Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - New Claims Against Real Estate Moguls Alexander Brothers

Episode Date: June 1, 2025

New claims emerge in the charges against the Florida real estate brothers, twins Oren and Alon Alexander and their older brother Tal. A new superseding indictment charges the Alexander brothers with additional counts of alleged sex trafficking with  included more alleged victims. . One of them involves a minor. Six new alleged victims now form the basis for the criminal charges. An individual identified as Minor Victim-3 was trafficked, even though Alon and Tal Alexander would have had a "reasonable opportunity" to observe she was not yet 18, the new indictment alleged. The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and influence to create opportunities to sexually assault women. More than 40 women have come forward with allegations, and investigators are urging others who believe they were assaulted to contact authorities. Attorneys for the brothers say they plan to plead not guilty. If convicted, they face life in prison. The three brothers come from a high-profile real estate background. Tal and Oren brokered a $47 million deal for their father in 2012 and a $240 million Manhattan condo sale in 2019. Alon attended law school before joining the family's private security company, Kent Security. Each brother has been accused of forcible rape by at least 10 women. All three are indicted on federal sex trafficking charges, while Oren and Alon also face sexual battery charges in Florida. The Alexanders have denied the allegations in civil cases, with their representatives suggesting the accusers are attempting to extort them. Court documents detail accounts from alleged victims. "Victim-1" claims she was raped by Tal Alexander and other men in 2021 at a home in the Hamptons. She says she felt unwell after drinking a glass of wine, then recalled Tal holding her down as another man entered the room. She later woke up in a separate room, where a camcorder was set up. Another alleged victim, referred to as "Victim-2," told investigators that Oren raped her. She says Oren gave her a cocktail, after which she felt strange and struggled to walk. Alon then took her to a bedroom to lie down. She recalls waking up to find Oren in the room. He allegedly pulled down her bathing suit and raped her while she was "physically impaired and could not move."  Joining Nancy Grace today:  Neama Rahmani – Former Federal Prosecutor-turned-Trial Attorney; Author: “Harvard to Hashtag;” INSTAGRAM: @Neamarahmani/ X: @NeamaRahmani   Caryn L. Stark – Psychologist, Renowned TV and Radio Trauma Expert and Consultant; Instagram: carynpsych/FB: Caryn Stark Private Practice Bill Daly – Former FBI Investigator and Forensic Photography, Security Expert Lynn Shaw  –  Founder and Executive Director of Lynn’s Warriors  Host of Lynn’s Warriors on YouTube, lynnswarrior.org,   X: @lynns_warriors Youtube: @LynnsWarriors Christina Aguayo – National News Anchor, Salem News Channel, website: www.ChristinaAguayoNews.Com, Facebook: @ChristinaAguayoNews, Instagram: @Christina.AguayoNew See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Even referred to as real estate royalty. Now, in the latest, two Alexander brothers are facing more sex crimes, including crimes against an underage girl. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

The so-called real estate royalty, Alexander Brothers, are facing new claims of sex trafficking. Those claims have been expanded to include six additional victims, including an underage little girl. This isn't just a claim by other victims. It's according to a new superseding indictment filed by Manhattan federal prosecutors. What is a superseding indictment? When you're arrested, okay, you're arrested on charges filed by police, okay?

So you could be arrested for, let's just say, burglary. But then when the prosecutor looks carefully at the case, in indictments division, they see, oh, this isn't just a burglary. The perp went into the home with a gun and pulled the gun on the homeowner before they took the TV. Okay, so that means it's not just a burglary. It is a robbery, an armed robbery. So the legal elements may dictate a change in the charges. So you've got the original charges that police may rest you on, for instance, burglary. Then you have an indictment, which is handed down typically by a grand jury.

