Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - MOTIVE FOR MURDER? INCEST

Episode Date: February 23, 2021

John McGuire plans to move from Minnesota to his home state of Alabama to help care for his mother. An unplanned detour into West Virginia led the man to his death. Tortured for days, McGuire was buried in a shallow grave. Why?Joining Nancy Grace today: Angela Erickson - Mother of 3 of victim's Children  Justice McGuire - Victim's Daughter Troy Slaten - Criminal Defense Attorney, Los Angeles California, www.floydskerenlaw.com  Dr. Caryn Stark - NYC Psychologist, www.carynstark.com  Steven Lampley - Author, Speaker, Retired Police Officer, and Undercover SVU Detective, Author, "12 and Murdered," www.stevendavidlampley.com, Facebook.com/StevenDavidLampleyPage Dr. Michelle Dupre - Forensic Pathologist and former Medical Examiner, Author: “Homicide Investigation Field Guide” & "Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide", Ret. Police Detective Lexington County Sheriff’s Department  Samantha Perry - Editor, Bluefield Daily Telegraph Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. A young father of four seemingly disappears into thin air and questions begin to mount. What happened to John Thomas Maguire? You know, for so many girls and boys, their father's influence means the world to them. It shapes who they become as adults. So when John Maguire seemingly drops off the map, his children are distraught. Take a listen to this. It's February and John Bama McGuire is making plans for a move. The plan is to set out from his Minnesota home to visit his mother. This father texts Angela Erickson. That's the last contact the 38-year-old makes with family or friends.

When Mother's Day rolls around in May, McGuire doesn't contact Erickson. She tells the Bluefield Daily Telegraph that McGuire always calls her and his own mother for Mother's Day. Son Jacob's summer birthday also came and went. That's when Erickson, after four months, filed a missing persons report. You know, it's one thing to miss a call on Mother's Day. It's an entirely different matter to miss one of your children's birthdays. Again, I'm Nancy Grace. Thanks for being with us here at Crime Stories and joining me an all-star panel. First of all, Dr. Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologist, former medical examiner,

author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide. She's also a former police detective with the Lexington County Sheriff's Department. Also with me, author, speaker, former cop and undercover detective, author of 12 and Murdered on Amazon, Steve Lampley. Joining me from Manhattan, renowned psychologist Karen Stark at KarenStark.com. Veteran trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney Troy Slayton joining us from L.A. And you can find him at FloydSkierenLaw.com. Special guest joining us, Mr. McGire's daughter justice mcguire and the mother of three of his children angela erickson mother of justice jacob and genesis Genesis. I'm focusing right now on how John Maguire seemingly vanished into thin air. So

John Maguire, this dad of four, is going to move home, ultimately to Alabama. So he takes off in his truck from Minnesota to drive from Minnesota to Alabama, but he never makes it. Straight out to Angela Erickson, the mother of McGuire's three children, Justice, Jacob, and Genesis. Angela, again, thank you and Justice for being with us. Angela, that's quite a trip. I guess he was driving his vehicle. Was it a car, a truck? A truck. So Angela, he's going well over 1,000 miles from Minnesota to visit his mother in Alabama, and then he's going to circle up to West Virginia. Why was he going to West Virginia? I don't honestly think there was a natural plan to go to West Virginia.

I do believe that the truck that they were driving stalled on them and then the course just took them to West Virginia to where John's girlfriend Amanda's family resides. Okay so the whole West Virginia stop was really because the girlfriend Amanda McClure had family there. Yeah. Did John make it to Alabama? He did not. So he got as far as Minnesota to West Virginia, correct? Yes. The mother, his mother lives in Alabama. Was she ill at the time? Yes, she was. That's the reason why he was going down there to move with her to help her. You know, Karen Stark joining me, New York psychologist. It's amazing what people will do for their mother. Have you noticed that? Well, I noticed that from you, Nancy, and I noticed that from me.

And so many people, you know, it's all about Mother's Day. Our mothers give birth to us and they hold our hearts. I'm just thinking, you know, my mom lives with us now, Karen Stark, and there is no way I would miss honoring her in some way on Mother's Day. And it really struck me when we were listening early to our friends at Crime Online that he failed to make that yearly call. I mean, they spoke more often than once a year, but every Mother's Day, he always called, and he didn't. That would be a big red flag to me, Karen Stark.

