Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - OJ SIMPSON DEAD, EN ROUTE TO HELL TONIGHT!

Episode Date: April 12, 2024

June 12, 1994.  Nicole Brown Simpson calls Mezzaluna Trattoria, a restaurant in Brentwood,  California. Her mother had left her reading glasses on the table. Ron Goldman, who worked there, offered to to drop the pair off at Brown's home after work. Just after midnight, police found Goldman's and Brown's bodies in the walkway leading up to her condominium. Both have been stabbed to death.  As OJ Simpson becomes a suspect, he leads police on a slow-speed chase in his white Bronco which is televised as the former Heisman Trophy winner leads a cadre of cars down the interstate.  Simpson is charged, but is acquitted in what was called the "trial of century."  OJ Simpson, dead, after a cancer battle.  Joining Nancy Grace today:  Keith Zlomsowitch - Nicole Brown’s Ex-boyfriend - [e-mail]   Renee Rockwell - Criminal Defense Attorney, Facebook: "Renee.Rockwell"  Bobby Chacon - Former Special Agent FBI, Screenwriter for “Criminal Minds;” Co-star Facebook TV "Curse of Akakor" Instagram/Twitter: @BobbyChaconFBI Dr. Jorey L. Krawczyn - Psychologist, Fmr law enforcement, Faculty Saint Leo University; Consultant Blue Wall Institute, www.bw-institute.com, Author: Operation S.O.S., www.drjorey.com   Shannon Henry  - President & Founder of SASS Go, (Surviving Assault Standing Strong) a nonprofit on a mission to eradicate abuse, trafficking and violence against women and girls globally, Case Consultant, Adjunct Professor at the University of South Carolina in the Department of Education, www.sassgo.org, @sassgoglobal FB, Instagram, Twitter, and TikTok Art Harris -  Fmr. CNN National Investigative Correspondent See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

You're listening to an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Orenthal James Simpson, dead, a.k.a. O.J., a.k.a. The Juice, so many other names, former Heisman Trophy winner. But he may be best known for this. Listen.

In the matter of the people of the state of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA097211, we the jury in the above entitled action find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187A a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. OJ Simpson on his way to hell right now but I play that not guilty verdict because seemingly that has overshadowed everything else he has ever done in his life. You know, it's often said that the Lord loves a sinner. That's a sinner that repents. But how did Simpson live his life after that moment when he snatched the golden ring, when he won the lottery with that not guilty verdict? The same as he did before. No change, no apology, no repentance, no reformation, no doing good works. As a matter of fact, he continued to live his life boozing,

drugging, sex assaulting women, beating them, stealing, mooching, and trying to live off his past glory as a football star. And somehow it seemed to work. He got standing ovations every time he entered a restaurant or a bar, free court side seats, you name it, special treatment wherever he went. Women throwing themselves at Simpson. Why? I don't know. I'm just a trial lawyer, not a shrink, but I know this. He murdered two people and there's something else. Listen. This is OJ Simpson's one day in court. By your decision, you control his very life in your hands. Treat it carefully, treat it fairly, be fair. Don't be part of this continuing cover-up. Do the right thing, remembering that if it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

Okay, you know, not many phrases can actually make me feel nauseous, but that's one of them. Joining me in All-Star Panel to make sense of what we know right now. But first, I want to go to a special guest, a longtime and dear friend of Nicole Brown's, Keith Zlomzowicz. You can find him at KeithZK at AOL.com. Keith, thank you for being with us. You and Nicole were romantically linked for a long time, and you remained friends throughout her life. She told you a lot about O.J. Simpson before she was murdered. What sticks out in your mind?

