Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - OnlyFans "Model" Stabs Lover Dead, NEW BODY CAM FOOTAGE

Episode Date: June 22, 2024

Courtney Clenney, the Only Fans model accused of murdering her boyfriend, is not the only Clenney charged in connection to the death of Christian Obumseli. Clenney's parents are facing computer crime charges. Prosecutors say the family illegally access a laptop, overlooked by police,  belonging to Obumseli.   Defense attorneys counter that the laptop may have been a shared device.  A police  warrant states thatClenney and her parents discussed potential passwords to hack into the laptop using as many as a dozen.    In the meantime Clenney is still facing murder charges. No trial date has been set.  Clenney was arrested on charges that she stabbed her boyfriend to death at a Miami high-rise. Christian Obumseli, 27, died inside the couple's apartment.  An attorney for Clenney says that the 25-year-old “was a victim of physical, emotional, and mental abuse at the hands of Obumseli and killed him in self-defense. However in a newly-released video, recorded by Obumseli's phone Courtney Clenney is heard viciously berating her boyfriend, calling him a racist slur, and more.   Friends of the couple said it was unimaginable that Obumseli could have been violent toward Clenney, saying while they had seen Clenney hit Obumseli, they had never seen him hit her.   Three recordings, running between one and seven minutes long were provided in the discovery phase of the murder case against Clenney.    Joining Nancy Grace Today: Brad M. Micklin, Esq - Lead Attorney, Managing Member, The Micklin Law Group, LLC (Nutley, NJ), micklinlawgroup.com Dr. Charles Heller - Clinical and Forensic Psychologist Specializing in Domestic Violence, Chief Forensic Consultant: Rockland County (New York) Forensic Mental Health Unit, Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences Dr. Todd M. Barr - Board-Certified Anatomic/Clinical/Forensic Pathologist (Ohio), Featured in "Thin Places: Essays From In Between" by Jordan Kisner, Twitter: @ToddBarrME Dan Corsentino - Former Police Chief, Former Sheriff, Served on US Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, Private Investigator www.dancorsentino.com Charlie Lankston - FeMail Editor, DailyMail.com, Twitter/Instagram:@charlielanks See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The porn site OnlyFans seems to be sweeping the country in popularity. But for you legal eagles, this is what you need to know. The so-called OnlyFans killer model Courtney Kleeney is now seen in body cam video begging to see the crypto trader boyfriend she just stabbed dead and tells cops she tried to save his life despite her being scared. Excuse me, you're the one with the knife, lady. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime

Stories. Thank you for being with us. The OnlyFans model, Courtney Clinney, covered in blood after allegedly stabbing her boyfriend and begging paramedics to save him after the attack. This is all discovered on newly released body cam footage. Clintney, 27, now facing murder charges in the deadly stabbing of her crypto trader boyfriend, Christian Ambuselli. They were at their luxury Miami apartment when the murder occurred. The new video shows the moment cops enter the apartment to find the OnlyFans model, and I use that in the loosest sense of the word, cradling her victim and crying, baby, baby, baby, wake up.

And no, no, no, no, as police try to move her away. She was covered in blood head to toe, wearing drenched sweatpants and said, I can't let this happen. And quickly, it wasn't me. As cops pull her hands behind her neck and cuff her. This is all on body cam video. While speaking to police as paramedics try to save the boyfriend, she says, I'm terrified for him, and I was, quote, so scared. I'm covered in his blood because I was trying to save him. I need him. He's my other half. Well, guess what, lady? Your other half is dead.

What exactly happened? Listen to our friends at WSVN. A bloody Sunday domestic killing inside a trendy Miami high rise. I think everybody is in shock, actually, like flabbergasted. These images come courtesy of TMZ. The sparkling one Pariso condominium is where it got violent days ago. And now a 27 year old man is dead and his family is devastated. Courtney Clenny, a famous Instagram model, is who Miami police say was involved in a physical altercation with Obumsele, who was stabbed. Wow, the way they said that, the sparkling one pareso condominium, that proves it doesn't matter

where you live or how much money you have or education or what color you are doesn't matter crime can and will find its way into your life and only fans model now charged with murder how the hay is twisted around to where she is the victim take a listen now to our friends at wplg following the stabbing clanny was detained she was brought here to the police department for questioning, and during that process, she was threatening to kill herself, so officers took her to the hospital where she was Baker-acted. Detectives revealed Christian Abumsele was stabbed during an argument inside their luxury Miami apartment in April. After the stabbing, video obtained by TMZ shows Klenny handcuffed and covered in blood sitting on the floor. Clenny was not charged during the initial investigation.

What? What? Not charged? She's sitting on the balcony of a high-rise. Translation, nobody went in or came out. High-rise balcony covered in her boyfriend's blood and she's not charged what because she's pretty and has a big bosom is that why she's not charged okay she's what too pretty for jail did you hear that earlier part you know i want to go to you, Charlie Langston, female editor. That's F-E-M-A-I-L at DailyMail.com. But I've got to just go to Dr. Charles Heller. Heller, clinical forensic psychologist specializing in domestic violence. He's at Rutgers Biomedical and Health Sciences.

Dr. Heller. Yes, Nancy. Is there a clinical term for drama queen the boyfriend is stabbed dead and then she's what hyperventilating in her push-up bra on the balcony covered in his blood and then she threatens to kill herself yeah it's of course she didn't kill herself but just what's the word for that? Histrionic, I guess. I bet you've got a really big word for drama queen.

Well, we could start with narcissism. We could go to antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality. Also, there's a strange addiction that people have to other people called codependency. And I think both of these people were addicted to each other and could not leave each other. Okay, hold on, hold on. I've got something to throw at you. Okay, everybody on the panel, just hold on a moment. Dr. Heller. With me is a renowned expert, Dr. Charles Heller, forensic psychologist at Rockland County,

chief forensic consultant at Rutgers Biomedical. That's not shabby. Dr. Heller, maybe you can put this in the correct clinical terms, but I've had friend girls in the past say, oh, I don't like him. He's boring. I'm like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. You've dated all these losers who stand you up, who cheat on you. They're drinkers. They do drugs. They're unemployed. Then they're employed. You know, they yell at your children. You go up and down and up and down. You finally get a decent guy and he's boring. Seriously? What is that when you are so addicted to the roller coaster of an abusive or toxic relationship? You're so addicted. When you finally get a nice guy that works for a living, comes home, takes you out to dinner, that's boring. You don't want Red Lobster anymore. You want to go have a fight in the parking lot. What is that? Well, first of all, that kind of person also has an addiction, an addictive personality, and they crave certain stimuli in another person that gives them like a high.

And being close to another person like that is what they crave. And they want to control that person. Did you think it's not necessarily a personality trait, but they're conditioned to it. They're used to the highs and the lows and the roller coaster and the happiness when he brings the roses and the despair when he doesn't show up overnight. You're like, wow, is he with a hooker? I mean, that when you're, when you're used to that and then you have a somewhat normal relationship, that's boring. I don't know that that would be a personality trait. It could be just what you're used to. Like children that grow up in a violent

home, they're really not happy until they are in a violent home themselves. And that feels normal to them. Well, codependency is a family disease, just like alcoholism. And it starts in the family you grew up in. Guys, you're hearing Dr. Charles Heller, and I haven't even gotten into the facts yet. We have an all-star panel with us, but I just had to go to Dr. Heller about this woman, the only fans model and no Charlie Langston, editor of Female, F-E-M-A-I-L, at DailyMail.com. Charlie, how is it he's dead from multiple stab wounds on the floor, and she turns out to be the victim and threatens to kill herself?

