Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - NUDE PICS IN Hollywood movie mogul RAPE TRIAL, Harvey Weinstein HOBBLES IN ON WALKER

Episode Date: January 7, 2020

More than 80 women have accused movie mogul Harvey Weinstein of sex assault and rape. As new indictments are handed down in California, across the country Weinstein in a New York courtroom defending himself on two charges.With Nancy Grace today to discuss: Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family attorney Cloyd Steiger - 36 years Seattle Police Department, 22 years homicide detective, Author of "Seattle's Forgotten Serial Killer: Gary Gene Grant"  Dr. Bethany Marshall- Psychoanalyst, Beverly Hills Dr. Michelle Dupre- South Carolina medical examiner & author of “Homicide Investigation Field Guide”, Dave Mack- Investigative Reporter CrimeOnline Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Harvey Weinstein's sex assault case is finally going to trial with two victims to testify in front of the jury, plus similar transaction victims. 80 women accused Weinstein of sex, harassment, assault, or rape. Finally, it's the trial date. It's happening now. It's time to pay the piper. You dance to the music, and now it's time to pay the band, Harvey Weinstein. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

Disgraced former Hollywood movie mogul Harvey Weinstein is going to trial. More than two years after being accused by more than 80 women of sexual harassment, assault or rape, a pretrial hearing is set, followed by jury selection on five sex crime charges. Weinstein has denied all allegations, saying any sexual relations were consensual, telling CNN, my main focus has been proving my innocence and clearing my name. The case heading to a New York City courtroom centering on allegations made by two of the women. That doesn't mean that the prosecution can't get in other facts, other evidence, tending to support the fact that, look, this guy is a serial sexual predator. He's done it before. He would do it again. The prosecution hoping to paint that picture for the jury

by calling four additional accusers to the stand. A smiling Harvey Weinstein arrives at court using his walker as his trial on charges of rape and sex assault, are set to begin. With me, an all-star panel and investigative reporter, CrimeOnline.com, Dave Mack. Dave Mack, what's happening? Weinstein is accused of some of the most vile things I've ever heard of in my life. As a husband, father of daughters, he just creeps me out.

So he's finally going to court and he actually was originally going to face three uh charges from three separate women one of those was thrown out and he'll be facing two one is an anonymous woman who has made a case against him and then mimi hale who has been Mimi very public about her acc movie mogul Harvey Weinste of accusers when his rape as 80 women, including so expected to attend as the

I just feel that if he sa how could he possibly not have a moment of reckoning? Three of those accusers who call themselves the silence breakers are speaking to Inside Edition today. They are Caitlin Delaney, Catherine Kendall, and Larissa Gomes. How do you feel about being in the same room with the man who assaulted and terrorized you? On the one hand, it's terrifying because I think that every time I see his face, even to this day, I feel some kind of trigger and some kind of emotion. I've seen him by accident a couple of times where I've run into him and my knees started to tremble and I felt like I just had to leave immediately. I felt really intimidated and unsafe. You are hearing our friend at Inside Edition.

We know that Mimi Halea, in her 20s at the time of the alleged attack, and an unnamed victim, the jury's going to hear from them. We also know that so-called similar transactions will be brought in at trial. You were earlier hearing our friend Marcy Gonzalez at ABC's GMA. In a nutshell, Kathleen Murphy, what are similar transactions? Those are the prior behaviors and acts of other victims who can come into court, although the statute of limitations may have run on an ability to charge Weinstein with these charges, they're coming in to say,

he did the very same thing to me. And that pattern of behavior is indicative of current behavior. He held me down on the bed. I tried to get away or tried to get him off of me and kept asking him to stop but it was impossible. I remember Harvey afterwards rolling over onto his back saying, don't you feel we're so much closer to each other now? To which I replied, no. The next thing I knew he had unzipped his fly and pulled out his penis. My heart started pounding. My mind started racing. How do I deal with this?

How do I get out of this? Am I going to get out of this? Am I going to get out of this? You are hearing a montage of various women, and there are many more, accusing Harvey Weinstein of attack. That was Mimi Halea and Heather Kerr talking about their sex attack. Hollywood honcho Harvey Weinstein pleading not guilty to an indictment, adding two charges to his New York trial. Prosecutors argued the indictment will now open the door for, remember the hit show on HBO, Sopranos?

The actress, Annabella Sciorra from the Sopranos, to testify against him in the sex assault case. Right now to Levi Page, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter. Levi, what's it all about? Annabella Sciorra is going to be used as a prior bad act witness. She claims that in the 90s that he sexually assaulted her one time after they had a business meeting in New York City, that he forced his way into her apartment and violently raped her. And then after that rape that he sexually harassed her in the workplace for years. And this has caused her so much trauma and distress that she now sleeps with a baseball bat at her side.

This is one of the more horrific tales of sexual assault that he's allegedly committed, and she is expected to testify against him as a prior bad act, as similar circumstances to the new allegations that have been leveled against him. As you heard Levi describe, Shoris' Weinstein raped her inside her Manhattan apartment after she starred in a film for him for his movie studio in the 90s. Now, prosecutors could not charge him with the attack on Shiora because of the time statute of limitations. But this new indictment will allow them to call her as a witness. What about it to Troy Slayton, renowned defense attorney out of L.A.?

Similar transactions. That's what they are called under the law. Prior bad acts, Nancy. This is a way for prosecutors to make an end run around the Constitution and bring in charges that they would not otherwise be able to bring because they're time barred by the law. In this case, the judge had previously ruled that the allegations that Annabella Sciorra had made about an attack in 1993 could not be brought before the grand jury. She was barred from testifying before the grand jury because these claims are too old. And there's a good reason why we don't bring claims that are 20, 30 years old against somebody. It's because

they're too hard to defend. People's memories fade. Things get lost. That's such BS. You know, in most jurisdictions, there's no time limit on similar transactions. So maybe in your jurisdiction out in L.A., there's a time limit, but not so in the majority of jurisdictions across the country, especially when there is a fingerprint crime. And what I mean by that to forensic psychiatrist Dr. Daniel Bober, according to all of these women, it's the same thing over and over and over. Hey, you want a part in my movie? Come and talk to me about it. The nice female secretary assistant knows darn well what's going on and ushers.

They fly into the spider web where she's raped. Same thing. Let's go back to your apartment. Talk about your career. She's raped. It goes on and on and on. It's a fingerprint crime. He always does the same thing. Dr. Bober, why shouldn't the jury hear about it? It shows a pattern of conduct that is so similar that that is his M.O. And so in cases like this, it is admissible for that reason. John Cardillo joining me, former NYPD. What do you know about Weinstein? So interesting, Nancy. Back in 2009, I was doing some consulting producer work

with a very well-known television producer for one of the larger networks. We were looking at a series about sexual predators and how law enforcement would track them. It was a bit gritty, so it never got picked up. But I was in the car myself, this producer, again, a household name and a retired LAPD detective. And the producer said we were talking about the pervasive problem of sex abuse in Hollywood. And this is 10 years ago.

He said, I don't know how Harvey Weinstein isn't in jail for the rest of his life. And the agent said to me, he goes, yeah, you know, we've tried, but this guy is a horrible person. He destroys careers. The LAPD task force had would destroy their careers preemptively and then continue not just to harass them. Now, again, this is anecdotal, but also harass their friends, their family, destroy careers in the business of people that would even go and have a coffee with them to console them. This is before this was ever in the headlines. So when this all came out, it wasn't surprising to me. It comported with what I was told 10 years ago by a very reputable source. And the stories that they told me then about him are almost identical today. I have to say, as a former investigator, I believe every one of his victims, because people as high profile as Annabella Sciorra have nothing to gain by coming out and telling the stories in the way they're telling them.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I was sitting on the bed talking to Harvey when he pushed me back and forced himself onto me. It was not consensual. He did not use a condom. Once he excused himself to go to the bathroom and he came back in nothing but a robe, obviously his whole demeanor changed. He's holding my forearm pretty forcefully and we're both now standing in front of the mirror and he just keeps saying, just watch me, just watch me masturbate. And I wake up, and then all of a sudden he takes his pants down and starts doing his stuff. And he's blocking the door. I can't get out. And then he says, you know, you're a really nice girl. You shouldn't tell anybody about this. You are hearing a montage of various women, and there are many more, accusing Harvey Weinstein of attack. Welcome back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

Harvey Weinstein's sex assault case is finally going to trial. Now, some people are claiming that there has been police misconduct. The only police misconduct I found so far anyway is that it took them so long to bring charges. They even had one victim on tape trying to fight Harvey Weinstein off. Can I stay in the bar? No, you must come here now. No. Please.

No, I don't want to. I'm not doing anything with you. I know. I'm sorry. I don't know. Yesterday was kind of aggressive for me. I need to know a person to be touched. I won't do a thing. I won't do a thing.

Do a thing, please. I swear I won't. Just sit with me. Don't embarrass me in the hotel. I'm here all the time. I know, but I don't want to in the hotel i'm here all the time please sit there please one minute please i don't want to do something i don't want to go to the patio come here listen to me i want to go downstairs i'm not going to do it and you'll never see me

again after this okay that's it if you don't if you embarrass me in this hotel i'm not embarrassing you it's just that I don't feel comfortable. I mean, don't have a fight with me in the hallway. Please, I'm not going to do anything. I swear on my children. Please come in. On everything. I'm a famous guy. I'm feeling very uncomfortable right now. Please come in now. And one minute. And if you want to leave, when the guy comes with my jacket, you can go. Why yesterday you touched my wrist? No, please. I with my jacket you can go. I'm used to that. You touched my wrist. Please I'm sorry just come on I'm used to that. Are you used to that? Yes come in. No but I'm not used to that. I won't do it again. Come on sit here. Sit here for a minute please. No I don't want to. If you do this now you will embarrass me. No. You will call me again. I know, but yes, there was too much coming.

I will never do another thing to you. Five minutes. Don't ruin your friendship with me for five minutes. I know, but it's kind of like, it's too much for me. I can't. Please, you're making a big scene here. No, but I want to leave. Okay, bye.

Oh, my skin is crawling. John Cardillo, your former NYPD, what do you make of New York prosecutors having one victim wired and having Weinstein trying to, caught on audio tape, trying to force himself onto her sexually, and they didn't prosecute him. Well, it wasn't them.

I blame, I squarely blame, and I know some of the investigators on this case, former colleagues of mine, Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance, who I feel through this case, and I'll say it, through this case, because Weinstein was a big donor and Weinstein's lawyer was a big donor to his particular political party. Weinstein's lawyer donated to his campaign. Weinstein hung out with the New York elite that Cy Vance needed to stay in office. And the special victims detectives on this case were absolutely livid. They were infuriated to the point where they wanted to shut down helping the DA's office, but they didn't. Their professionals and their other victims deserve justice. But to a person, to a man and woman in the Special Victims Unit and their commanders, they were infuriated at the way the DA dropped this case. Let me just add this. The New York City Police Department Special Victims Unit has some of the most talented proficient professional detectives

in the world they don't present cases to the da's office unless they are 100 sure those cases could be made so again they were livid about long story short understand this cardillo i don't blame the svu i don't blame the detectives they're the ones that wired her up they're the ones that wired her up. They're the ones that bent over backwards, did somersaults, did flips to try to get him. And they did get him. It all came to a screeching halt in the district attorney's office where no one would take it to trial. And they did absolutely nothing. Dave Mack, what is the alleged police misconduct we're talking about? It actually centers around the case accusations of Lucia Evans. She was originally part of this

trial, but one of the detectives allegedly gave instructions to a friend of Ms. Evans regarding her comments that the relationship between Harvey Weinstein and Lucia Evans was actually consensual. And the detective suggested that she get rid of some of those text messages and voicemails that might be indicative of such a relationship. That's what actually caused the Lucia Evans part of this trial to be set aside and to move forward with the other two. Take a listen to this, our friends at CBS. She had accused the movie producer of forcing her to perform oral sex during a meeting at his office back in 2004. But the single charge was dropped by the judge after the court unsealed a letter THE COURT SAYS THE JUDGE CONFIRMED THE CASE. THE JUDGE SAYS THE COURT CONFIRMED THE CASE. THE COURT CONFIRMED THE

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CASE. THE COURT CONFIRMED THE CASE. THE COURT CONFIRMED THE CASE. THE COURT CONFIRMED THE CASE. STAY SILENT ABOUT EVIDENCE PARTIALLY CONTRADICTING EVANS' ACCOUNT OF THE SEX ASSAULT ALLEGATION, ALLEGEDLY TELLING HER LESS IS MORE. PROSECUTORS ALSO RECENTLY OBTAINED AN EMAIL EVANS WROTE IN 2015 TO A MAN SHE LATER MARRIED. THEY SAY THAT ACCOUNT DIFFERS FROM THE ONE SHE PROVIDED TO INVESTIGATORS. THE NYPD SAYS AN INTERNAL AFFAIRS INVESTIGATION OVER THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST THE DETECTIVE BEGAN A WEEK AGO AND HE IS NOW OFF THE CASE. THE OVERALL CRIMINAL CASE

AGAINST MR. WEINSTEIN REMAINS STRONG. THE EVIDENCE IS COMPELLING. THERE ARE FIVE REMAINING COUNTS IN THE INDICTMENT INCLUDING PREDATORY SEXUAL ASSAULT. . .

. . . . ... Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Harvey Weinstein's sex assault case is finally going to trial

with two victims to testify in front of the jury plus similar transaction victims. Lucia Evans' case is not part of this. Now, some people are claiming that there has been police misconduct. All right. These are called similar transactions. You don't believe Lucia Evans. Listen. Then I went to Cannes in May 2014. And whilst I was there, Harvey Weinstein approached me in the Majestics in the lobby it was quite forceful in the sense of telling me to relax and I think then I started to like get a little bit confused he took hold of me and pretty much forced me to walk with him to the bathroom where he

stood me in front of the mirror. Take us to the moment that you knew you were in trouble with him. Well, I had met him in New York previously, and we had been in touch about an audition for a Quentin Tarantino film. And I had submitted it to L.A. and then I ran back into him later. And that's when I met with him at the Peninsula when I had moved to the West Coast.

So I really didn't know anything about the Peninsula. Like if he was staying there. I thought we were meeting at the bar, which we did. And then he told me, okay, we're going to my room now after a few minutes of conversation about movie roles. So then we go up to the suite and I realized he kind of like has a place there and he offers me champagne. And it was very similar to her story that he just is very dominant, persuasive, does not back down if you say no, and kind of just forced me into doing

something I didn't want to do. I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable, but you know, some people hear forced oral sex and they think, how, right? Like, did he hold you down? Could you just help us understand that? I feel like it was a coercive thing, just that he wouldn't let it up, that he that it was just going to happen no matter how hard I refused. And you said no. How did it end? How did you leave the hotel room? It's just that I left after pretty much he was done with whatever he intended to do. So I just left after. I don't know how to put it, Jeff. Let me ask Jeff, because he's there with you, your lawyer. You fought you filed the first lawsuit against them.

And it's not Harvey in particular. It's the Weinstein company. And I'm wondering, well, first, let me ask you, Dominique,ique, did you ever report it to the Weinstein Company or to the board? I did not because I had heard a lot of stories about his behavior in the past. And I just, you know, I was an actress looking for a break and he's a gatekeeper. And I felt that he used his position, you know, to try to make me do something that is not in accord with how I usually behave you were just then hearing actress Dominique Hewitt speaking to Megyn Kelly earlier you heard Cardi and Noble describing Weinstein's sex assault on her in the majestic hotel in France you know it just never ends with this guy and in the lastestic Hotel in France. You know, it just never ends with this guy. And in the last hours, there's going to be questions.

Why is it taking victims so long to come forward? You know what? That's a good question. And that is a question that the jurors are going to ask. It's such a good question that I would fight that question before it came into the jurors' minds. As a matter of fact, to you, Ashley Wilcott, we have under the law what is called outcry, an outcry witness. That means, did your rape victim

tell someone immediately, be it a friend, a doctor, a nurse, the emergency room, a boyfriend, her mom, a roommate, anybody? Why? Because that adds credibility to their rape claim because there's going to be questions. Under our Constitution, you have a right to cross-examination, to confront your witness. That's the Sixth Amendment. Confront your accuser and test them. Test their veracity, their truthfulness. That's what they're going to ask the victims. Ashley, what took you so long to come forward? Absolutely. And so there are a couple of points here.

First of all, it's amazing to me, Nancy, how many kids are victims of sexual abuse and the outcry, which is correct. There should be an outcry. But then as soon as a child turns 18 and, quote, unquote, becomes an adult, at least in the state of Georgia, then they do start picking apart the victim and saying, how is she dressed? How many minutes she had sex with? What is she doing to encourage the behavior? That's the wrong approach. These are victims. They're victims. A victim should never be shamed. They should always be believed unless their credibility and veracity is destroyed at trial, like you've just suggested is possible by asking all those questions.

In this particular case, remember that victims are embarrassed. They're ashamed. It is a mental challenge after being a victim to think clearly and rationally and say, I need to come forward. I was raped yesterday. That's not how it works generally.

And so victims often don't come forward until later. And then there's an empowerment. If you hear that somebody says, oh, I came forward because I was raped by this man who's very powerful in Hollywood, then they're empowered to say, wow, it happened to me too. Maybe I need to put all my trauma aside and come forward as well. I think that the state, Dr. Bethany, has got to do some repair in its opening statement and state up front. You will hear evidence. It can't just be what the prosecutor thinks. It's got to be about the evidence.

You will hear evidence that these victims did not come forward because they thought it would end their career. They'd never be in another movie again. They would be destroyed. And we're going to bring evidence that some victims' careers were destroyed. Think Ashley Judd, according to what we've been told. Dr. Bethany, they've got to put this fire out before it starts raging in that courtroom. But also they have to paint a picture that being sexually involved with another person is very intimate. It involves intimate emotions and experiences that even victims find it difficult to expose. So maybe the victim goes into the hotel room with a history of having been aggressed upon by other people in their lives.

So they believe it's normal to be aggressed upon. So they capitulate to the aggressor, or maybe they go into it, maybe feeling admired or flattered that a powerful, wealthy, older man is showing them attention until it all goes wrong and it turns into a rape scene. But they remember that little, that sliver of time when at first it was titillating, or maybe even though they didn't want to be raped, they experienced some kind of sexual arousal temporarily. So all things... Well, I don't know what you're talking about, Bethany Marshall, because...

Well... When I was just listening to that model going, no, no, no, she did not sound, as you say, titillated to me. With me, Karen Smith, forensics expert. Karen, there's really, unless you've got a, like a Monica Lewinsky blue dress saved in a plastic bag somewhere, I don't know what physical evidence you could use to prove these cases. There's not a lot. We're talking, you know, sometimes decades have gone by, so there's not going to be any physical evidence, any forensics to prove or disprove the allegations. It's just the veracity of the

victim at this point. And like the attorney said, this is strength in numbers. When you have a victim that comes forward immediately, I can collect the clothing. I can collect samples from her body when we go to the rape crisis center under her fingernails, and we take swabs. And it's a second traumatic incident for these women to go through that yet again. They have been victimized once. Now they have to go to a rape crisis center and essentially get victimized again. I shine lights on them. I have to take photographs. It's another intimate issue when we go there. I've held their hands. I've talked to them while they're crying. And you know what? This just it incenses me to hear that the victims are put on post to prove that this happened to them. And unfortunately, the forensics just aren't going to be there for some of these cases. All the women are claiming their careers.

They were afraid their careers would stall or end. Some of them did have a career stall or end. That's what Ashley Judd says happened to her. She battled through it and did not give in to Weinstein. And it is still a concern with claims right now to Dr. Bethany Marshall. I mean, women will be attacked or harassed and they don't say anything because they think they may lose their job. Right. And then some women are attacked and harassed and they do lose their job, like with Harvey Weinstein. So what I think is so incredible about this is you know that rapists are divided into very specific typologies.

And one typology is the power rapist, the one who has a personality disorder, takes a hold of the victim, rapes the victim without any regard for what's going on in the victim's mind. It's not that there's a vendetta or necessarily even that it's driven by sexual desire, but it's driven by the ability to have power over the victim and there's no empathy. And this kind of offender relates to people in that particular way in every aspect of their lives. So just like he cuckolded, as one of the actresses said, he says, look, don't embarrass me. He shames, he beseeches, he pleads, he does everything possible to get his way. And the offending type pattern is the same with each of these women. Now he's acting it out through his attorneys. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. While one of Weinstein's defense attorneys says she plans to show that though he's made mistakes, he is not a criminal.

I am not the moral police on Harvey Weinstein. That's not my job. It's not the jury's job either. If they really look at the evidence that's going to be presented to them, I think I'm going to find him not guilty. I'm going to find him not guilty. That's not my job. It's not the jury's job either. If they really look at the

evidence that's going to be presented to them, I think they're going to find him not guilty. It's still unclear whether Weinstein plans to testify. The 67-year-old telling CNN

since becoming the first focus of the MeToo movement, he's been in therapy, calling the past two years grueling and a great opportunity for self-reflection, refusing to say whether he feels empathy for the

dozens of accusers. I think it's very important for them to get closure and for them really to have their day in court, but the Me Too movement will be here regardless of what happens with this trial. And Weinstein faces a maximum of life in prison if convicted. If he's found not guilty, Weinstein tells CNN he hopes to do something positive, focus on his children, and possibly rebuild a career in the movie industry. You are hearing our friend Marcy Gonzalez at ABC's GMA. Welcome back. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

Harvey Weinstein's sex assault case is finally going to trial with two victims to testify in front of the jury, plus similar transaction victims. Back to you, Dave Mack. How many women are going to testify? How many victims and how many similar transactions? Four women are scheduled to testify who all have similar cases that maybe couldn't be presented because the statute of limitations had gone out. But they're going to be able to share their stories, and each one of these stories is very, very similar. Harvey Weinstein had an M.O., and all of these women, if you just look at the cases, over 80 women have already come forward, and that's what we're going to hear in this court case.

That's why having four women testify, pretty much that he did the same thing to them that he's being accused of by Mimi Halle and this other woman, the jury is going to have to see the similarities. You know, Nancy, when we look at the raw numbers associated with the Harvey Weinstein case, you're talking over 80 women, many of them still anonymous, but still have made legitimate complaints against Harvey Weinstein. But it boils down to a select few that they can actually bring to trial. And in this particular case, we started out with three, two of them, Lucia Evans and Mimi Halle, and another anonymous. Well, Lucia Evans' case was thrown out, and now it's Mimi Halle and this one other anonymous woman. There will be many more that come to watch the

trial. They call themselves the silence breakers. It was actually Times Person of the Year in 2017. Three of the silence breakers that are going to be in the trial every day watching, Caitlin Delaney, Catherine Kendall, and Larissa Gomes. Each one of them has a complaint against Harvey Weinstein. Whether they will actually have their day in court remains to be seen, but they will be there to be supportive of women like Mimi Hale and the others who have yet to put their names out there yet for their own reasons to point out that this has got to stop. Well, another thing that's going to happen, Dr. Bethany Marshall will renounce psychoanalysts out of Beverly Hills at drbethanymarshall.com. The defense is going to attack the victims and drag them through the mud and make out that they're lying. What do you expect to happen,

Dr. Bethany? Well, see, what happens with victims is that sometimes they will capitulate to the perpetrator and then sometimes they will resist. So Harvey Weinstein probably groomed his victims over time before he sexually assaulted them. And so with each victim, there's going to be plenty of evidence that could point to the fact that it was consensual or they were going along with him. But they didn't know what they were going along with. They didn't know where this would lead. And Nancy, Harvey Weinstein on The Walker, did you see that? It reminds me of Michael Jackson. You remember

when he showed up to court all disheveled and said he was in his pajamas and he had been bitten by a spider? You covered that extensively. I forgot the part where he claimed he was bitten by a spider. I'm so glad you reminded me of that. Go ahead. It was a spidey bite. And, you know, I remember on your show at the time talking about the fact that these perpetrators, they will perpetrate, perpetrate, perpetrate. They'll go on for years. They will get everybody to collude with them. But when they finally are brought to justice, they fall apart. It's a very typical thing.

Now, they may be pretending to fall apart more than they really are. I don't know. I know he's had back surgery, but they're great and happy when they're in power and everybody else is being subjugated to their evil ways. But when the worm turns and the judge and society is in power, then they begin to decompensate and fall apart. So they want us to believe that all the women are lying. Back to you, Dave Mack. What's the latest with Weinstein? Nancy, in a shocking turn of events, shortly after the first day of Harvey Weinstein's New York sex crimes

trial concluded, the Los Angeles County District Attorney Jackie Lacey announced that Weinstein has been charged with raping one woman and sexually assaulting another in separate incidents over a two-day period in 2013. Harvey Weinstein, charged with one felony count each of forcible rape, forcible oral copulation, sexual penetration by use of force, and sexual battery by restraint. An arraignment will be scheduled for a later date. The details are this. On February 18, 2013, Harvey Weinstein allegedly went to a hotel and raped a woman after pushing his way inside her room. The next night, Harvey Weinstein is accused of sexually assaulting a woman at a hotel suite in Beverly Hills. Prosecutors are recommending bail be set at $5 million.

If convicted, Harvey Weinstein faces up to 28 years in state prison. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.