Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - New clues in the search for kidnapped NC teen Hania Aguilar

Episode Date: November 12, 2018

Security camera video shows a man detectives suspect kidnapped a 13-year-old girl who disappeared last week. The FBI released the video, hoping that someone might recognize the man who was  wearing a hoodie, a light shirt, and light shoes walking toward the North Carolina home where Hania Aguilar was abducted from. Nancy Grace updates the case with forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, lawyer & psychologist Dr. Brian Russell, and Alan Duke. A driver who allegedly plowed into a Girl Scout troop was "huffing" chemicals just before the crash, according to police. Nancy looks at the death of 3 girls and an adult with Sheryl McCollum -- a former president of Georgia's Mothers Against Drunk Drivers, Southern California prosecutor Wendy Patrick, psychologist Caryn Stark,  lawyer Jason Oshins, forensics expert Karen Smith, and reporter John Lemley. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The person responsible, if they're watching this, we're coming after you. We're not going to stop. We're not going to stop. We're not going to stop in the pursuit of justice. We in law enforcement have a very good track record working together to bring justice to victims and to bring perpetrators to justice. We're not going to stop in this case. In the last hours, the FBI releasing brand new photos of a North Carolina girl who was kidnapped just outside her home at about 7 a.m. The mother, along with the FBI, begging for your help. Where is Hanya? I'm Nancy Grace.

This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. You are hearing audio of the FBI pointing pointing you directing you and you can see it at crimeonline.com video of a male walking along is this the person who took this beautiful little girl from straight outside her home with me joseph scott morgan forensics expert professor of forensics at jackson State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Dr. Brian Russell, psychologist, lawyer, host of the hit series on Discovery ID, Fatal Vows, and author of Stop Moaning, Start Owning, and joining me from LA with the very

latest Crime Online's Alan Duke. Alan, it's so hard for me to imagine that at seven o'clock in the morning you know i'm rushing around trying to get the children out the door trying to make sure they have been fed and they've got all their accoutrement together uh that someone is actually waiting for them, waiting to take them, because there is no doubt in my mind, Alan Duke, that this little girl was targeted. She goes right outside her door, and she's getting into her auntie's car, and bam, she's gone. Yeah, this reminds me of when I was a kid. I used to like to go and crank the car on the cold days in Georgia to get it ready to go to school. It was sort of my prelude to learning how to drive.

And to think that this girl went out there to do that and she was kidnapped. You know, guys, we are talking about the disappearance of a beautiful little girl. It's a girl that just turned 13, Hania Aguilar. And we're looking for a green vehicle. Take a listen to this. Day five in the search for Hania Aguilar still coming up empty, but tonight new surveillance video of a man walking toward Rosewood Mobile Home Park who could help investigators crack this case. Someone knows this man and we need you to call us with information. Maybe you recognize the way he walks, his mannerisms, or maybe he'll recognize himself on TV. THIS MAN AND WE NEED YOU TO CALL US WITH INFORMATION. MAYBE YOU RECOGNIZE THE WAY HE WALKS, HIS MANNERISMS,

OR MAYBE HE'LL RECOGNIZE HIMSELF ON TV." HANYA'S MOTHER ORIGINALLY SET TO SPEAK DURING AN AFTERNOON PRESS CONFERENCE. TOO EXHAUSTED TO TALK, SHE PINNED THIS LETTER TO THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD. SOT. YOU PROVIDED HELP. YOU CAN CONTINUE TO PROVIDE HELP. WE NEED YOUR HELP. WE NEED HANYA TO COME HOME. THOSE ARE THE WORDS OF A MOTHER DESPERATE You can continue to provide help. We need your help. We need Hania to come home. Those are the words of a mother desperate to get her child back. You are hearing from WTVD-TV, Durham reporter Morgan Norwood. You are also hearing what the FBI agent Andy DeLaRocca is telling us, a message from Hania's mother.