She told me about all the violence that predicated us meeting. We actually had numerous instances of confrontation with OJ, face-to-face threats, stalking. But when I first met Nicole, she clued me in on a lot of stuff that happened in there prior. She never really told people. I think she was partially embarrassed that she allowed it to happen. She was trying her hardest to get out of the situation. So I unfortunately knew a lot of the horrible details about her situation and then lived it for several years up until her murder. When you say, Keith Zlomzowicz, that you had numerous confrontations with Simpson,

what do you mean by that? Well, it started, I met Nicole in the winter of 92 in Aspen, and I didn't know who she was when I first met her. Early care told me that she was divorcing her husband. He was abusive. So she started to fill me in on that kind of thing. She knew I had the restaurants in Los Angeles, so I'd be visiting out there soon after the initial weekend that we met. So we connected immediately upon me arriving to town.

And the first night or two, she came to visit one of my restaurants, and that's Luna in Beverly Hills. We had a big Tuesday night event that we did every week. So she brought some friends, and it started instantly. The first night I arrived in town, I went to visit her at her house and we got 30, 40 non-stop phone calls, hangups. So we were convinced we were being watched immediately from that point. A night or two later, when she joined me at Mezzaluna in Beverly Hills with some of her girlfriends, OJ showed up almost instantly, you know, came pulling up in his Bentley, squealed the tires in front of the restaurant, slammed the door, came barging in right up to our table and slammed his fist down on the table and proclaimed that he was OJ Simpson and she was

still his wife. So that was the first instance. And then it was followed by numerous other ones every time we went out he would show up at whatever restaurant or bar and then there's the famous night that he followed us home from Roxbury we were at one night and watched us engaging in an activity through the window of her house we both know that he tried to get in but the house was locked and the alarms were set. And he approached the next day. Okay, wait, wait, wait. Keith, Keith, I assume that this is the now famous incident where Simpson comes up to Nicole's house. they've broken up and is looking in the window and sees you guys making out

kissing and does the backflip essentially we were unaware that he was outside the house but we knew that he had followed us that evening we were at several different places he showed up at them all so Nicole just looked at me at one point and said let's just go home. So we went home. We engaged in some activity in the downstairs living room, unawares outside watching us. We found out the next day when he showed up the house and her and I were in one of the back rooms and he burst in the door, got in my face, started threatening and screaming and yelling and, you know know tried to get her alone which she was standing behind me i was in between the two of them so uh she was holding my hand and i could feel her trembling um it was just a it was a volatile situation and it could have gone either way he wanted to be left alone with her and i wasn't i wasn't having any of that at that point um i was aware of what had happened in the past. So I was scared for her safety and obviously my own.

So we argued for several minutes until she convinced me to wait outside the door, but stay close. She made it very clear, stay within earshot. So he could, you know, read her the riot act as he used to doing. So that was the day after he watched us through the house and I could hear him screaming, you know, how he watched us through the window and he followed us home. So it was a bad scene. To veteran trial lawyer with her own unique connection to OJ Simpson and AC Cowlings, defense attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction, Renee Rockwell, you and I both tried a lot of cases.

And could you just take off your defense hat for just one moment and speak the truth? And what universe is Nicole Brown's killer? Not the same man that is stalking her and following her and attacking her even after they've broken up. Well, Nancy, as not a defense attorney, of course, he's the usual and likely suspect. But here's a case where the jury has punished the state for the actions of the police. Okay. You know, I know what you're doing. Bobby Chacon joining me, former special agent with the FBI, screenwriter, criminal minds. You can find him at BobbyChacon.com. Bobby, you hear what she just did, right? She processed what I said, admitted it to be true that Simpson is the killer, because who else would it be other than the man, other than the man that is stalking

her and beating her and busting into the room with another guy there after they broken up. But she said, instead, don't look at that. Look at this. Look what the police did. What did the police do? They did nothing. You actually think there's some big conspiracy that they all got together and said, Hey, let's frame our favorite football star. You know, the Heisman trophy winner, that guy. Yeah. Let's frame him.