It's an SOS. Absolutely an SOS, Nancy. It really is. Yeah, I'm sure. To you, Angela Erickson, tell me about that, him missing the call on Mother's Day. You know, I knew that something was wrong, and there was just no way that he wouldn't have called myself or his mom, or in fact my mom for that matter, because he just did it religiously. There was no question.

When he would call you on Mother's Day, Angela Erickson, what would he say? He would say, Happy Mother's Day. You're a great mom, and I'm glad you are the mother of my children, and you're beautiful, and I hope you have a wonderful day. He always made sure that it was a good day, regardless if he was on the phone calling or he was there. And then he missed a birthday. Whose birthday? Was it Jacob's birthday that he missed? Jacob's 16th birthday, yes.

Oh, and that's a big one, too. You know, Angela, I don't know if you're like me. I have 13-year-old twins. I can't believe I'm even saying that, that they're 13 now. But that is a big day, November 4, at our house. Because we really have a great time on their birthdays and um you know i wouldn't miss it for anything nothing could pull me away from their birthday so what did you think when he missed calling you at birthday and on mother's day and then he missed calling on jacob's birthday um i

honestly i thought the worst because i knew that just there was no way in the world that he wouldn't have called his only son on his 16th birthday to wish him a happy birthday. To Stephen Lampley joining us, author, speaker, former cop, undercover, author of 12 and Murdered, and you can find him at Stephenhendavidlampley.com stephen lampley this is often referred to as routine evidence and i always clarify i don't mean like run-of-the-mill evidence i mean evidence of someone's routine for instance first thing i do every morning is take care of all the pets and my mom get the twin stuff for school ready and make a cup of hot tea if i didn't do that my husband would know something was very very wrong

right that is evidence of a routine what do you make of this lam Lampley? That stands out. That stands out more so than if somebody forgot to get the mail or was late for work. Not calling a child or mom is a substantial indicator that something has gone wrong, and that is evident. But on the other hand, Stephen Lampley, it could be argued to a jury. OK, I'm not happy he missed calling on Mother's Day, but that means absolutely nothing. Right. But for this guy, it meant a lot because he never failed to do it. A lot of guys, believe it or not, Lampley, do not call mom on Mother's Day. Shock. But true. Well, that's true. But for this gentleman, he did on a religious basis, and that's a red flag, and that does indicate to us that there is a problem. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Guys, we were talking about the sudden disappearance of a young 38-year-old dad of four. Everything's going along fine until suddenly he misses a call on Mother's Day and then his son's 16th birthday. And that is when mother of the children, Angela Erickson, knows something is very wrong. Okay, Troy Slayton, go ahead. Lampley and I have built our castle. Go ahead. Knock down our castle of dominoes by saying this means nothing. Simply not making a phone call.

The absence of committing some sort of act is not evidence of anything. Absolutely not. And people, I can't see you, but I guess you're saying that with a straight face, people change behaviors, people fall in and out of relationships. It means absolutely nothing. And it's not evidence of anything. It wouldn't survive. It wouldn't survive. Wait, don't you have children? Troy Slay objection. Don't you have children? Troy Slayton, don't you have children? Absolutely. Two beautiful children.

Okay. Are you married? I am. Troy Slayton, you say people fall in and out of relationships. That may be true when it comes to men and women or romantic love, the Eros love, but the mommy child love, you don't fall in and out of that relationship. And I certainly hope, Troy Slayton, that you as a father don't fall in and out of your relationship with your children.

Is that what you're saying? That you can love them one day and then the next day, eh? Well, there's some days I want to kill them, but no, I absolutely do not, ever. Have you ever missed their birthday? Absolutely not, Nancy. Oh, interesting. So you haven't fallen out of your relationship with your children? Absolutely not.

Okay, but you're saying that that could have happened with this guy who had never once missed calling or being there for their birthday. A lot of people are different, and it's a possibility. You know what? And certainly not evidence. You remind me of this ostrich I saw at the zoo one time in San Diego. He had his head in the sand and his butt in the air, not looking at anything going on around him. No offense to ostriches, but what

I'm saying is this evidence is hitting me in the head like a brick. So Angela Erickson, let me go to your daughter joining us, Justice McGuire. Justice, thank you for being with us. You're welcome. Justice, how old are you? I am 19. I'll be 20 in September this year. You know, Justice, you know, don't tell my husband, but you know who my soulmate is? Who? My father. Yep. He's in heaven now. But we laughed at the same things.

We butt heads over politics. I learned how to dance standing on his feet to Perry Como in our living room where we didn't quite have enough money to buy furniture. So we had a lot of dance space. You understand? Yeah. So and I miss him every single day. Now tell me about your dad. My dad was, I could say the best dad in the world. He always made sure us kids had everything we wanted and needed, let alone even more. So I always enjoyed spending time with him and I wish I could just go back and just spend another day with him. Oh, Justice, you and me both, little girl. You and me both. Now, you say he always made sure you had everything you needed or wanted.

Like the other day, Justice, John David, my son, and I like to watch. Well, he likes to watch, and I like to watch him watch kung fu movies. Don't laugh. And then my daughter, who's not into that at all, God bless her little soul, is curled up on the sofa looking at some shopping spot. And she says, Mom, can I order a pair of blue jeans? Well, it nearly broke my heart that she would even ask because, you know, some children would just do it because she has my PayPal. And I said, sweetheart, yes, please get you a little outfit. I want her not to just have what she has to have

i want her to have things she wants tuna tell me about your dad what would he do for you i don't know i would always i was i've been an oldest so he always i don't know i think me and him had a closer relationship i wouldn't say more than the other kids but i was always with him when i was younger because i was i've always been a daddy's girl. So, like, I'd be like, I want this. And he'd be like, okay, put it in the cart and then you can get it. So it was, like, always, like, pretty much, you know, spoiled justice. You know what?

You're not spoiled. You just have a mom and dad that really love you and are willing to sacrifice themselves so you can have that thing you put in the cart. Angela Erickson, the mom of Justice Jacob in Genesis, tell me about John's relationship with his children. They were, you know, he loved them more than life itself. And he would have done anything, you know, he would have stood in a bus, in front of a bus for those kids if that's what it took for them to, you know, be healthy and happy. And, you know, the one thing that, you know, bothered Justice the most is that she graduated this last year. And her dad wanted nothing in the world but to see her graduate.

And, you know, he wasn't able to be there and uh that was pretty devastating for her you know so i mean he just loved them and the bond between you know parents and kids is is is something that you just can't sever you know what i mean it's and it's really sad that he's not here to to continue that bond with our children you know i want to go to the editor of the Bluefield Daily Telegraph, special guest joining us, Samantha Perry. You know, Samantha, you, like me, deal with a lot of stories every day. There was a car crash on Main Street. The mayor is caught in a scandal.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. Samantha, with the crush of cases that we deal with, I think very often for some people, it's easy to forget. These stories aren't really stories at all. They're about real people with real suffering and real issues. I mean, when you hear Justice talking about her dad, it just adds a whole different layer of what we're reporting today. How this dad is en route on a trip and then suddenly just disappears. It really changes the way you report if you let yourself think about the facts. Samantha, do you agree? Yes, I do, Ms. Grace.

This was absolutely one of the most horrific cases I have ever covered. You know, I can't imagine how horrible this was for the family members, for his children. And it all started with him simply heading out on a trip, and then they didn't hear from him. And then Mother's Day came, and then the birthday came. And then finally, he's reported missing. Angela Erickson, who reported him missing and when? After, you know, several months of not hearing from him, I called justice and I said, I think you should probably go make a missing persons report for your dad. And she agreed. So her and

I went down to the police station and made that report in June of 2019. Now let me understand something. He had taken off in his truck from Minnesota, where you guys live, to visit his mother in Alabama, stopping by West Virginia, where the girlfriend had family, en route. Do I have that right, Angela? No, the West Virginia trip was not actually in their plans. Okay. The reason they went to West Virginia is because the car that they were driving stalled in Kentucky. And I believe that Amanda contacted her sister or her father in West Virginia to come and pick them up because the car was not going anywhere. Okay, so that's how they ended up in West Virginia. Got it.

Now, it's odd to me that we don't hear anything from the girlfriend. So is she missing too? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we are talking about the disappearance of a young dad, just 38 years old, of four children. And with me, the mother of three of those children, Angela Erickson, and his daughter, Justice. Also with me, our all-star panel, and Samantha Perry from the Bluefield Daily Telegraph. After you reported him missing, Justice McGuire, first of all, what is that like, filling out a missing persons report for your dad?

Well, at first I didn't really want to do it, but at the same time I did. It was kind of hard because I didn't want to go up there and be like, yeah, I haven't seen my dad, you know, how long and whatnot. So going up there, I was crying and didn didn't really i was just hoping for the best i was like please find my dad bring him home i want him safe so and what if anything did the police do to find him justice one day they actually went to my mom's house and knocked on her door so you know um and you know everything that went on or whatever, and they were talking to her, and she didn't even realize, like, they said you put in a missing person report, and she was like, I did? Because we just have tried to, like, push ourselves forward to try and move on, but it's just, like, in the back of our heads, like it's just stuck there. So weeks pass and no news, and then suddenly an odd twist.

Take a listen to our friend Caroline Forbach at Fox 59. September 2019, state troopers were questioning Larry Paul McClure at the Welch Detachment for violating his sex offender registry. That's when McClure revealed shocking information, leading investigators down a dark and twisted path of murder and incest. the seven months prior on February 14th, 2019. When Trooper K.M. Sadler followed up, McClure's story checked out. We did respond to the residents where the crime occurred, and the victim's remains were found on the property. How in the world does a registered sex offender behind bars,

and he's talking to law enforcement at the Welch detachment for violating his sex offender registry rules? What does that have to do with a missing young dad of four? How do those two connect? Angela Erickson, when did you learn that John, when did you learn that John's remains had been found on this property? The police came to my apartment, two officers, and when I answered the door, I didn't know what was going on. They had papers in their hand, and they basically came to me and said, you had made a police report back in June, and we were here to tell you a little bit about that. And I, you know, it was just, my heart sank in my stomach, and I was like, it's about John. And that's when they proceeded to tell me that his remains were found and that there was a murder investigation going on.

Justice, when did you learn about your dad? My mom, the cops went to her house and then she texted me and she asked me, she said, are you sitting comfortably? And I was like confused because I didn't know. I knew something. She was going to say something like that I probably didn't want to hear. And I was sitting in the backseat of a car and she called me and she told me and I just, I lost it I

I didn't know what to do so I kind of just I had to go back to my house and the cops were actually leaving because they were coming to tell me my mom sent them to my house so I could talk to them if I had any questions or anything and I just stood there crying like I they were like do you have any questions I couldn't answer them I just wanted to be like left alone I didn't know what to do to be honest with you. Samantha Perry editor with the Bluefield Daily Telegraph. Samantha what can you tell me about the location where John's remains were found? Is it rural? Is it in a backyard? What what is it? McDowell County is an extremely rural county here in southern West Virginia. It actually has the nickname of the Free State just because it is, again, it's just so rural.

And the area where his remains were found in Sky Gusty, yeah, it is very very rural very very country you know it's not a residence that you're just going to come across so you have to drive out to it I know what you're talking about Samantha Perry I grew up on a red dirt road with a well dug in the backyard

dug by my grandfather so I get it you're not just going to drive by and notice disturbed earth. So Samantha Perry, editor of the Bluefield Daily Telegraph, was his body found in a backyard? Yes, ma'am. How far from the home? I would say approximately about six to eight feet from the home. So let me follow up with you, Troy Slayton, criminal defense attorney joining us, Adam, from L.A. You heard Samantha Perry eight feet from the home. How could you not notice a body is buried in your backyard?

Don't you think that's pretty strong circumstantial evidence? It is certainly strong circumstantial evidence. And what's also a criminal defense attorney's nightmare in the case is someone being arrested merely for violating their sex offender registry regulations. Violating it? And then suddenly getting- This guy knows about a murder. And then suddenly getting diarrhea of the mouth and telling the police everything he's done since he was six years old that's not the police fault no it's not the constitution

protects you from unreasonable searches and seizures you can't be beaten or tortured or forced into a confession the constitution does not stop you or protect you from gabbing from getting carried away and you know what i bet i bet he this guy mcclure the perv the registered sex offender blurted out he knew where a body was to save his own skin from that parole violation he thought if he could cough up some info they would go light on him for the parole violation. I bet you dollars to donuts. That's what happened. He's not trying to help anybody.

He's trying to save his own skin. A spontaneous confession, Nancy, a spontaneous statement, isn't even covered by Miranda. To Dr. Michelle Dupree, joining me, forensic pathologist, former medical examiner, and author of the Homicide Investigation Field Guide and Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide. Dr. Dupree, yet another buried in a shallow grave story. Would you think that someday someone would get rid of a body not by burying it eight feet from the back door in a shallow grave yes nancy this is incredible we often see that clandestine graves are no more than 18 to 24

inches deep they're often discovered much more quickly than the perpetrator would think is that why it's so easy for for instance cadaver dogs to find bodies in shallow graves? Well, that's certainly one of the reasons, but there are many more reasons that cadaver dogs can find these, even in deeper graves. To Dr. Dupree, what would being buried in a shallow grave for a period of months do to a human body? How would that affect decomposition and therefore thwart an identification of the body? Well, Nancy, as you know, it depends on a lot of different factors. It's going to depend on the environment, whether it's cold or hot, whether it's damp or whether it's dry. But the thing is that even after about six months or so, we can often determine many things that happen to that body.

For example, oftentimes we can determine the cause of death. The decomposition rate will certainly hinder some evidence, but not all of it. crime stories with nancy grace i'm still trying to help make the connection of how this dad of four on a trip with his girlfriend ends up in a shallow grave uh in somebody's backyard and a registered sex offender trying to save his own skin blurts out the location. Well, take a listen to our friends at people.com. Authorities located the body of 38-year-old John Thomas McGuire in a shallow grave on the McClure property in sky-gusty West Virginia. According to the Bluefield Daily Telegraph, Chaudry has said that McGuire's death happened after a Valentine's Day meal and that her father and sister had accused McGuire of being a federal informant.

The outlet reports that McGuire was struck on the head with a wine bottle, tied up, tortured, and injected with methamphetamine. He was also reportedly strangled and buried, then dissented, dismembered, and then buried again. Chaudry said her father and sister told her she had to be the one to inject McGuire with meth because she had nursing experience. So you have to have nursing experience to kill somebody. You know, I'm very, very curious about the connection between this registered sex offender and how he knows about the dead body. Well, according to people.com, he was there after the Valentine's Day dispute. Guys, take a listen to our friends at People. Chaudhry said that after the murder, her father and sister went on like nothing happened.

Then about a month later, they applied for a marriage license in Virginia. The father and daughter were married on March 11th, 2019. Stop right there, please. Let me understand something. Samantha Perry, am I hearing this correctly? So the father we're talking about is 55-year-old Larry McClure. The daughter and his daughter, McClure's daughter, and he, McClure, go get a marriage certificate? Yes.

Isn't that incest? Do I understand the facts that I'm hearing from people.com? Yes. They did travel McDowell County, West Virginia, borders Tazewell County, Virginia, and they did cross the state line and they actually did marry. So Larry McClure Sr., the registered sex offender, marries who? His daughter, Amanda Michelle Naylor McClure. They married in Tazewell County roughly a couple of weeks after the murder took place. So Samantha Perry, you just told me that

Larry McClure, the sex per registered sex offender, married his daughter, Amanda McClure. But I thought Amanda McClure is the dad of four, John McGuire's girlfriend. Yes. She was the girlfriend of John McGuire. I like your answer. There's only one way to answer that. Yes. It kind of sounded like you were holding your nose at

the time and i completely agree okay so if samantha perry with the bluefield daily telegraph is correct and i have strong reason to believeuire, find out his girlfriend is the lover of her own dad? Take a listen to our cut number three. This is Katie Johnston at WCCO 4 News. A Kentucky man and his two daughters are accused of killing a Minnesota man last Valentine's A KENTUCKY MAN AND HIS TWO DAUGHTERS ARE ACCUSED OF KILLING A MINNESOTA MAN LAST VALENTINE'S DAY. THE BLUEFIELD DAILY TELEGRAPH OF WEST VIRGINIA REPORTS THE VICTIM, JOHN MCGUIRE, WAS IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH ONE OF THE

TWO DAUGHTERS. INVESTIGATORS SAY AFTER THE MURDER, THE MAN AND HIS DAUGHTER CROSSED THE STATE LINES THEN TO GET MARRIED. IN A LETTER TO COURT OFFICIALS THIS MONTH, LARRY MCCLURE FROM KENTUCKY CONFESSES TO THE KILLING AND EXPLAINS THE ROLES HE AND HIS DAUGHTERS PLAYED IN THE CRIME. MCCLURE TOLD INVESTIGATORS HIS DAUGHTER this month. Larry McClure from Kentucky confesses to the killing and explains the roles he and his

daughters played in the crime. McClure told investigators his daughter Amanda McClure was in a relationship with McGuire. Larry calls Amanda the ringleader of the murder. Now Larry, Amanda, and Anna Chowdhury are all facing one count of first-degree murder for McGuire's death. So to Samantha Perry, editor of the Bluefield Daily Telegraph, am I correct that John McGuire was brutally murdered, a painful death, because he discovered his girlfriend was in an incestuous relationship with her father? Yes, her father would basically not tolerate her being with another man. So her father had a jealous fit? She was seeing someone else?

That was her implication, yes. Let's learn more. Take a listen to our Cut 15. You also made a conscious choice to help your daughters heal. Yes, I did. Yes, I did. And if it was three days of hell for you or for them, I know what it was for him.

It was living hell for him. And they made the man sit there and they made him believe that when he woke up, he would be on the streets of Minnesota. I didn't tell them that. They did. To Dr. Michelle Dupree, former medical examiner and author, what was the mode of death, Dr. Dupree? Well, Nancy, apparently the person was injected with methamphetamine, which could be lethal. They were reportedly also strangled, which can obviously be lethal. So really, without an examination of the body, it would be difficult to tell. To Angela Erickson, the mother of John's three children, Justice Jacob and Genesis, what did you learn about John's murder? I learned that he was tied up and injected with methamphetamines, and first he was hit over the head with a wine

bottle that apparently he had bought for him and a man to have a romantic dinner on Valentine's Day with and then through you know a course of one to three days I'm not really sure they tortured him and told him that the reason they were doing this was because he was a criminal informant. And then I learned that they put a garbage bag over his head and strangled him to death. Take a listen to our friend Josh Krupp at WDTV5. Chaudhry said her father and sister began the attack on McGuire and that her father threatened her children if she didn't help out. She described how McGuire was hit in the head with a bottle of wine, tied up, then injected with methamphetamine and strangled.

Chaudhry pleaded guilty to second-degree murder, faces up to 40 years in prison. And also, our cut number three, Katie Johnson, WCCO, goes on. McClure told investigators his daughter, Amanda McClure, was in a relationship with McGuire. Larry calls Amanda the ringleader of the murder. Now Larry, Amanda, and Anna Chowdhury are all facing one count of first-degree murder for McGuire's death. So let me understand how this whole thing played out, Samantha Perry. What happened between those one and three days that John McGuire was tortured till he died? They did. Apparently he was hit on the head with a wine enough trust in each other to allow them to be tied up.

But basically, McGuire was tortured for three days. And the judge in one of the hearings actually described it as three days of hell. And Samantha Perry was the whole torture and murder debacle, but because they feared John Maguire would rat them out for incest. I'm not sure if it was a fear of telling about the incest or if it was more of a jealousy on the part of Larry McClure. And Amanda McClure stood by and let it happen, actually took part in it? Yes. And Larry McClure painted his daughters as the ringleaders. Once all of this came out, basically all of them threw each other under the bus. You know, Larry blamed his daughters, the daughters blamed their father,

and so this kind of became a blame game after it came to light. I want you to hear John Thomas Maguire's mother, Karen Smith. For you to marry your own daughter, that's low down. Low down as dirt. But I'm going to live to see you or one of your kids die before I leave this earth. God's told me. And I hope you remember how I look and how I talk. Because if I had it my way, I'd have everyone of y'all write me a letter every day.

I killed your son for at least a year. And mail it to me. So y'all won't forget it. Because I don't think y'all really care. I don't think you care about what you've done to me and my great-grandchildren. St. Jeremy's comes in with my daughters. Or St. Jeremy's comes in with me. It sounds like it's something good to come to. You're hearing Karen Smith chewing out the defendant in this case, Larry Paul McClure, who murdered her son. And in the end, you hear him speaking unintelligibly, trying to blame his daughters for the murder. part and all three are behind bars all over an incestuous relationship that ended in an illegal

marriage between father and daughter. And there in the backyard lay John McGuire. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. You're listening to an iHeart Podcast.