This is very, very important to to me to dr. Brian Russell what we just heard because so often like if you think of the case of Jamie Claus who's missing right now both of her parents shot dead and she's missing from the home a lot of people are speculating oh was she part of it did she or help orchestrate this no I don't think she did. But in this case, we have a witness, Dr. Brian Russell, a witness that sees this little girl just turned 13. You know what? That is just a little older than my daughter and son saw her being forced into the car. She didn't have anything to do with this. This is not somebody that she knows,

a man in a yellow bandana. What does this mean to you, Dr. Russell? One of the things that we see in these cases sometimes, Nancy, is that the perpetrator actually did have some prior contact with the victim, for example, on social media. And that does not mean that the victim necessarily was a willing participant or certainly not an enthusiastic participant in running off with the perpetrator. But there has been some prior contact. And so when you listen to this mother, one of the things that I notice is that she makes this comment where she says, I the possibility that there had been some kind of prior contact. Maybe the guy wanted the girl to run off. She wouldn't go. So he decided he was going to force it. And the mom isn't sure the extent to which the girl is upset about it. So she's trying to sort of telegraph a message that, you know, if you decide that this was a horrible idea and you come back, I'm not going to, you know, go all out on this guy necessarily.

Now, of course, she will and should as soon as they find them. Well, I've got a question for you, Dr. O'Brien. Do you have any evidence at all to suggest that that is the scenario i do not okay let's talk about what we know and it may be true what dr bryan is saying may be true this may be someone in her neighborhood someone that saw her at a school ball game someone that has approached her before and she just rebuffed or walked away from right now we don't know but what we do know is this guy last seen had on a yellow bandana as a matter of fact listen to lumberton police chief michael mcneil

a witness saw a male dressed in all black and wearing a yellow bandana approached miss hannah noella agler age 13 and forced her into a green 2002 ford expedition and he stopped the vehicle and drove away with miss agler in the vehicle miss agler has been waiting on families to come out of the residence to take her to school at the Lumberton Junior High School where she is in the eighth grade. Okay, that's just making me sick to my stomach. Joe Scott Morgan with me, forensics expert. Joe Scott, I cannot discount Dr. Brian Russell's theory. And I was just thinking, you know, John David, my little boy, got to be ball boy, okay, for the Georgia Tech basketball team one night. And of course, I was so proud and I went and watched him. Lucy could have been ball girl, but she wanted to go to a dance with her father instead. I'll never understand

that decision, but okay. So long story short, I sat there and watched John David the whole time and it's only now hitting me who may have seen him who did he talk to who did he come in contact with because it's just like dr. Brian Russell said this could have been anybody that she knew or didn't know or saw came in contact with at school at the the grocery store. It could be anybody, not necessarily somebody she recognizes or she knows, but someone that had come in contact with her. And that is very scary. There's no way to avoid that. No, there's not. And one of the things that we do in investigations, Nancy, is we look for

motivations. You know, what's the rationale for somebody moving forward? Now, I can tell you something from my past and my personal history is that I grew up in my early years with a single mother in a trailer house. And I tell you what, we did not have a lot of, and that was money. So many times when we think about kidnapping, you know, in the classic sense, people think, well, folks are being kidnapped in order to hold them for ransom. I can't imagine this family has, you know, oodles of cash that they're prepared to hand over in order to ransom this girl. So what's the motivation for this individual to snatch this little 13-year-old girl? And another thing that's quite striking to me is the fact that this individual would be so bold as to do it in her front yard, outside of the trailer, while they're waiting for school. Man, you're so right about that. That factor, so bold to do it in her front

yard as she is waiting to go to school. Take a listen to what Lumberton Police Chief Michael McNeil tells us. It breaks my heart to stand here before you five days later after Hanya's been missing and kidnapped and not have her back home yet. I'm telling you folks, it hurts me now and deep in the heart to know that she's not back home yet to her mother and back to this community we're working real hard real hard with all the law enforcement partners we've got all the community that we have here they're working hard to bring her home to her family which is my family also where is hania this little girl who had just turned 13 in eighth grade at Lumberton Junior High, kidnapped by a man dressed in black wearing a yellow bandana while she's standing outside her family's home.

