Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Natalee Holloway's Suspected Killer in U.S. Court Pleads Not Guilty

Episode Date: August 26, 2023

Joran van der Sloot's appearance in an American federal courtroom was short.  It took the convicted killer less than five minutes to enter a not-guilty plea on charges that he extorted money from Natalee Holliway's mother. The Dutch national was one of the last people to see the Alabama teen alive during her senior trip to Aruba in 2005, and many have theorized that van der Sloot raped and murdered her.  During the Holloway investigation, van der Sloot told mother Beth Twitty that he would tell her where her daughter's body was for $250,000;  $15,000 was wired to a Netherlands bank account and van der Sloot was given another $10,000 through an attorney.  Van de Sloot offered a location but later admitted the information was “worthless.” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The name Natalie Holloway will never be forgotten. The American beauty, all-A student, set to go to college, goes on her high school senior trip and is never seen alive again. In the last days, a development in the state's case against Jorn Vandersloot. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. In the last days, Jorn Vandersloot, the judge's son, the main suspect in the disappearance and murder of Natalie Holloway, pleads not guilty to federal charges. The charges he's facing right now after his highly contentious

and complicated extradition to the U.S., VanderSloot has pled not guilty to one count of extortion and one count of wire fraud against Natalie's mother, Beth Holloway. The arraignment took place at 11 a.m. at the Hugo L. Black U.S. Courthouse in Alabama. Vandersloot arrived just before 8 a.m. for his arraignment.

The Dutch native, the judge's son, was escorted wearing handcuffs, a white Michael Jordan T-shirt and jeans. Why is he not in a prison jumpsuit? Take a listen to our friends at NBC. You're in Vandersloot, the chief suspect in Natalie Holloway's disappearance in a T-shirt, jeans and handcuffs, pleading not guilty to extortion and wire fraud charges. Each charge carrying a 20 year sentence if he's convicted. The family showing up in court to see Vandersloot face to face. Natalie's mother, Beth, sat stoically a few rows back, staring occasionally at VanderSloot roughly 10 feet away. She's never given up hope in the search for justice, telling NBC News in 2015.

What I care about is information as to what happened to Natalie. Natalie's mother, Beth, her father, Dave, and brother, Matt, sat just feet away from the suspect. Beth's determined expression never flinched as she watched VanderSloot shuffle into the courtroom. How did the whole thing start? Natalie Ann Holloway, last seen driving away from a local nightclub as she was just away on her high school senior trip. She has disappeared. Three guys escorted Natalie from a restaurant bar, Carlos and Charlie's, her last night there on Aruba before she was supposed to leave the next morning. These are the guys she was last seen with. This statement that the boy, Vandersloot, says,

I took her down to the beach. It was around 2 a.m., and she wanted to stay there. So I left her there alone. This girl, a teen girl, beautiful, brilliant. You know, everyone still has in their mind the picture of her out on a football field in her drill outfit, doing a dance routine with all of her friends. Her body never recovered. Her whereabouts never known. To WCIV ABC4 Charleston reporter Ann Emerson. Ann, the pain of Natalie's disappearance never goes away. And if anyone is expecting Jorn Vandersloot, a two-time killer, the judge's son who got special treatment in Aruba because his dad's a judge, to ever tell what happened to Natalie, that ain't going to happen, Ann Emerson.

Nancy, this case has just transfixed America, the media, anyone who could relate to this. It was the idea of losing your child on a senior trip as they're just about to embark on their whole life. It was just, it was more than anyone in America could even bear at the time. And we all felt like we were part of these parents' search for this child. It was unbelievable that just one, every step they took trying to get this investigation underway. It was on some level impeded, as you said, because he had special privileges on the island and confusing. And it was it was just like unwrapping this really, really complicated package that we're still unpacking. For those of you that recall the disappearance of Natalie Holloway, the American girl, straight-A student, athlete, set to go to college to study pre-med,

goes missing on her high school senior trip that was heavily chaperoned. Take a listen to our friend Rick Sanchez. Natalie, you can reach me on your cell phone. I have it, and it's set up for international use now, and I will stay here until I find you natalie a mother's desperate plea for her missing daughter natalie holloway was among more than a hundred seniors on a graduation trip to aruba they're just typical high school girls out on the beach on the beach having a good time in on their senior trip no there's nothing unusual thousands and thousands of kids going on senior trips every summer, and they should. I mean, these kids are growing up. Marsha Twitty is Natalie's aunt. She says nobody seemed to notice that when the friends left the nightclub,

