Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - SAVANNAH GUTHRIE MOM MISSING: DAY 13

Episode Date: February 13, 2026

Day 13, in the search for Nancy Guthrie, we have seen an increased reward and a turf war exposed between Pima County investigators and the FBI.  Sheriff Chris Nanos says he has not be blocking FBI access to evidence, even though we learn that the sheriff's office sent evidence, gloves found inside Guthrie's home to a Florida lab, not the FBI lab. Nanos says it's not even know if the gloves where connected to Guthrie's disappearance.  New video posted to social media of a man ringing the door cam of a homeowner 6.5 miles from Gutherie's home at 5am.  The homeowner did not know the man. The FBI is not saying the man is involved, but is looking at all tips submitted.    Joining Nancy Grace today: Brian Fitzgibbons - Director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, Leads a team of investigators specializing in locating missing persons, website: www.uspasecurity.com, Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security, former Marine and Iraq war veteran Tami Ballard - DNA and Crime Scene Consultant, Crime Scene Investigation and Reconstruction, Law Enforcement Liaison at Othram, Inc., Former DNA Criminalist in the San Diego Police Dept. Crime Laboratory Scott Eicher  - Digital Forensics Expert, Founding Member of the FBI’s Cellular Analysis Survey Team (C.A.S.T); Historical Cellular Analysis Expert; Former FBI agent of 22 years; Former Police Officer and Homicide Detective with Norfolk Virgina Police Dept. having served 12 years; Has worked several missing persons cases. Currently with Precision Cellular Analysis Handling Criminal, Defense and Civil cases, website: pcaexperts.com Dave Mack -  Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories' See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Breaking news. Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie, missing, day 13. This as new video emerges, a composite sketch goes out, and DNA has been sent to a private crime lab in Florida. this as word of a turf war between the FBI and local authorities emerges. The last thing we need tonight.

Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Good evening, everyone. Again, I'm Nancy Grace. I want to thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories. I want to show you video that has emerged online, on social. Let's see it, guys.

At the top, which I'd like to zoom. in on, we see yet another video that has been posted. It appears to be a white or Hispanic male on the front porch reportedly from a home in the vicinity of Nancy Guthrie's home, where she was kidnapped. This is an example of one of the many, many videos. reportedly caught on door cam, surveillance cam, and posted. This as a composite has been released. Joining me an all-star panel to make sense of what we know tonight, this guy featured in this video has not been named as a suspect,

a person of interest, and anything. in relation to Nancy Guthrie's case. Tammy Ballard joining us, DNA, crime scene consultant, crime scene investigation and reconstruction expert, law enforcement liaison at Authram Labs, and former DNA criminalist in the San Diego Police Department crime lab, Tammy, it's really important that we don't have a wild goose chase for the wrong guy, right? But please, everybody keeps sending your video. your door cams, your everything,

because you never know when you're going to hit. All right? No one is naming him as a defendant or a perp or a co-defendant in this case. Timmy Ballard, why is it so important that the wrong person is not named? You do not want to follow a pathway

and lose valuable time. So at this point, excluding somebody is as important as including somebody. So whatever information that you can get, whatever items of evidence you can get to include or exclude somebody is very, very critical at this time. Door cams, surveillance cams, yard cams, hunting cams, wildlife cams are being combed at this hour. Much of that video is being posted online. much of it is being sent to the FBI. They want it. We keep hearing about the tens of thousands of tips that are pouring in.

That's their job. They have an entire and elite crew set up. Joining me, Scott Eicher, digital forensics expert, founding member of the cellular analysis survey team cast with the FBI. They are the people, the women and men. You can thank for pulling up that front door video. Let's see it because it's amazing.

Remember Sheriff Nanos said at the beginning, oh, shucks everybody. It's just such a terrible coinky dink that Nancy Guthrie did not have a subscription to her nest because if she had paid that extra $8.99 a month, then we'd have the videos of the perp. Darny darn, darn, darn. The FBI was finally invited in.

They cannot just come in unrequested. And they used their cast team to comb all of the data points, literally trillions of data points, of information, through Google, who owns Nest, Guthrie had a nest cam, a nest system, and out of all of those

trillions of points of data, they find Nancy Guthrie's little itty-bitty door cam, and they wrote, resurrect this. It's amazing. So Scott Eicher, I want you to weigh in on. Explain. Oh, by the way, he is now at PCA experts. That's Precision Cellular Analysis Experts.com. Scott, who is waiting through all of these videos, like the one we're just saying, guy, not a suspect. That's an example of some of the videos that are being sent in. Who is doing it? Well, you've got probably

a hundred analysts in the command post and some being working remotely going through all these tips and ring camera and nest camera video to try to collate and figure out which is important, which is not important. And kind of matching up movement of people through different cameras. Just like this NEST camera that Cast was able to get, we had a good relationship with Google over the years dealing with their location information. So when we heard that the NEST camera was being used, we were able to contact those partners and they were able to pull that video. So this is fantastic that we got this. There's going to be tons of people going through all the videos and tips that people are providing from their cameras in the neighborhood

for that whole month, as we've heard that the police department and FBI are asking for video from almost a month back. So it's going to be a ton of work. Yeah, it's something like, and remind me to circle back with Dave Mack on that, it's something like Jan 2 through Feb 1 or Jan 1 through Feb 2. They want the whole month, which tells me, Scott Eicher, that They believe the perp had been in the neighborhood, either casing Guthrie's home or casing everybody's home in daytime and nighttime hours because one of the two dates specifically they are honing in on. One is daytime hours and one is nighttime hours. But, you know, Iker, you make it sound so simple. They were able to pull up this video.