Grand jury, what is that? A petit jury is a jury of six or 12 that hears your case, hopefully with a couple of alternates. A grand jury is 20 to 30 to 40 people, depending on the jurisdiction, that hear cases usually rapidly, and they decide, will there be a true bill of indictment or a no bill, deciding not to charge the person. A superseding indictment may come later, which means after the first indictment has been handed down by the grand jury, other charges typically, it's other charges, it could be other facts, but typically new and additional charges are added to

the charges in the old, the first indictment. Now we've seen superseding indictments in the Sean Combs Diddy case. Wow, they had a lot of charges. But let's get back to the Realty brothers, Orrin and Tal Alexander. They're the twins. And another brother is involved as well. There's three brothers charged. There's Orrin and Tal Alexander who reigned over the luxury real estate markets in New

York and Miami, as well as Orrin Alexander's twin, Alon Alexander. Now they were first charged in Manhattan accused of sex trafficking two victims by force, fraud, or coercion. All three brothers were accused of trafficking the first victim. Tal Alexander was accused alone of trafficking the second. This new indictment widens the charges against all three brothers. It says one or more of the brothers variously used force, coercion, fraud, tricking someone, and trafficking the five women and the girl, the underage girl.

Okay. Reset. What do we know about this case? Who are these people other than so-called real estate royalty? They ain't too royal. A trio of brothers, luxury real estate agents to the super rich, indicted on federal sex trafficking and battery charges. Claims go back more than a decade.

Claims going back more than a decade, try two decades. Now 40 women that we know are the claiming these filthy, rich, real estate moguls took part in rape after rape after systematic rape and that the allegations go back to when they were in high school. All that money, all that privilege and education has bought them a one way ticket to hell with a pit stop and the federal penitentiary. That's my prediction, but I want you to hear what Damien Williams,

the U.S. attorney, has to say. The Alexander brothers and other men they plan the trips with paid for the flights or accommodations for the women on these trips. And at times the defendants handpicked the women to invite. At other times, they used paid party promoters to source women for them. The indictment also alleges that in advance of these events, the Alexander brothers and others procured drugs that they agreed to provide to the women, including cocaine, mushrooms, and GHB. As we allege, these drugs caused some of the women to be physically unable to fight back or to escape. Now you know why they're calling it the new ditty or should I say the new ditties? Now that's what the US Attorney

is saying for the US Attorney for the Southern District, but I want you to look at Oren Alexander on The Founder. Having the ability to work with my brothers, have a partner with your brother. Just think about that for a second. The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and knowing that you don't have to worry. Honey, you got something to worry about now. What if your brother flips on you

and testifies against you? Let's just analyze what we just heard. And that's where our friends at From the Founder on YouTube. That's Orrin Alexander, one of the, and I mean, filthy rich, rolling in money. That's Orrin Alexander, quote, having the ability to work with my brother, to have a partner who's your brother.

You know, just think about that for a second. Don't worry. I'm thinking about it. The biggest issue you have in partnership is trust and knowing you don't have to worry. Okay. What happened with me? An All-Star panel. Let's get to it straight out to Christina Awayo, joining us,

National News Anchor, Salem News Channel. Christina, thank you for being with us. I'm really curious about how much money these two have. And this goes all the way back. Their family is wealthy. Their grandfather wealthy, blah, blah, blah, blah. Kind of like Luigi Mangione, just all that money, two silver spoons in the mouth. And yet this. What happened, Christina? You know, actually, I think it started way back when they were in high school, as people are now starting to come out and say that they actually had a sex ban that was parked in front of their parents, $40 million beachfront estate, where the boys, the brothers in high school would take women

to have sex in that bus in front of their parents' house. So this has been behavior that has been encouraged perhaps by their parents all the way through. Then you add the hundreds of millions of dollars and properties that these brothers have sold and the security business. And they're pretty much running around town doing anything that they want,

including according to prosecutors, drugging women, raping women. Each brother has separately been accused of at least 10 rapes, 10 forcible rapes by women. And prosecutors are saying that- Hey, hey, hey, Christina, Christina O'Wyo, hold on. Don't, wait a minute. We were just looking at them.

Karen Stark, why is it so hard for people to believe that super wealthy, college educated, great job guys can commit heinous crimes? That's what he posted on his own Facebook. Go ahead. Well, I really believe, Nancy, when people see this outward appearance, they're dressed so well, they look so terrific, that they buy that, that they believe that that's what they really like. And they have no idea what's going on behind the scene.

