Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Monster Dad Leaves Tot Son to Bake in Car, Now Walks Free

Episode Date: June 29, 2024

Justin Ross Harris leaves his toddler son inside a hot car for eight hours.  The little boy experienced a horrific death, slowly dying.  Harris even returned to the car during lunch to place some it...ems inside, yet he claimed he didn’t notice his son strapped inside a car seat in the vehicle.  Now after serving just ten years, Harris walks free.  Nancy's expert panel weighs in: Kathleen Murphy:  North Carolina Family Attorney Vincent Hill:   Private Investigator Dr. Jolie Silva:    Forensic psychologist Dr. Michelle Dupre:    South Carolina Medical Examiner Robyn Walensky:   Crimeonline.com Investigative Reporter     Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Imagine in the back of an extremely hot car with the windows completely rolled up. It gets hotter and hotter with every 15-minute segment, and the air is stifling. That's exactly what happened to baby Cooper. 22-month-old baby Cooper left in a hot car to die, and in the last days, a Metro Atlanta man accused of putting him there walks free from behind bars. That's right. Justin Ross Harris released from Macon State Prison after serving only 10 years. He was originally given a life sentence for the death of baby Cooper, but in 2022, the Georgia Supremes decide to overturn
Starting point is 00:01:02 that murder conviction. Why? Because evidence came in that at the time he leaves his baby boy, his top boy in the car to die, he's sexting multiple women, of course, behind his wife's back. That's what he's doing as he gets out of the car, and as he goes inside to work, as baby Cooper dies. This is Crime Stories. I'm Nancy Grace. Thank you for being with us. There are two one-year sentences left for misdemeanors for distribution of obscene material to minors. Prosecutors said, and a jury agreed, that Harris left his son in a hot car back in June 2014. He was taking Cooper off to daycare and then on his way to his job at Home Depot corporate, but he didn't do that. Seven hours later, Cooper's found in the back seat. The dad, Harris, claimed it was all an accident and blamed sleep deprivation.
Starting point is 00:02:12 Prosecutors claim Harris wanted out of his marriage and had his sights set on having sex with as many women as possible. What happened? I'm calling 911. Where's the beat down? In Cumberland, near Cumberland. It was such a baby of having a seizure. What happened? A baby on the ground. 911 coming as fast as they can. That baby, little Cooper Harris, just 22 months old. How did a baby that precious, I mean, aren't all babies precious, at that age end up on an asphalt parking lot near a mall with 911 being called to save his life. I'm a little overwhelmed just hearing it because I know that area so well. There's cars flying by, red lights. There's a huge mall near where this call was made
Starting point is 00:03:34 and a tiny little bitty baby lying on the ground. Let's hear more of that 911 call. be correct? I'm sorry? We know the baby's bleeding. It's 300. Okay. All right. I didn't hear it. I'll show it. He's requested our ambulance to get started. Okay. We have them on the way. Who in the hay had the baby? Who had little Cooper? Who was in charge of him? How did he get there? Why is 911 being called? Well, where's daddy? Daddy was driving him home from daycare, or at least that's where he should have been. But listen to our friend Amy Robach at ABC's 2020. Despite Ross's apparent initial distress, the cops' antennas immediately go up. I think that's what police were suspicious so quickly because of his behavior at the scene. Christian Boone covered the story for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
Starting point is 00:04:46 When they arrived, someone else was doing CPR to Cooper. He was talking on the phone to somebody. Officer came up, he yelled at her. Hold on. Behavior was a little erratic. He was sitting in the back of the squad car, alternately weeping or very distraught, and then sort of looking around to see. In their mind, they felt like he was putting on a performance and not a very good one.
Starting point is 00:05:13 One of the officers, the best she could describe it as, was almost like Will Ferrell. One minute he would be yelling, my boy, my boy. What have I done? Oh, my God. Oh, my God, what have I done? Oh, boy. Next minute, he's called. You are hearing again our friends at 20-20. I was just taken aback then when you actually hear the father screaming and carrying on in the background. Take a listen to our friends at HLM.