It's overwhelming. How many times have I told the children, run, run, run, run, go get in the minivan. I'll be right there and we'll go. I've got it turned on for you. Any kook could get in that minivan and take off with them. It's overwhelming. We also have learned in the last hours the Lumberton Police Chief Michael McNeil and the FBI say that stolen vehicle was found shortly before 8 a.m. off Quincy Drive in Lumberton. Now, what does that mean?

Is he on foot with a girl? Are they in a home nearby? Has he gotten into another car and taken her away? The suspect then drove the 2002 Ford Expedition bearing the tag, South Carolina tag, Nor William Sam 984 out of the neighborhood and was last seen turning left onto the Elizabethtown Road. At this time, the investigators are interviewing witnesses, family and friends, as well as conducting a door-to-door canvas in the neighborhood and checking area surveillances to find out any information we can. That tag was in Nancy W. West S South 984. The vehicle has been found nearby, which means he's either in another vehicle or they are somewhere in the area. You know, it seems to me you're the forensics expert, Joseph

Scott Morgan, that they could get some sort of fingerprint or DNA off that car to tell them who the perp is. You know this is not his first time at the rodeo. No, it's not. And that's what was very intriguing to me about this case, Nancy, is the fact that he would target a 13-year-old female. We're pretty sure that this is a male that's done this, at least from the descriptors the police are saying. And so if that is the case, I think one chance I might have at this guy is a DNA profile. If he has been registered as a sexual predator, if they can tag that back via the DNA that they can collect within that vehicle, remember his hands have been on the steering wheel, they've been on the gear shift, they've been on the steering column, everywhere inside

of that vehicle, they can harvest something from that location and tie it back to a specific name if he is in the registry. So that's very important, not to mention the fingerprint evidence as well. And, you know, to Dr. Brian Russell, host of hit series Fatal Vows on Discovery, psychologist, lawyer, author of Stop Moaning, Start Owning. Dr. Brian, this is not this guy's first time at the rodeos. We were just saying, you don't go from zero to 120 MPH in one incident. However, his previous incidents may be other things like a burglary, like a peeping Tom. One thing I noticed prosecuting all those years in inner city Atlanta, when you got a guy for peeping Tom, okay, that was going, that would

escalate into burglaries or sex crimes. I'm not, I don't have statistics, but every time somebody had a peeping Tom, then have several of them. And then it would escalate like a sex offenses. They can't stop another kind of crime that can't stop a criminal is burglary. It's just something in your DNA. You just burgle. Those are three crimes that I know anecdotally they can't stop themselves, and they cannot be rehabbed to stop. So this guy, my point is, going back to what Joe Scott Morgan just said,

may not have a sex offense in his criminal history, but he's got something. It may be a burglary. It may be a peeping Tom. But there is something in this guy's history. If they could get that fingerprint, they could nab him. What do you think? Well, I think you're making a great point, and I think it actually extends across many of the cases that we've discussed over the years. If you look at

mass shootings, kidnappings, rapes, almost every case we talk about, when we finally catch the person, we find out that the society has had multiple prior opportunities to have gotten that person away from the law-abiding public, and we haven't done it because we're always so concerned about, oh, we want to give a second chance. We want to rehabilitate. We don't want to ruin somebody's life. You know, we have got to think more as you're thinking that, thank God, we caught this person when all they did was be a peeping Tom. We caught them on their way to doing something like this, and we need to act more as such instead of going, well, we can maybe rehabilitate, maybe a little probation, a little therapy. That's exactly how you get these higher level offenses. And it's so frustrating because think about how many times we have actually had a case like this where it did turn out to be the only thing the person had ever done that put them on the society's radar. I can probably count those on one hand.

You're right. And we've seen it over and over again. Guys, please go to CrimeOnline.com. Look at the video that we have posted. The FBI is not calling the person in the video a person of interest or a suspect. They just want to talk to him, find out what, if anything, he knows. They are asking anyone who lives within a mile of Quincy Drive to also check their property, outsheds, outbuildings. You know that better than police,

better than the FBI does. Just in the last hours, the FBI has released a surveillance video showing what appears to be a male walking in the area where she, Hanya, was taken. Now, what is this guy doing out walking around all by himself in that very same area? Clearly, whoever took her knows the area. That should reduce the number of suspects. We are on the hunt for a little girl taken, basically, from her front yard. Won't you help us? Alan Duke joining me. Alan, there is a tip line in this case in the search for Hania Aguilar.

The search entering now day eight. The FBI wants to talk to the man seen in this surveillance video. You can see it at CrimeOnline.com. Alan, what is the tip line number? Well, there is the FBI tip line at 910-272-5871. 910-272-5871. As a matter of fact, the reward in the search for Hania Aguilar has been increased. Listen. In addition to the $15,000 reward being offered by the FBI, our governor office today reported that they will give us additional $5000 reward to help find Hania. We are grateful to everyone for their support and all the prayers that we're having, including the law enforcement community, praying for them as we prayed to try to get Hania back home to her family. I encourage you all to pray and keep supporting each other and during

this difficult time in the Lombard community. Today, the North Carolina Emergency Management Office conducted a ground search with a mile within a mile of where the stolen vehicle was found in the area of Quincy Drive. The groups are specially trained to search for evidence that could help us find Hanya. They checked all the abandoned buildings in the area that they could check. Now we're asking anyone who lives within the mile of Quincy Drive to check your own property. Check your outsheds, your outbuildings. You know them better than we do and better than the search team does. And call our tip line at 910-272-5871 if anyone sees anything unusual or out of place on their

property. You know your property better than we can and you can spot things that don't belong there. And we're sending this message out to the community even though we had our search team out. The community know their buildings, they know their outsheds, they know that things that don't belong on their property and what should belong on their property. We process the SUV, the stolen vehicle and hope it may offer us clues in our desperate search to bring Hanya back home. Do you know another parent or expecting parent? Are you wondering what can I give them as a gift? Don't give them another onesie. Don't give them a plastic toy or God forbid a toy gun that's just going to end up in the garage. Give them something that matters and what matters the most is protecting their child. What do you love most in the world? Your children. What will you do

to protect them? Anything. I sat down with the smartest people I know in the world on matters of child safety, finding missing children, fighting back against predators. And what I learned is so important, powerful, and information so critical. I want you to have it. I want them to have it. Go to crimestopshere.com for a five-part series with action information that you can use to change your life and protect your child. Payment starting $6.99. Give that as a gift, not another onesie. Find out how to protect your child when you're out at the mall or the store or the grocery, in the parking lot, at home. Find out about protection regarding babysitters and daycare, even online. I'd rather have that any day of the week than a plastic toy or, God forbid, a toy gun.

Join Justice Nation. Go to crimestopshere.com. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Lake Hallie Police Department is looking for the driver who hit five people early this afternoon. Three people were pronounced dead at the scene, and that includes two children and one adult. Police say the five victims were part of an area Girl Scout troop. They were participating in a cleanup event when the incident happened. One victim was airlifted to the hospital and one victim was taken by ambulance.

We had a group of Girl Scouts were alongside the highway picking up trash. An 04 to 06 black F-150 was traveling northbound on County Highway P right before the Highway 29 overpass, crossed over a lane of traffic and into the ditch, striking the Girl Scout troop. A vehicle of interest is believed to be a dark-colored Ford truck with the heavy front end damaged and missing both side view mirrors. You are hearing from WEAU-TV, that's reporter Katarina Vigara, describing the deaths of three Girl Scouts and one parent mowed down on the side of the street as they were picking up trash as part of their Girl Scout troop project. Now we learn the driver who mowed them down was huffing, huffing, getting high when he mowed the girls and the parent dead. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

Huffing. What is it? Well, you may remember this. We know now what Demi Moore, at least according to her friend, was doing right before this emergency. And it involves something, I will admit, I was unfamiliar with. I've never heard of a Whippet before. You got a little education. I got a little bit of a drug education this morning. That she supposedly, according to the friend at least, was inhaling nitrous oxide. And that is what the basis of this 911 emergency was. That was a story by our friend Harvey Levin at TMZ. The morning that Demi Moore had been huffing using whippets and got high and had some sort of an emergency, a 911 seizure-like emergency.

What is huffing? It's at the root of the death of three Girl Scouts and a mom. John Limley with me, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. What happened with the three Girl Scouts, John? Well, it was late Saturday morning. Two small groups of Girl Scouts from Troop 3055 and their adult companions, they were all wearing these bright lime green safety vests walking along the sides of County Road P. These are fourth graders that had adopted the rural road and were performing their biannual community service. This is along a stretch that runs through farmland, residential areas. A black pickup

speeding, we're not even sure exactly the speed, veered off the road and into the shallow ditch where some of these girls were walking, picking up trash, killing two of the girls outright and the mother. The other child died very soon after. The truck then lurches back onto the road, speeds away, and it takes investigators a while to figure out and find the perpetrator. This crash on a Saturday killed a nine-year-old little girl, Jaina Kelly, 10-year-old Autumn Helgeson, both of Lake Hallie, 10-year-old Haley Hickel, and her mother, 32-year-old Sarah Jo Schneider from Lafayette. And now we're learning more and more about why. Police have now identified the driver of the pickup as 21-year-old Colton True. Police say

he took off after the crash but later turned himself in. True has not been charged yet, but he did appear in court today for a bond hearing. This is Colton True. And prosecutors say he will face more than a dozen charges. Police say True and his passenger admitted to huffing chemicals before the crash. And in court, the district attorney's office said True was also involved in a rollover accident while driving under the influence of drugs in September. You were hearing from KARE 11 TV reporter Danny Spiewak describing the pickup truck that this guy, Colton True, was driving, allegedly huffing chemicals just before he mows down three little Girl Scouts my daughter's age,

my son's age. And we learned he was involved in another crash just a couple of months before, and nothing was done. Joining me right now, in addition to John Limley, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter, forensics expert, Karen Smith, courtroom superstar, Jason Oceans, New York psychologist, Karen Stark. Joining me now is former president of MAD, Mothers Against Drunk Driving Georgia, Cheryl McCollum. What is huffing? A lot of people didn't even know what it was until Demi Moore ended up in the emergency room. Right. You can huff several things.

Spray paint, whipped cream, and, of course, nitrous oxide. So what they basically do is they can use a balloon. They can use anything. They take the gases out, and it goes right into their mouth, and it gives them this really rush of euphoria. It's like this fantastic high. Nancy, how many times are you and I going to have to talk about a driving under the

influence fatality? You've got these babies, these nine-year-old little girls that are out doing community service, helping other people. And here comes this 21-year-old that, A, could have stayed at home, could have stayed at a friend's house, could have stayed parked in a parking lot, could have used Uber, for the love of God. But no, again, he decides that not only is he going to forego doing something legally, he's going to use something illegal, become under the influence, and then mow these babies down. It's asinine to me.

Mowing them down, that's a way to put it. Huffing is intentionally inhaling fumes. It's becoming very, very common. It was made common knowledge when Demi Moore had used whippets to huff. You use an inhalant. You can use it from practically anything. Spray bottles. there are different solvents people can use to huff. It's dangerous. It's very dangerous for the people doing it and everybody around them. Now, she was using whippets. Demi Moore was using whippets. You know, to Karen Stark, a New York psychologist joining us out of Manhattan, people huff because they say, oh, well, you know, it's not cocaine. It's not heroin. But we recall when Demi Moore hospitalized after inhaling

nitrous oxide using whippets, and they really got in the spotlight when that happened. Remember, she had seizures. She went unconscious, was rushed to the hospital. Those little cylinders filled with nitrous oxide or NOx. You get it in a dentist's office. Novocaine is something similar. And very dangerous, as you can see from Demi Moore. But it's not just, I mean, the whole thing became popular during the disco era when people would do it on the dance floor. So they would get higher as they were dancing and feel better.

And when you think about that, which sounds like it's not horrific and you compare it to this terrible scene where a guy, as Cheryl said, is in a car driving when he shouldn't be driving. And these innocent girls who were doing a service to the public are now dead. And the families will never, ever recover from that event, Nancy, because of this guy using this drug that is supposedly safe, which we know is not. No, it's not safe. With me, former president of Mad Mothers Against Drunk Driving, Georgia, Cheryl McCollum. You know, if you've ever gone to the grocery store and gotten a can of whipped cream, the can of whipped cream, you know what? You're one step away from the oldest drug abuse method under the sun. Powering whipped cream is a very small dose of nitrous oxide. And when it comes out and you suck it in, you get a high.

That's what's called a whipping. Right. The little eight-gram container. That's exactly what it is. And again, they can fill it with anything. It can be a balloon. It can be a whipped cream dispenser, spray paint. I mean, we've had cases where we get to a scene and somebody has died and they'll have gold or silver spray paint all around their mouth because they were

trying to up the spray paint and it killed them. I mean, people don't understand Nancy. They think, oh, this is the newest thing. This is a cool trend. They don't understand the ramifications if they're not in a car. But you add a two-ton vehicle going 60 miles an hour, when you're out of your mind, people are going to die. It happened just before noon in Lake Hallie. Police say a Girl Scout troop was picking up trash on County Highway P near Weber Field when a Ford truck went into the ditch hitting the

victims. Three young girls and one adult female died as a result. One young child remains in critical condition. The Lake Hallie Police Department have the driver, 21-year-old Colton True of Chippewa Falls. He fled the area but later turned himself in. You're hearing from WEAU-TV reporter Brooke Schweitzer. There on the scene, three Girl Scouts dead, including a mom. Jane and Kelly, nine years old, one of the Girl Scouts killed. Quote, there was no warning.

It was fast. It was from behind. No one could turn around. Oh, that's what Robin Kelly, the troop leader, said. No warning. It was fast. It was from behind. No one could turn around. I'm looking at these little girls' pictures. It's called hippie crack, one of the several terms used for whippets. You can get them by an individual canister or an entire tank. They're perfectly legal to purchase. Why? Why are they legal to purchase?

First, you get euphoria. You get hypoxia. And it seems so innocent, sucking out of a whipped cream canister. John Limley, what more do we know about the guy now charged Colton True in four vehicular homicides? Well, Nancy, in addition to he and his passenger there in the car huffing these computer keyboard cleaner chemicals, they were fighting for control of the pickup, which killed these three children and a parent. Colton True admitted to police that he and his roommate, John Stender, had been huffing. He said he lost control of the vehicle and fishtailed after Mr. Stender grabbed the

steering wheel from him on this rural highway. Stender told authorities he took the steering wheel to correct True's driving, which then prompted his roommate to yell and violently grab the wheel back. As he did so, the truck swerved into the ditch, striking five victims, killing four and seriously injuring another. True sped off after the collision. Stender told police the next thing he recalled is waking up down the road. Waking up down the road. Take a listen to WCCO-TV's Kate Raddatz talking with the father of Jaina Kelly, now dead. It's just such a tragedy.

You can't let anger take over, though. You want to get mad about it, and you feel guilty about it, and you can't. It's just something that was out of our control. Brian Kelly's daughter, 9-year-old Jaina Kelly, along with 10-year-old Autumn Helgeson, 10-year-old Haley Hickel, and her 32-year-old mother, Sarah Jo Schneider, were killed. To Jason Oceans, veteran trial lawyer in the tri-state area around New York, Jason Oceans, what's this guy looking at? Four vehicular homicides, three of them little Girl Scouts. Well, he's looking at some serious time, Nancy. You know, when these cases happen all too often and they don't always make headlines, unfortunately. But the coupling with the Girl Scouts and the age and the volunteerism, he's going to have the prosecutor go after him full tilt. Once a case hits the headlines like this, there's probably no good plea deal to come. And most of us would be happy about that.

I say to people, you can't make sense of this. This is impossible impossible to make sense. The pastor at Central Lutheran Church in Chippewa Falls is preparing how to talk to families about the tragedy at Wednesday night worship. To answer the kids questions to to just be real with them be honest with them give them realistic answers to the questions that they are asking. According to the criminal complaint, an officer followed a trail of fresh fluid moving away from the crash scene that led him to True's residence. He used a search warrant to find a Ford pickup with significant front-end damage.

We would avoid any further reading. True admitted to investigators he and a friend, his passenger during the crash, had been huffing computer keyboard cleaner they bought that day. Court records also showed True was found guilty of driving drunk in 2015. If convicted on his current 11 charges, he would essentially spend life in prison. You are here from WCCO-TV's Kate Raddatz talking about a previous charge. What does that, how does that factor into this scenario, Jason Oceans? Well, previous bad acts certainly can't come in. In certain states, they can. I'm not familiar with that jurisdiction. But clearly, the fact that prosecutors are aware of that will give

them the impetus not to cut a deal with him and that he's going to face all those counts. And as we just heard, he could be looking at life. John Limley, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. What about the passenger that previously grabbed the wheel? What about him? Is he facing charges at all? Those charges are pending at the moment. There has been no update on that.

So no. You know, he was so out of his mind, Cheryl McCollum, former president of MAD Georgia. We know that he's driving along in his Blackford F-150. He went over a full lane all the way into a roadside ditch, mowing the girls down and the mom. It's as if he, it's like they were a target. It's like he went straight at them. Absolutely. Let's break this down for everybody. People that huff, they have found a legal way to purchase the drug they're going to use. So these two guys, you know, they're just not going to go to a drug dealer. They're going to go to your local store and they're going to buy cleaner or whatever, spray paint, whatever it is that they choose. It's a legal way to get the

item. And then again, they're going to get in a car and the effects of this happen. It's going to be flirty. They're going to be disoriented. They're going to get exhausted. They're going to be lightheaded. And then they're just going to doze off, which is exactly what this jackass did. And he's got a history. He's got a DUI when he was even underage. And you and I both know from dealing with these crimes for 20 years, this is not the only two times this man has driven under the influence. He has driven... No way. Heck no. For every time somebody's caught DUI,

they've driven DUI 70 to 80 times before that, according to statistics. Oh, no way. To Karen Smith, forensics expert, how can this scene be reconstructed? How can we tell exactly what happened? Now, it's obvious to me what happened, but you got to prove it at court. That's right.

Well, you have their testimony, first of all, which is great. Now you go back and you reconstruct the crime scene as it is in situ. You have the tire marks on the ground. You have the dirt that's been disturbed. You have the yaw marks. You have the skid marks. And you have the impact points. Those have all been marked with orange paint.

Those have all been diagrams. You're going to get people who are using very sophisticated calculations. These traffic crash reconstructionists use a lot of physics and a lot of complicated mathematics to reconstruct how fast that truck was going, along with the data from the truck. If it's new enough, they can pull the chip and feed that right into their computers and tell exactly what that truck was doing at the moment of the impact. So all of that's going to come together in court. And believe me, this guy, I hope he never sees the light of day again.

He's destroyed too many lives. Yeah, he can enjoy a whip-it behind bars. He'll probably get to work in the prison cafeteria and have access to whipped cream in a can. Listen as KARE11 TV's Danny Spiewak reports. They were giving back with smiles on their face. Girl Scout Troop 3055 was out picking up trash when police say a pickup truck crashed into five troop members. Four were killed, now identified by police as 10-year-old Haley Hickel, Hickel's mother Sarah Jo Schneider, 10-year-old Autumn Helgeson, and 9-year-old Jaina Kelly. Jaina's mom is a school employee and her dad is the county highway commissioner.

The highway department is really, really hurting and the families are hurting. So the Girl Scouts are hurting, the elementary school is hurting, so we need to all come together. Charlie Walker works with the commissioner and has been fielding calls all weekend. And we knew that when that many phone calls hit, how can we help? How can we help? We better establish a vehicle quickly. So he helped organize a GoFundMe for all four families. This little gesture is the best we can do. Before we sign off, I want to say blessed Veterans Day. my dad turned down a basketball scholarship to enlist early and lied about his age to get into the Navy. He was suddenly shipped across the world far away from home for the very first time, and

he fought for his country. Matt Grace, my father-in-law as well, Chuck Lynch, battling for his country. Without them, where would we be? To all veterans, God bless you, and God bless America. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.