Really? Well, she is claiming that he was stabbed in self-defense. She claims that he grabbed her by the throat and that she grabbed the knife to defend herself. However, I should point out the cops who went to the apartment said that there was absolutely no evidence of any injury on her body. So there is extreme doubt over her claims that he grabbed her by the throat if he did that and left not a single mark it can't have been violent enough in my opinion to warrant a response with a knife brad m micklin is joining us guys he is a very high profile lawyer joining us lead attorney managing member at the micklin law Group joining us out of New Jersey. You can find them at MicklinLawGroup.com. Brad, I hate a lot of aspects regarding criminal defendants, but one thing I really hate, and this is having defended battered women for many,

many years and worked as a volunteer for nearly 10 years at the Battered Women's Center. I hate when women aggressors, women bullies, women killers use the battered women's syndrome to their benefit when it's not true because people hear about it. And then when they're sitting on a jury with a real battered woman, they go, oh, this is BS. See what I mean? No, I agree. It's supposed to be a shield, a protection, battered women's syndrome, the domestic violence protection orders. But people use it as a weapon.

And then when the victim is dead and can't defend himself, it's an easy defense to use. I mean, your whole conversation with Dr. Heller before was implicitly saying Christian was to blame, that she was addicted to his abuse, to his dependency. And we're already talking about what did he do, what was his role in this, without talking about the fact that she stabbed him and everything that was recorded and shown shows that she goes from calm to rage and nothing more. On the other hand, you really can't ignore the statistics that typically overwhelmingly, like 90 percent, 90 plus percent of the time, it is the male that is the aggressor. I can't avoid that truth.

And that's a truth we've got to deal with. But speaking of her being the victim. That's not a truth unless you accept that stat. Well, I do accept the stat. You can go on Google and get a stat to support with. But speaking of her being the victim... That's not a truth unless you accept that stat. Well, I do accept the stat. You can go on Google and get a stat to support anything. Well, I usually stick with the Department of Justice and should I believe you, Micklin, or my lying eyes?

I know what I saw in court every day for 10 straight years plus. I know what I saw at Grady Memorial Hospital where all the beat-up women go. I know what I saw at the battered women's center. Night after night after night of battered women. So you are my lion eyes. Let me think about that. Well I don't, look I don't deny that women are often significant victims of

domestic violence but that doesn't negate the fact that just as many men are, too. Just more of them are restrained from reporting. I don't know what you're smoking, man, but I'm not getting near it. So the claim that she is the victim. Take a listen now to our cut 10. This is our friends. These are our friends at Fox 7 and WPLG. Behind closed doors, we just started hearing some shouting, yelling.

We don't know who was starting what. We didn't get a lot of contacts. Occasionally we would hear some glasses break and some banging on the walls, floors. Not sure who was doing it. I just want people to know that it had been going on for a long time and it definitely could have been stopped. When police reported that Obamselli was fatally stabbed by Clanny on Sunday inside their Miami apartment, the friends were left speechless. They portray a very violent relationship at the hands of only one person. I've seen her hit him. I've never seen him hit her. But regardless of what friends and neighbors insist to be true, somehow the Only Fans model is being painted as the victim. Take a listen to our friends at WPLG. Her lawyer sent me

this statement. It reads in part, Abumsele attacked her and choked her that evening. Courtney had no choice but to meet force with force. In April, a neighbor told Local 10 he had a clear view of the couple's apartment and saw Clenny getting physically abused. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Trust me, body cam video of the date of the so-called OnlyFans murder will be admitted into evidence in front of a jury. That is, unless the state takes a cheap plea on what should be a murder one charge. The body cam video is damning. The defendant, Clanny, who uses the name Courtney Taylor on her porn platforms like Instagram and OnlyFans, acknowledges she kills her boyfriend, but now says she acted in self-defense. Her defense attorney, Frank Prieto, insists the boyfriend was the abusive one. But that's not what friends and family say. Listen to this. Don't touch me! What is going on? Are you going to get this mad at me when I'm apologizing to you?

No, Christian. You're thinking I'm doing it on purpose. Drop your hypics. I'm not doing it on purpose. You touched the aura. The right thing to do is to tell me. Yes, and I am so sorry. So shut up and let me f*** you dumb a**.

Give me my phone. You have your phone. I don't have it anymore. Find it and f*** it. Find it, Charlie. I'm sorry, please. I don't care. Okay, that's not going to help her claim that she's the victim. To Charlie Langston joining us from DailyMail.com, the editor of Female. What did I just hear?

I heard her going crazy on him, cursing at him, ordering him around. She's saying something like, you touched her. The right thing to do is to tell me. She is really letting him have it. He's going, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. What was that all about? So what you were hearing there was a recording that Obamsele himself made. It's one of multiple recordings

of moments when Pliny was abusive towards him. Some of the other recordings are even more horrific. You can hear her physically slapping him. You can hear her repeatedly calling him the N-word. She swears at him. She belittles him. She berates him. Did you say call him the N-word. She swears at him. She belittles him. She berates him. Did you say call him the N-word? He's black. She's white. She called him the N-word on multiple occasions, and he recorded all of it. Yeah, you're right, Charlie Langston. There are a lot of audio tapes, and guess what? We've got them. This is reminding me of Johnny Depp versus Amber Heard with not quite as much money

involved. Take a listen to this. I don't know where your phone is. Find it. Can you help me find it? I want! So why? Find it! Why are you screaming, man? Not man, but...

Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Oh, ****. Yeah, ****. Yeah, man. ****. Yeah, because I'm a little man.

Ha! ****. ****. Man. Yeah, because I'm full of man. Yeah. Okay. Sadly, you're going to hear more. Listen. I need to find it because I have to go to the ER again. So to go out? No. You said she invites you to go. I don't following my phone. I don't have your phone.

Can you just... Just follow my phone. Cece, can you just please... Shut up. She's like, please. Shut up. You want to go... I didn't go to...

Yes, you did. You always wanted to... Bernie, I was always... You literally told me about it. What are you talking about? You're a... Okay. Put on your seatbelt because there's a lot more.

Joining me, Dan Corsentino, former police chief, former sheriff, served on U.S. Homeland Security Senior Advisory Board, now private investigator. You can find him at dancorsentino.com. He seems to know everything about every high-profile case that I'm interested in. Dan Corsentino, murder. Very often we don't know what led up to it. We don't know what's going on behind the scenes. But what do you make of what you're hearing right now?

All this over a lost iPhone. You find my iPhone for Pete's sake. Why are they fighting over an iPhone to this degree? What's happening? And he ends up stabbed dead? Well, to me, obviously, it's a very dysfunctional relationship to say the very minimum. But as you take a look at the pattern of behavior with Miss Clinton in this situation, It appears that she, and I hate to use the terminology as a spoiled little brat, but it appears that she is a young woman who wants to

be controlling, demanding in the situation. And if she's not getting her way, she escalates her behavior. And obviously not being a psychologist, but being a cop, one of the things you'd look for upon entering a situation is the demeanor of the individuals or individual that is in the house. And in this case, she may have fooled some people or attempted to fool some people because, you know, she was an only fans model. She was acting and she's a very good actress. You know what? I'm trying to absorb everything that you just said, because there are parts of that there that it's very profound as it relates to the probative nature of Clint E's personality. Charlie Langston, what about it? Did you hear what Corsentino just said?

I did. Did you see that picture, Charlie? Charlie Langston joining us from DailyMail.com of her sitting on the balcony covered in blood, but somehow she manages to have her left breast hanging out i did police get there okay and the dog nobody's commented on that but i mean there it is and the dog is sitting there just looking her like what did you just do do you see this i did and i think it's in your article charlie i'm looking right at it and it I mean, it's unbelievably shocking. And I think I mean, the cops are coming. So, hey, just take your breast out. What?

Well, and I think, you know, the image that was portrayed, whether or not it was constructed or real, is the is an image of someone who is trying to look in a state of emotional distress, because that is one of the things that she has claimed, that there is no way she could be responsible. There's no way that she could have intended to kill him because she was in such a state of emotional distress when cops arrived. That's not someone who intended to kill someone. Or it's someone that killed their boyfriend in an angry bratty fit he couldn't couldn't regret it immensely yeah couldn't get the emts there fast enough to save his life not that she cared knows the cops are there so she takes her breast out

i don't know what effect that's going to have on a female cop running up, what, 15 flights of stairs. But that said, there it is. That's something for the jury to mull. Joining me, Dr. Todd M. Barr, board certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologist. Joining us out of Ohio, featured in Thin Places, Essays from Inbetween. And you can find him on Twitter at Todd Barr M. E. That stands for medical examiner. Dr. Bar, what do you make of this copious amount of blood from a stab to the shoulder? Well, yeah, Nancy, I'm looking at the crime scene photos and which crime scene photos of her on the balcony with her breast hanging out.

Well, there's that. But that to the picture of the knife on the floor with the blood spatter all over the walls and all over the floor uh clearly uh an artery was hit uh that's a um a lot of blood spatter and and coming from a from an artery which is under great pressure um and and the fact you know which artery the carotid um well if he was stabbed well no it's in the shoulder yeah it's probably the subclavian artery of the brachial artery one of the oh okay wait a minute i'm just a jd you're the md the what are we only we typically hear of the carotid in the neck or the femoral in the leg. What are the ones you just said? Brachial, that means arm. Right, exactly.

And subclavian is what comes off of the aorta that feeds the blood to the shoulder area, to the brachial artery. Subclavian. Now, clavicle is this, right? Yes. Okay, Jackie, Dr. Jackie is saying yes. So sub means below that.

There's an artery there and the brachial artery in your arm. Correct. Yeah. So all of those blood vessels and all the nerves that feed the arm, everything sort of come together right through. And they sort of traverse down through the armpit and down into the arm area. But this is from something that was arterial in nature, as far as I can tell from the pictures I'm looking at. When you say it that way, it sounds like you're dissecting a bug. Arterial in nature, you mean she stabbed him in an artery. Is that what that means?

Yes, that's exactly what that means. Artery is more like, have you ever driven by a fire hydrant and just see the water shooting out? Exactly. That's our tear pressure. That's a stab in the artery. That's exactly right. It's under intense high pressure. Every time the heart contracts, it's forcing that blood into those arteries.

And the heart is just a solid muscle. So every time it squeezes, it's going to shoot that blood out. In fact, veins are under very low pressure because they're just sort of returning the blood back to the heart. So it's sort of a passive movement of blood in the venous system. But arterial blood is under high pressure. Haven't I told you, you need to do an audio book, just talk about cases and explain it because that is incredibly interesting. Just in the way you explain it makes so much sense. I mean, Charlie Langston, now let's take what Dr. Todd M. Barr has said and apply it to this situation.

And he goes right back to that picture of her and her one breast hanging out on the balcony. And she's totally it's so bloody. It looks like a Halloweenlloween costume it does it's that is gory and graphic okay now we're back back to the actual crime um we were talking about oh i was playing for you audio well okay they're not over yet take a listen to this i didn't go to talk to aro i was going on a bike ride. What the fuck? I thought I was going to talk to her. Is this going to make you act like this?

Talk to her without telling me. Courtney, I was on a bike ride and she passed me and I said, hi, you and Courtney are having a live chat. My bad. I forgot to tell you that that doesn't make you to act and call me. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. I want you to get and call me. Yes, thank you. Coming from. Thank you. I want you to get away from me. Get away from me. when i'm gonna go home ma'am listen to me you need to stop screaming on the line and give me the address i'm 101. i can't see my arm 3101 i can't feel my arm. Ma'am. My boyfriend is dying of a staph. Ma'am, what is the address? What's that?

What's the address, baby? 3131. 3131, North East 7th Avenue. Please, God, please, come see my husband. You're hearing at the beginning more screaming, and you also hear her Courtney Clinton slapping him Christian open Sally and the whole thing is on audio which begs the question why was he videoing or taping the argument and then you hear the star of the whole trial her 911 call screaming again and the dispatch says, you got to stop

screaming and tell me your address. And you can hear probably some of the last words ever spoken by Christian, and he is saying, I'm dying. I can't feel my arm. I'm going to die. I want to ask you, Charlie Langston, we endured together the Johnny Depp Amber Heard trial and people kept saying, why would she, was she starting an argument with him and then videoing him or videoing him drunk or videoing him drunk and passed out with ice cream melting in his lap? Why? I mean, if my husband was in a bad way and he was like passed out with ice cream or food all over him, I wouldn't video it. So in this case, however, why is he, Christian Obenselli,

audiotaping the argument where she's physically attacking him because some woman rode by him on a bike and said hi. To me, the fact that he was recording her is evidence that their relationship had been abusive for a very long time. There's also other evidence to back that up. You've got neighbors talking about smashing things. She had been arrested previously for domestic violence. And I think he knew that the face that she was showing to the world was a very different face than the one that he saw behind the scenes. And he knew that in order to protect himself, he needed to make these recordings so that he would have evidence if he ever got into a situation where she tried to flip the script and say that he had been abusive. And the devastating thing is these recordings will now serve as evidence, but not to protect him. They will serve as evidence in a murder trial.

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. crime stories with nancy grace welcome back everybody an only fans model now charged with murder in the brutal stabbing death of her boyfriend the so-called model also told investigators the boyfriend pushed her and threw her to the floor. Then grabbed a knife and threw it at the victim from about 10 feet away. But the medical examiner says, uh-uh, no way. The ME that performed the autopsy says the victim's wounds could not have been caused by a knife thrown from that distance. The body of victim Christian Ambuselli, taken from the Miami apartment directly to the medical examiner's office, released 911 audio following the brutal stabbingbing reveals the suspect telling her lover, baby, I'm so sorry. This is right after she plunges the knife into his body.

Now, she didn't tell 911 she stabbed the boyfriend, but she sobbed and sobbed to him about how, quote, sorry she was. In the background, you can actually hear 27-year-old Christian crying, I can't feel my arm. I don't know how the jury's going to stand seeing and hearing this. That day turns deadly. It tells me he was abused so often, he finally started recording it. Nancy, these people were addicted to each other. She was really inappropriate, and she was very jealous. Anytime he looked at someone, she probably would have a fit, a bad one. You know, I don't get that.

You know, when my husband go jogging for a walk and a woman goes by and he glances over and I'm like, good, I'm glad to see you're still alive, David. Keep going. Your blood's still pumping through your veins. I wouldn't think of yelling and beating him because he spoke to some lady. It just is so twisted up.

But to you, Brad Micklin, high-profile lawyer at the Micklin Law Group, this is exactly what leads up. Something as stupid as saying hi to a woman going by on a bike to murder. It's it's insane. It is insane. And we keep having this conversation about him being addicted to her or the relationship being abusive. No, she was abusive. She stabbed him. And I think Christian was recorded because he knew or feared that she would call the police

one day, say he was committing domestic violence, and he would be arrested for it. And him being bigger and stronger would have no defense. So he started to record it to defend himself, which unfortunately he can't do any longer. And I hope that they're used in a criminal trial to show just how violent she was. Okay, guys, her claim that she's the victim, well, this is not going to help. This is body cam footage, and you know what that means.

That means the cops have arrived. This was a previous event. Listen. I just want to get to your point. Yes. Yes, okay. have arrived this was a previous event listen yes yes okay unfortunately he can't be here the property that is totally fine okay It's everybody talking on top of each other, but we hear her and this is to a cop i do not advise speaking down to or being belligerent to a cop no what's happening there charlie langston so this was recorded the day before obamsele was stabbed and the cops were called to her apartment building she claimed that she had thrown obamsele out of their apartment the week before that they had broken up.

And she accused him of stalking her. And she demanded that the cops give her a restraining order. The interesting thing is you can hear her in one recording telling the cops, I need a restraining order before he gets one, which suggests to me that she knew that he had a full claim to accuse her of the same kind of abuse that she was attempting to accuse him of. Oh, there you go. Dueling restraining orders. But the thing here is she's claiming he's stalking her. Other reports are he was trying to just get back in the apartment where they both lived. Well, there's more. You know, this should be a sign to her defense attorney. Don't let her on the stand. Take a listen to this. More body cam footage.

I stayed in my apartment all day. I didn't take my dogs out for like eight hours because I was afraid that when I came down here, I was going to beat him. When I did come down, I walked my dogs and he was telling me he wouldn't let me go. He just wanted my going to be down. So when I did come down, I walked my dog. And he was telling me he wouldn't leave me alone. I said, please just walk my dog. He's going to be there. We're not together. Courtney, does he have any property in your apartment? He has so much.

Can I, with respect, can I please? I just feel like I'm not being heard. Okay. Go ahead, go ahead. So I had a lot of opportunities to call y'all. And I did not. So when he's following me around his house park, I said, there is no, your time is up. Like, that's it.

And then all of a sudden, my dad keeps calling me in the elevator. And I said, don't follow me. This guy said he had a lot of shelter. When I was upstairs and they showed me where they were, I said, I showed you. I said, show me the bathroom. I really got angry because I did not help him. I only did mistake my box. Okay, so basically she's saying, I was afraid. I wanted to take my dogs out, but I couldn't. But it sounds like she actually did. And that he got on the elevator.

And her complaint is, he, quote, smells like a homeless shelter. Okay, so she stabbed him. There's more. Listen, this is what Charlie Langston was telling us. She wants to get a restraining order against him before he can do it to her. Listen. I feel like I am being attacked. All right, so what do you want to say?

I just, I want to be like, I don't want to be like exonerated, I guess, of like anything wrong. And I want him, okay, let me start here. I want a restraining order against Christian Renzelli. Why don't I issue those? No, I'm serious. To the courts. Can I do that? Every little court.

Okay, but how can I make myself first? Because I know him, and he would do it. How can I make myself first? You've got to and he would do it. How can I make myself first? You've got to get there first. Before 75, you want the worst person. Before 75, you want the worst person. Is he already on the way? We have no idea.

We don't even know how it looks like. We don't even know who it is. How do we know that? Oh, my goodness. Okay, Charlie Langston, more of the same. But here we hear her stating that she wants to get him before he gets her. Yeah. What more do you believe is revealed in these tapes? I mean, I think there are so many different recordings that focus on her abusive, erratic behavior.

And it just proves that the dynamic in the relationship was largely, from what we hear, her berating and abusing him. As we heard earlier, friends of the couple stated very clearly that they saw Clenny hit Obamsele. They never saw the violence being returned. from inside the elevator of their apartment building months before Obamsele was stabbed that showed Klenny beating him, pulling his hair, and all he does is cower away and attempt to defend himself. To Dan Corsentino joining us, former police chief, sheriff, U.S. Homeland Security advisor, private investigator at DanCorsentino.com elevator video. It really came to the forefront in the Rice case where you see him and this is a professional football player dragging the victim, a female victim, by her hair out of the elevator. And then of course there was the famous, or should I say infamous Beyonce

video where you see her sister lie into Beyonce's husband, Jay-Z, like there's no tomorrow. And I guarantee you going out on a limb here, he deserved it because she just stood there like, while her sister was beating him up. Elevator footage, nobody can suppress it. It's in a public place. So it's fair game. And the elevator footage in this case is damning for her. Absolutely. In this case, she is demonstrative. She's aggressive. She is violent and she's attacking. And what we see, let's compare the size of the two. She appears to be about five foot two. He appears to be at least five, 10, maybe a little bit taller, somewhat buff, but very good shape. And he was on the defensive in this case. An elevator video is very clear that she is a violent offender that attacked him and he was trying to protect himself from everything she was attempting to do. Strike him in the head, strike him in the chest,

strike him in the arm. Very, very definitive. Dr. Charles Heller joining us, a clinical forensic psychologist. Why is it so hard for people to believe that a man can be the victim of domestic violence? Well, it goes against the stereotypes, basically. But he could not leave her, even though she was violent with him, jealous, making up imaginary things about him. And that's codependency. That's dual addiction. And what happens is basically it's so strong. The bond is so strong. And in metaphor, metaphoric terms, the pegs in his head matched exactly the holes in her head. They were bonded so tightly together that they couldn't extricate themselves. He couldn't leave her, and she couldn't leave him.

You know, the officers really hit the nail on the head. Take a listen to our friends at WPLG, our Cut 34. Also informing her that she's not being clear on what she wants. You want this person to completely disappear from your life. At the same time, you have him in your apartment here for two months with a ton of stuff in here. But no, I know. Clanny goes back to her apartment. Officers then go to the employee who made the original call,

telling him she never disclosed that there was violence that particular night. When she came down, he went charging at her. That's fine. That's my whole thing. Right. But she didn't mention none of that until she says she wants to do something about it so we can get, so we can, so we, that's where we step in where it's a criminal activity, but she needs to mention something about that. Okay. Unfortunately, we can't do anything. So she calls cops over there, but then doesn't do, doesn't go forward with any type of action. Brad Micklin with me, a high-profile lawyer out of New Jersey. Brad, where do you believe this whole thing will end?

And you apparently firmly believe men can be the victims of domestic violence. Men are the victims of domestic violence. Men are the victims of domestic violence. Just like Dr. Heller said, they are stereotypically afraid to call and report it. I mean, can you imagine if Christian had picked up the phone and said, my little girlfriend, Courtney, is beating me up. I need a restraining order. He would have been laughed at. But this case, from a criminal standpoint,

really hinges on whether or not these audios and the video of the elevator get in or not, because they are so prejudicial that there is some chance that they rule that they can't be used against her. And that, I think, is going to turn this case. He's tuning up, and I expect to hear the full symphony at trial. Charlie Langston, DailyMail.com, what's next? Well, now we wait for her to go on trial. She's currently in custody, waiting the start of her trial. And it will be very interesting to see whether or not she is put on the stand, because if her behavior that we've heard in these recordings is anything to go by, she's not going to be a solid or reliable witness. She's proven herself to be incredibly erratic, as you

said, Nancy, belligerent towards authority figures. And I don't know whether what she's potentially going to say on the stand will help her. And happier times. The two look so full of joy. But prosecutors say Christian's death was the culmination of a tempestuous and combative relationship. And from what we're learning, it's largely due to her. Now, Clinton was arrested in Hawaii back in August and is awaiting trial. She pled not guilty to a new charge of interception of wire communications related to the murder. This new charge stems from a bombshell revelation that her parents, Kim and Deborah Klenny, were arrested in connection with the murder.

Kim Klenny, accused of taking the boyfriend crypto trader's computer from the murder scene in Miami after it was missed by investigators. He then allegedly accessed it with a password supplied by his daughter. And according to arrest warrants, detectives recovered text messages where the parents discuss trying to get access to Christian's computer. Now, the dad reportedly handed the computer over to the defense team after finding nothing on it but a crypto exchange. That's according to TMZ. But he was arrested along with his wife for evidence tampering. The OnlyFans model, Courtney Clinney, has a long history of domestic battery

back in Vegas. And police were called to the couple's home in Austin, Texas, on several occasions as well. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.