Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Newborn baby girl, umbilical cord still attached, dies alone in metal trash drum sucking her thumb for comfort. WHO LEFT HER HER TO DIE?

Episode Date: September 3, 2019

Body of an infant baby girl will be exhumed in hopes of solving her murder. Nancy Grace talks with a panel of experts involved in the case of Baby Jane Doe. Our panel includes: Ashley Wilcott,  Judge and trial attorney; Joseph Scott Morgan, Forensic Expert: Dr. Michelle Dupre, Medical Examiner; Shera LaPoint, Genetic Genealogist; Major Wendell Raborn,  Iberia Parish Sheriff's office; Catalean Theriot, Comprehensive Victim Intervention Specialist Louisiana 16th Judicial District Attorney's Office; and Dave Mack Crime Online Reporter. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. She thought the baby was dead, so she throws the baby away into the dumpster. Right now at 10 o'clock, a teenage mother is facing charges after her newborn son is found in a dumpster and later dies. A young mother who abandoned her infant inside a dumpster is formally charged with attempted murder. Late New Year's Eve night, police say a teenager placed her newborn son in a dumpster.

Employees at a grocery store made a shocking discovery when the body of a newborn baby girl had to be only a couple days old, was found in the bathroom, in the ladies' bathroom, in a trash can. She allegedly gave birth and then threw her newborn baby away like trash. You know, it's a story as old as time, and I will never understand it. Those are just smidges, samplings of the hundreds of cases I have prosecuted, investigated, or covered where helpless babies were thrown away like trash. I don't know if you guys remember where we're two college students, you know, white bread, wealthy suburban families, not only give birth, the boy and the young lady,

the man and the woman, college students, give birth in a hotel room and bludgeon the baby he did. The baby. How can you bludgeon a baby and then throw it into the trash dump? The college killers. I mean, it's just... But right now, I want to tell you about another story. An unsolved story about a tiny baby girl, Baby Doe.

The hunt for her killer goes on. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. We have a panel like no other today. With me, Major Wendell Rayburn out of the Iberia Parish Sheriff's Office. Major Rayburn, thank you for being with us. Cheryl LaPointe, genetic genealogist and founder of Our Roots DNA.

Kathleen Terrio, comprehensive victim intervention specialist from the Louisiana 16th Judicial District Attorney's Office. Dave Mack, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter, Dr. Michelle Dupree, renowned medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, expert in forensics at Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, Joseph Scott Morgan, and judge and trial lawyer at AshleyWilcott.com, Ashley Wilcott, Dave Mack, with all of the advancements in DNA. If they can solve the Golden State Killer for Pete's sake, why don't I know who Baby Doe is? Nancy, this dates back to January 24th of 1994. And in the years since then, there's been a massive investigation, and there is some evidence. However, some of that evidence could not be located, and so...

Whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait a minute. You can't locate evidence? Okay, hold on. You know, before I go off on a rant to Major Wendell Rayburn with the Iberia Parish, this is the Iberia Parish Sheriff's Office, Major Rayburn, before I go crazy on can't find evidence, I will never forget, I had been in the DA's office in inner city Atlanta, maybe four or five years, and I had advanced to specializing in spree and serial homicides, serial rape, serial child molestation, and arson. And I got called down to the elected DA's office, longest serving DA in the country at the time.

I think it was 37 years, Louis Slayton. He went, Nancy. I'm like, yes, sir. I just knew I had done something wrong, Major Rayburn. I was just waiting. He went, I got a case I want you to look at. He was talking to me from behind his newspaper. And I just assumed that meant something about me, not in a good way. But I just stood there and he handed me, he pointed, pointed to a case file

on his desk. I picked up. I went, yes, sir. Major, the case happened before I was in law school. It had been a conviction. It went all the way up to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. And you know how they are, living in their ivory tower. Kicked it back down. And I got to retry a case I knew nothing about. And not only that, all the evidence I could find, Major, was an x-ray and a baseball cap that said, kiss my bass. Because over the years, it was nobody's fault. The evidence room had moved a couple of times to bigger evidence rooms. Everybody thought the case was over and done with. Who cares about the

evidence? It was all gone. However, in this case, you know, the case was never solved. Where's the evidence, Major Ray Bourne? I'm on your side. Please understand that. But where's the evidence? Well, that's a good question. It was originally not our case. You know, the case belonged to Generate PD in 2000. Now, wait a minute, Major. Yes, Major. You're brilliant, because I love it when the first thing I can say is, well, it's not my case. All right? This was somebody else's case that screwed this up. Okay.

Now, whose was it to start with, Major? It was originally Generate PD's case, and they handled it from beginning to end. It was a very highly publicized case. As you can imagine, an infant left in a trash can to die at a local car wash. Oh, you just gave me chills all over my arms. A newborn. Hey, before I figure out who messed it up to start with, tell me about finding the baby. What do you know about when they found baby Jane Doe?

Well, it really tore that little community apart. I mean, we're talking small country town at the time. The major income from there was the sugar mill, which has since gone away. But it was not a big city. It's a small town, one main street, the one light, the one horse type country town you can imagine. But the local car wash owner was going you know dump the trash and in a 55 gallon drum he found an infant that had been placed there the night before the chief of police at that time he took it uh he took the case and you know he's talking about

a police department of three or four guys but he took it and decided you know he was going to put everything he could into it to try to solve that and find out who did this to this infant. 25 years later, you know, it comes to us and we're trying to regenerate the case and put it back together. And we're going back to a department that had only a couple of people at the time and was in a lot of racial turmoil because the previous chief had involved in a shooting and had been removed from office, and you had an interim chief in place. Dave Mack, what's it all about? You know, as I was saying, Nancy, when they first reopened the case, this box of evidence was missing.

But now after weeks of searching for it, they've recovered the box of evidence, and now all of that will be tested. Let me ask you a question. Major, what about DNA? DNA was at, it was baby steps in 94. It was just really getting all. Major, you're giving me a memory. I remember the first, this is a funny, odd story. I remember I must have been in the eighth grade and we had a science book.

And I remember reading it in class. It was the homework assignment. And I had a little bit of time left. I And I remember reading it in class. It was the homework assignment. And I had a little bit of time left. I was reading my homework assignment in class. And I was flying through it so I could leave that book, that big science book, at school, not drag it home. And I stopped because I saw a word. And I remember this thought, Major. I thought, you know, one day I'm going to need to know how to say this.

And I sat there and sounded it out and wrote it out phonetically, deoxyribonucleic acid. And I remember the whole way home, I said in my head, deoxyribonucleic acid, because one day, I'm going to need how to just say that. I need to know how to say it right off the tip of my tongue. And lo and behold, I did. The first time I had a DNA case, I had been prosecuting for years, just like you said. That was in its infancy. And I told the lab, Joe Scott, you're going to love this, to bring over all the evidence to show to the jury. Well, when they put it up on a poster, it looked like film from a camera

that did not come out correctly. It was just a bunch of dots. I immediately ran up and said, take that down right now. Because the jury was looking at it and thinking, you want me to believe that? I never put that up in front of a jury again. But it's very complicated, or it was at the time. So let me understand, Major. First of all, what was the cause of death on the baby? The baby, the actual cause of death was, she froze to death. She just, she was exposed. And we don't really get freezing weather down here often, as you can imagine, deep south. But that night, it was in the 40s. This infant was laying in a metal trash can.

And it just literally, you know, sucked the life right out of her. You know, too, Dr. Michelle Dupree, renowned medical examiner, author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide. So it didn't get below freezing. But, Dr. Dupree, how does that kill an infant, just the elements? Well, Nancy, the infant will start to dehydrate, basically, and the body will just gradually begin to shut down, and it continues to do so until it goes beyond repair, and they will just become unconscious and eventually pass away. You know, to Kathleen Theriault, Comprehensive Victim Intervention Specialist, Kathleen, what breaks my heart, the little baby, little baby Jane Doe,

in that 55-gallon drum was found dead sucking her thumb for comfort. Poor little thing. I just can hardly even say it out loud. Catalina have twins, and they were born extremely premature. Lucy was only two pounds. John David was five pounds. And I devoted myself to making them live, survive. They were in bad shape, Catalina. And I'm just thinking about this little girl out there in that 55-gallon drum in the cold, sucking her little thumb for comfort. It breaks your heart. It really does. What do you think, Cataline?

Well, and I can say back when it happened, I was employed in Generate because they had a Fruit of the Loom meal back then. And it was mostly all women that worked at Fruit of the Loom. And, I mean, that was the talk of the community because, as I said, Generate is a small community. And it brought the community together because it was like they were the only ones that cared about this baby. No one else did. Until today, if you talk to anyone on the streets of Generate, they will remember that baby. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A tiny baby girl, baby doe.

The hunt for her killer goes on. Major Rayburn seems to me that it was a local person that nobody knew she was pregnant because you're not, I don't know how close Jennerette is to a big freeway, but who's going to come into Jennerette with, believe me, I came from Bibb County. That's not even in a city for Pete's sake. Our big night was to drive 30 minutes to a Dairy Queen, you know, so there you go. Seems to me this would be a woman that maybe worked at that mill or was too young to work and could get by without being noticeably pregnant. So who would that be? Who would give birth at home and nobody would know?

Someone that did not want to be found out, someone with a motive for not wanting to be known as pregnant, and then not have the impulse to kill the baby. That tells me it was definitely a woman, because a man would have probably asphyxiated or smothered it somebody put it in that drum and leave it what about that major well the theory at first was a local girl or a local woman who was unexpected pregnancy hiding it from the parents i know a lot of tips came in, a lot of calls came in. I've run the Crime Stoppers office at the time. We got a lot of calls. We passed everything out. But unfortunately,

for the chief of police back then, nothing ever worked out for them. They just never could find that one person. And there had to be an accomplice, because I don't think somebody that has just delivered an infant is going to be able to drive, you walk in places if it in a trash can uh there there's more than one person out there well hold on there a minute major there's one woman I know of that gave birth at her prom and then went back out on the dance floor and asked for um Unforgiven by Metallica to be played. I guess there are some determined women out there. It can happen. Well, what else, if anything, was found with the baby? I believe there was a women's undergarment, a girdle. Obviously, she's been trying to wear it.

I think they theorized that's what she did. She used to try to hide her pregnancy which to me you know i'm thinking it might have been a larger woman well this is news to me ashley wilcott spanks the one to hear about this is a girl strong enough to hold in a pregnancy that would be a strong girdle ashley help me out while i was filming i've been filming oxygens injustice with nancy grace it's really hard to go slog through creek beds and up and down the sides of mountains in a pair of boots and a girdle. Let me tell you that, much less hold in a pregnancy. But I think he's probably right. You know, so first, let's hear it about girdles. I know a man

had to make those things up, torture chambers. Same guy that made up pantyhose, I guarantee you. But what about this, Ashley? Shouldn't there be DNA on that girdle? Well, that's an important piece of evidence, Nancy, because if they test it, yes, there should be DNA on that girdle. I just have to go backwards a minute and say something that always continues to surprise me. You know, I'm on the bench in juvenile court. I see a lot of cases all the time involving children, pregnancies, new babies. What shocks me, Nancy, is that a number of young women and older women who no one knows is pregnant, who have hidden it, nobody realizes it, and then they have a baby, be it in a car or at home or at a friend's house or in a bathtub.

It's amazing to me that that happens, but it does. You know what? You're right. Key question, Major Rayburn. With me, Major Wendell Rayburn from Iberia Parish in Louisiana. Kathleen Theriot, Victim Intervention Specialist. Cheryl LaPointe, Genetic Genealogist. Dr. Michelle Dupree, Joe Scott Morgan, Ashley Wolcott, and Dave Mack.

Jackie Howard here in the studio. Where is the body, Major? That's the big question. Where is the body? Please do not tell me it's been cremated. No, she had a funeral that was put on by the community. There was about 2,000 people of hers at her funeral. And she is buried in a local cemetery in Juneret.

Why don't we exhume the body for pete's sake dr michelle dupree i know it's been many years but you can get dna from a body right yes absolutely especially we can get mitochondrial dna that lasts for many many many years well major raybourne what do i need to what petition do i need to sign what judge do i need to suck up to to get this exhumed that would would be in Kathleen Theriault's ballpark. Kathleen, help me out! That is my, and I am getting that done. I have the order all drawn up, but I work in one parish,

but I'm doing a murder trial in another parish. But the judge will sign the order, most definitely. Because also, typically, the only one that could oppose it is the next of kin. And since we don't have the next of kin, I just dealt with that in a murder case out of Manhattan where a woman's body is found by her little girl, by the way, dead in a bathtub. All right, here comes the big gun. Sorry, Major, I'm just trying to pump him up a little bit. We know you and Kathleen and Cheryl are the big guns. Joe Scott Major. I'm just trying to pump him up a little bit. We know you and

Kathleen and Cheryl are the big guns. Joe Scott Morgan, help me out. You've got the girdle. I'm sure that 55-gallon drone is long gone. But Joe Scott, you are the professor of forensics. You wrote the book, Blood Beneath My Feet. You've got to have some good ideas. Well, I think that the girdle obviously is going to be tied back to mama more than likely. The question is, how well has this girdle been preserved over all these years? Matter of fact, is it still in existence? Like you, Nancy, I've been in a lot of evidence rooms over the course of my career, and sometimes these evidence rooms are a complete train wreck, either through, you know, changes in administration movement, and one of the biggest things is from a procedural standpoint, because they can't

maintain continuity of evidence. You get too many hands on the situation. Now, the other thing is this. When this little angel was autopsied, what they would have generated is called a blood card, which is where you take a droplet of blood and you place it onto a card that is preserved in perpetuity, hopefully. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. To CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter Dave Mack joining me. Dave Mack, what can you tell me about some sort of a receipt being found in the drum? Nancy, one of the things that came up during our investigation was what was with the baby. Of course, we've talked about the girdle. But apparently, the guy working the case back then, Cary Davis, said that they also found a receipt for the girdle, and the receipt was from a local store.

Well, that could crack the whole thing wide open. I mean, if it's a local store, surely in a small town like that, they would have a recollection of who bought it or may have a recollection. That person may be long gone by now. Major Raybourne, was the baby dressed or wrapped in a blanket? Not that thing. I think it was just, bare skin was against the bag. I think it was partially covered with, bare skin was against the barrel. I think it was partially covered with a plastic bag. Now that sounds like a man put the baby in there because I think a woman would have probably wrapped it in a blanket every time. This is anecdotal. This is not a statistical observation, Ashley Wilcott, judge and trial lawyer. But Ashley, every single time I have seen

a female dispose of a body, a baby's body, it has on an outfit or it's wrapped in a blanket or something like that. I mean, it's ironic that you can kill a baby or leave a baby to die, but you want to have it wrapped in a blanket. Yeah, it's that maternal instinct, and especially if it's their own baby, they want to kind of cuddle it, comfort it, in spite of the fact they then leave it to die. Now, that is anecdotal. So Major Raybourne telling me the baby was not wrapped up. Is that correct, Kathleen? From what I was told and read, that the baby was wrapped.

It had a little bit of old newspaper on top of the baby, like it was trying to hide the baby. Interesting. Now, genetic genealogist, founder of Our Roots DNA, Shara LaPointe with us. Shara, I've tried to give you all the facts I can on a silver platter. Now, what do you make of it, Shara? What, if anything, can be done? The inscription on baby Jane Doe's tomb says, only God and her mother knew her name. It's my goal to be able to identify who baby Jane's

parents are, to bring closure to this poor baby and to a community who was brought together by this unfortunate death. And genetic genealogy can do this. Explain how it will work, because Kathleen Terriott is bound and determined she will get a judge to sign the order of exhumation, which means digging the baby's body up. It's very, very rare. You see it all the time on TV. That's not the way it goes down, Joseph Scott Morgan. It's very, very rare to get an exhumation. Would you agree with that? Oh boy, you're not kidding, Nancy. I've been involved in a number working for, you know, the coroner's office down in New Orleans and then working in Atlanta with the ME over all the years. I've been involved in a lot of exhumations over that period of time. But to

get to the point where you have to jump through all of the legalese and the legal hurdles and pass it by judges, they want justifications for it. To disinter a body is a major undertaking. So if you can get that done, it's almost a miracle. I've got it done before. Wait, who's, is that Kathleen? Yes, Kathleen. I got it done before. Is that Cataline? Yes, Cataline. I got it done before. I had a body exhumed before. I bet you have. Oh, I want to meet you in the flesh.

Okay, now, Cataline, just tell me in a nutshell, how did you get a body exhumed before? I just recently had to do a ton of research on exhumation. And the reasoning behind it is there's a reluctance to dig up a body because once the body is interred, that body is no longer does it belong to the family. It belongs to the state. And the state puts a priority, a premium on the sanctity of the burial and the body. They're really representing the dead person. So you've got to jump through a lot of hurdles to get an exhumation. But, Kathleen, I just got to hear this. What body?

How did you get a body exhumed and why? Well, we had a little girl that was hit on I-10 in Henderson, Louisiana, back in the 80s. And her body, it was a Jane Doe, and no one had ever identified her. So one of my friends, I belong to a support group for victims of crime because my only child was murdered in 1994 also. And her daughter was buried by this Jane Doe, and she kept telling me that. And so we kind of decided that we were going to try to identify her.

So I went to the FACES laboratory at LSU, and I had met with Mary Mannheim. And she says, if y'all can get the body soon I'll come down and get the body so I went back to the district attorney's office we wrote up the order he signed it got a judge to sign it we got a funeral home to come and I was there when they did the grave they opened her casket and they took her little body and Mary took her to the FACES laboratory in Baton Rouge all the way. What did you find out? Unfortunately, she couldn't be identified. Well, it's not for lack of trying.

No, we did try. I'm glad to know you had that experience under your belt, Kathleen, because it's very rare to find someone that actually successfully gets an exhumation. You know, just an aside, Jackie just raised up a note here. Dr. Michelle Dupree, does embalming a body affect the ability to retrieve DNA or extract DNA? It does affect the ability to extract nuclear DNA, which is typically the kind of DNA that we always talk about. However, earlier, I mentioned mitochondrialrial DNA and mitochondrial DNA can be taken from the bone marrow. So if there's still bone marrow available and this lasts a very, very long time,

then embalming does not affect that. And we would still be able possibly to get DNA from that. What about the nucleus of the hair, Dr. Dupree? Couldn't you get nuclear DNA from that? Yes, you may be able to, but again, depending on how long that body has been buried, it may, it may have deteriorated. You know, I'm completely transfixed on how we're going to identify who this baby is. Now, Cheryl LaPointe with me, genetic genealogist and founder of Our Roots DNA. Cheryl, again, thank you for being with us. How's it going to work?

Just explain it to me in regular people talk. Okay, Nancy. So genetic genealogy is actually the use of the results of an autosomal DNA test, which is a direct-to-consumer test that 26 million people have tested as of today. And we use those results just like we would use a birth certificate or a census record to determine relationships between individuals. So basically, I would look at the list of the DNA matches of this baby once the DNA has been extracted and put in the correct format. And what I look for is shared matches, and I need to find the common ancestors within those matches. That would give me a possible surname, a possible location of ancestors. And then I build a family tree from those ancestors. I build it down.

Okay, hold on, hold on. You're going warp speed with me here. Hold on just a moment. And I, are you familiar, I'm sure you are, with the recent cracking of the case of the Golden State Killer. He raped and murdered so many people throughout the California region, actually had been a cop in two different jurisdictions. And it was just correct recently. And I met with one of the team. He's always very modest. Reminds me a little bit of you, Major Rayburn. He always, it's Paul Holds, H-O-L-E-S.

He always says, I'm part of a team. But he has taken the forefront of that. And what you're saying is right. You don't just get the DNA, say, from the rape kit or from the baby and then plug it into a machine and poof, out comes the mother or the perpetrator. He put it up on a flow chart, really a big poster. You got to go way back because the mother, in this case, may not be in the DNA data bank, CODIS. She may not be in there. She may very well not be a criminal offender that had to give their DNA or a civilian worker.

I mean, I had to give my fingerprints to be a district attorney, an assistant DA. She may have never given her DNA, but somebody connected to her may have done Ancestry.com or whatever. She may have a relative that is a civilian, a civil servant, or in jail that gave their DNA. So you have to go back, way back. Let's just say great, great, great, great grandparents and start building a family tree and seeing who pops up in connection to the baby. It's very complicated, Shira. Yes, Nancy, it is. It is a process. It can take a long time to do. And, again, it depends on how close the matches are.

If you have a second cousin match, that means you share great-grandparents. So in that situation, I would start at the great-grandparent, look at their children, and then look at their children. And you have to have DNA on. Well, how would you know it's a second cousin? Well, when you get a list of DNA matches from and it tells me the possibility of relationships to that match. And it's all measured in centimorgans. So, say if you were... In what?

Whoa, whoa, whoa. It's measured in what? Centimorgans. And that is the rule. Okay. Centimorgans. M-O-R-G-A-N. Centimorgans and that is the rule okay centimorgans m-o-r-g-a-n centimorgans uh uh major raybourne and catalene have you ever heard this talk before

centimorgans i'm not familiar with that one i feel like i'm back in school please keep talking shara so it's measured in centimorgans and the centimorgan is a rule of measure of DNA. A parent-child would measure an average of 3,200 to 3,500 centimorgans. A sibling would be around 2,300. A grandparent, aunt, uncle, half-sibling, niece, nephewephew would be around 1,800. So we look at those numbers, and it's a puzzle. You try to fit the DNA matches together to figure out who the shared ancestor is. And then we begin building the family tree. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace I want to go back to the initial facts about a little bitty baby found.

You know, my mom worked at a big canning company, and I would go through the factory to get up to her office, and I would see huge drums like this. And I'm just thinking of a little bitty baby girl left in there overnight, found sucking her thumb dead the next morning. Just thinking about that. It's kind of overwhelming to me, Major, because I remember how helpless the twins were

when they were born. They couldn't even hold their little heads up. Major Rayburn, what do you think? If that body is exhumed, what chance do we have, with the help of Kathleen and the help of Shira, what chance do we have of solving this? It is like any other case. You have to put the puzzle together, and we're hoping that Shira, in her genealogy DNA background, can put the puzzle piece that we need in place. I first got involved with DNA in a serial homicide case from Baton Rouge and learned the power of chasing relatives through DNA.

In that case, our serial killer had some unique markers in his DNA that they chased in the crime database that we were able to find a distant relative that started putting us on the trail to this. So I know with the advances today and the amount of DNA that people have put into the data banks for their genetic research, I think we have a really good chance of finding a relative that may push us towards the mother. Wow. Has it been publicized at all yet, Major Rayburn, that you're on the hunt and that the body's

going to be exhumed? Because who knows? The mother may, may, doubtful, may come forward. No, it has not been publicized, but, you know, word of mouth. Well, it's about to be. It's about to be. The word of mouth in a small community, it will not take long. You know, our cold case detective has been poking around the PD and trying to find evidence and case files, and, you know, the word is starting to spread. The second thing...

Now, one thing still is bothering me, Major Raybourne, well, many things, but thank goodness we know where the body is. That hasn't been lost in the evidence room. And, you know, on TV and in movies, it's always a plot that somebody hides the evidence or they steal the evidence or they swap the evidence. It's so not like that. The evidence room is really, it's a room, usually with shelves or tables and a bunch of boxes stacked on top of each other.

And maybe, maybe a name scribbled across it. Somebody asked me how many cases I tried. I tried to piece it back together. But in those days, I was trying cases so fast and furious, I'd be lucky if I even wrote a defendant's name down on a list before I went to the next one. And in an evidence room, especially one that's been moved a couple of times, I find that very odd that the receipt was put in there with the girdle. Very odd indeed. But I mean, it makes me wonder, did a man do that? Did a man also kill the mother? This could go in so many different

directions, but it's highly unlikely if he did kill the mother, he would dispose of their bodies separately. Anyway, that's a whole nother can of worms right there. But we've got the main evidence. We've got the baby's body. That's what we need. From there, you know, we can go somewhere. We do have the body, and that's the first step is to retrieve the body, the evidence from that child, and hopefully we'll get a good DNA reading on it and get a good match somewhere. That's going to be determined by some medical examiner that's going to take those samples. Kathleen is going to take care of getting the body exhumed. And then Cheryl LaPointe from Our Roots DNA, taking the time and the energy and the man hours and the research it will take to make heads or tails out of this.

Kathleen, what do you want in the end? Because I know what I want. I want to see a name on that grave marker, and I want that baby to rest in peace. I do, too. And most definitely, I want to see this sweet little angel get justice. That is so important. And I want her to be identified. So that's my end result is justice and for her to be identified and whoever did this to us to pay for it. You know, it just hit me, Major Rayburn, I've been sitting here analyzing this as

a case, but the thought of my little Lucy at two pounds being left in a big cold 55-gallon drum overnight and her crying and sucking her little thumb for comfort is just, is so upsetting. This little baby weighed six pounds. We have a whole community that would have, would have taken this child. Okay. We wait as justice unfolds and our new friends, Kathleen Terria, Major Wendell Rayburn from Iberia Parish and Cheryl LaPointe, founder of Our Roots DNA, God willing, will be back with us as this case progresses and the investigation goes on. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend.

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