That was all BS. I asked Johnny Cochran, my former co-anchor, 1 million times. Simpson did it. He did it. Didn't he? Cochran would never say no. He always said, and Johnny Cochran, God rest his soul, you know I'm telling the truth. He always said, Bobby, jury acquitted him. Yeah, well, there's an old axiom that we just saw in play that says if you can't attack the facts,

you attack the police. It's very popular in the defense bar. And obviously you gave a bunch of facts, stalking, beating, threatening, and then the defense attorney attacks the police. That's a very common axiom of the defense bar. And what you saw in the Johnny CoJ walked into a restaurant, banged his hand on a table and said, I'm OJ Simpson. Johnny Cochran didn't want him treated fairly. He wanted him treated as OJ Simpson, the endeared athlete and celebrity that he was. So this ridiculous assertion that I want him treated like anybody else, that wasn't the defense position. The defense started the closing argument saying, this is OJ Simpson. Treat him like the beloved athlete and celebrity that you know him to be. And so fairness went out the window. This day, the day that OJ Simpson is on his way to hell, he is still being lauded

as a football icon, a star. But this is how I remember him. Listen. Oh, and that's not all. Listen. 911 emergency. Can you get someone over here now? To 325 Gretna Green. He's back. Please? Okay, what does he look like? He's OJ Simpson. I think you know his record. Hey, what is he doing there?

He's so lucky here. Wait a minute, what kind of car is he in? He's in a white Bronco, but first of all he broke the back door down to get in. Wait a minute, what's of car is he in? He's in a white Bronco. But first of all, he broke the back door down to get in. Wait a minute, what's your name? Okay, is he the sportscaster or whatever? Yeah. Okay, what is he doing?

Wait a minute, what's he doing? Is he threatening you? He's thinking going nuts. So what is he saying? Oh, something about some guy. I don't know. I started this shit before, and it's all my fault. And what am I going to do?

This is a big dilemma. It's all my fault. I'm about to get killed. Joining me right now, special guest Shannon Henry, president and founder of SAS, S-A-S-S, Surviving Assault, Standing Strong. Shannon Henry, president and founder of SAS, S-A-S-S, Surviving Assault, Standing Strong. Shannon Henry, did you hear there at the end? She says, this is all my fault.

She's got Simpson breaking down the door. We've seen so many shots of Nicole Brown beaten up to a pulp. And she says, it's all, it's my fault. I'm the reason this is happening to me. Right. And it's, it's my fault. I'm the reason this is happening to me. Right. And it's true. So many survivors try to navigate the way that these abusers are abusing them. It's, you know, they're making sure that they're not sleeping.

They're controlling finances. They're physically abusing them, mentally abusing them. There's so many different things. You can't wear this. You can't go out with this person. And so what you see there is her going, gosh, I've tried so hard to manage the way that he treated me. But inevitably, it's always out of control because he, who has tried so many, many cases, including cases where there's domestic violence. But Shannon, is there any universe where the man that repeatedly stalks, beats the victim is not the man that kills her?

That is crazy talk. It is crazy talk. And we know that people like this in general do not change. They're going to keep this pattern of behavior, which always increases with intensity and frequency over time. And then you see that, you know, those wires in his mind are crossed so far back. His feelings, his safety, his emotions are first and foremost his priority, not hers. And it never will be. And you can say, well, can we get therapy? Can we do all the things to try to make this better? But again, those wires are crossed so far back. And it's kind of like if she were to stay with him, it's like putting an alcoholic in a bar and saying, don't drink. He is more in love. She may have been in love with him, but he is more in love with

controlling her than he ever was with her herself. And so they had two different definitions of love. She truly wanted to love him. She tried to stay from the age of 18 until he in? He's in a white Bronco, but first of all, he broke the back door down to get in. Wait a minute, what's your name? Okay, is he the sportscaster or whatever? Yeah. Okay, what is he doing? Wait a minute, what is he doing? Is he threatening you? I don't know. OJ Simpson, dead.

But his legacy, and for those of you that can't see me, can only hear me, I'm definitely using air quotas, his legacy lives on. What legacy is that? No, not of a gridiron great, a Heisman Trophy winner, a loving father and husband. His legacy is getting away with murder and then seemingly living the high life for the rest of his life after kicking Lady Justice in the teeth. A lot is being made of his football career and what a quote legend he is, but I want to show you something. This is the reality of O.J. Simpson. I want to warn you, this is graphic content. Crime scene photos from the night of a double murder. Nicole Brown left lying outside her home, covered in blood. From what we've learned from the autopsy report, her head was barely still on her body. Ron Goldman, horribly, horribly sliced and stabbed. This is what OJ Simpson is, murder and desecration. And the

suggestion that the police somehow formed a conspiracy to frame a football star is just more crazy talk. Somehow my old old co-anchor, Johnny Cochran, managed to pull it off. Did you see the look on all the lawyers' faces when the not guilty was announced? You're like, what? Did you hear that? Joining me right now,

in addition to Nicole's longtime friend, Keith Zlomcewicz, Renee Rockwell, Bobby Chacon, Shannon Henry, Dr. Joy Cross, and Art Harris with me, former CNN National Investigative correspondent who was on the Simpson case as it unfolded. You know, the problem now, Art, is that I don't think the victims have anywhere to put their anger and their grief. You know, at first there was the trial. They got through the trial. Then there was a civil trial, which they won after Simpson scored, what, a negative 40 on his lie detector. Caught in one lie after the next, after the next, including those Bruno Mali shoes.

The bloody footprints clearly were Bruno Mali's. He said he didn't own any. And then they were found in a photo from the inquiry. I mean, there's just so many lies about that night. So they get through the civil trial. They win. They go on a crusade for justice. Simpson is dead. There's nothing to fight anymore. It's over. And to me, that really takes wind out of their sails. And it's just another reminder that Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown are never coming back. So O.J. Simpson was a jock obsessed with someone he believed he owned, and that was Nicole. He was enraged that she was driving a white Ferrari he bought around Beverly Hills, around Metzaluna, and going to visit Ron Goldman. He was following them everywhere. it special for someone she found very special, who later would try to come between her and a knife

and OJ Simpson. You know, this is a crazy, totally, I mean, the guy was obviously an sociopath, but also a psychopath. I mean, he had no, you know, no compassion. I mean, if you can do this to the mother of your children, what can't you do? Hey, Art Harris, I got a question for you. You did a lot of investigative reporting. You did a lot of digging during the trial. Okay. Simpson is dead. How about the truth? Isn't it true that that night, the night of the murders, he was high as a kite on drugs, possibly meth? Well, he did a lot of cocaine, Nancy. I interviewed his limousine driver who said that if you were a friend of O.J.'s,

he would share his cocaine with you. Her cousin, Ralph Bauer, did a lot of cocaine with O.J., and that was a stumbling block in the marriage because he was out of it a lot. And that drug can make you especially enraged if he's doing other things too. Nicole was not totally innocent in the partying, but that was something that came between them. And this was something that, yeah, he was fueled with rage and often high on cocaine. But if you look at the, also, if you look at the bloody footprints in the walkway, police analyzed that, and they were able to say that this is, he moved between the two people,

slicing and slashing, and then he cut himself. All the evidence was there. And, you know, the, I'll never forget, the DNA did not matter because F. Lee Bailey had, they had a plan to pick jurors who did not believe in DNA.

There was a very, very callous in terms of how to pick the right jury, that picking people who had never taken high school science and math, and they bored them to death. And then they used OJ's celebrity to reach the verdict. He reached out to people he'd left behind long ago, Nancy, the black community he pretended to care about, but look at how he was living. And this was, he did not have, you know, he was not tried by a jury of his peers. If he had been, he would be in, it would have been in Santa Monica because his peers were country club golfers. And so here he was. They found the gloves.

They were his size, extra large. Nicole had gotten them for Christmas. And, you know, all the evidence was there. It's just how do you get over that? State of California versus Orenthal James Simpson, case number BA097211. We, the jury, in the above entitled action, find the defendant, Orenthal James Simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder in violation of penal code section 187A, a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson. Okay, I was just looking at Johnny Cochran when that happened. He's like, what? Section 187A, a felony upon Nicole Brown Simpson. Okay.

I was just looking at Johnny Cochran when that happened. He's like, what? Nobody can believe it, including me. You know, to you, Renee Rockwell, high-profile defense attorney in the Atlanta jurisdiction. You called me early, early this morning to remind me about a bet. And I'm not a betting person, much less on a case, so I wouldn't put any money on it. But we did do a handshake. And Nancy, what was the bet? I bet you, just like in Michael Jackson, that he was not going to get convicted. And where does it start? From the venue where the trial was held, Nancy.

Just like the relationship that was doomed from the start, so was the trial. There was not going to be a conviction, Nancy. Those are two bets that I lost. And again, I'd like to reiterate, I did not put money on it. It was a handshake in a courthouse hallway. I swore there was no way Simpson was going to walk on this because the evidence was so strong. And somehow by the time F. Lee Bailey and Johnny Cochran got through with the case, everybody believed the police had taken part in some big conspiracy.

The police got put on trial and Simpson walked. Okay. You know, I heard Art Harris talking about the crime scene and Art Harris. There have been a lot of theories. And again, didn't you tell me that just before the murders, Simpson was with his dealer at a Burger King? And yes, you're right. It was cocaine, not meth. Isn't that true? He was with his dealer getting jacked up at a Burger King. I believe so.

So however he got it, Nancy, he had a lot of cocaine and he would often share it with his friends. A limousine driver told me that and a lot of people who were friends of his, he loved to party and that's what he did. Well, I guess you call it partying, Art Harris. I call it a felony. But that said, something else you said about the footprints. There have been a lot of theories that spin out over the years, such as his son was responsible. Not true. That there were two attackers. Not true. And you said something very critical that was never really emphasized at trial. The footprints that went back and forth between Ron Goldman and Nicole Brown were from the same person. There was one pair of Bruno Mali shoes going back and forth.

There were no other footprints except for one person. Isn't that true? That's right. And O.J. cut himself in between cutting the two victims. So, you know, they got that DNA off the crime scene too, Nancy. And it was a horrific scene. And I don't know how you get over that, but they were able to see the way that the footprints moved that he was just going back and forth until they bled out. So this was... Because he was high as a kite on cocaine and angry. He was angry before he got jacked up. And when you've got a football player, his notoriety and his skill and his agility, as I was saying, he had hands the size of two Virginia hams.

And then he's already angry about Nicole Brown seeing someone else. Then he gets cranked up on Coke. What do you think is going to happen? But if that's not enough, he apparently is clairvoyant as well. Listen. I remember I grabbed a knife. I do remember that portion, taking a knife from Charlie. And to be honest, after book, If I Did It. I remember I grabbed the knife. I do remember that portion.

Taking the knife from Charlie. Who's Charlie? And to be honest, after that, I don't remember. Joining me right now, Dr. Jory Croson, psychologist, former law enforcement, and faculty at St. Leo University. Dr. Jory, thank you for being with us. Why is it that so many stone cold killers are clairvoyant? Remember Scott Peterson said to his girlfriend, yeah, this is going to be the first Christmas I have without my wife. She died. And then boom, it became true. And here you have Simpson having a dream of sorts about killing Nicole, and it matched up exactly with the facts.

Wow. Some of those are like delusions, definitely. But can I address the thing about the cocaine? Because I find that very interesting, even back in that period of time. There was a lot of cocaine in use in this country. And here in Florida, we experienced several cases of what's called cocaine toxicity. That's like an overdose, but then the cocaine actually becomes toxic in the system, and it starts to create this hypervigilance and psychologically moves them into psychosis. And when you look at this attack, how aggressive and violent was, you know, that's

outside the realm of normal human behavior. That's something I would expect to see as a psychologist, as a homicide investigator when I worked it, some substance to add to that aggression. And that could be like cocaine definitely would fit, methamphetamine, phenocyclidine, PCP would be another one. We, the jury in the above entitled case find the defendant, Ornthal James Simpson, as follows. Count one, conspiracy to commit a crime, guilty. Count two, conspiracy to commit kidnapping, guilty. Count 2, conspiracy to commit kidnapping, guilty. Count 3, conspiracy to commit robbery, guilty. Count 4, burglary while in possession of a deadly weapon, guilty.

Count 12, coercion with use of a deadly weapon, Alfred Beardsley. Alternative to count 6, guilty of coercion with use of a deadly weapon. Dated this third day of October 2008, juror number 3, 4 person. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, are those your verdicts as read, so say you won. So say you all as to defendant Orenthal James Simpson. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Simpson. Have a seat. So this guy wins the jackpot, right? He gets a not guilty on a double murder when he so clearly did it. His blood at the crime scene when he cut himself, as Art Harris just reminded us, he has the bloody shoes, the Bruno Mali shoes that the footprints were at the scene.

The victim's blood was on his socks found in his home. He did it. So what does he do after that? Does he reform? Does he say, oh, thank you, God in heaven, I'm going to lead a life to honor you or to make up to the victims, to make up to crime victims, to make up to battered women? No, he keeps on boozing, drugging, chasing every Nicole Brown lookalike he can find, sex assaulting them. There are reports that he would walk up to Nicole Brown in public, in public at restaurants and bars and grab her by her crotch in front of people. The beatings go on and on with different women. I'm sure you're all familiar with that.

Instead of changing his life, accepting responsibility, maybe even apologizing. Hey, he could have even blamed his drug habit. A lot of people would have bought into that. But no, he did none of that. Instead, Art Harris, he teams up with a former co-defendant I believe you're familiar with, Charles Ehrlich, aka Charlie Tuna, that I tried in inner city Atlanta and put away for for 20 years for trafficking in cocaine. He was a rich playboy at the time that lived in a high rise on Peachtree Street, right across from Lindbergh. And a big hunk of uncut cocaine was delivered to his place. And I got him. He gets out of jail early, Art,

and somehow, out of all the places in the world, he makes his way to O.J. Simpson, and what do they do? Commit an armed robbery in Vegas. Amazing. Nancy, he was there to reclaim, he said, his memorabilia that had been sold out from under him and that he felt entitled to.

So he was told that it was in this room. Do you want to get into this? It was in the room at this hotel. And he shows up with a friend who has a gun and suddenly he's back in play for law enforcement. He's arrested and charged with armed robbery and gets nine years. And often people wonder, you know, was this, you know, a make- up sentence for what he avoided. Your friend, your colleague, Judge Glass threw the book at him. And, you know, he was never contrite.

He was never, you know, he always blamed Nicole. And as often happens in domestic abuse and murders, you know, he blamed her and she, it was her fault, because she was the one who made, quote, him mad. And she deserved it. And that's the only way he could, you know, go on living with himself, I suppose, because she was the woman behind his rage and was cavorting and having a normal life. To Keith Zlomzowicz, Nicole Brown's boyfriend, Keith, have you noticed how even now people still gloss over, they airbrush the truth about Simpson's felonies, his crimes. For instance, he was roped in to the armed robbery in Vegas. He was, quote, back in play with law enforcement. He took things that he thought were his.

That's all a lie. He met up with a guy I put in jail for 20 years on trafficking cocaine and they commit an armed robbery in Vegas on unarmed people. That's what happened. But to hear it told, oh, he was just taking back some pictures and memorabilia, footballs, that were really his to start with. That's BS. He was still doing the same thing. It's a pattern that never changed from early on. And just to clarify, Nicole and I were not dating when she was murdered.

He had forbid us to have any contact and he threatened her pretty violently. The 911 tape that you played earlier in the program where she says my name sparked an incident where he absolutely went ballistic over us and refused to allow her any contact with me whatsoever. For the last several months of her life, Sadly, we had no contact because of that. And she had tried the ill fated reconciliation with him. But part of that deal was she was absolutely forbidden any contact with me whatsoever. So we had a last conversation. After that 911 call, she informed me what had happened.

I was out of town at the time. So just to clarify that. But as far as his other crimes, you know, and Charlie, there's a school of thought out there that was proposed to me by someone in L.A. that Charlie from Las Vegas was actually the Charlie mentioned in If I Did It at the scene of the crime. I mean, I know there's no evidence to show a second person there, but there's a theory out there that he was involved. O.J. Simpson was convinced a former close friend stole some personal effects from him and was selling them through his sports memorabilia business. So Simpson put together a group of five men, and on the night of September 13, 2007,

they stormed room 1203 at the Palace Station Hotel in Las Vegas and on the night of September 13th 2007 they stormed room 1203 at the Palace Station Hotel in Las Vegas and took the items back two of the five men OJ led into the hotel room that night were carrying weapons within three days all the men were arrested OJ was initially held without bail Simpson faced 12 charges in all including kidnapping and armed robbery he was convicted on October 3rd, 2008 on all charges and was sentenced to 33 years in prison with possible parole after nine years. To Renee Rockwell, high profile defense lawyer, joining us out of Atlanta, I remember

the chase, the Bronco chase, where I guess A.J. Simpson held himself hostage. That was a Bronco commercial, Nancy. With a gun to his own head. That was a Bronco commercial. I mean, as if there were ever any doubt of rational minds that Simpson committed double murder, why would you go on the run holding a gun to your head after you'd already threatened suicide after the murder of your ex-wife? I mean, it's such clear evidence of guilt. And in that car was A.C. Cowlings.

That's true, Nancy. And let me remind you about the thousands of people that were on the roadway with signs. We love you, OJ. You know, free OJ. Do you recall that, Nancy? Yes, yes. Do you recall the thousands that were lining the roadway? I remember very well.

They were on bridges, by the road. They even had posters already. Right. And Nancy, why would you say that people just glossed over the armed robbery? He went to unarmed people, he said Simpson's back in play. It sounds like a football term. You're back in play. He committed armed robbery. That's a gloss over.

He was Heisekite on coke. He murdered two people and nearly cut off Nicole Brown's head. And it's glossed over. Did you know yesterday on the Heisman Trophy Twitter account, he was being mourned? All those posters along the highway of the Bronco Chase should have been about Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman. Instead, they were Go Juice. They were. Nancy, do you remember?

Somebody should have taken note. Somebody should have taken note of that and said, we're not trying him where he's going to get acquitted. We need to try him downtown where he's going to get convicted. I blame that on the state. What were you saying, Art? Well, I was going to say that, you know, in the Bronco, he didn't just have the gun, Nancy, which led everyone to believe, oh, he's going to go kill himself. You know, but he had a wig.

He had money. You know, he had an instant escape kit for a vacation in mexico possibly so you know this was not uh you know this was not someone who purely uh you know he didn't have the courage to kill himself probably but the main thing was this was not this was not something that was cut and dried and so if you look if you look at all the details, this was someone who was running from his own shadow and his own soul. This is what I know. He got the golden key. He had his whole life in front of him once he had that not guilty verdict, which is totally wrong. And what did he do? He squandered the rest of his life.

He never made good with the victim's families and spent out his days denying, denying, denying. O.J. Simpson, you never got justice here on earth, but you're getting it tonight with Satan. Let's stop and remember American hero Officer Tuan Lee, just 36, shot in the line of duty, serving residents of Oakland, California. He leaves behind his wife, his mother, and his family. American hero, Officer Tuan Le. I want to thank all of our guests for being with us,

but especially to you for being with us tonight and every night. Nancy Grace signing off. Good night, friend.