And actually, the fact that he says he trusts his brother, I was thinking, yeah, they trust – all of them trust each other in supporting the crimes that they committed, which made it even worse because they were encouraged. Neema, Romani is joining us. High profile lawyer out of the California jurisdiction and for my purposes, former federal prosecutor, president of the West Coast trial, lawyers and author of Harvard to hashtag. Neema, thank you for being with us. Many people not familiar with our world of crime

would say, hey, why do they have to rape women with good looks? Of course, they're not attractive to me. I think they look like Satan himself. But with good looks and all that money, they could get any woman they want. So, why rape a woman? That kind of argument has actually worked on

juries before, Neema. It has. But Nancy, this isn't just having sex with women. We're talking about drug induced orgies, right? Where multiple men, including the two brothers, are allegedly having sex with the same woman. So, yeah, women might want to have sex with a handsome, wealthy man, but not get in a situation where they're having an

orgy and they are being violated by multiple men. You're speaking sense to me. Yes, I know that. That's my point, Neema. I'm like two steps beyond that. Of course, what you just said is right. What I'm saying is it would be argued to a jury, just look at them.

Why would they have to source women with a PR person? In other words, basically pimp for the brothers because they could get any woman they want. Therefore, ergo, they're innocent. It's not just any woman, Nancy. They need new woman every single night and they want to do things to these women that a lot of women wouldn't consent to. Now, obviously this is a family show, so I'm not going to get into

all that, but that's why they're using drugs like GHB to drug these women so they can't say no. That's what this is all about. It's a tale as old as time. Doesn't matter if it's the Alexander Brothers, Diddy, Abercrombie, Steggo. I can see that I'm clearly clearly I think you and I have a communication problem because you're just basically saying everything that I say I'm Lynn Shaw help me out here founder executive director Lynn's warriors committed to ending sex attacks on children and women Lynn Shaw I'm trying to make the point that the argument will be made by the defense.

I already know the facts is presented by the state. Everything that Romani just said, I get it. I've read the indictment. Okay. The defense is going to argue at trial. They don't need to rape women. They can get any woman they want. Therefore, this is consensual. That's BS.

It's argued in so many rape cases. I call them the Alexander Brothers crime family and I call these dirty, ditty, complicit wannabes. Listen, the egos are so big, they're out of control. Again, this is the same story we heard with Diddy and others facing charges like this, that so many vulnerable girls and women,

I'm gonna throw in the girls again. I wish we could get down to, were there any minors involved, but that'll unfold at some point. They want to see and live this lifestyle. Many of these women were approached online, complete strangers, and they said, we'll fly you out, we'll give you hotels, we'll strangers and they said we'll fly you out We'll give you hotels. We'll give you parties. We'll give you clothes and

vulnerable people girls, especially really want to Experience this I'm here to say if this case can help us educate the general public because we're hearing about all these You know dirty diddy. We're hearing about tape brothers. We're're hearing about all these, you know, dirty ditty, we're hearing about Tate brothers, we're hearing about Jeffrey Epstein, we're hearing about now these criminal Alexander brothers, if it could water down eventually, my hope is, to everyday cases that are happening that nobody will ever hear those victims

or see those victims so we can educate everybody. When they offer you something like this, this lifestyle for free, they're gonna fly fly you somewhere run in the other direction. This is again, their powers, their money, their egos, their homes overtaking people's common sense. We have to do better educating the public girls and women about all of this. Their family wealth has been estimated. Correct me if I'm wrong, Christina Awayo joining me from Salem News Channel,

over $115 million. Correct, and I'm sure that's even more than that is the parents have offered to put up to $1 billion to get their three boys out of prison, out on bail. They've even offered to put them up in a second story apartment complex for their jail time pretrial that has no beachfront, that as in brother, B brother, billion dollar bail.

And the jail is because they don't have a beach view. They won't have a waterfront view. They won't have any orgies and it won't be luxury. So that's what they're considering to be jail. And yes, up to one billion with a B is what they're willing to put up to get their three sons out of prison. Bill Daley, it's the deities. It's the new deities because all the money, the procuring of the women, making other people

be your hench person to bring women to you, to drug them and rape them. Those are the allegations that are presumed innocent. But also is Luigi Mangione all over again. Here is a rich brat kid whining about how us common people have to live with the health care industry while he's in a beachfront Hawaii luxury high-rise condo. His great grandparents and grandparents broke

their backs coming to this country and becoming millionaires, working up from nothing, nothing, passing it down so Luigi Mangione could whine in his luxury condo. These two, same thing, Bill. Yeah, and in this case, they've actually built their business. So they built their brand they