Natalie wasn't with them. Everybody thought everybody had each other, because there's a bunch of them, a bunch. It wasn't, you know, 20 or so. There's a whole bunch of kids. And they all kind of, you know, went in, went to bed that night. It wasn't until people started waking up Monday morning, ready to return to Birmingham, that they realized she was missing. How did Natalie Holloway seemingly slip through everyone's fingers? Take a listen to her friend, Francis. Natalie's friend, Francis, was staying in an adjacent room what did

it feel like Monday morning when you guys were all getting ready to go and you realized that she wasn't around we immediately knew something was wrong because she would her roommates knocked on my door and said that they didn't know where she was we went straight to the chaperones and they immediately started working on it they suspected Natalie was still on the island because in her room they... Found her luggage. Right. Found her passport.

Right. But no Natalie. Right. Aruban authorities have been joined by the FBI in the search. So far, there has been little to go on. Three Aruban students did tell investigators, though, that they dropped Natalie off that night at her hotel. But something about that story doesn't sit right with Natalie's aunt.

Well, it certainly didn't sit right. And that story quickly changed. Joining me, Raul de Manchanda, attorney, international law expert, author of a book series, Deep State Defector. Raul, thank you again for being with us. Explain to me the legal mechanics about how Jorn Vandersloot can ever be brought to justice for Natalie's murder. In this case, it was a hallmark case

in the sense of international law, and it kind of held up foreign investigatory bodies to a scrutiny of the standard maintained by the U.S. The FBI, for example, Secret Service Service had gotten involved because they were so frustrated with the relative slowness and laxity of the local Aruban investigation. And I really believe in retrospect hindsight that all the stuff that happened, the Peruvian angle, you know, all these other issues really are sort of an offshoot of the, you know, really lack of ability in the first 48, as they would say, to really get a handle on this case. It seemed to

me that this, you know, like you said, there was issues about the judge being his father, there was corruption issues, maybe assistance by local police departments or investigatory bodies. But this case really just ran away from the local investigations. And now look at where we are with this extortion money, which, you know, he received the money and is now spending it. That would that would be enough for personal and subject matter jurisdiction. We just heard Raul Manchanda state that Yvonne VanderSloot had gotten extortion money. What's he talking about, Ann Emerson? The extortion money. Well, what happened was he had contacted a lawyer from Beth Holloway Twitty. She was remarried and Beth Twitty had contacted a lawyer on her side and had said that he had information. Now, this is when he was in Aruba. And when he wanted to give them where their daughter's remains were, he said he knew where her remains were.

And for $250,000, that information could be theirs. But I don't think at any point the mother was looking to get the truth out of him because he had been so untruthful all of these years. It was just lie after lie. This was about actually trying to catch Joran van der Sloot and get him and bring him to justice. And this this extortion plan was walks that just going all the way with the FBI, trying to make sure that they got him. Now we're talking about two hundred and fifty,000. She actually did a test about what the wire that he asked for that to transfer money. And she spent, she, she just sent a hundred dollars to see if it actually worked and it did. And that sort of, uh, that was the catalyst to kind of go

into this whole wire fraud extortion scheme and, and a sting with the FBI. They set it up. They got $10,000 to your banders load. They were transferring $15,000. And that with the FBI. They set it up. They got $10,000 to Jorn Vandersloot. They were transferring $15,000, and that was the deal, $25,000 ahead of time. Somehow, Vandersloot gets the money and escapes Aruba with Beth's money. Stephen Lampley, Raul Menchanda said something really important. Well, he said a lot of important things, but he also said the case was screwed up with Natalie in the first 48. Explain what Raul Menchanda, who's an international law expert, was talking about.