It's really not that simple, especially to a layperson. like myself. I'm just a trial lawyer. I'm not on cast. What do they have to do? Somebody puts the directive on your desk goes, hey, way through Google in Financy Guthrie's home cam, her porch cam, she doesn't have a subscription, but good luck. What do you actually do to pull up to resurrect that video? It's not easy. It's not easy. And you've got to hand it to one, the cast people that know what they're looking for and providing that to Google based on the camera itself. It has a specific identifier that Google can track. Then they have to give them the time frame and then Google has to do a lot of work to provide that. And you got to remember,

we're only seeing what the law enforcement FBI and the sheriff's department wants to see. There might be more video that they're not releasing at this point in time. But it is very very difficult to get that data. In this case, I think this data was, the video was sent to the cloud by the NEST camera that recorded it, but, you know, it just didn't not, because they didn't have a subscription, didn't come to their phones or their, you know, their login to the Ness camera. So it was kind of being held in the cloud. We just needed to make sure we got it before it was deleted. And thank God we did. You know, Iker, who? Is it, where are they, are they in D.C.?

Are they in Quantico? Where are the people coming through all this data? Well, it's a combination. We always send people to that area where the event is occurring because you need real-time people looking at it. But because there's so much to do, we can do remotely work and have a lot of people helping and providing that to the command of us. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

I want to move now off of the video of possibly an unrelated guy on a porch that somebody sent in, reportedly from Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood. There he is on top. Not a suspect, not a person of interest. But whoever sent it is well in tension, this is from USA News HQ on X. That's where it was posted. at this hour we have a composite composite sketches are not easy

hey you just mentioned something that Iker had said David I'm going to circle back to you on the composite but I want to just button this up Iker you stated that we are seeing only what L.E law enforcement wants us to see and I agree is it possible that there was audio connected to the porch cam, number one, number two, we know their cameras inside two, inside Nancy Guthrie's home as well. How do we know that? Because Sheriff Nanos came out and made a point of saying there were no, none of the cameras inside were smashed. Okay, we didn't know

that, that judgment, there were definitely cameras inside. But when he said, none of the cameras inside were smashed, then we knew there were cameras inside. is, do you believe, if Cast and Google could mine the front porch cam, they could mine the cams inside, as I call them, the granny cams, for not only video, but sound? It's a possibility. We got lucky in getting this front porch camera here, but that doesn't mean that they're not still working on some trying to get that data that might have been, you know, stuck in the cloud. I wouldn't say that it's impossible, but if they haven't released something by now regarding that other stuff, I think it's gone or not able to be retrieved.

Hmm. What about audio? Audio is a possibility. Some cameras, Ness cameras have microphones. Some do not. So it really just depends on the type of camera that was not being used at that point. Let me see the composite sketch really quickly, please, composite sketch, because it seems to me that the perp on the front porch eyebrows are thinner than they are in the composite sketch. Let's see the front skirt, the perp again. But what about this? Brian Fitzgiven is joining us. He is the Director of Operations USAPA nationwide security. He leads a team of investigators around the world, finding missing people such as Nancy Guthrie. at uspacurity.com.

Brian, when you put on the ski mask and you adjust the eyes after you pull it on, I wonder if it didn't pull his eyebrows up a little bit because if you look at it, he has no hooding whatsoever on his eye, his eyelids. See what I mean? It's almost like they're pulled back.

And I think that's what gave me the impression, while I know it's a man that he had effeminate features, because his eyebrows look so thin and his, what do you make of that? Is that possible? Because the composite shows much heavier eyebrows. Yeah, and in that composite, right, they're taking the distance of the eyes, the shape of the eyes, the distance from the eyes to the mouth,

and that sketch artist is doing the best that they can to render what they're able to see from the facial structure of this individual. Now, with regards to the eyebrows and what we're seeing underneath that mask, you know, it's unclear. You know, that could be the bottom of an eyebrow. It could be being pulled up. And that could just be a shadow on that thick, stitched lining around the eyes. So it's very unclear what we're seeing there. Oh, okay.