now feel omnipotent I mean they're they have money they're traveling with celebrities they're flying on private jets you know they're selling these huge multi multi million dollar properties they're getting headlines and all kinds of media including their own real estate empire. So you know these are the type of people, if I put a profile around, I'm not an FBI profile, but I know enough of them to speak about how these people become, can become emboldened, emblazoned. It's both feeding the ego as well as also just their

ability to control things. So, they like to be able to control everything, whether it's the deal or people. GS- Guess what I got? A superseding indictment. I bet that's making Nima Romani just clench, because when you see the feds have a superseding indictment,

this is for conspiracy to commit sex trafficking on these rich brats. That means, hey, we had one go at you, but we're not through. We're issuing a revised, a new and improved indictment with more charges. It supersedes the previous indictment. Yeah, they may be rolling in money, but apparently the feds don't care.

So, exactly who are the so-called real estate bros? There are three Alexander brothers. Two of the brothers are twins, Oren and Alon. Their older brother, Tal. Tal and Oren Alexander are known in the world of high-priced real estate, having brokered a $49 million deal for their dad in 2012 and a $240 million deal for a Manhattan condo sale in 2019. While Oren's twin brother, Alon,

attended law school before joining the family's private security company, Kent Security. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The so-called Realty Brothers, the Alexander Brothers, already facing charges of sex trafficking handed down by a grand jury in Manhattan, they are now facing more sex crimes, including against an underage girl. Now, these additional women and the little girl are not named in the superseding indictment. But I do know this. They represent just a fraction of the dozens of women that prosecutors say their brothers use their status, their prestige, their money, their wealth to lure, to drug, and sex assault going back two decades all the way to high school. Wow. Okay, what

do we know? In a 50 million dollar Upper East Side townhouse, the Alexander twins Orrin and Alon celebrate their 28th birthday. Celebrants are greeted by a nearly naked woman on display as a toy for the rich and famous to play with as they take turns dripping hot wax on the woman, setting the tone for the decadent night that awaits those who are rich enough and or famous enough to be invited to the Alexander Twins birthday bash. What am I hearing? Wait a minute, a 50 million dollar Upper East Side townhouse, the real estate bros celebrate their 28th birthday, real estate bros celebrate their 28th birthday. Celebrates greeted by a nearly naked woman on

display as a toy for the rich and famous to play with as they take turns dripping hot wax on her. Deja vu, huh? Does this remind you of anything? Hi, Diddy! There you are! Nothing like eating sushi off a naked lady on display for the rich and famous.

I mean, it's like an echo chamber in here. Well, guess what? The feds apparently in this case anyway, don't care how rich you are or whether you're eating sushi off a naked lady at a luxury party or you have her on display so rich people can drip wax on her. Listen to the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York. The Alexander brothers, sometimes acting alone, sometimes with each other, and sometimes with other men, forcibly raped and assaulted the women.

As the indictment alleges, the Alexander Brothers sex trafficking agreement went beyond the planned trips and events. On numerous occasions, one or more of the defendants drugged and raped or sexually assaulted women they encountered by chance, at bars, at nightclubs, social events and dating apps. These assaults allegedly had many of the same hallmarks as the rapes that occurred at group

events, isolated locations, drug victims, force and physical restraint. It's really a lot to take in. You know, very often as a former prosecutor, prosecuting nothing but violent felonies, I would catch myself wondering why, for instance, why not just date a woman and have a relationship and have sex with her and not drug anybody and rape and sodomize them in a party, in a party setting with a lot of guys standing around. But then I realized about five years into that kind of thinking, why ask why it doesn't matter.

I had one job to seek the truth. Who did what, where, when, and why? Why not so much? To Karen Stark, renowned psychologist joining us. Karen, it's not about sex. That's a simple answer for me. Why don't the real estate bros with all their money and all their high rises just go date somebody and have a sex life? It's not about the sex. What is it? It's a perversion, Nancy. They're getting off on raping, sodomizing a normal relationship.

The kind that you're referring to does not excite them. They have gotten used to this kind of rape and violence since they were in high school. And this is what gets them excited, nothing else. Talk about a wolf in sheep's clothing. These wild extravagant parties that cost hundreds of thousands of dollars were not parties at all.

They were just a ruse to find sex assault victims for the New Deities. Listen. The fabulous parties with fabulous people might have been a cover for something sinister pre-planned by the Alexander brothers. Each of the three brothers has been accused of forcible rape by at least ten women. All three indicted on federal charges of sex trafficking, while the twins, Orrin and Alon, are charged with sexual battery in Florida. The Alexanders have denied the

allegations in the civil cases and their reps have previously gone so far as to suggest the accusers were trying to shake down the brothers. Second verse, same as the first. Do I have to say deja vu all over again? Why? The real estate bros are called the New Diddies. Same thing.

Now, they called it fabulous parties. Diddy calls it freak-offs. Combs allegedly planned and controlled the sex performances, which he called freak-offs, and he often electronically recorded them. The freak-offs sometimes lasted days at a time, involved multiple commercial sex workers, and often involved a variety of narcotics such as ketamine, ecstasy, and GHB, which Combs distributed to the victims to keep them obedient and compliant. As alleged, when Combs didn't get his way, he was violent and he subjected victims of physical, emotional, and verbal abuse so

that they would participate in the freak-offs. To Christina Awayo joining us, investigative reporter and news anchor, the comparison between the real estate bros and Diddy are inescapable. They are. They both are basically using their power and influence to allegedly drug and rape women. However, the brothers have been doing this, I think longer than Diddy, all the way tracing back to high school.

I think they were encouraged to do it with their lifestyle and they have been described as being very aggressive, very bullish, very attackive when it comes to working in business. And also you have people from their high school years who are coming forward saying that they did it in high school and people were scared. Everybody in the community was scared to speak out because they had so much power. They had so much prominence because they had so much influence.

And the same goes for Diddy. He has so much power and so much money. People don't want to talk out against him. People are scared that their careers are going to be ruined, that they're never going to be let back into the music industry, that they're never going to be let back into the music industry, that they'll be blacklisted from certain events. And I think the same is true for the brothers.

Crime stories with Nancy Grace. New charges for the so-called Realty Bros, the three men have pled not guilty to initial charges and they'll soon be back in a Manhattan courtroom to be arraigned on the superseding indictment, the new charges. It all started when they were arrested in Florida and it shook up the IEA and real estate industry and led to the downfall of Orrin Alexander, now 37, Tal Alexander, 38. Those two were the so-called real estate royalty.

In fact, Orin and Tal Alexander helped broker the sale of a $240 million Manhattan penthouse. Wow. Then they co-founded their own real estate brokerage company called Official. Now, Alon Alexander 37, the other brother, the other twin, did not work in real estate but he socialized with the two brothers. I guess just enough to catch a little sex trafficking charge. Okay, what do we know? The Alexander brothers await rape charges in jail as a New York federal judge deems the trio flight risks. They're extradited to the same jail as Diddy

as the Metropolitan Detention Center lose. The Alexander Brothers, the so-called real estate bros, rolling in money, also called the new ditties. All of their trouble started, well it really started all the way back in high school when they were accused of sex assaulting women all the way back then. But the current day problems, i.e. their rape charges, all started when one woman spoke out. According to prosecutors, the rapes and sex assaults had been going on for years and years

and years until this woman spoke out. Listen. The Alexander Brothers fall from grace begins when the real deal reports on damning lawsuits brought by alleged victims, Kay Wyman and Rebecca Mandel. Wyman alleges the brothers abducted her in 2012 and brought her to a Hamptons party palace in Watermill, Long Island, where the brothers allegedly dragged her into a large bedroom where

she was sexually assaulted, abused, raped, pinned, groped, harassed, battered and fondled by Alon and Orin Alexander. Isn't it amazing? Lynn Shaw, joining us from Lynn's Warriors, how it only takes one person, one person to stand up and be counted,

one person to speak out, even though they may be afraid for the whole house of cards to fall down. Yeah, but we have to educate everybody that we will give you safety, we will give you guardrails. We will stand next to you. That is what I'm hoping.

All of these dirty ditties and this Alexander Brothers crime family will bring more public awareness again, watering down to, you know, maybe that teen that lives in the Bronx or something like that, that they can come forward. We will take care of them. But I want to point something out. There is so much video evidence here. And I want to go back to what happened with all those videos where they uploaded to porn sites was there millions of dollars because we do a lot of work with this.