Nancy, if you're talking about the first 48, that is the most important time frame for any investigation. It's sort of like the golden hour for EMTs. It's just the time frame that we want to be fully active. We want to pull out all the resources, and we want to try to find everything we can in the first 48 hours because it's just the matter of life. After 48 hours, the propensity to solve the crime lessens with every hour thereafter. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace the hearing that just went down at the hugo l black u.s courthouse

only lasted a little under five minutes at the very beginning vandersloot turned down the services of a dutch translator bragging my english is actually pretty perfect. Ugh. Take a listen to our friends at ABC. A 35-year-old pleaded not guilty to those extortion and wire fraud charges. VanderSloot started out by choosing not to use an interpreter in court, telling the judge that his English is perfect and that he didn't need one. Right after the three-minute arraignment, I caught up with Beth Hallway's spokesperson. He told me that she's relieved that VanderSloot is here in the U.S. after such a long process. Judge Gray Bowden asked VanderSloot if he understood all of his constitutional rights and the extortion and wire charges against him.

VanderSloot responded, yes, sir, each time. Well, unlike Brian Koberger, he did plead not guilty. Remember, Koberger just stood there and remained silent. The prosecution asked that Vandersloot stay in U.S. custody because of the treaty it has with Peru, where he still faces the rest of his sentence and the murder of Stephanie Tassiana Flores. He was being held at the Hoover City Jail, but was moved to the Shelby County Jail after the arraignment. How did we end up here? Because he was a judge's son there in Aruba, he slipped through the fingers of Lady Justice, and he ended up murdering, five years to the day, Stephanie Tassiana Flores. Same M.O., modus operandi method of operation.

Art Harris meets her at a casino. She's a young girl. Now she's dead. I don't want it to happen again, Art. Nancy, everyone knew on Aruba that this was his M.O. that he preyed on young women the night before they were to come back to the U.S. if they were on one of these trips. And so he is not, he was more of a danger in Aruba, well, than I suppose he was in Peru,

except he killed a Peruvian gal as well. But he is, you know, just beyond the pale, he's just pure evil. He is pure evil, and I don't know how he's. Well, actually, I think you're right. I started to disagree with you. But I think he was more dangerous in Aruba because he had free reign and the protection of his father, the judge and the protection of the police there. They did not remember Cheryl McCollum guys with me. Cheryl McCollum, she and I, along with Natalie's mom, went to Aruba to retrace the steps as we know them to see if we could dig up any information. And we did. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute and star of a hit podcast, Zone 7. Cheryl, he had the protection not only of his father, but of the police in Aruba.

And that bore out with what Beth told us about how they treated her and would not help her in any way. She's alone in a foreign country, trying to find her daughter with no help from the police. And then they tried to arrest us. I mean, long story short, they did nothing. So he did have it, more of a free reign in Aruba to prey on young women. He had free reign and he had help.

He had associates that would drive him. We were told when we were there that there were bartenders that would flip the Rohypnol to victims. We were told when we were there that there were bartenders that would flip the Rohipnol to victims. We were told that. And then when we were there, not only did they try to arrest us, but they followed us around everywhere we went. And then to me, the most shocking thing was when we went across the street to all the businesses. And one by one, they slammed the doors, locked them and turned the open sign to close. They wouldn't even let us in a store to get a bottle of water. Nobody wants the truth about Natalie to be found on that island. And that is why it is so imperative that we get him here.

Take a listen, our friends at NBC. Authorities may take the main suspect in the disappearance of Natalie Holloway to the U.S. in just a matter of days. Yoron Vandersloot was moved on Saturday from one Peruvian prison to another, all in preparation for his extradition to the United States to face charges of extortion. Holloway, you will remember, vanished while she was on vacation in Aruba in 2005. Her body never was found. But interesting, he is not, Jorn Vandersloot is not being brought to the U.S. even as we speak because of Natalie's murder. He's here on entirely different charges. Take a listen to Jay O'Brien. Prosecutors allege Vander Sloot promised Holloway's parents he'd divulge the location

of her body and give them details about the manner of her death, allegedly asking to be paid $250,000 with $25,000 up front. He's then accused of giving information that was worthless. Vanishing in Aruba during a graduation trip, 18-year-old Natalie Holloway's body has never been found. She was officially declared dead by a judge in 2012. VanderSloot was one of the last people to see her alive. Straight out to Dr. Chloe Carmichael joining us, clinical psychologist, author of Nervous Energy,

Harness the Power of Your Anxiety. And you can find her at drchloe.com. Dr. Chloe, thank you for being with us. So here's a guy that I firmly believe killed Natalie Holloway, a teen girl, straight A student, set to go to college in pre-med. I don't care how it happened, but he did it. He's given various accounts of how Natalie died over the years. They're all inconsistent with each other and all

of them amount to, if not murder one, premeditated murder, they amount to felony murder, a death occurring in the commission of a felony, that being rape, that being sodomy, that being kidnapped, false imprisonment, aggravated assault. It could be a number of various felonies and a death occurred during the felony, which equals felony murder. No doubt in my mind. So we've got a guy who I believe murdered this teen girl now trying to squeeze $250,000 out of the victim's mother. What does that tell you, Dr. Chloe? Sociopath. My goodness, Nancy, I think you hit

the nail on the head. And honestly, I'm inclined to agree with your feeling that he appears likely to have done this murder and then to essentially toy with the family by trying to extort them for money. I'm glad that they are extraditing him back so that the family can at least begin to have some shred of accountability with what appears to just be a really vicious sociopath. And, you know, Matthew Mangino joining me, high profile lawyer joining us out of Lawrence County, author of The Executioner's Toll. And you can find me at mattmangino.com. Matthew, thank you for being with us. Thank you, Nancy. So often we hear about how prisoners are, quote, misunderstood. I'm sure that I misunderstand them. I don't want to understand them, really, because I don't want to go in their brain, in their mind, and try to figure them out.

Now, not everyone behind bars is a, quote, bad person. But think about Jorn Vandersloot. He murders a defenseless teen girl that I believe he drugged with GHB, gamma hydroxybutyrate, and then she ends up dead. I also believe he raped her because he described in detail the designs, I believe they were flowers, on her underwear. Now, he's trying to extort money from the victim's mother, desperate to find Natalie, or at least find her remains. You know, I'm not even mentioning the murder of Stephanie Tassiana Flores, or the woman he got pregnant behind bars in Peru, who now he's divorcing for someone, quote, younger and prettier, or the drug scheme he has behind bars. Forget that. Forget all that. Just the murder of Natalie and trying to extort money from her mother.

You know, I mean, certainly we know from from his track record here that he's he's not a good person man wait a minute not a good person right but that is certainly putting perfume on the pig not a good person he's a repeat killer that's a serial killer right there well but we we know that he's murdered one person because he's received a 28 year sentence. You believe he's murdered another person. And but that hasn't been proven in the court of law. So and we can't but we can't just say, hey, you know, he you know, this is his M.O. We don't know that he that he killed Natalie Holloway.

OK, I'm sorry. Is there something wrong with my IFB? Because I'm pretty sure I heard Matthew Mangino say we don't know that he killed Natalie Holloway. All right. Art Harris, I'm pretty sure. Wait, no, I'm not pretty sure. I'm convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that Jorn Vandersloot killed Natalie Holloway. And again, I'm not saying he woke up that morning and thought, well, I'm going to kill Natalie Holloway and had some long extended plans of just poisoning her over a period of time. It could have been a matter of him raping her. And she started throwing up

the GHB on the beach and ended up dead. That's felony murder. crime stories with nancy grace in the last days jordan vandersloot the judge's son from aruba who many believe kidnapped raped and murdered an murdered an Alabama beauty, Natalie Holloway, has appeared in a U.S. courtroom and pled not guilty. I mean, really, what did you expect for him to tell the truth? Pleading not guilty to extorting Natalie's mother thousands of dollars. And we may never get a murder conviction on Natalie's death because that would have to be done in Aruba. Sadly, I'm going to dare to circle back to Matthew Mangino in a moment to explain why we have to try that case in Aruba. But Joe Scott Morgan joining me, professor of forensics, Jacksonville State University, who has an incredible criminal science department.

I've been there. I've toured it. I've seen it at work. It's amazing. Author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and host of Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, he did it. And I hear Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor, now defense attorney. I get where he's coming from. He did it. And I hear Matthew Mangino, former prosecutor, now defense attorney. I get where he's coming from.

He did it. I don't care what Mangino says. He did it. I don't know how he did it, Joe Scott, but he did it. He killed her. The problem is that the problem is there is no. I need a double. There is no corpus delecti,

Nancy. There is no body when it comes to the physical person of Natalie Holloway. You know what? Being a quote, esteemed professor of forensics, I expected more than there's no body. Well, it's a,

it's a tough road, Nancy, when you don't have a body because, you know, just the basic things like manner of death, cause of death. Those things are you can only speculate about that. And I think that that's probably what Matt is getting to, at least in that one little segment. surrounding Natalie Holloway and also his predatory behavior based upon what we're hearing from these other witnesses associated with him where he would actually spike drinks.

And this was a common occurrence at this one particular bar down there where he could take advantage. I think one of my big questions, Nancy, here is why is Ruben not motivated to look into a lot of other deaths that have occurred down there where we have missing young women that have never turned back up? Did he have a hand in that? You used the term serial killer just a moment ago, and I think that that's something that should deeply, deeply be explored down there because it's quite troubling. And is there anybody else at work down there in that area that knows that their crimes

will be assisted in facilitation? You know, Joe Scott, I've always respected you. I don't always agree with you, but let me just be blunt. What fairy tale are you living in, man? Aruba is no more going to investigate missing girls and women on their island than the man in the moon is going to because you just heard art harris pipe up tourism who's going to put a toe on aruba when you know women go missing and drop dead like flies it's no they're not going to uncover anything you know cheryl mcum, I'm deeply disappointed by certain

members of our panel today and they shall remain nameless, but they're saying we don't know if Joran Vandersloot murdered Natalie. What about his multiple confessions? They're all, you know, inconsistent. If somebody accused me of murder, I'd say, oh, H-E-L-L-N-O. I was so-and-so at that time. That did not happen. You're not taking me away from my twins. It's not going to happen. But here he goes, okay, let me tell you how it happened. She hit her head on a rock.

She choked on vomit. She this, she that. We buried her. No, we threw her out at sea. Why would he give all of these confessions? Help me, Cheryl. I obviously have some nonbelievers I must ferret out on the panel. Not only has he admitted it multiple times, but I want to remind everybody he wrote a book.

He wrote a book where he put his face on the cover and said, The Case of Natalie Holloway, My Own Story About Her Disappearance. In the title, he says it's a case because he knows it's a criminal case. And in that book, Hit Mets the Line, in that book, he said he found himself at the wrong place at the wrong time and made a wrong decision. You mean he found himself with her dead body. That's what he meant. Exactly. And then we have the similar transaction with Stephanie Flores.

Then we have his friend coming forward. Remember this guy that says, oh, we burn her up and mix her bones in with some dog bones. But they did find a human bone of a Caucasian European person. And Aruba did what with that? Nothing. They don't want it. They don't want any negative publicity because of their tourism. We know for a fact they have human bones that are not Natalie, but somebody else,

and they will do nothing with it. Guys, how did the extortion scam begin? What is the genesis of Jorn Vandersloot extorting Natalie's mother? Can you imagine that? You know, Art Harris, you and I, you on the media side, me as a felony prosecutor, handled a lot of murder cases. And there is no grief like a murder victim's mother endures. Nothing like it. You have children. You have your beautiful boys. I mean, that changes everything. And to take advantage of Natalie's mother in that way, what a P.O.S. technical legal term.

Nancy, he's a con man with less of a conscience than most because he is willing to prey on someone whose heart is so broken that they are willing to do anything to find any information that they think this guy is going to cough up. And if they have to pay for it, fine. But they also know the FBI is washing and they're laying a trap they hope that's going to lead to what just happened which is making the case for extortion and wire fraud against mandersley where they she can get a piece of him at least a 10 to 20 year sentence that would let him spend part of his natural life here and then he gets shipped back to the horrors of

Peruvian prison. So life ain't looking too good for him. I can only pray, Art Harris. Guys, what is the genesis of the $250,000 demand? Take a listen to our friends at WCSC. In 2010, a $250,000 reward for information was offered. Vandersloat stepped forward. According to legal documents, he would reveal the location of Natalie Holloway's body, the circumstances of her death, and identify those involved in return for a payment of $250,000. The Holloway's attorney went with Vandersloat to a home in Aruba, and a $25,000 down payment was given to him. Once there, Vandersloat pointed to the residents and said that Natalie's body would be found in the foundation.

Vandersloat emailed the Holloways after fleeing to Peru, saying he had lied about the location of Natalie's remains. And what did he do with the 25 grand he scammed from Natalie's grieving mother? Listen to this. Surveillance video from a Lima casino shows Vander slowed gambling. It is believed with the 25,000 he got from the Holloway family. There he met the daughter of a prominent Peruvian businessman, Stephanie Flores. Hours later, she was dead. I am truly regretful for what I have done. Vandersloot admitted to the violent murder and was sent to prison. So he gets the 25 grand that he extorts from Natalie's mother, goes straight to Peru and spins it, spins it at casinos. And there he meets Stephanie Tosiana Flores. I want to talk about what's happening to Joran Vandersloot. Take a listen to this. Jor in vandersloat one of peru's highest

profile inmates injured during a brawl in one of the country's most violent prisons it was a fight among some inmates and my client got involved when he tried to defend his friend vandersloat is in prison for killing a woman in peru 13 years ago i want to give a sincere confession. A sincere confession. My rear end. There is not one sincere bone in your and VanderSloot's body. Take a listen to J. O'Brien, GMA. His lawyer telling ABC News he was severely beaten in the Peruvian prison where he was being held,

but that the incident is unrelated to VanderSloot's extradition. He's now expected to be handed over to peruvian intelligence agents then delivered to u.s officials and ultimately brought to alabama where the dutch national faces more than a decade-old federal extortion and wire fraud charges tied to holloway's disappearance joining me right now an expert in extradition and foreign government relations with the U.S. as it relates to our justice system. Irv Brandt is with us, senior inspector with the U.S. Marshal Service, their international investigations branch. Chief Inspector DOJ, Office of International Affairs, author of Solo Shot and Flying Solo on Amazon.

Irv Brandt, two things. I'm very suspicious of the beating incident, which caused him, we understand, to be moved to a different jail in Peru. I don't like it. He could have been put in solitary. Any number of measures could have been put in solitary any number of measures could have been taken other than moving him and it is very often in a jailhouse move I mean look at Bundy he escaped at the courthouse in the law library

whenever there's a change of conditions if you look at escapeeses, very often the escape takes place when they are being transported. So he gets in a fight and has to be transported to another jail. What? They don't have another cell at the current jail he was in? I don't like the smell of that right there. No, Nancy, it stinks to high heaven and arouses suspicions on the motivations of the people handling him. Maybe the motivations of him. Maybe he was intentionally trying to get into a fight so he could get into a medical wing. There's a lot to be considered when you're handling prisoner transfers.

And why now? He's been in jail for murdering Stephanie Tosiano Flores, same M.O., modus operandi, method of operation, as with Natalie at a casino. Young female lures her away. She ends up dead. Why now does he suddenly get in a fight and have to move jail facilities? They moved him from his facility to the facility in the Capitol.

And that's probably what started the fight is he is in a brand new facility with inmates that have never come in contact with him before. You're right. And he got into an altercation. And I'm sure he's in isolation now until he can be turned over to the FBI, who I'm sure have the paperwork done. They have the parole letter. They have a jet waiting. Just as soon as he's turned over to them, they're going to go wheels up and they'll be heading for the U.S. And just as soon as he lands in the U.S., just as soon as they get him back to Alabama, they're going to bring him in for his initial appearance in detention hearing where he'll

be remanded to the custody of the United States Marshals Service. Another question to Irv Brandt joining us, U.S. Marshals Service International. Why is it shrouded in secrecy, the extradition process? They always get the prisoner in the middle of the night. Why is that? It's just security precautions that are standard in every extradition with high profile cases, even more. If you announce it, you're going to have news helicopters flying around, uh, when you're trying to get a shot of him being loaded on the jet, you're going to have, you know, people gathered around in terminals or places where they land.

Uh, it's just something that you try to avoid the less who know, the more control you have over the situation. Like you said about fearing an incident in transitthouse without some incident on the jail transport bus, somebody getting stabbed with a pencil or a fight breaking out or the witness getting intimidated just on the 20-minute ride to the courthouse, much less a transcontinental flight from Peru to the U.S. There's a lot that could go wrong. There's a lot that could go wrong, but I'm going to tell you, the marshal service are top drawer.

He's going to be handcuffed. They already know he's a con artist. They already know what he's about. They are not going to be fooled. They are not going to be impressed. They are going to have zero issue getting him to Alabama. And once he's there, it's going to be a different world for him. I promise you he ain't going to be running drugs there.

He ain't going to have no clinical visit there. It's going to be a completely different world immediately. It doesn't always end the way we think it will when it comes to extraditions. It's frankly a miracle that we've gotten this far and it's taken two decades to get this guy extradited to the U.S. Do I need to say the name Roman Polanski? Take a listen to Euronews. Poland's Supreme Court has ruled that filmmaker Roman Polanski cannot be extradited to the U.S. over a child sex conviction in the 1970s. The three judges rejected an appeal by the Polish government. A district court in

Krakow had also ruled the American demand was inadmissible. The Supreme Court's decision is final. The United States had requested the Oscar-winning director's extradition after he made a high-profile appearance in Warsaw two years ago. Polanski, who's now 83, admitted unlawful sex with a 13-year-old girl in 1977. He spent six weeks in jail after a plea bargain, but then fled the US fearing a lengthy jail sentence if the agreement was overruled. His victim has said the filmmaker's exile has been punishment enough. Polanski has dual French-Polish nationality and lives in France, which doesn't extradite its citizens. So there you have France refusing to extradite an

alleged child rapist Roman Polanski. On the other hand sometimes it all works out the way you want it to. Take a listen to our cut 107 our friends at ABC. This dramatic moment was the beginning of the end for Joaquin El Chapo Guzman. After his long run from the law, repeatedly escaping authorities, he was now caught. He had no idea where he was being taken. In this never before seen video obtained by ABC News, this was the moment when the notorious drug lord learned he had landed in New York. He had been brought to the U.S. to face justice. What about a single female hiding out in Costa Rica?

Take a listen. His name, Caitlin Armstrong. Ring a bell to our Cut 100, our friends at Fox 7. Armstrong used a passport. Now, the real identity of the person who had that passport, we're told, was somebody who closely physically resembled her. She continued using that alias while in Costa Rica, taking a bus, going to yoga studios. This enabled authorities to establish a paper trail and eventually close in on her. And when Caitlin Armstrong was finally found, she actually had cosmetic surgery to change her appearance.

That said, Cheryl McCollum, it's a miracle that Judge's son, Jorn Vandersloot, in a court of law, finally on U.S. soil. Well, this is just the beginning of a long and painful process where Jorn Vandersloot will be tried for extorting blackmailing through wire fraud. Natalie's mother, from what I know about Beth Holloway, she is going to see it through to the bitter end. God bless her and Natalie's entire family. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend.