Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Murderous Colorado Dad Chris Watts Blames Dead Wife For Not Being More Like Mistress

Episode Date: February 22, 2025

Hours after Chris Watts made an emotional plea for help finding his missing wife and two young daughters, the Colorado man led police to their bodies hidden in oil tanks near where he worked. Now after being convicted for the three murders, Chris Watts has labeled his pregnant wife, Shanann, a “control freak,” and claims that he sought refuge with his mistress. He says Nichol Kessinger  was “everything my wife wasn’t like with me.” Watts confided to a jail mate that his marriage to Shanann was unhappy but Nichol was just everything my wife wasn’t like with me. She was just nice, and not a control freak."   Later on, Watts told the jail mate that Kessinger became “the death of me.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last days, a stunning development in the case of so-called killer dad Chris Watts, suspect number one in the brutal murder of his two children, Bella and Celeste, and his gorgeous wife, Shanann. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. That's right. So-called killer dad Chris Watts, believed by many to be responsible in the brutal murders of pregnant wife Shanann and his two little girls, Bella and Celeste, now blames his wife for his sex affair that, quote, led him to murder her and their two

young daughters. Yes, you heard me right. Killer dad Chris Watts continues to blame everyone but himself for his horrific murders of his wife and two little girls. In newly revealed letters, he labels his pregnant wife Shanann as a, quote, control freak and claims he sought refuge with his lover, his mistress, who he writes was, quote, everything my wife wasn't like with me. I cannot believe this man. He is actually blaming Shanann, the mother of his three children, two little girls and one unborn baby boy, for his triple homicide. OK, what happened in their disappearance and murders? I want you to hear the husband as he begs for help.

I just want them back. I just want them to come back. And if they're not safe right now, that's what's tearing me apart. Because if they are safe, they're coming back. But if they're not, this has got to stop. Somebody has to come forward. Somebody come forward, the husband begging for help. At that point, trying to find his wife she's gorgeous a million dollar smile long brunette hair shannon watts i'm looking at a photo of her right now with her two daughters celeste just three years old bella just four straight out to ellen color beginning as this whole thing unravels. Tell me about Shannon's new job.

I want to start with that. Shannon was having a lot of success selling weight loss patches through a multi-level marketing company. And part of what a multi-level marketing job is is recruiting more salespeople. So she was posting on facebook all the time showing how well she was doing she was getting a car allowance she's got a lexus she's going on work sponsored vacations all the time she's working really hard but she's also having the time of her life um and juxtapose this with what we later learned, that the family had been having financial trouble, and they had filed for bankruptcy in 2005.

And Chris had reportedly told some neighbors pretty recently that they were thinking about selling the home. Uh-oh. Now, here's a mom who has been devoting her entire life to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella. And then they hit hard times the dad is no deadbeat he's been working too so they fall on hard times and they have to get out from under staggering debt by filing bankruptcy she manages to land a job at about $80,000 a year. But part of that job is having to travel away from her children, which she hated.

She would leave for work. And I believe this country, they call it health supplements, this $80,000 job. She had a lot of trips to Mexico and Dominican Republic. Her work often took her away from home and that leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at home with the two little girls. During this time, she gets pregnant and they are looking forward to the birth of the first boy in the family. Also with me, renowned pathologist and medical examiner, Dr. Michelle Dupree, and forensics expert, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of forensics, Jacksonville University, and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. To you, Ellen Killorn, have you ever noticed realtors?

Okay. Realtors always have beautiful cars. I'm convinced they're all leased, by the way. Beautiful cars, beautiful clothes, beautiful cars. I'm convinced they're all leased, by the way. Beautiful cars, beautiful clothes, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's part of the image they need to project. I mean, Ellen, if you're going to go look at an apartment or look at a house, you don't want to get in a car that doesn't crank up. It's all ratty and disgusting inside. So I'm not judging people on their cars, but it's a facade that they need to present.