Well, wait a minute, Lynn Shaw. Hold on. You're exactly right. Straight out to Christina Wyo joining us, news anchor and investigative reporter. What are these so-called trophies of the real estate bros that have just been revealed? Yes. Well, it's one thing to have a witness testimony, right? But it's an entirely different situation when you have video evidence, as we just saw with

the Cassie and Diddy situation. Prosecutors and investigators raided Tell Alexander's Manhattan apartment, and they found a hard drive filled with pictures and videos they're saying in these videos, of course there's the quote unquote orgies or the sessions where alleged rape is happening. They are saying that women can be seen highly intoxicated on alcohol or maybe even drug.

They're saying they're seeing in these videos where the brothers are physically manipulating these women's bodies to have sex with them. And most of the time they're saying these women do not know they're being recorded. There's this one incident that they explain that a woman and a man are having sex in a stall and another person is recording over the stall

with a camera and when the woman sees it, she protests, she says no. So it's going to be pretty difficult for whatever reason they kept these videos or they have these videos. It's going to be difficult to defend this in court. Christina, you stated that one of the videos was taken over a stall. What? Yep. So a man and a woman were having sex. It didn't detail if that was forced rape. It didn't detail what that was exactly. But there is a third person who is holding a video camera up over the bathroom stall where the woman and man are inside of that stall having sex. And the woman sees the camera.

She tells them to stop and they don't stop. And that's what prosecutors are saying. They're not listening to these women. They're manipulating their bodies and they won't stop when the women are asking them to stop. Trophies, trophies to To Neema Romani joining us, former federal prosecutor, president of West Coast Trial Lawyers, author of Harvard to hashtags.

Neema, trophies have been the undoing of so many criminals. Explain. Oh, it's great evidence if you're a prosecutor because people can lie, criminal defendants lie all the time, even witnesses and victims can sometimes lie, but video doesn't lie. And when you have video of these sex acts, that is the best evidence when you're a prosecutor, because really there's

only two defenses in any sex trafficking case, either the sexual activity didn't happen or it was consensual. That's it, Nancy. And once you have that video, it certainly takes away the first offense. And then when women are being drug, takes away the second as well. And there's really two reasons why people record these sex acts. The first is their own deviant sexual pleasure. And I think that's probably why Diddy was recording his freak offs. But there's a second reason. And that is to have control over the victims, potentially blackmail them and say, Hey, if you come after me, I'm going to leak these videos.

Christina, why? Oh, isn't it true that these videos were pulled off of a hard drive that was found hidden in a closet during a federal search? Yes. In tall Alexander's Manhattan apartment. So they were really searching. They had the warrant to go through everything and he kept them. He kept them on a hard drive. And it's not just videos, it's pictures as well. And it goes to show that just like he said, men lie, women lie, witnesses lie, perhaps. But the video is not going to lie.

And this is pretty tough evidence. However, the defense is already saying this doesn't prove anything. This doesn't prove a commercial act. This doesn't prove that they were drugged. It may prove that they're intoxicated, but he's saying, oh, these are just big orgies. Everybody was willing and there is nothing going on here. So next story, please. You know, it reminds me in the last few days, Sean Combs, AKA Diddy's defense team, has stated they want the freak off videos to be made public because it quote, proves his innocence. Okay.

Sure. You know, another thing, if it's so innocent, why was it hidden in a closet? But thinking about the videos, the trophies pulled from a hard drive and the real estate bro's closet, it reminds me of a certain raid that went down on Shawn Combs' mansion. In that case as well, Bill Daley, former FBI, trophies, quote, trophies were obtained. During that raid, Bill Daley, video equipment was reportedly discovered

along with over a thousand bottles of lubricant baby oil Trophies have been the bane of many criminals existence. Why trophy? Well, you know it means if you go to other kind of repeat offenders repeat criminals such as Dennis Rader the buying torture kill fiend, you know, they either keep pieces of clothing they keep some Something to remind them something something that's going to get them excited, something's going to, you know, make them remember how wonderful it was that they control this person, that they did what they did. And so for all these things, it's sometimes-

Why are you putting perfume on the pig daily? That's not like you. The souvenirs, the trophies, quote, get them excited. You mean give them an erection. Well you know that as well as sharing among other people appeal in some cases they like to share because they've they've had this experience other people they keep it they look at themselves you know there may be other people they let them see that that all kind of gives them a sense of control goes back to that essence of controlling individuals,

controlling their environment, doing what they want to do, using that leverage over people. You know, in this case, Nancy, and a very interesting point that came up, which is similar to what we've seen in other cases, is that as the FBI was investigating this, reports are coming out that multiple victims have the same stories.