Starting point is 00:05:40 The big word that came out today from the medical examiner's office, homicide, homicide. In the manner of death category, they've now found that this was a homicide, cause of death, hyperthermia, the overheating of the body. However, the official manner of death and cause of death will not be released just yet, but they say that the injuries are consistent with homicide as the manner of death and hyperthermia as the cause of death. Joining me now, an all-star lineup, Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family attorney, Vincent Hill, cop turned PI, author of Playbook to a Murder, Dr. Jolie Silva, clinical forensic psychologist, Dr. Michelle Dupree, South Carolina medical examiner and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, Robin Walensky, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter and author of Beautiful
Starting point is 00:06:25 Life, the CSI behind the Casey Anthony trial on Amazon. To Dr. Michelle Dupree, explain to me, what is, did they say hypothermia? This is actually hyperthermia, Nancy. And hyperthermia is just the opposite of hypothermia. This is when the body cannot regulate the amount of heat it is experiencing. So this is the body getting overheated. Okay, Dr. Michelle Dupree, this is not Hansel and Gretel, where you leave one little breadcrumb and then I run to the next one. Okay, you know what I'm going to say. Break it down.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Not everybody listening right now is an MD medical doctor who's performed literally thousands of autopsies and written a book. Okay. How do you get hyperthermia? How hot does it have to be? How long do you have to be in the heat? Is this the same as a heat stroke? What are the symptoms and what does the victim go through? Just for starters. Thanks, Nancy, for getting me back on course. Well, well again this is when the body becomes overheated and can't handle the amount of heat typically something above 104 degrees is going to cause a severe reaction but there's different stages of hypothermia it doesn't just happen all at once the body goes into stress heat stress when the person becomes dizzy
Starting point is 00:07:42 uncomfortable nauseous maybe and they get thirsty if they If they get treatment, i.e. if they get water, if they get rehydrated, then it's not such of a big deal. If that doesn't happen, the body can go into heat fatigue. And when that happens, those same symptoms occurs, but it's just a little bit worse and recovery is a little slower. The person can then actually go into heat syncope, which means that they simply faint. Once the person is fainted, of course, they still need to get help and become rehydrated. It gets worse from there. Heat cramps may occur. There can even become heat edema. There may be a rash. Finally, heat exhaustion occurs. And once heat exhaustion occurs, again, the body is very busy, weak. There may be profuse sweating. There are coordination
Starting point is 00:08:26 issues. Now there's trouble concentrating. There's a rapid pulse. Again, the person can get immediate medical attention and overcome this, but there must be immediate rehydration of the body or starting to rehydrate the body. And it's actually very, very common. I recall just recently, my sister-in-law, boss, wife, had been out in the afternoon playing tennis. She got hot. She kept playing some kind of tournament somewhere. And she comes home, gets in the shower, and she notices she feels oddly, she has a heat stroke, in perfectly good health. She had no idea anything was happening other than she was hot and thirsty. That was it. Now I'm thinking about this little 22-month-old baby. And at 22 months old, they're so helpless. They're so defenseless. Take a listen
Starting point is 00:09:23 to people I interviewed on the scene. I'm not quite sure why the father ended up in the back of the car, in the back of the police car. When he yelled out F you to the police, I think that pretty much sealed it. What was he doing in the back of the police car? Well, he was sitting there and then there were detectives, homicide detectives that came. He was about 100 feet away in a squad car and they came and they began to speak with him. But he wasn't acting out. He wasn't being violent in the back of the car.
Starting point is 00:09:49 Mr. Madden, he actually saw the tot, baby Cooper, pulled from the car dead. When you saw what was happening, what was the first thing you observed? The first thing after noticing that the body that was laying on the hot pavement was in fact a two-year-old toddler. I was about four or five feet away from him. Of course, that being Cooper and then Mr. Ross, I was about three feet away from him. And he was hysterical. He was crying out. He was screaming. He was hollering, my son, oh my God, my son is dead. Oh my God. It just seemed very real, very organic. You stated you were four or five feet away from baby Cooper.
Starting point is 00:10:30 What did you observe about him? He looked clean. I saw no bruises. I saw no abrasions. His hair wasn't pulled back. It wasn't wet. Was he laying on his back or his stomach? He was laying on his back. Okay, because the abrasions mostly are on the back of the head where we believe he was banging up against his car seat trying to get out. So was he pale?
Starting point is 00:10:52 No, he looked normal. He just was lifeless. But a stunning twist in the case of baby Cooper. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. On trial for the hot car death of his baby boy, the state claimed Justin Ross Harris was a sex deviant who intentionally left Cooper to die so he could pursue women he meets online. And a lot of them, some of them were teenagers. Harris exchanged multiple sex messages with multiple women the day his son died. One of the text exchanges was with a 16 year old girl. Now the Georgia Supremes in all of their wisdom claim that this information was needlessly cumulative and prejudicial.
Starting point is 00:11:58 Hello? No, it wasn't. That's where his mind was when he left his little boy to die. What more do we know? I'm not a morning person. And, of course, as usual, I didn't wake up when I wanted to or needed to. I was getting ready to walk out the door. I came back, and, you know, I told him goodbye, and I kissed Cooper. I kissed Cooper goodbye, not knowing that I was literally kissing him goodbye. 8.30 a.m., Ross loads Cooper into their small SUV. First, a quick stop for breakfast at Chick-fil-A.
Starting point is 00:12:30 Surveillance video from that morning shows Ross holding Cooper while they order food. On any other day, Ross would leave the restaurant and turn left at this intersection to drop Cooper off at daycare. But on this hot summer day, Ross drives straight at the intersection towards his office where he parks and 30 seconds later exits the car. I drove that stretch over and over and over trying to figure out how a dad, Justin Ross Harris, could quote forget about his baby in just literally minutes. And that Chick-fil-A video surveillance becomes extremely significant because you see in the video, baby Cooper is alive, alert, laughing, totally awake, not asleep in the back of the car with dad's mind wandering. I mean, he's just there, alive, awake. Just three minutes later, how do you forget your baby's in the car? And actually, the decision
Starting point is 00:13:26 was made right after Harris pulls out of the Chick-fil-A, because as you just heard our friends at 2020, that was Amy Robach, when he got to that red light, instead of turning to take baby Cooper to daycare like he always did, he went straight to his office. So the decision was made right then, less than one minute away from Chick-fil-A with the baby talking and laughing as much as a 22 month old can talk. It was made right then. The baby was not going to daycare. Listen to this. He walks across the parking lot, swipes into his building and leaves little cooper behind more than six hours later ross leaves work at 4 15 p.m here he is swiping out of his building casually crossing the parking lot he gets in the car seemingly unaware of his son mere inches from him in the back seat he drives
Starting point is 00:14:18 roughly a mile and a half before he pulls over and calls out frantically to onlookers tell me exactly what happened. The guy pulled in the parking lot and the baby's not breathing, it doesn't look like. At 4.24 p.m., police rushed to the strip mall parking lot where the former 911 dispatcher is in the throes of his own emergency. This child was locked in the vehicle. Kept saying, what have I done? What have I done? Laid him on the ground, started doing CPR, trying to resuscitate him. Apparently the child wasn't responding.
Starting point is 00:14:47 Well, a lot of people wonder how could you forget about your baby for that long in the car? I think I have an idea. Listen. Specifically on the day of the incident, on June the 18th, 2014, and reviewing the computers and phones and things like that of the defendants, did you uncover anything of what he was doing during that day while his child was out in the car? In reviewing the computers and phones and things like that of the defendants, did you uncover anything of what he was doing during that day while his child was out in the car? Yes. Okay. What did you uncover?
Starting point is 00:15:17 He was having up to six different conversations with different women. It appeared from the messages from KIC mostly, which is a messaging service. And is that a computer-related messaging service? It is. And these conversations he was having with these females, were these, of what nature were they? The most common term would be sexting. And not only that, sending them online photos of his penis. Let me let that sink in for a minute, because at that time of the morning, I am, you know, cleaning a guinea pig cage. I am trying to get a cup of hot tea.
Starting point is 00:15:51 I'm getting the twins going to school. The last thing I am thinking about is a picture of a man's penis. OK, now let me understand something. Robin Walensky, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. No offense to penises whatsoever. Not taking a position on that. Robin, please help me understand. What is this man doing?
Starting point is 00:16:18 At what, 7.30, 7.45 a.m.? He's just left Chick-fil-A, closed on Sunday, and he's sexting pictures of his penis and leaves his child in the car to die of hyperthermia. Thank you, Dr. Michelle Dupree. What? Nancy, that is quite the segue. I've worked with you for about 10 years. Yeah, no one wants to see a picture of his penis at 830 in the morning. That said, here's how this all started. By the way, when I first moved to Atlanta, that was my Chick-fil-A. You make the point... Oh, my stars. Wait a minute, Robin. Me too. And this was in law school. I came up here for an internship. I was supposed to stay at a sorority house for the
Starting point is 00:17:05 summer. That Sunday morning before I was leaving to come to Atlanta, found out somebody left something running in the night. The whole thing burned down. So I quickly found an apartment right near that Chick-fil-A. That's how I know the area so well, because I lived there and fought the Atlanta traffic all summer. It's at a very busy intersection and you make the point that he is seen on the video surveillance with little Cooper. Well, when you come out of that Chick-fil-A parking lot, you know, you were saying it's about a minute to the light. I could probably do that in 30 seconds. You pull out of that parking lot and you go right around the corner and there is a major intersection there with a light and to go to where the daycare is you would have to make a hard left at a 45 degree angle
Starting point is 00:17:51 or you would drive straight as we heard in the 2020 clip and 30 seconds later after you get yourself and your child your little son breakfast at chick-fil-A, little nuggets or whatever you're ordering, how do you 30 seconds after pulling out of that parking lot not take your little son who's eating the Chick-fil-A in the backseat to daycare? How do you go straight at the light? Now, Ross Harris worked at the Home Depot, not one of the stores where you buy plants and nails, but he worked at the corporate office, which is in Cobb County, where he was a web designer. Disturbing news is that the Cobb County District Attorney's Office has now announced they will not retry Harris on murder charges in his son's death. Baby Cooper died a horrible, horrible death in that hot car while Daddy sat inside in his air-conditioned office leaving baby Cooper to stifle dead to literally bake in the hot car what more do we know yes there were photos of his exposed penis erect penis being sent there are also
Starting point is 00:19:18 photos of women's breasts being sent back to him now did you actually have you located every one of these girls that he's had contact with? I have not. Have you located any of them? I've located two of them. The first one, I won't use the username, but I guess let me, for lack of a better term, the older one. Did you speak with her? I did. And what did she say? She stated that she had first met Ross and she knew him as Ross through Scout, which is another messaging service, and that he had met up and that he wanted to hook up with her. And did she talk to you and confirm the nature of what you saw on these chats back and forth? Yes, she did.
Starting point is 00:19:56 I'm going to turn your attention. Was there also another girl that you met and that you've spoken with? I have. And how old is that girl? She is 17 at this time. Okay, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay, we've got the baby dying from hyperthermia.
Starting point is 00:20:11 We've got the Chick-fil-A piece of the puzzle. We've got the I was distracted because I was sexting photos of my penis part of the puzzle. And now Vincent Hill, cop turned PI, author of Playbook to a Murder. Did I just hear underage sexting? Number one, he's married. Okay, number one. But number two, did I just hear something about an underage child? Yeah, you heard that exactly right, Nancy.
Starting point is 00:20:40 You're 17 years old and you're sending pictures of your penis while your son's out in the hot car. I mean, not only are you a sexual pervert, but you're a pedophile. You're sending pictures to a 17-year-old. Oh, my gosh, Nancy. And your son is burning inside of a car. Now, Vincent Hill, let me understand something. You wrote Playbook to a Murder on Amazon. You know, there's a lot of ways to commit a murder, many ways to die.
Starting point is 00:21:11 What about death by a hot car? That takes some thinking. That takes some premeditation. Vincent Hill. It takes thinking. It takes planning. This is not something you just at the spur of the moment say, oh, I'm just going to do this because I know it will work. And I'm sure that Mr. Ross himself was looking for ways to kill his son because there were Google searches of hot card deaths on his search history, Nancy.
Starting point is 00:21:41 OK, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Vincent Hill, excellent point. Robin Walensky, let's talk about the computer searches. I mean, hello, everybody, unless you take your computer out into the driveway and run over it with your car, beat it with a sledgehammer, you can get forever and ever information off the hard drive. Now, that's the computer hard drive itself. There's also tons of data stored out in the cloud. So it's going to be really hard to get rid of computer searches. Robin Walensky, we've seen them jump up and bite people in the neck a million times.
Starting point is 00:22:20 I don't even have to mention Tot Mom, who was looking up homemade chloroform and neck breaking. I mean, that's just one. There's so many examples. They're staggering. Robin, what did Justin Ross Harris's computer searches reveal? And guys, there is a new update in this case, and I'm stunned by it. But about the computer searches, Robin Walensky. Yeah, the bottom line is that he looked up a video and it's a man sitting in the front seat of a car talking about how long it would take a dog to die in a hot car with the windows closed in the summer. And the man in the video actually has one of those big circle thermometers, you know, where you can see the temperature that people have outside in their garden. And he holds up a big thermometer and, you know, it shows, you know, 92 degrees and how hot it would be and how long it would take your pet to die.
Starting point is 00:23:18 Yeah, that guy is a vet trying to warn people about hot car deaths and leaving your pet in the car. I want to go now to special guest joining me, Kathleen Murphy. Kathleen Murphy, there were all sorts of problems within the marriage. Take a listen to this, Kathleen. These messages and these chats, do they start in the morning? They do. Okay. And did they continue throughout the day?
Starting point is 00:23:43 They do. And when did they end? Around three o'clock that afternoon. So about an hour before he left. Overruled the objection. Now this 16 year old girl with these chats of the, or now 17, they started when she was 16. Correct. Did these, were these sexually involved as well? They were. Okay. Did she send him a picture that day? She did. Of what? She sent a picture of her exposed breasts. And did he send any pictures to her? He did. He sent a picture of his exposed erect penis. Now, we talked a little bit about these computers.
Starting point is 00:24:13 Have you guys done examinations on these computers? We have. Are you finished with your examination of these computers? No. We've only scratched the surface. Now, based upon your review of these computers and other devices that he's had contact with, is it obvious that he has deleted some of the things from cross-referencing these computers and phones and items? Yes.
Starting point is 00:24:33 Now, I'm going to turn to your attention again, like you said, motive as to his marital status, issues he's having in his state of mind. Did the wife tell you anything they were having any problems in their marriage? Leanna stated that they're having intimacy problems. Yeah, I guess so. I guess they are. With your husband sexting all these women, sending photos of his genitals to underage girls, I guess there are problems. To Dr. Jolie Silva, clinical forensic psychologist, joining us.
Starting point is 00:25:01 Dr. Silva, it's hard for me to fathom blaming your child for a marital problem, much less hurting your child because you want out of the marriage. Yeah, you know, I think what happens a lot of times in, you know, relationship issues, especially when they're having these kinds of problems, is that they're so into their own problems and they're so into what's going on internally with them that the children just become kind of this tool to use to help them advance themselves in whichever way they want in the relationship which is really a hard thing to wrap your head around if you are a parent they just they they don't have at some point they don't have the ability to put themselves in the child's shoes and understand what the child is going through, but rather use the child as a means to
Starting point is 00:25:51 get what they want, you know, turning the child against the other parent or just using the child, you know, to enhance what they want to happen in the relationship. You know, just another piece of this, the forgotten baby syndrome, is a syndrome because there are an average 38 deaths a year that happen to babies because of parents leaving their child in a hot car. And it's happening like an average of 38 times a year. And this is one of them, right? The hard time I have with it is the short amount of time, the 30 seconds where he claims to have forgotten
Starting point is 00:26:32 to make the turn to daycare. What happens with forgotten baby syndrome is that there's a part of your brain that controls for habits. So, you know, when you're driving to work or if you're driving to work every single day, that's just a habit, you're not thinking about it. So if you have to pull over to get gas, you might forget to do that because you're habitually driving to work. There's a part
Starting point is 00:26:51 of the brain that controls for habit where you don't have to think to do something. You don't have to think when you brush your teeth. You don't have to think when you back out of the driver. When you're driving to work, you don't have to actually think and make any decisions because it frees up the part of the brain, the decision-making part of the brain to think about other things you have to do. With forgotten baby syndrome, what happens in a lot of these cases is that people are habitually going through the motions and then don't think that the baby is in the back of the car because they're in kind of a fog. They're just going through the motion. And sometimes what happens is if you are doing something in your routine
Starting point is 00:27:29 that deviates from the normal routine, like stopping for breakfast, like stopping for a cup of coffee, like getting gas, you'd be more likely to have forgotten baby syndrome, which is what I'm guessing is what he is, you know, arguing in his case for. The hard time I have with it is that it's only 30 seconds or a minute where his brain would have snapped into this habit where he would have forgotten about it. So, you know, that's the hard part.
Starting point is 00:27:55 And also the fact that he was looking at the videos the day before, you know, a couple of days before. And the sex thing, you know, his mind was just totally preoccupied with something else. So forgotten baby syndrome is a real thing, and a lot of these parents are not convicted because of forgotten baby syndrome. In 2018 alone, 52 babies, 52 children died of hot car syndrome. You know, he could argue hot car syndrome,
Starting point is 00:28:23 but the Google searches that he performed just before baby Cooper's death reveal a different story. I've never ever, except in relation to this case, looked up how many children die in hot cars. How long does it take to die in a hot car? Videos explaining hot car death. Not only that, when mom goes to pick up baby Cooper at daycare and they say, he's not here, he was never brought here. One of the first things she said was, oh no, I hope Justin didn't leave him in the car. So obviously that was something that they had discussed. Take a listen to this. Let's take a listen to what happened regarding the stench in that car when Daddy gets back in and then makes his way to a movie. Take a listen. Did he approach the car at any point at the scene?
Starting point is 00:29:19 He did. About how long after the defendant had pulled over? Over an hour. And when he approached the car and stuck his head, did he stick his head in? He did. When he did that, was there anything of note that he noticed an hour and 20 minutes after with the door open? Yeah, there was a foul order or a stench coming from the vehicle. Now, did you actually access that vehicle later as well? I did. And why did you do that? We executed a search warrant on that vehicle later on that night. When you
Starting point is 00:29:42 executed that search warrant and you went inside that vehicle hours later, did you notice anything? It smelled like it was a foul order. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Justin Ross Harris, too busy sexting a 16 year old girl to remember his top boy was in the car the whole time, the whole day he's at work and the air conditioned sexting various women, including a 16 year old girl. What? A jury convicts him, but the Georgia Supreme Court decides, eh, eh. The jury should never have heard about the sexting. Uh, okay, that's BS. What more do we know?
Starting point is 00:30:34 Would it have been a painful death? Yes. Did you notice any, were there any injuries to the child's face? There were. And what were those? The way it's explained, there were several marks on the child's face. It would have come from the child or a scratch being made while the child was alive, and then not healing, not scabbing over or anything like that, and just soon after he passed away. Were there any injuries to the child back of the child's head?
Starting point is 00:31:00 Yes, there were abrasions to the back of the child's head. Yes, there were abrasions to the back of the child's head. You're hearing testimony regarding the death of baby Cooper Harris at the trial of dad Justin Ross Harris, Cooper's dad. Days and days of testimony. The father, Justin Ross Harris, convicted. Take a listen to this. The court pronounces the following sentence in the case of the State of Georgia v. Justin Ross Harris, Criminal Action 1493124. As to count one, the court imposes the sentence of, as to malice, murder, with the jury having found the defendant guilty. The sentence of the court is life to serve in confinement without parole. As to count two, felony murder, guilty, is vacated by law due to the conviction on
Starting point is 00:31:50 count one. As to count three, felony murder, disposition by the jury of guilty, it is also vacated by law due to conviction on count one. As to count four, cruelty to children in the first degree, the jury having found the defendant guilty, the sentence of the court is 20 years to serve in confinement. This will be consecutive to count one, malice, murder, life to serve in confinement without parole. What that means is even after a life without parole sentence, he still will serve a 20-year sentence. Justin Ross Harris convicted for leaving his taut son in a hot car to die. But I want you to hear about something else he complained about.
Starting point is 00:32:34 Cobb County Assistant District Attorney Chuck Boring says Ross's strange behavior continues in the back of that police car, complaining about everything from the cuffs to, believe it or not, it being too hot in the back of that police car complaining about everything from the cuffs to believe it or not it being too hot in the back seat within a minute or two of your you allegedly discovering your son deceased in the back of your car you're in the patrol car planning about how hot it is in the back of the car that struck police as well how would you expect a grieving father who had accidentally placed his child in the backseat and left him there, how would you expect someone in that situation to act?
Starting point is 00:33:09 I think it's fair to say that there's a spectrum of reactions. You can't say one person is going to react a certain way. And Ross Harris' behavior was out of that spectrum? It was absolutely outside the norm. When word spreads of Ross' arrest, an outraged public quickly comes to his defense. The community thought it was just a horrific tragedy, that it was a horrible accident. When word spreads of Ross's arrest, an outraged public quickly comes to his defense. The community thought it was just a horrific tragedy, that it was a horrible accident. I think a lot of people couldn't understand why the police were holding Ross Harris.
Starting point is 00:33:36 Well, those Google searches didn't help his case, looking up hot car deaths just before his son dies in a hot car. So even then, he's complaining when he's put in the police car. After yelling F.U. to the police and becoming belligerent with them at the scene of his son's, the discovery of his death. He's sitting in the backseat of the car and he starts complaining about how hot it is. All the cops just look at each other. I mean, really, the irony of that. Listen, we're all parents here. You know, when kids get, you know, that greasy food, they're happy, they're jovial, they're talking. And he's in the car with his son who's probably like, yes, I got Chick-fil-A, Google search of how to do a mass shooting and he left his son in the car, that's a different story.
Starting point is 00:34:32 But the fact that you searched how to conduct a hot car death, that shows your intent. You can't get around that. Well, police say they were suspicious from the very beginning when they removed his son's lifeless body from the SUV. The child had been in the car for seven hours. Justin Ross Harris, too busy sexting a 16-year-old girl to remember his top boy was in the car the whole time, the whole day he's at work and the air conditioned sexting various women, including a 16 year old girl. He was originally given a life sentence for the death of baby Cooper. But in 2022, the Georgia Supremes decide to overturn that murder conviction. And in the last days, a Metro Atlanta man accused of putting him there walks free from behind bars. That's right. Justin Ross Harris released from Macon State
Starting point is 00:35:34 Prison. Well, I cannot say in good conscience that justice was served. Goodbye, friend. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.

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