This mom got this job and had to present this facade. Exactly. It's part of the job to make it. It's part of the presentation to make the whole experience seem like something that you want to participate in. Her job isn't just selling the weight loss patches. It's also selling other people taking the kind of job that she has. She's recruiting as well. So she has to project an image that makes us look very, very enticing. So she starts this job and even amidst the new job where

she's really having to work and travel out of town away from her two kids she they still are considering selling the house ellen yeah that a neighbor told a reporter that just this week that that chris has kind of offhandedly mentioned that they were considering selling the house so it's really hard to say what their financial situation was like it seems like obviously there had been some trouble in the past but after they filed for bankruptcy is when shannon got this job and also chris had been working at the petroleum company so they're both working but it's hard they've got two children they've got another on the way that's a lot of financial pressure it's hard to know how easily they really were making nc because like you said a big part of Shanon's job was making the job look really, really attractive to other people.

All we know is that. Well, what was his job? Hold on. What was his job? Christopher Watts' job? He worked for a petroleum company. He's been working there since at least 2015. I want to get back to her going missing.

Ellen, when did that happen? Give me the timeline. She had just got back from yet another work trip on early in the Monday morning hours. Now, wait a minute. I want to clear something up. I want to clear something up with me, Dr. Michelle Dupree, Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist, Dr. Judith Joseph. You know, I don't know if you have to travel for work, Dr. Michelle Dupree, but it sounds so glamorous. It is not glamorous. Like this woman went to New Orleans, Toronto, Punta Cana, Dominican Republic, Puerto Vallarta, Vegas, San Diego. When you travel for work, Dr. Michelle Dupree, it is not glamorous.

I typically get off of a plane. I go straight to the work site, dragging my beat-up suitcase behind me. And I get there. I work. I work late because I want to hurry and work as late as I can so I can get back earlier, end up spending the night in a hotel, grab something on the way, and then I get up as quickly as I can, sometimes at 3 or 4 in the morning to get to the airport to get back home.

That's not glamorous Dr. Michelle Dupree. You're exactly right Nancy. It is not. It's very tiring and you are worn out by the time you get home. So tell me this, she gets back Ellen from one of these trips and what happens? She gets back late, early in the hours of Monday Monday morning he goes to work at 5 a.m. apparently they stay up together for three or four hours talking and he admitted that it was an emotional conversation so that's going to be a really big question in this case what

was going on in that quote-unquote emotional conversation well she wasn't seen again after that well you, when one partner travels a lot to Dr. Judith Joseph, renowned New York psychiatrist joining us, that's very hard. As a matter of fact, Dr. Judith, when my husband traveled constantly, he would leave on Sunday night and get back if I was lucky on Friday night our entire relationship when we had the twins I said listen something's got to give I cannot work and be on call for crime related stories 24 7 365 and you be gone it's just it well, you know what? He started his own business. So he could name his own hours.

But Dr. Judith, not everybody is that fortunate to be able to just go run out and start your own business. And it's hard when one that's very stressful on a family with two tots and another on the way for one parent to be gone all the time. I guess they did have an emotional conversation. I agree with you, Nancy. Traveling is hard on anyone. Even people who don't have children suffer from depression, anxiety, sleep disorders related to extensive traveling. And so then when you put that stress into the mix with two young children,

a husband who's bearing the brunt of things. And, you know, traditionally in our society, some parts of this country are still very, very traditional. It's not common for the mother to leave the home. And so there probably were a lot of feelings there. And, you know, sometimes people comment in the community about this. And so I'm not sure what was happening with this family in particular. However, you're absolutely right. Travel is stressful. And when one parent has to stay behind and one partner has to stay behind, sometimes the imagination goes wild and there

are accusations of jealousy, of infidelity, and we don't know what's happening in this family. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Killer dad Chris Watts is actually blaming his dead wife, his dead murdered wife, Shanann, for him murdering her and their two little girls and their unborn baby boy.

He was born by coffin birth, which means when the mom dies, the mom's body expels the baby. Yes, he was born after his mom was murdered. He was born dead. Killer dad Chris Watts blames his wife, claiming she was a control freak, that that forced him to cheat with so many women and that because of her, Shanann, he was forced to murder her and Bella and Celeste. Okay, what happened in their disappearance and murders? Her flight got delayed from Arizona because of like other storms around the nation. So she was supposed to get home at like 11. She got home at like 1.48.

She came home from the airport at 2 a.m. and I left around 5.15. She was still here. And like about 12.10 in that afternoon afternoon her friend Nicole showed up at the door like I had texted Shanann a few times that day called her say you know but she never got back to me but she wasn't getting back to any of her people as well and that's what really concerned a lot of people is like she's not getting back to her like she doesn't get back to me that's fine like she gets busy during the day but she didn't get back to her people which was very concerning and Nicole called me when she was at the door and that's when I came home and then walked in the house and nothing was vanished nothing was here I mean she wasn't she wasn't here the kids weren't

here nobody was here we are discussing the case of Shannon Watts we want justice. Shannon goes missing along with her two children, Bella and Celeste. Little tots. And to top it all off, Shannon is pregnant. I recall covering a case and I learned a startling statistics. I believe it was from the New England Journal of Medicine that the number one cause of death amongst pregnant women in the U.S. is homicide. The number one cause of death. It's not heart failure. It's not stroke. It's not anything you may imagine. It is homicide. Very disturbing. Joining me, Dr. Michelle Dupree, Joseph Scott Morgan, Dr. Judith Joseph, and Ellen Kaloran.

So Ellen, she goes missing. We just heard the husband, Christopher Watts, begging for help to try to find her. I'm thinking this too. It's not like she'd run away with another man and bring the two little girls, Bella and Celeste, with her. Also, she came home that night. She got home from out of town. She has this discussion probably related to the out-of-town trip she had to take. And then the husband leaves for work at 5 a.m. She's alive and well then. So how does she turn up dead and where, Ellen? As far as I know, there were not any accusations of infidelity on her part.

But apparently she did mention to a friend at one point that she was wondering if maybe her husband was being unfaithful. Well, according to, and yes, yes, Mark Garagos, my colleague, defense attorney for Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, Winona Ryder. He'll tell anybody a cheater, a murderer, does not make. And he's absolutely right. But I can tell you this, when you have a happy family and a happy marriage, the husband's not waiting in the shadows to push the wife over a cliff. I know that much. I also know this, problems allegedly surfacing just in the past two months because a co-worker of Shannon's mom said they may have been headed for divorce. Right when they're turning the corner, Dr. Judith Joseph, New York psychiatrist, joining us.

They, yes, they went bankrupt in 2015, but they recently had enjoyed these lavish trips and a Lexus automobile. Thanks to her new job. It took her out of town a lot. And then problems began to surface at home. It looks like they're turning the corner on all their financial problems when she goes missing, Judith. Well, yeah, I think that that's the statistic that you mentioned about pregnant women and homicide being the one cause of death is so significant.

And people don't realize this, that partners, people who are not pregnant, husbands, they also experience postpartum depression and stress. And it's not the same cause. It's not hormonal. There's a lot of transitions that people have to face when they're having multiple children. And you add the stress of finances, you add marital pressure, and maybe a third party or someone who's engaging in adultery, and then people explode. And I don't know this family in particular. I haven't treated any of them. However, it sounds like they were trying to create this facade, this appearance that things

were okay, and clearly things were not okay. Well, another thing, Dr. Judith Joseph, as Judith Joseph, everybody has those problems. Everybody that is married with a family will have children to take care of, jobs, financial pressures. And she certainly was never accused of having a sex relationship with anybody else. So why does she go missing and what does all of that have to do with her body being discovered? I can tell you this much. To Joseph Scott Morgan, I'm sorry, but I just don't think men do as well, as good a job as women do raising children. And here he is taking care of these two children. Ellen, how does it go from him taking care of the children,

and now she's dead and goes missing, Ellen? Come on, fast forward, Ellen. This is a husband who had financially struggled in the past. He is at home alone with two daughters. His wife is having a lot of success. They have another baby on the way. He could have been under a lot of stress. And he may have felt that his role had been diminished in the family.

I'm asking you, I'm not concerned about his male ego, Ellen. She's dead. And now let me just Q&A with myself here. Isn't it true cops believe she was killed in her home and then her body moved to Anadarko Oil and Gas Drilling Properties? Who worked there? May I ask you that, Ellen? Who do we know worked at Anadarko oil and gas drilling?

Name one person. Chris Watt. Thank you. That's what I'm talking about. Dr. Michelle Dupree, help me out here. Pathologist, medical examiner. You know what you and I talk about? When somebody kills, they very often will

do it or dispose of the body in a place they are familiar. And I always point to Scott Peterson. He's a fisherman. He goes fishing in San Francisco Bay all the time. He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. It's like rinse and repeat on the back of your shampoo. He fishes, he golfs, and he cheats. Where is Lacey, his dead wife and unborn child, Connor? In San Francisco Bay because he's comfy there. He goes and dumps the bodies there, Dr. Michelle. You see it over and over. Exactly. You really do. We love it when they're dumb. Yeah, and here we've got Anadarko Oil and Gas drilling one of those properties where the husband, Christopher Watts, works. And when I come, and Joe Scott Morgan, I need expertise from you

regarding how they might know the mom and the two little girls were murdered in their own home. I called her three times, texted her about three times just to say, you know, what's going on? Like, I didn't, because after I called her and texted her once, it was like, maybe she was just busy. Like, she had just gotten back, you know, like everybody's probably calling her from her trip. She just got back from Arizona. And I figured, you know, she was busy. But when her friend showed up, that's what it was like. It registered, like, all right, this isn't right.

Right now, I don't even want to just, like, throw anything out there. I hope that she's somewhere safe right now with the kids. But, I mean, could she have been? Could she have just taken off? I don't know. But if somebody has her and they're not safe, like, I want them back now. Like, that's what's in my head. Like, if they're safe right now, they're going to come back.

But if they're not safe right now, that's the not knowing part. Like, if they're not safe. Last night, I had every light in the house on. I was hoping that I would just get, just ran over by the kids running in the door and just, like, barrel rushing me, but it didn't happen. And it was just a traumatic night trying to be here. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Killer dad, Chris Watts, now blaming his quote, control freak, quote, wife. His words, not mine.

I guess she did have to control things since she was the working mom bringing home a salary, taking care of two children, trying to decorate their home and make wonderful dinners and dress the girls all while she's pregnant. I guess she did have to be a little bit of a control freak, if you want to call it that. I prefer to think of it as a loving mom trying to give the best possible home and lives to her children. And what did that get her with Chris Watts? Being murdered along with her children. This guy, if I could just get my hands around his neck. Chris Watts, killer dad, blaming everyone but himself for the murders of his wife and two children and one unborn baby boy. We're learning all this from writings, from

letters that he writes behind bars, claiming his lover was everything his wife never was. And just remember, his two little girls, Bella, four, and Celeste, three, were in his truck as he carried their mom's body to hide it at the oil fields where he worked. He suffocated the two little girls one by one as they begged for mercy and stashed their bodies in oil drums. In addition to multiple handwritten letters, mostly about himself, he shared his thoughts with an inmate, Dylan Tallman, a prisoner in Wisconsin who befriended Watts. Tallman was in a cell next to Watts and the two became friends, jail buddies. Tallman actually released a series of books titled The Cell Next Door. He says Watts confided that his marriage to Shanann was unhappy.

Really? Then where did the three children come from? Watts whined that Shanann was, quote, really busy with her job and that he was often the, quote, primary caregiver to his daughters. So? Watts claims when he lost weight and started working out, women started paying attention to him and he, quote, met Nicole. She was, quote, everything my wife wasn't like with me. She was just nice and not a control freak. Watts also trashed Nicole Kessinger, claiming she, Nicole, quote, became the death of me. He also called her a, quote, harlot and a, quote, Jezebel who led him to destruction.

Oh, okay. So now he's blaming his mistress. Okay. It's her fault that Shanann, Bella and Celeste and the baby boy, Nico are all dead. He wrote a prayer of confession, Chris Watts quote, the words of a harlot have brought me low. Her flattering speech was like drops of honey that pierced my heart and soul. Little did I know that all her guests were in the chamber of death. Can you believe this guy? What happened? I don't want anybody to get some of those texts.

Like, they have nothing to do with this. And they're just like... Between you and Chris? Yes. They're just... They're just... So, just tell me what you're... They're just kind of raunchy.

Okay. Well, I don't need anybody. Everybody's an adult. Posted like. We're not going to post it. I don't need, I don't want the newspapers to get that.

That's all I want. The only ones that we would be looking for again is the same kind of questions we're getting to here is things about his children, things about his wife, the questioning of did he ever, you know, has he ever said something to you that might indicate maybe not then, but now that there was something like this in his mind or, you know, what we're looking for. I don't need to come out and tell you that.

You are hearing the alleged mistress of killer dad, Chris Watts. And even in light of the fact that his wife, his pregnant wife, and two little girls were found dead, the mom, Shanann Watts, buried in a shallow grave, the two little girls found in vats of oil. She's still whining about how she doesn't want to hand over her cell phone to investigators because there are, quote, raunchy texts. Unless you want it on page six of the New York Post, do not put it in writing. And really, don't even say it. If it's something you're ashamed of or something you don't repeat, just don't say it for Pete's sake. And she is impeding a homicide investigation because she doesn't want the world to see her raunchy text like I care about her raunchy text.

Well, in the end, she did not impede the investigation. She handed over the phone at, let's take a listen to Nicole Kessinger, the girlfriend, the mistress that finally comes forward two days after Shanann's disappearance, after she read newspaper articles. Listen. On Tuesday, which would have been the 14th of August, you had read some newspaper articles on the 13th and the 14th regarding this case. You had also had a conversation with Chris at some point during the day on Monday.

And on Tuesday, because of what you you found specifically what you said was and I don't let me put words in your mouth but you found out that his life was spent and I yes and you did not know that prior and you found that out via the newspaper articles and that caused you concern well I just realized that he was lying to me and I was like well if you can lie to me about this what else are you lying to me about and it made me realize that maybe his wife was in danger at that point and it was day two two and she still wasn't home what did that cause you to do with your phone though Oh what when I deleted those I was just kind of grossed out by him, to be honest with you.

I was just like, I don't know what's going on right now, but you just lied to me. And I don't want to see this come over my phone anymore. So I removed it. So you just you already said, but you remove text messages. I deleted all of his stuff because he lied to me. I mean, that's what it was. It was the hurt that made me delete it. And then it was the lie that made me start questioning everything else he'd been telling me for the last few days. And that's when you decided to come forward? Yes. You are hearing the voice of Nicole Kessinger, killer dad Chris Watts' mistress during this time.

Joining me right now, in addition to Susan Constantine, Vincent Hill, Ashley Wilcott, also with me is Ellen Killoran, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. You say there are inconsistencies, and isn't it true she has some very unusual computer searches as well? Well, that's exactly right, Nancy, and the computer searches are what I see as some inconsistencies. As you hear in her discussions with the investigators, she talks about her relationship with Chris as one where he was more serious about her than she was about him. says repeatedly she encouraged him to try and save his marriage. She said he has such a beautiful family. Why not hold on to this, this beautiful home? She says repeatedly that she encouraged him to stay married and work on his marriage. But once there was a data review of her phone it looks like maybe there there is some inconsistencies she had spent two hours online um doing a google search for wedding dresses um she wait is this the same woman that searched for anal sex preparation that is correct yeah you

know it's funny how you gloss over the hard parts and you make me say them. Okay. In addition to the frothy wedding dress, I'm the one that has to blurt out the anal sex searches. Thanks, Ellen. What else did we find on her searches? She definitely, she did a search related to terms, marrying your mistress. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. What? What did you say?

She did it. She did a Google search term search of terms related to the phrase marrying your mistress. Is it true she did a search on how much she could make if she wrote a book like Amber Fry? She, yeah, I don't think it was specifically how much can I make if I write a book, but she absolutely was interested and and she did Google searches on Amber Frye and her book deal and whether people hated her. Okay. Let me remind everybody who is Amber Frye. Amber Frye was the mistress of Scott Peterson. Amber Frye did not know Scott Peterson was married to a pregnant woman.

Amber Frye then cooperated completely with police and actually caught Scott Peterson in damning cell phone conversations, wiretapping him. And as a matter of fact, there was a fear that Peterson would come kill her. But she stuck it out, and she was a star witness at the trial. It turned everything around in the Scott Peterson prosecution and the murder of his pregnant wife, L and their unborn child connor so you know here you hear nicole kessinger going wow i don't want you to find out to release my raunchy text amber fry put it out there

and completely cooperated with police she volunteered to cooperate with police and was a star witness. She then later wrote a book and I hope she made a lot of money off that book. God bless her. To Susan Constantine, deception, body language expert. You know, I've got to give it to Nicole Kessinger. Without her cooperation, this case may not have cracked the way that it did but according to Ellen Kaloran there's a lot of inconsistencies yeah there are a lot of inconsistencies and the thing is

they need to go back and be able to verify the information that she's given them but overall when I'm listening to her Nancy there's a lot of truth in what she's given them but for overall you know when I'm listening to her Nancy there's a lot of truth in what she's saying so the issue was hard to come over it's her lack of emotion you know her emotion affect is just completely off she's very cavalier her tone of her voice can is really off-putting and so she really sets herself up for people to really scrutinize her because her personality is shining through about how she you know how how she sees the entire situation and she how detached that she is the part that bothers me the most is that she's trying to pretend like hey

I'm coming in I'm the Savior work things out with your wife but yet she's trying to pretend like, hey, I'm coming in. I'm the savior. Work things out with your wife. But yet she's kind of like pushing him away, but then kind of motioning to come closer. So she's she's very manipulative. At one point, he told me that they sat down and they talked about it. And he told her that he wanted to either fix things or like to try to fix things. And if she didn't want to fix them, then they needed to, like, move forward with the separation and, like, actually file for a divorce at this point was the impression that I got from this and was what he told me. And so he said that she was, like, pretty receptive to just not trying. He was like, she seemed like she just wants me to go. He's like, when she has her mind made up,

she has her mind made up, and that's what she wants. And he's like, she doesn't want to try anymore. And he's like, and neither do I, really. And he was like, it's done. And he's like, and then the next day, I don't even know what days these were. Sometime when he was out there, he told me, we're putting the house up for sale as soon as we get back.

And I was like, well, that was quick. And he was like, it's her. She's ready to go. And I was like, okay. It's the dramatic moment cops confront Chris Watt's mistress after he murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters to start a new life with her. Why would you wipe out your family to be with me? The just-released video shows 30-year-old Nicole Kessinger being interrogated. Did you ever say anything to him about her? Never. Anything about his kids being a problem?

No. Anything about his wife being a problem? Never. Never. This shocked me just as much as I think it shocked the rest of the world. She breaks down, sobbing over the gruesome fate of the children four-year-old bella and three-year-old celeste he's so disgusting i'm so ashamed of him why why why why how i don't even understand how you could like bring yourself to do that to somebody who's like that big.

You are hearing girlfriend, Nicole Kessinger, and you are hearing our friend at Inside Edition, Jim Moray, Susan Constantine, deception and body language expert. What do you make of that where Nicole Kessinger, the mistress, breaks down in tears? Well, it came on very sudden. So that's the one thing that I look for. And also how quickly she recovers after it. So that's what I'm looking at is that it's not unusual for someone just to break down. But when you listen to her voice, there is there. I'm listening for these kind of breaks or pauses in the voice voice, but I'm not really hearing that. I'm not saying that she does not feel that way. I think that

she does. But what bothers me the most is how quickly the onset of that emotion was and then how quick it ended. That bothers me because there should be remnants of it throughout. Once she's finished making that statement, you should still hear her voice still cracking up afterwards. So even though she's emotionally upset, she quickly gets over it awfully fast. That's suspicious to me. To Ellen Kaloran, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter, you mentioned inconsistencies. What other inconsistencies have you discovered? Because I think not only was she genuinely upset about the deaths of Bella and Celeste, but also was distancing herself.

Because if she had known anything about this murder plot, she would have been roped into doing jail time right now. Yes. One thing that I want to make clear is that even though there are some inconsistencies in her story, it's also very clear that Chris Watts lied to her. She did not know Shanann Watts was pregnant. And he told her that Shanann was ready to leave the marriage when that is 100% not true. We see that. However, there's one other instance of the interrogation when Nicole tells police

that she never told any of her friends or anyone about her relationship with Chris because it was very early on and he was still you know working through a separation um but that ended up not being the case she did have a text message exchange with a girlfriend about her relationship with Chris, but she called investigators the next day and told them that. Alexis Tereschuk, not just the girlfriend we've been listening to, Nicole Kessinger, but also some other woman who played these kinky sex games with killer dad, Chris Watts. There was a second mistress, a woman named Amanda, and her name was secret all during. You know, his wife took their children, both of their parents live in North Carolina.

So she went for six weeks in the summer with her girls when they were out of school to stay with his parents and her parents for a vacation. And that is when he went wild. He was like a bachelor. Even his friends had joked with him. And this was all in the police report that the county has released. The friend sent him a text and said, how was your life as a bachelor? And he lied to his friends. He said, oh, you know, I'm just working out.

I'm not doing anything else. He wasn't working out. Working out? Working out. I can make a lot of crude jokes right now, but I'm not. Jumping into a new relationship is a little quick. It's like, I was in a relationship earlier this year, and I think this is also a little quick. And I'm like, so why don't we take our time? And I'm like, if you guys end up doing a week on, a week off with your kids,

I'm like, the week you have your kids, be with your children. And the week that you don't, I'm like, I don't even want to see you every day i'm like i think we should spend like a few days of that together i'm like because i like my space and i think you need your space i think you need your space to like develop your identity again and like get it back because i think he's just been like so wrapped up in this whole thing that he's got in his own life and his life that he i mean he doesn't remember probably what it's like to like be single or have time where it's like just him. And so I was just like, you know, like embrace that. It's a beautiful thing. And I really try to like take it smart with all that. And it was the

same thing with his kids. I was just like, you know, like, and I, and we talk about things every once in a while where I, you know, I'd be like, Hey, if I ever meet, you know, cause like I have a lot of houseplants, that's a good example. So I have a lot of houseplants. And I told I told him I was like, one day, if I ever meet your kids, I was like, I'm going to show these girls how to like paint pottery and plants, plants. I think they would love to see something grow that they build. I think it would be really, really cute. And like little stuff like that.

But it wasn't very frequent. It wasn't, hey, we should get married. And hey, we should have babies and hey i want to live with you and hey i need to meet your children now and let's cut the mom out it was never like that there was never any conversation about you know we can't do this with her around we can't do this with the kids around he never said that you never said that yeah maybe they didn't talk about the marriage and the moving in because there was a problem. His wife, Shanann, the pregnant wife.

You know, I'm listening to the girlfriend, Nicole Kessinger. Were these statements, Alexis Tereschuk, before or after the bodies were found? Okay, so she didn't yet know that the wife and the children were dead. Okay, that alleviates some of this because I was wondering how could she talk about all that when the bodies had just been recovered. You know, another aspect to this is police were listening to her, but they were probably also looking at her as a potential person of interest. Potential. She did not have anything to do with these murders. Let's just be clear about that.

So the wife and the children at this point are missing, and she's just talking as fast as she can. She conveniently left out the search for wedding dresses. Do people, quote, hate Amber Frye, who was Scott Peterson's mistress when Lacey, his pregnant wife, was murdered? How to prepare for anal sex? Oh, let's see. There's just so many to choose from.

I don't really know what to pick first. Alexis Tereschuk, I doubt pretty seriously she knew his plan to murder his wife and children or that he had another mistress. Bring us up to date, Alexis Teres Chuck. So I don't think she did know that he had another mistress. There was a woman named Amanda and she, we secretly interviewed her before her name became public. And she told us that she met Chris on a dating app. They had a really dirty one night stand. She said that he was into he wanted to do a rape fantasy, that he choked her out while they had sex. And she loved. In the rape fantasy, was he the victim or was she the victim?

She was the victim. So he was he was the one that was raping her in their sex fantasy. That was consensual. She said all that rage, all that hate towards women. I just, okay, go ahead. And she said that she really, she had a really good time with it. She thought he was really attractive and it was a really sexy one night stand. So yeah. So he started cheating on his wife, his pregnant wife, basically the same minute she got pregnant. And then he moved on to not just cheating on her, but having a full-blown relationship and a woman who thought they were going to get married. This is somebody who he FaceTimed with this mistress. So he killed his wife and children.

Why are you acting so indignant that the mistress thought they were going to get married? The mistress knew he was already married. made bed in his bedroom on his phone, his iPhone and FaceTime with her so she could see that he was in the bed where his wife had most likely died and that he was just chatting with her. She said he was staring at her very intently and he wasn't crying about his children missing or his wife missing. He was just carrying on like a flirty conversation with her, knowing that his wife was, he had killed his wife and his daughters in that merry house within the last 24 hours. Wow.

You know, it's interesting that people worry about the, you Alexis, let me be clear, worry about how the mistress was hurt. You know, to Haywood, the mistress, she knew full well he was married with children. Although, although I don't think she knew the wife was pregnant. Vincent Hill, private investigator, author of Playbook to Murder. So often the defense will be, and I remember Mark Geragos, who never agree with him, but he is a good defense lawyer, would always say an adulterer does not a murderer make. And that's true. Just because you're having an affair does not mean you're going to commit murder. But in domestic homicides, very often you will find when the wife is murdered by the husband,

there has been an affair. So the converse to me is true. Very often in domestic homicides, you will find the killer is an adulterer. True. Adulterer doesn't mean a killer necessarily, but the reverse may very well be true, Vincent Hill. They had to know they were going to dig up at least one mistress, Vincent. What's really disturbing, Nancy, is I think with this other mistress that he met on Tinder or whatever dating website it was, the fact that he wanted to play out this rape fantasy and strangle her.

I think he was kind of setting the tone of what he was going to do with his wife. And I wouldn't be surprised if more women came forward at a later time, whether it's from 10 years ago and say, yeah, he'd like to choke or strangle or something like that. So I think all the signs were there this this whole time. And luckily for this other mistress, I think she got out kind of lucky, to be honest with you. Well, you know what? You're right. You're right. And again, although we're giving her a hard time, she is

in no way implicated in his murderous plan. As a matter of fact, listen to girlfriend Nicole Kessinger. You know, it wasn't fair to his family for him to have an affair. It wasn't fair to his family for him to have an affair. It wasn't fair to me to have him lie to me and make me think that everything is the plan. And still to this day, I don't even know what's a lie and what's not.

I don't even know if they were like filing for divorce. I don't know if they were putting the house up. I don't even know. I don't even know anymore what is real and what is not. But what I do know is it's just like, you know, that wasn't fair to me either. Because if I'd have known not even all the truth, but like obviously some of it, I wouldn't have even engaged in any of this in the first place. And it just I mean, and that's the part for me, just like on my personal level, outside of everything that is happening that is gonna affect me long term it's like you know i'm gonna wake up every day and know that like this mom and her unborn child and these

two little girls are not around anymore and it breaks my heart it is so oh my god and and then i have to think about like the consequences of his actions and how they affect everybody else. Like, all of these, her family's impacted. My name is about to be, like, led him to murder her and their two young daughters. Life behind bars is too good for Chris Watts. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart podcast