Again, people who've been not connected, not there at the same place, same time, but have the same story to tell. All of that is extremely, extremely, and is part of what I believe the FBI and the US Attorney's Office is making their case out of, is that they have statements and it would encourage people. You know, I'm very curious. Bill Daley, I think this goes beyond your or my kin colloquial for understanding. Joining me, psychologist Karen Stark. Everything Bill Daley said is correct.

But what is the reason, the mental or the psychological reason that people like Dennis Rader or in this case, the real estate bros, also called the rape bros, but those are just accusations. Why keep all these videos? They're damning. It's a wonderful way for them to relive the crime, Nancy. And whatever got them off when they were doing it, whatever got them excited and gave them erections and orgasms, they can do that all over again repeatedly because they have these trophies.

It's great if it's a video, but it can be an earring. It could be a necklace. It could be a piece of clothing. It doesn't matter. They wind up reliving the excitement that they felt at the time and how much they control the situation. For years, the Alexander brothers, sometimes with others, also arranged domestic and international trips to carry out their sex trafficking scheme. To recruit and induce women to come on the trips, they provided material benefits, things

like travel to vacation destinations, luxury accommodations, and access to other high-end experiences. Are the claims true? Should I believe the real estate bros or should I believe all of the women now coming forward, some of them named in federal indictments, others filing civil suits? What's very hard for many people to understand, including myself, is how the real estate bros acted, how they faked a happy home life. Listen. The Alexander brothers are all married now. Alon married Shani Zygren, with whom he has two children in May of 2020.

Orin married model Camilla Hansen in April 2023, and Tal married Ariel Kogut in October of 2023. Orrin pleaded with a judge to let him out as his wife was pregnant and due any day. His request was denied. That's something the baby can say as it grows up. Dad was in jail on rape charges when I was born. This whole facade of a happy family,

again, it's diddy, Redue. Listen. Say hey, Chance. We happy for you, too, Mom. We love you. Chance is right here, too, if you could hear. On the phone. One more time. Hey, Chance. Happy birthday.

Thank you, babe. To veteran trial lawyer, former felony prosecutor, Nima Romani. Nima, it would not be the first time a so-called family man was ultimately convicted of repeat offenses. I mean, there's Dennis Rader that Bill Daley brought up earlier who would sex assault and kill so many women, including young girls, on his dog catching route.

The whole time he had a family at home and he was a deacon in the church. Then you've got Gacy, John Wayne Gacy, who would go to children's birthday parties to entertain the children dressed as a clown. I don't know how many boys' bodies were pulled out of his crawl space. Then you got Ted Bundy, who seemingly was a

successful law school student. He's a serial killer. He goes on and on and oh, do I have to say Rex Heuerman, the 800 pound gorilla in the room, the architect by day, serial killer by night with a wife and two children. Nancy and Hiram's wife actually saw some of these sex acts, at least allegedly. So it's a question of what she knew. But this is criminal defense lawyering 101. They want to show the

jurors that the defendant has family support. That's why you see Diddy's family at every single appearance. That's why I fully expect the Alexander brothers to have their parents, the wives who haven't filed divorce, to be at those court proceedings because that's what jurors expect. They want to see the family members supporting the folks who are accused and are on trial. And like Diddy, the new Diddies have a fantastical scheme of how they're going to stay out of MDC, Metropolitan Detention Center. Listen.

In a crazy bid to keep their boys out of incarceration, the parents of the Alexander brothers have offered to provide private imprisonment. In a real proposal to authorities, Shlomo and Orly Alexander proposed confining the brothers to a two-bedroom apartment on the eighth floor of a Miami building emphasizing the apartment is non waterfront and non luxury they promise security guards would be stationed around the clock and an alarm system would make sure the brothers remain on site the parents also offered to put up to one billion dollars bail for their sons to get out of jail in case you didn't get that it's one billion as in brother, B as in brother, not million,

billion. The parents offering to put up one billion dollars cash to get their sons out of jail. Maybe they were going to put in some equity into that, but one billion dollars bail to get their sons out and having them imprisoned in a Miami high-rise and the suffering part was that they wouldn't get a beach front view. Ouch! That has to hurt. How dare you, mommy and daddy! Christina Wyo, it's reminiscent of the last bid.

Well, the last three bids by Sean Combs to get out on bed where he offered the judge a multimillion dollar bill package. I think it was 20 mil and he would stay in a Manhattan town home with his own private security guards to keep him from raping people. Eerie echo. Right. And that's the draw. Right. Exactly. I promised not to rape anybody during this time. I promise that I'm not going to have any orgies.

In fact, I won't even have any women over. So that in and of itself is a huge punishment. This is the same thing that we're seeing with these brothers. And quite frankly, I don't know how much the parents can be trusted in this whole situation because we talk about pretending to have a perfect family. But I go back to the sex bus that was sitting outside of their $40 million home as the brothers were in high school. And people have said, witness testimony, they are saying that back in those days that women

in the scene, in the Miami scene, because for some reason, high school brothers were in the Miami scene, they were warned not to drink any drinks that women in the scene in the Miami scene, because for some reason, high school brothers were in the Miami scene. They were warned not to drink any drinks that came from the brothers and to stay away from the brothers. The Alexander brothers are accused of using their wealth and positions to create and facilitate opportunities to rape and sexually assault women. So far, more than 40 women have come forward accusing the three Alexander brothers of sexual misconduct. And investigators are asking other women who

believe they have been assaulted to call. Attorneys for the brothers say they plan to plead not guilty to the charges, which if convicted could land all three brothers in prison for life. As we are discussing these alleged acts, sex assault, rape, sodomies, that's what we're saying,

reportedly date all the way back to when the real estate bros were in high school. Listen. As news of the arrests start to spread, stories from the Alexander Brothers high school years come to light. Their history of sexual violence dates back decades to their high school days in Miami, where they bragged about several gang rapes. Prosecutors say each of the victims that the government has interviewed from this period reported hearing that individuals involved including Tal Alexander talked

about the assault at school boasting about running train on their victims and saying they wanted to do it again. You know, Lynn Shaw, as many rape and sodomy cases that I've investigated have tried have pled out to jail time have covered. It's still it's disgusting. It's it's make something and you want to die to hear about them bragging about quote running train on the victims, which means multiple rapists on one victim saying they quote, wanted to do it again. It never ceases to be heartbreaking that a victim would go through this.

Well, we can't die, Nancy. We have to stand for those that don't have a voice. And I want us to focus on two things here. I want us to focus on where was mama Alexander? We're talking about a sex bus when these trio of triplets, dirty, ditty triplets were right parked right in front of their multimillion dollar mansion. I'm telling you as a mother, I knew when my kids moved a throw pillow on my couch, where were the

parents at this time and throughout all of this? The second thing I want to and we have to talk about that because people have to start standing up. Where were these parents? They were the talk of the town. We're hearing, you know, in the Miami, Florida area. So we should focus on that. I also want to focus on you're not going to see their wives in court with them.

Those women are taking their kids and running for the hills. One is already filed for divorce. OK, they're going to turn evidence on them court with them. Those women are taking their kids and running for the hills. One is already filed for divorce. Okay, they're going to turn evidence on them. They're beautiful young women. They have some young children, a newborn baby. They're not sticking around for this. And the third thing I want to get back to, we're not talking enough about,

is that oldest brother with his security firm, there is video evidence. Where are all those videos going? I guarantee, I hope we have a forensic accountant coming along, that they have been uploaded not only to control their victims and to scare them, they have been uploaded to porn sites where these monsters make millions and millions of dollars across the globe. And these are things we should be looking at. Of course, the parents aren't charged with anything.

All three realty bros are being held in a federal detention center in Brooklyn, waiting for trial. The judge, Valerie E. Caproni, has set the trial for January. Now, two of them, Orrin and Alon Alexander, also face state sex trafficking charges in Florida. Everybody has pled not guilty. Now the defense attorneys all claim these new charges quote changes nothing. Calling it a reheated version of the same case. Okay, why let jury hears about an underage girl getting sex trafficked? Okay, that's on you.

We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend.