Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Precious 5-Year-Old Boy Vanishes From Field Near Family Home

Episode Date: August 11, 2021

Residents of a small rural Idaho town of turn out in force to join authorities searching for a 5-year-old boy reported missing on July 27th. He was last seen in a field near his family home. Searchers... are leaving no stone unturned, including a nearby septic tank. Joining Nancy Grace Today: James Shelnutt - 27 years Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective, Swat officer Lawyer www.ShelnuttLawFirm.com Dr. Angela Arnold - Psychiatrist, Atlanta GA www.angelaarnoldmd.com, Expert in the Treatment of Pregnant/Postpartum Women Karen L. Smith - Forensic Expert, Lecturer at the University of Florida, Host of Shattered Souls Podcast, @KarensForensic, barebonesforensic.com Eric Grossarth - Reporter, East Idaho News dot com, Instagram/Twitter: @EricGrossarth Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. How does a five-year-old boy go missing from in the middle of a field in Fruitland, Idaho? First of all, what is a five-year-old boy doing alone out in the middle of a field, but then go missing? Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. First of all, take a listen to this. Fruitland police are searching for a missing and endangered five-year-old. The boy, Michael Vaughn, was last seen in the area of Southwest 9th and Arizona in Fruitland late Tuesday.
Starting point is 00:00:57 He was wearing a light blue Minecraft shirt and dark blue boxer briefs with sandals. Anyone with information should call 911, the Payette County Sheriff's Office, or Fruitland Police. So far, officers have scoured through 3,000 acres of farmland, drained irrigation ditches, searched through garbage cans, and a septic tank. I've got a lot of questions. Let's introduce an all-star panel to break it down and put it back together again. First of all, joining me, 27 years, Metro major case, including SWAT, now lawyer, James Shelnut at ShelnutLawFirm.com, Dr. Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, Karen L. Smith, forensic expert, lecturer, University of Florida,
Starting point is 00:01:43 and host of a hit series, Shattered Souls podcast. Eric Grosserth now joining us from the area with the EastIdahoNews.com, and you can find him on Instagram, Twitter, at Eric Grosserth. Eric, I don't understand how this little five-year-old boy just goes missing. Who was supposed to be watching him? You know, that's something that investigators haven't necessarily told us yet. We do know that he was in his neighborhood.
Starting point is 00:02:10 It is a neighborhood in a small, small community, but those streets end up right there on farm fields. So you got acres and acres of farm fields, and then the interstate right from there, and then the Snake River. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. That was a lot of information, Eric Grozar. Eric Grozar is joining me from eastidahonews.com. Let me take that one line at a time because I'm hearing open field.
Starting point is 00:02:38 Then I heard you say all the streets converge at this location, a very small community, but you're leading me to believe it is a residential community like a suburban community and near an interstate and near the Snake River. All of that means potential locations for this five-year-old little boy. We're talking about Michael Vaughn. What happened, Derek? Let's just start at the beginning. Yeah, so Michael was last seen around his house around 6 30 p.m. that day, and at some point his family or whoever. Eric, do you have children? Eric, just curious. I do. Okay, so then you know 6 30 for children this young, it's getting about suppertime if they haven't already, you know, they like to eat at 430 or five o'clock in the afternoon.
Starting point is 00:03:32 So at this point, I would assume the parents are home from work. I'm just speculating here. I don't know this. You got to help me. And the child is there at 630. Then what in the hay is he doing out in a field after that? And, you know, that's the million dollar question there associated with this case. Somebody just said that they saw him walking along that street.
Starting point is 00:03:56 And in the close, that Minecraft, he showed what they saw and he vanished. A lot of these details haven't been released yet just because there is a lot of unknowns. But he did at some point walk, wander away from the house and we all know with kids how easy it is they can walk long distance
Starting point is 00:04:17 very quickly. No, actually I don't. I don't. I know that other people say that but I can tell you this. If the twins at age 5 were at home at 630, I don't. I don't. I know that other people say that, but I can tell you this. If the twins at age five were at home at 630, I don't know how they would have gotten out of the house and wander away without anybody noticing anything. I will tell you this, Eric Grossarth, on our back door, we had, of course, the door handle. You could lock it.
Starting point is 00:04:47 And then we put a side bar. Well, listen to this, Eric. There were some steps going upstairs right beside that back door. I mean, we could stand on the step and open the door, the doorknob. It's right there together. John David Lynch and Lucy Lynch, by the time they were 18 months, two years old, could go up two steps and reach up and change a side slide bar. So we had to put something even higher up so they couldn't reach it, like little monkeys.
Starting point is 00:05:25 So I'm not saying he can't get out because they could do that at two years old. And this Michael is five. But how has he gone that long and nobody noticed, Eric? And why aren't police telling us what happened? You know, this is one of those that they're still trying to piece together everything that happened. There's a lot of information, including the search. There is several investigators that have been called in to talk to people. There's been witness after witness, hundreds of them that have been coming in with different tips. And they need to come in and talk with all of these people, search these homes, talk to different investigators. So there's a lot. They have said that Michael's parents have been cooperative with investigators,
Starting point is 00:06:11 but they still have a lot to talk about. And there's still a lot of unknowns in a case like this, especially where you still have this person missing. Michael's one of the few people that would probably know exactly what happened at that moment when he walked away that would tell them what happened. Yeah. I mean, I know the child knows what happens if the child is still alive. You were earlier hearing our friends at Idaho News 6. Now take a listen to our cut to this is Kristen Skereva, Idaho News.
Starting point is 00:06:44 The search for a missing Treasure Valley boy escalates as it goes into a second day. Police officers in Fruitland need the community's help in locating that little boy. Five-year-old Michael Joseph Vaughn is considered endangered and was last seen at his home near Southwest 9th and Arizona in Fruitland. It was around 6.30 Tuesday evening and search efforts have began immediately to find him with teams walking through nearby neighborhoods, searching by air with drones and even a helicopter. The Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue Team brought their search dog to help with the efforts. Vaughn is about three and a half feet tall. He has blonde hair and blue eyes. He also goes by the nickname Monkey. I'm just thinking about that.
Starting point is 00:07:25 Just three and a half feet tall. He's a little bitty thing. Goes by the nickname Monkey. I'm looking at him right now. Big, beautiful smile. He's very, very tiny, allegedly goes missing from a field near his home. Now, I'm looking at the field right now, and I noticed that people going through the field are with the FBI. Now, I'm very curious as to why the Idaho State Police has called in the FBI to help find Michael. But something about this story is not hanging together for me. Now, tell me about the area. That's one of my problems here at Gross Earth. Joining me from eastidahonews.com. You're saying it is a residential community. I'm looking at the
Starting point is 00:08:21 field that I think this is the one where he was last seen. I don't see anything in the distance. I see what I think to be a structure with a few outhouses around it. But it looks like a farming structure. So is this a residential neighborhood or what? Yeah, so this is kind of common out here in Idaho. You'll have these small communities with maybe 5,000, 6,000 people, and there'll be a residential community. And then it's surrounded by farm fields.
Starting point is 00:08:53 I'm in a larger town. My parents' house is here, but their backyard is farm fields, and it goes on for miles and miles. So there are these residential communities and these farm fields. But something else to point out that this is only about an hour from Idaho's largest city of Boise. You hop on Interstate 84 there in between Idaho and Oregon. So you're near larger communities, but there's still lots of these farm fields. And when we talk farm fields, that's another thing that investigators have been searching is canals. They've got to bring the water into these fields. So there are lots of canals and different waterways throughout all of this, the maze of little waterways and fields in these small communities in Idaho.
Starting point is 00:09:37 So, yes, there is that residential aspect, but it's right next to the western farming communities. Okay, now I'm starting to get an idea of what you're talking about. It's very similar to where I grew up. As some people say, out in the middle of nowhere in middle Georgia, there were maybe four to ten houses around our home. But then if you go behind the homes, there would be woods, very heavily wooded, and then it gives way to farmland
Starting point is 00:10:11 as far as the eye could see. So yes, there are homes around his home, Michael's home, but beyond that, it's all farmland. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We are talking about the disappearance of a five-year-old little boy. His name, Michael Vaughn. Take a listen now to our friend at the Fruitland Police Department.
Starting point is 00:10:54 This is Chief J.D. Huff. Listen. Today, the Fruitland Police Department, in conjunction with the state police, multiple Treasure Valley law enforcement agencies, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, we continue to search for missing and endangered five-year-old Michael Joseph Vaughn, MJ, to his family and friends. Michael was last seen near his residence on Southwest 9th Street in Fruitland at approximately 6.30 p.m. on July 27, 2021. Operations to date include the methodical search of the area near Michael's residence,
Starting point is 00:11:36 which included two irrigation runoff ditches, which were drained by the Fruitland Public Works Department in an extensive search and rescue effort, including the use of canines, aerial, and marine and land support. Idaho Fish and Game officers are continuing to search the river by boat for four to five miles down river and back up and in the sloughs of the Snake River as well. Joining me in All-Star panel, let's go straight out to James Shelnut, 27 years Metro Major case including SWAT, now lawyer at Shelnutnotlawfirm.com. James, why
Starting point is 00:12:06 typically would the FBI be called in on a case like this? Well, so the FBI has a policy, Nancy, that says that if a child is of tender years, then the FBI will get involved in the investigation of a missing child. And tender years to the FBI means a child that's under 12 years old. So if a child is under 12, all that has to be done is a call place to the local FBI office, and they will send FBI agents to come out there. Typically, the FBI does not get involved in adult cases unless there's some indication that there's some type of interstate crime going on. But with a child that young, the FBI's policy is to get involved and provide assistance
Starting point is 00:12:45 anytime it's requested. Let me understand something else. Eric Grossar joining us from EastIdahoNews.com. Michael was last seen wearing a light blue Minecraft shirt, dark blue boxer briefs, and size 11 blue flip-flops, child 11. Does that mean he had on his underwear? That's what they're saying, is that he had his T-shirt and then his boxer brief underwear and then his shoes. So he was running around that day in his underwear. And it's my understanding that he has two siblings. And I'm curious about their ages. For those of you just joining us, the tip line is 208-642-6006. That's the Fruitland Police repeat, 208-642-6006. Joining me, forensic expert
Starting point is 00:13:38 Karen L. Smith. So he's home at 630. How did he get out? And who saw him in the field? Good question. You know, he's fine. He's little. You said that your kids were able to unslide the lock when they were two. So I don't know about if he was out there and nobody knew. The reporter mentioned somebody seeing him on the street. Do we have any more information about that?
Starting point is 00:14:08 Who was the last person to see this child? Which direction was he going? You know, was he running? Was he playing? Was he walking? Was he lost? Did he lose track of which house was his? These are all questions that should have been asked and answered already, Nancy. The frantic
Starting point is 00:14:25 search goes on for a five-year-old little boy who goes missing, seemingly right under his parents' nose. Who is this little missing boy, Michael Vaughn? Again, if you could describe for me, Eric Grossarth, what he was wearing. Yeah, so Michael was last seen wearing this blue Minecraft t-shirt. It's been plastered all over the missing persons report there. He also was wearing, I guess, a black boxer briefs with a lime green stitching and then size 11 flip flops. So he was in his t-shirt, in his boxer briefs and flip flopsflops lasting on his street running around the neighborhood. And that neighborhood, again, is surrounded by fields and canals and all of that farm community that we talked about a minute ago. You know, part of it, to Dr. Angela Arnold,
Starting point is 00:15:19 our renowned psychiatrist joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, is that much like where I grew up, there's a very, very low crime rate. And people think they can let their children go play outside without watching them because nothing has ever happened in the neighborhood before. So under those circumstances, the parents probably thought there was no problem letting him go outside. I'll tell you the burning question that I'm having inside. Is this a typical behavior? Like, do the kids typically run around outside at night after dinner? And as you also pointed out, Nancy, where were his siblings?
Starting point is 00:16:02 Like, if everybody runs around outside at night, that's one thing, isn't it? But why was this the only kid and are his siblings older or younger than him? But why was he the only one that was outside playing at this time of night? Now, I understand, Eric Grosshart, that the parents, I want to follow up on what Dr. Angela Arnold just said, the parents saw him in the home at 6.30. And you still can't tell me who saw him out in the field? What I can tell you is that the investigators are keeping that close to them during this investigation. They've been talking to a lot of the neighbors, going from home to home, looking through surveillance video. But he was seen last seen near his house at 6.30 p.m. on July 27th. So they were searching shortly after that time that he disappeared. The first alert for the neighborhood,
Starting point is 00:16:55 like a reverse 911 call, was around 8.20 p.m. So a couple hours later, and investigators were searching through that neighborhood. So it wasn't like he was missing for days when he was reported missing. It was just moments after he was last seen in that neighborhood that investigators were called out and they began their extensive search. You know what? The search has been extensive, but we've still got a big gaping hole in the timeline because i don't know who saw him out in that field i know that the missing endangered child alert goes out at 8 20 p.m but who saw him last at 6 30 was that in the home or was that out in the field how far away is the field from his home, Eric? So what we do know, all investigators have said again, is that a person, we don't know who that person is, but they said that somebody saw him near his home on this Southwest 9th Street, which dead ends into a farm field at 630. So
Starting point is 00:17:59 investigators haven't released to us who last saw him, but somebody saw him on the street, which again goes towards a field. Guys, take a listen to more from the Fruitland Police Chief, J.D. Huff. We also want to emphasize that Michael's family continues to be 100% cooperative with our investigation. And we're asking you to be extremely respectful of their privacy during this situation, and we would appreciate that. Super difficult time, as you would know. So Michael's last seen wearing a light blue Minecraft t-shirt over here on my left, dark blue blocks or briefs, child size 11 sandal, and he stands three foot seven inches tall. He's 50 pounds. He's got blonde hair, blue eyes, and he answers to foot seven inches tall. He's 50 pounds. He's got blonde hair, blue eyes,
Starting point is 00:18:48 and he answers to the nickname Monkey. The Fruitland Police Department will continue to organize search and rescue operations with resources provided by the Idaho Mountain Search and Rescue Team, the Fruitland Fire Department, and the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and Others. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
Starting point is 00:19:29 The exhaustive search for a five-year-old little boy goes on. Police have already looked through nearly 200 garbage cans, drained canals and irrigation ditches, and even pumped a septic tank in the area. That's interesting to me. James Shelnut, why would they pick out that particular septic tank? You know, there's some indication that the child may be in there. There's some indication that it is a possible dumping site for this child. And it's also a possible indication that the child could have fell in there. I think there's several reasons that they could be doing that. I need to explain, you to explain,
Starting point is 00:19:57 because a lot of people listening and watching right now at James Shelnut, they don't know how you just fall into a septic tank. So I'll let you explain that. Well, I will tell you this. Kids can, it depends on the type of septic tank too. Is this a type of septic tank that has an access on top of it? How large is the access? Or is this one of those that you would have to move the lid okay i think that's that's what we need to know also underground septic tanks absolutely i'll have an answer for you there nancy oh great jump in so nancy this septic tank that they focused in on somebody had so there are was this makeshift wooden lid that was about two feet by six feet wide so
Starting point is 00:20:42 that's an area that he could have easily fallen in there. It was just a wooden lid. All he would have had to have done is push it up a little bit, and he could have fallen in that tank. That sheds a lot of light because, you know, the normal septic tank that we see nowadays around most houses has got a small access hole in case it needs pumping. And to the extent it doesn't, it has a large concrete lid that a child couldn't have moved in. That does explain a lot, and it tells me that the police at least put some credibility into the fact that the child may have left on his own.
Starting point is 00:21:15 Agree. Agree. Because if they thought that the family was involved or the child had been kidnapped, they wouldn't be looking in a septic tank. I don't think to explore whether he could have fallen in there by accident or while playing. To you, Eric Grossarth, is a septic tank underground or do you have to climb up on top of it? From what I understand, this is one of those that's set in the ground and of course they have those access points there that they can pull off when they do need to pump them and provide maintenance on these septic tanks.
Starting point is 00:21:49 So from what I understand, they could have been a few as plain and happened to fall in. And that seems to be a large section of their searches, these canals and these other areas. They were asking people to look at one point for areas where Michael could have hidden in their house, check their cars, check little crawl spaces, things like that. So early on in the investigation, they've been looking at, hey, this kid could have wandered off and been trapped somewhere that he was just exploring. He was inquisitive. And that's something that happens quite frequently with five-year-old kids. Take a listen to our friends at KTVB News Channel 7. From the air and on the ground, crews from multiple agencies went door to door,
Starting point is 00:22:34 talking to neighbors, searching yards and nearby fields, all in hopes of finding five-year-old Michael Joseph Vaughn. Neighbors say they learned about the five-year-old's disappearance around 7 30 on Tuesday night. They say Michael was a happy kid who lived in this neighborhood with his parents and grandfather. Cynthia Walker lives in the neighborhood and was walking her dog as the search was happening. At five years old I don't know that he would wander too far without one of us seeing him by now. There are volunteers, many, many volunteers out searching, scanning the fields. And we just want to have Michael back. We want him home safe.
Starting point is 00:23:20 You know, I'm curious about something you said, Eric Grosser, joining us from EastIdahoNews.com, about the interstate. How close to his location where he's last seen is the interstate? Oh, you know, I'd say the closest distance is three to five farm fields away. You run into the interstate there. Can you see this location from the interstate? You know, it's kind of hard to see exactly like the two areas right there. It's very flat, Eric. It's very flat land. I'm looking right at it. That field is flat as a pancake. And the reason I'm asking, I don't know who on the panel remembers Shasta and Dylan Groney.
Starting point is 00:24:06 They were playing in an above ground pool in Coeur d'Alene. And if you fly over that and look down, you see nothing but green, nothing but farmland and green forest. That's it. And this freak was driving along the interstate, looks over and. He goes in, he massacres the whole family to get Dylan, the little brother, at Shasta Groney and keeps them for weeks and weeks and weeks. I think I covered it nearly every night trying to find them, torturing them, molesting them. He would molest the little boy over and over and over and he would strangle the little boy until he would pass out and then come back and wake back up over and over and over. He ended up killing the little boy. Ultimately, Shasta was with her kidnapper, and they were walking around inside like a 7-Eleven, like a quick trip. And the woman there, the clerk, had seen Shasta on one of the programs and called in a tip and saved her life.
Starting point is 00:25:44 That was in the middle of nowhere. No crime, zero crime rate. But this guy driving along the interstate happened to look over and in the distance sees the little girl. And then the whole thing unfolded. That's my curiosity. You said this is one hour from Boise. Is that correct, Eric? Yeah. So this is about an hour is one hour from Boise. Is that correct, Eric? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:05 So this is about an hour and 20 minutes from Boise. And he talked about could somebody have seen Michael wandering away from that house on that field. So Michael's house sits on a field, but there's a little bit of an embankment down towards the end of that neighborhood where the road's up there. So it's not the clearest shot from the interstate to Michael's street there. So it's not the clearest shot from the interstate to Michael Street there. But again, it's always that possibility. Did he wander a good distance through these several farm fields to the interstate? I don't know. But again, you're about an hour from Boise, which is a large populated area. There is a crime over there in Boise, not more than Fruitland. But again, it's hard to see from that interstate. Do we know if there were crops coming up in that field at the time?
Starting point is 00:26:50 And so what type of crops they are? I mean, this is prime planting time. Just so you know, Shell Nut, the field I'm looking at where everybody's searching, it's ankle. The growth is at your ankle, ankle height. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about an unsolved case. the little boy is missing right now tip line 208-642-6006 his name michael vaughn mother brandy and father tyler desperate to get their quote monkey back that's his nickname i want you to take a listen to Our Cut 16. This is Kim Fields at KTVB News Channel 7.
Starting point is 00:27:48 It has been almost a week since a five-year-old boy disappeared in Fruitland. And today, the Fruitland Police Department is asking residents to check security footage and search their property as they and multiple other state and federal agencies search for Michael Vaughn. Michael, who also goes by the nickname Monkey, was last seen six days ago on Tuesday evening in Fruitland. He is three feet, seven inches, weighs about 50 pounds. He was last seen wearing a blue shirt and boxer briefs. Fruitland police say that they have combed through the entire city and even surrounding areas, also enlisted the public's help to do so. And now
Starting point is 00:28:25 they're asking Fruitland residents to search their property and only their property as other agencies comb through the area. They also say to again review any security footage if you have it, maybe even your doorbell cameras. Check that because you never know. And they're asking anybody to report credible information to the Payette County Sheriff's Office. Speaking of ring doorbell cameras and other types of home security videos, I understand, Eric, about 60 videos from residents and businesses have been collected and officers are coming through the footage as we speak right now. Yeah, they're going through all of this footage. They're piecing together. When you have neighborhoods with green video camera one after another, you can follow a person along until those cameras stop.
Starting point is 00:29:10 So, again, they're piecing all of those together, trying to see who was in the area at the time. Where was Michael going? All of that can be put together from these cameras that could have picked up something. But, again, they are not releasing everything that they found, of course, just hoping that they won't hurt. Well, you know what? Dr. Angela Arnold, a psychiatrist, joining us. This is a real call to arms for citizens, for people.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Because let me just remind you, for instance, just out of the blue, Molly Tibbetts' case was really cracked by home surveillance video that saw Molly jogging by. This home was not connected to her in any way. And then you see the perp going by in his car, reversing, going back and forth. And due to the distinct markings on the perp's vehicle, they end up finding the vehicle and thereby finding the perp and thereby finding Molly Tibbetts' body. So this is a time for everybody out there that thinks they cannot make a difference. You can make a difference. You can make a difference. Jump in, Angie. With anything that they see, Nancy, and you know what bothers me a lot also is these criminals, if this was the act of a criminal, know that everyone has some sort of device now to record people that go by.
Starting point is 00:30:33 So how emboldened do you have to be to take a child if you know, or did somebody lure the child away? But I hope, like you said, Nancy, that people get on their ring doorbells and look at that tape. And like you said, turn it over. See if there's absolutely anything on there that can help. Because this little boy has been gone for a long time, hasn't he? And you know another thing, I'm curious. I just do not believe it was, I don't have any fact to base this on right now, but I don't think it was one of the parents that saw the little boy out in the field. Because if they had seen, the parents had been totally cooperative with police.
Starting point is 00:31:15 They're doing whatever's required of them. I believe if they saw the little boy out in the field, they would have told him to come home. So I think someone was driving by or walking by and saw him and didn't think anything about it. How many times have you seen a situation and the thought goes through your mind, that's not right. And you do nothing. You do nothing. Guys, we're getting a lot of texts and emails about what is being done to find Michael. I want you to take a listen to our cut 18. This is our now friend, Chief J.D. Huff.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Listen. You know, five-year-olds can get into almost anything. So we've looked through nearly 200 garbage cans, drained canals and irrigation ditches, and pumped a septic tank in the area that had a makeshift 2x6 wooden plank lid. We've gathered 60 different videos from residential and business security cameras and we're combing through that data as we speak. To date we've received 163 tips. All have been assigned to investigators for follow-up and many have already been cleared others are being worked on as we speak we've
Starting point is 00:32:29 conservatively estimated the number of man-hours from law enforcement agencies to be in the hour or to be in the range of 2,500 man-hours and that doesn't include our EMS search and rescue partners or the hours put in by the volunteers from our community. I got to tell you, I've never seen a presence like this. And on behalf of Michael's family and the citizens of the city of Fruitland, I sincerely extend our thanks to the chiefs and sheriffs who have came to our aid, providing manpower and resources over the last week and certainly in the weeks to come. That's not all. Take a listen to our cut 20 and the last week and certainly in the weeks to come. That's not all. Take a listen to our cut 20 and the last hours. This is what the chief has to say. Drone flights will continue along with riverbank
Starting point is 00:33:13 searches by boat. This morning, the search continued in the area below Southwest 8th Street where some heavy foliage was removed and a specialized canine was deployed. In the near future, we have a dive team scheduled to search pond in the sloughs down in the area of Southwest 8th. And our search effort and rescue efforts will continue as long as we have those resources available to continue that. You know, it means a lot to me. Let me go out to you, Karen Smith, as that the parents are so cooperative. Of course, you first look in the home, and that's to be expected. You look at the parents and the siblings as suspects, the grandfather,
Starting point is 00:33:52 anybody that's in and out of that home, because statistically speaking, that is where your perk will lie. But I'm always reminiscent, I always think of Mark Klass, who's the poster parent for this. When his daughter, Polly, went missing from a sleepover at her own home, he tells the cops, here, take my DNA, my fingerprints, my hair, whatever, search my place, search my car, search my business, do whatever you have to do. I don't care. So you can get past me and look for her kidnapper. And they did. These parents, from all I understand, are being completely cooperative. Yeah. And that is so important.
Starting point is 00:34:38 You know, when you have a home where a child lives or a sibling, you go inside, you look at the home, you kind of take in all of the information. Are there toys? Is it fairly clean? You know, is there food in the fridge? All of the things that we look for as far as making sure it's not an abusive situation. It doesn't sound like that at all. These people are helping. They are desperate and God bless them. I really hope they find Michael safe. But here's the thing, Nancy, they are expanding this search out and further out and further out. You have Route 30 to the east of their home. You have Interstate 84 to the west. You have the Snake River, which is right there at
Starting point is 00:35:20 I-84, and that borders Oregon. So, you know, and I hate to say this, but the first place my mind went when I heard this little boy was missing under really strange circumstances like that was where are all the sexual predators and sexual offenders in this area? Because every single one of them needs to be investigated within a 30 to 40 mile radius of this home. Well, Karen Smith, you're right. You're right. And there's nothing wrong with your mind or what you're thinking. That is SOP to look at known or registered sex offenders or people that have even had arrests in the area. And you nab them first and question them and search their homes. And I'm assuming that has been done. Guys, I want
Starting point is 00:36:05 you to take a listen to our cut 22 from News Channel 7KTVB. Well, bring Michael home. Those are the words plastered on flyers, signs and social media posts around the Treasure Valley. Five-year-old Michael Vaughn has been missing for 10 days. Search efforts around the city of Fruitland and nearby have not slowed down and people around the area say they won't slow down until they know where he is. This little boy now missing for days and days. The tip line 208-642-6006. Take a look at Michael Vaughn. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend.
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