-called house of horrors. Yes, the evil Turpin parents, their daughter crawled out of the house, out of a window and ran to call 911 to save her brothers and sisters. They were found

in the same exact condition. Take a listen to our cut 35, our friends at ACGTN. Officials say when they entered the Turpin home, they found a modern day horror, foul smell, extremely dirty conditions, and they say it was immediately clear that the siblings were malnourished. Authorities say they found three of the children shackled to their beds with chains and padlocks, kept in dark and unclean conditions inside this Riverside County, California home. Deputies located 12 children inside the house as young as two years old. And upon further investigation, when authorities went to their last home where the Turpins lived, they found claw marks on the inside of closet doors where children had tried to claw

their way out. And listen to this 911 call in our cut 36. This is a turpin child that crawled out the window, much like this influencer's child did. Okay, I live in a family of 15 people, and my parents are abusing, they abuse us. And my two little sisters right now are chained up. And how many of your siblings are tied up? Two of my sisters, one of my brothers. How are they tied up? With rope or with what?

With chains. They're chained up to their beds. Guys, also, I can't forget the case of Jennifer Wolfthal. Take a listen to our Cut 34. Our friend Stephen Helling over at People.com. According to an arrest report obtained by WFTV, Wolfthal was arrested that time after her husband arrived at the hospital with their 8-year-old daughter who suffered from conditions including pneumonia,

a staph infection, and liver failure. Authorities say the girl was also malnourished and had multiple bruises, a skin infection, and several open wounds. Wulffal is the author of the children's book, A Real Friend. It has been removed from sale by its publisher. See the connection I'm making right there? You've got this woman who is an influencer who has a YouTube channel about parenting, she has mistreated and abused her children. They're starving. They're tied up with duct tape. When cops get there, they still have duct tape on their extremities. It looks like they have rope burns and they're begging for food and water, having to climb out the window to get to a phone to call 911, begging neighbors to give them

something to eat. And here is this book author who has her child covered in bruises with skin infections, open wounds. You know what makes Ruby Frank different from the Turpin Mom, Ruby Frankie is glamorous. Yeah. She has this YouTube channel and boy, is she making the most of it. Guys, I want you to take a listen to Dr. Free Hess joining us. Pediatrician, pediatric emergency medicine expert, child safety expert. And you can find Dr. Freehiss at pdmom.com. Let me spell

that. It doesn't look like it sounds. It's like pediatrician. P as in Peter, E, D as in daffodil, I. P-E-D-I-M-O-M dot com. Dr. Freehiss, thank you for being

with us. What this woman has is hair and makeup. That's what makes her different from the Turpin family or the other mom. They're all Beelzebub, straight from hell. They're the devil's minions. Yeah, and that's actually a very big misconception that a lot of people have about abusers, child abusers specifically. I think a lot of people have in their mind that it's only a certain type of person that can do these types of evil things to children. And it's not. It can literally be anybody. Yeah. You know, you think you know your neighbor. You think you know all about what's going on in your neighborhood.

These children are being starved in their own home, assaulted, tied up with ropes and with duct tape that we know of based on the evidence we're hearing so far. And nobody did a thing. And people kept watching this woman online. Jason Jensen joining me, Salt Lake City, Utah, private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations, co-founder of the Cold Case Coalition. And you can find them at JensenPrivateInvestigations.com. This is in your neck of the woods. What do you have to say? Well, Nancy, there's a lot that can be said here.

It's interesting that, you know, the outer image that was being portrayed is, you know, like you describe her, glamorous mom, raising six kids, wants to show off to the world how to do it right. Well, you know, that seems to really have like a Mormon household style image. Oftentimes in the church here in our community, they try to portray to the world a model style of raising a family. And unfortunately, this lady took matters way to the extreme. We're not just showing like discipline online, but it goes to the extreme of child abuse. Jason Jensen, isn't it true that your children have actually watched this woman's YouTube channel? What did they think? Yes, Nancy. Actually, my two kids were the ones

that brought Ruby Frankie to my attention because years ago when they were younger, they watched and enjoyed the channel. And sometimes they got a kick out of it because she was such a gruff parent. She was always harsh on them. And it kind of gave them the impression that she was a disciplinary. And what both of my kids said is pertaining to the two younger kids, the subject, the victims of this recent arrest, is they said they could tell mom did not like these two kids very well. Guys, when someone did try to speak out against Ruby Frankie, take a listen to what happened in Our Cut 17, Fox 13. Paulson also saying when she did a report on what Frankie and her kids were saying in the videos, she was threatened to be sued.

She forwarded me an email from Frankie's lawyer sent in 2020 that says, in part, we represent the family vlog channel eight passengers who continue to be harmed by defamatory videos uploaded to YouTube by your client and saying it resulted in a baseless visit by Child Protective Services. They always say, if you see something, say something. And in this case, when people said something, they were threatened. Let me understand something, Emily Ashcroft, joining us from KSL. Child Protective Services went to the home, even though now Frankie is claiming that was baseless. And what, they found nothing? They couldn't tell anything was going on? Yeah, they went to the home to talk about those claims that you brought up in videos. It was clear that she sent a child to school without lunch and had a child sleeping on a beanbag. And so they went to investigate those.

And that didn't lead to any charges at that point. You know, it's red flags, but I guess not. Red flags. I watched it. She brags about withholding food from her children. How is that okay? Take a listen to Hour Cut 22. This is Ruby Frankie in Eight Passengers. Russell got the big bedroom and Chad got the smaller bedroom and Russell's bigger bedroom also had a bathroom. But what you guys't know was chad didn't get any room

he didn't he didn't get anything he was sleeping on the floor in the family room abby we took the phone away from abby um in november and and you may you may never get the phone back and my kids are literally starving i hesitate to say this because it's gonna sound like i'm like a mean barbarian but i told the kids i said'm not even going to let you eat breakfast until you get your chores done. It's not just that she's withholding food. And it's not just because they didn't do chores one morning before school. It's all the time. You don't get to a point of starvation when you occasionally skip breakfast. Isn't that true, Dr. Freehess, pediatrician?

Yes, absolutely. You don't get emaciated by missing a meal or two here or there. And you don't appear to be that to outside people unless you're missing a substantial amount of meals and nutrition, which can then lead to a whole host of other things that unfortunately these kids may have to deal with. So in One Fill Swoop, we hear about withholding food until chores are done in the morning, not giving one child a place to sleep, but there's a certain amount of bragging, of bravado, of joviality, of cheer in the way she describes how she's treating her children and what everybody just stands by and licks it up like they're a pig at the trough. Take a listen to our cut 24 more of Ruby Frankie. I just got a text message from Eve's teacher.

And she said that Eve did not pack a lunch today. And can I bring a lunch over to the school? This happens quite often when you're having raising children, because I know that her teacher is uncomfortable with her being hungry and not having a lunch. And it would ease her discomfort if I came to the school with lunch. But I responded and just said, Eve is responsible for making her lunches in the morning. And she actually told me she did pack a lunch. So the natural outcome is she's just going to need to be hungry. And hopefully nobody gives her food and nobody steps

in and gives her a lunch. And isn't it true that at that time, Emily Ashcroft, KSL, this little girl was only six years old? That's what I saw. This is a, you know, first grader. Just, you know, first year she's bringing food to school probably. And later the mom said, you you know justifying it after after child protective services were called she said you know it was i didn't learn until two hours before the end of school and it was a 45-minute drive so getting it to her but really because that's not what she said in her blog gratitude she said it was because the child didn't the six-year-old girl did not pack her own lunch. She said that she knew it would ease the teacher's discomfort if her child had food.

What about the child? What about the child's discomfort? That's not all. Take a listen to our cuts 27, 28. More of Ruby Franke. Kevin and I, we have six children. The two youngest are showing long patterns of selfishness. They have been showing through their choices, their unwillingness to

repent, their unwillingness to feel sorrow over some pretty egregious choices that they've made. So Kevin and I have decided that we are going to give the gift of truth to them this year for Christmas. We are going to give them the gift of boundaries and we're going to give them the gift of repentance. So we sat down with them and we let them know how deeply sorrowful we've been because of the choices that they've been making and how it's affected their teachers at school. It's affected their peers. It, it's affected their peers, it's affected our home, the siblings. We just laid it out very clear and we told them that this year they are not going to be visited by Santa. We let them know that Christmas morning their four older siblings will be getting Christmas presents to open and that they will have the

gift of love from their dad and I. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Kevin and I have decided that we are going to give the gift of truth to them this year for Christmas. We are going to give them the gift of boundaries and we're going to give them the gift of repentance. So we sat down with them and we let them know how deeply sorrowful we've been because of the choices that they've been making and how it's affected their teachers at school. It's affected their peers. It's affected our home, the siblings. And we just laid it out very clear. And we told them that this year they are not going to be visited by Santa. We let them know that Christmas morning, their four older siblings

will be getting Christmas presents to open and that they will have the gift of love from their dad and I. Okay, let's just examine what we just heard. Donna Kelly joining me, former Utah senior deputy district attorney. Donna, she says the youngest two, which I believe to be around the ages of six and seven, were unwilling to, quote, repent. So therefore, while all the other children were visited by Santa, the two little ones were not because they would not, quote, repent. I didn't make that up. She said that. And after you speak, I'm going to need to shrink on this. Go ahead, Donna Kelly.

And Donna, I know you've seen this, as have I, where one or more children are picked out as the targets. Although I think all of these children have been abused and mistreated. Seemingly, one usually is picked out as the most despised and hated. And they're tortured more than anyone else. These two children, as they watch

their sisters and brothers get Christmas morning surprises, they get nothing. And then there are two children that are bound with duct tape and ropes and starved. I just want to get my hands around this woman's neck. Then not only does she do this to her children behind closed doors, she brags about it on a YouTube channel that has 2.2 million followers. It's just absolutely heartbreaking to listen to her portray herself as the victim. You know, we told these two children that their dad and I were very sorrowful.

And so she's portraying herself as the victim, which is a very common abuser tactic, you know, gaslighting the victim. And these are children. They need to learn by trial and error as they go along. And the parents need to be responding to them in that way, in a kind and loving way. And it's just absolutely heartbreaking. I can see why they were charged with severe emotional harm of these two children in the charging document. They're charged with not only torture, maltrition, but also severe emotional harm, which it absolutely is. To Dr. Dana Anderson, forensic psychologist and consultant, what do you make of the other children, four of them, getting all their Christmas gifts from Santa

and these two being left out on Christmas morning? One of the biggest days, one of the two biggest days in the Christian year, that being Christmas and Easter, and they're left out because they wouldn't, quote, repent. Yeah, she wants to make an example out of them, punish them, humiliate them. You know, it's all this sort of brainwashing, gaslighting. On a six-year-old, gaslighting, manipulating, abusing a six-year-old child and her brother. So let me understand something, Emily Ashcroft. The six-year-old child that had food withheld,

would that be the now 10-year-old child left behind in the home, starving and tied up when the 12-year-old brother escapes through the window? That would be that same child. So this has been going on since the little girl was six and the little boy was eight? One of the things that Ruby Frankie said after her arrest was that those children weren't fit to be around other children. And I'm not sure what she means by that, but it seems like it was specific to those two. Where is the dad in all this?

What is he doing? Standing by twiddling his thumbs? So at this point, Ruby Frankie and her children were down in Ivins, which is probably about three, between three and four hours from Springville. We know that Ruby Frankie was there because she shows up in a video. And that's why she was charged. She was in a video that was posted shortly before. We don't know if the dad was down there in Ivins up in Springville, how long he hadn't been there,

or maybe he wasn't Ivins, but he has the children right now. I don't know that he should have the children. Did he not notice two of his children, at least two of them were being slowly starved and tortured near death? I mean, when neighbors notice the child is starved and covered in duct tape on their extremities. Where was the dad during all this? He didn't know what's going on.

And apparently this has been going on for some time, at least since the little girl was six. Guys, take a listen to our cut 30. Torturing him. Stop it. I know you're not, but it looks like you are. Okay, Russell. I'm only going to say it one more time, and then you're going to lose the privilege to eat dinner. Okay.

I hear the laughter. I don't know what's going on, but I also hear you're going to lose the privilege of eating dinner. I hear Ruby Frankie saying that. What makes her any different from all the other abusive parents? of hair and makeup before she gets in front of the camera to Jason Jensen joining us high profile private investigator out of Utah located in Salt Lake City Jason Jensen how are we going to go about proving this case well I think you hit most of it on the head and basically we have to show that there's a pattern a history between the actor the the abuser, and her victim children. And we have that pretty well established from some of the outtakes of the YouTube channel, things that have been brought up by fellow viewers and that we've discussed here during the program, there's a history of this type of neglect and abuse against these two particular children that have been slowly brewing over time where it

was perhaps determined to be minor, not enough to remove the children from the home before. But now we're so severe that they're being bound and duct taped like, you know, abductees and they're not even allowed to, you know, venture forth from the house. And every time they get in trouble, food is taken away as a punishment. one of ruby frankie's other daughters says her mother was reported to police years before for abuse yes and nothing was done and sisters of frankie three sisters have also released statements admitting that they quote kept quiet on the subject. What in the hay is that, Dr. Dana Anderson, that the family knows, but they choose to remain quiet and let the children continue to starve and be tied up and bound? Yeah, I can't say the extent of what the family knew, but they certainly had some information.

And I think it's interesting that they've quickly made statements to the public stating what side they're on. And I wonder if what the phone log would show of them attempting to reach out or call CPS or the police. Because they've issued a statement and i'm quoting them we quote kept quiet on the subject uh now the daughter sherry has something to say take a listen to our cut 20 fox 13 frank's oldest daughter sherry frank who was 20 years old posted to her public Instagram today a photo of police with the caption, finally. She added another story saying, me and my family are so glad justice is being served. We've been trying to tell the police and CPS for years about this and so glad they finally decided to step up. Kids are safe, but there's a long road ahead.

Please keep them in your prayers and also respect their privacy. As of now, four children have been taken into custody of Child and Family Services. The sisters, who are also YouTubers, state, this is their quote, For the last three years, we have kept quiet on the subject of our sister Ruby Frankie. For the sake of her children, behind the public scene, we've done everything we could to try and make sure the kids were safe. Really? Because they weren't the public scene. We've done everything we could to try and make sure the kids were safe. Really? Because they weren't the three sisters. They were starving. They were being bound by ropes and duct tape. And what, if anything, did you do about it? Sounds like nothing. Because I have a very strong suspicion that if they had called DFACS, Department of Family and Children's Services, CPS, Child Protective Services in some jurisdictions, that there would have been a response.

Would you agree, Donna Kelly? Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. encouraged by a couple of things. And those are that a lot of the evidence is going to be admissible without the children even having to testify about some of these things. Because when this little boy ran to the neighbor for help, you know, they have observations. And also anything that he told them will be admissible. Anything that he told and the little girl told to the medical personnel will be admissible at trial. So at the very least, this case has very strong corroboration going forward, and I'm very encouraged by that. Guys, there's another person arrested. Take a listen to our cut 18, Fox 13. Eight passengers was taken down earlier this

year, and that's when Frankie partnered with Jodi Hildebrandt, a licensed therapist in a channel called Connections, where they gave parenting and life advice. Here they are pictured in Hildebrandt's home, the same place Frankie's son escaped from, and where her daughter was found being held captive in the basement. It's heartbreaking, And I think it's heartbreaking for the community that watched this family, knew that something was wrong. So people watched the family and knew something was wrong and did nothing. Now, I want you to hear more of what the sisters said.

We wouldn't feel right about moving forward with regular content without addressing the most recent events. Their sister getting arrested and her friend, Jody Hildebrandt. But they say once we do, we will not be commenting on it further. Ruby was arrested, which needed to happen. Jody was arrested, which needed to happen. The kids are now safe, which is number one priority.

Really? The number one priority? You say you've remained silent for three years? Why? Did you stand by and let this happen to these children? And where is the father? Why is he not behind bars right now? We wait as justice unfolds for the devil's mistress, Ruby Frankie. Goodbye, friend.