Wait. I hadn't thought of that. Stitching. What I am looking at and thinking, it's thin, even, tweezed eyebrows could just be stitching or the underside of the ski mask, underside of ski mask, because I'm looking to see if it's on the bottom too. Not really. Well, right there, right there actually, Fitzgibbon's look on his left, our right? Yeah, you can see that. You kind of see the same lining. Mm-hmm. That's very, very astute, especially on his left,

Yes, darn it, I thought I was on to something. Hey, what about this? Everybody jump in. I've got Tammy Ballard, a DNA crime scene consultant, formerly with San Diego PD, DNA criminalists. Scott Iker, formerly I've cast, now at PCA experts in Brian Fitzgibbons. What about AI? Can they help with the composite? They.

Can it help with the composite? Thoughts? Iker? You know, I think it can. You've seen some of the things that it's done. When you take that information and put it all in, different angles, different heights, different views, and the light and dark parts, I think it can help.

But, you know, the sketch artists, I think, would probably be better at this point in time. A retired Houston forensic artist, Lois Gibson created an unofficial sketch of the masked figure hoping it would help find Nancy Guthrie. And she is legendary. She came out of retirement to create the sketch. Investigators focusing on doorbell video and from that this sketch is made. Now, can AI enhance it? Let me understand this, Dave Mack. This is not an official sketch. No, ma'am. This is not released by the FBI.

And this is not released by Nannis. No. It is a retired crime sketch artist out of Houston named Lois Gibson. And she did this unofficially, not asked or invited, just did it out of her own background and knowledge and wrote this and drew the sketch. The FBI has given us the basic parameters of the height of a male who is 5'9 to 5 foot 10 average build and wearing the black 25, leader Ozark Trail Hiker Pack backpack. That's what the FBI released. The description that we're looking at, the actual sketch, was done by the sketch artist Lois Gibson, retired in Houston. She was not asked to do it. She did it and it was released through her and through local television

stations who have put it out there as an unofficial sketch. Well, I know it was not released by law enforcement or the FBI, but this woman created composites. sketches for over 39 years, 5,089 sketches in all. Over 100, over 1,266 people identified, and that is a world record for identifications based on composite sketches. Now, Iker is furiously shaking his head. No, no, no. Why, Iker? Well, you know, not taking any of the way from Ms. Gibson, who might be an excellent. and sketch artists and had success in the past. But you don't want to interject stuff into this investigation that's not approved by law enforcement. You're going to send people down the wrong road if that sketches off.

So we got to just make sure that it goes to law enforcement and let them release it if it's relevant to the case. We don't want to mess things up even more messier than it is with all the tips and all the videos that we have. Okay. Point will taken. Guys, in addition to this composite sketch being put out on social and on the media, an official, official from law enforcement description of the alleged perp has been released. Dave Mack, what do we have? What are they saying?

Five foot nine to five foot ten average build. And they did identify the backpack that he was seen with wearing that black 25-liter Ozark Trail Hiker backpack. But 5'9 to 5'10 average bill, that's what we're being told by the FBI. Also, at this hour, a turf war reportedly, Nanos says, oh, that's not true, but we do know that the gloves found, and late last night we learned that a glove and DNA has been found inside Nancy Guthrie's home. To Tammy, well, to finish that thought, that the glove and the DNA has been sent to a private lab in Florida. Okay, let me just absorb that for a moment because you've got the FBI at your

Beck and call. I don't believe there's a single private lab that's got anything over on the FBI crime lab. I know that there are crime labs, private crime labs that specialize in degraded DNA, mixtures of DNA where you have multiple people's DNA mixed together. Old DNA, minuscule or practically no DNA, that DNA has to be regenerated and tested. Why Nanos chose to send the DNA out of a Tucson case to a Florida lab instead of the FBI lab at Quantico, it's actually making my head hurt. Tammy Ballard, I'm going to get to.

the bombshell that there is DNA in the home, which I'm not surprised about, right? Are you? I mean, a hair, a fiber. Hey, speaking of fibers, Wayne Williams case, remember that, Tammy Ballard? The multiple boy and teen

victims, many of them had carpet fiber on their bodies that matched the carpet fiber in Wayne Williams' vehicle and his parents' home. As a matter of fact, A guy I worked with very closely in the Fulton district attorney's office, Joseph Droulet, brilliant,

ultimately ran our appellate division, worked on that case and worked on getting that carpet analysis into evidence. So there could be carpet fibers in there from the PURPS vehicle, there could be hair, there could be fiber from that ski mask. All of that has been taken and sent to a private lab. Why, Tammy? Why? Well, I did read somewhere that Pima County does have a prior arrangement with this laboratory. I'm going to venture a guess that I know which private laboratory is taking on this responsibility, and I will say they won't take this on without having a rush status and having the capabilities to do what's best by the evidence.

That's not saying that the FBI laboratory isn't going to prioritize this as well and, again, have the best intentions with the evidence. But both the FBI and the Florida lab potentially are going to have the limitations of getting that data that they get those DNA processes. files into the best databases possible to search for that suspect. If they don't have a suspect, the goal is going to be to get them into these databases, the Codest databases, at every level possible, local, state, and national, and they want to be able to find that perpetrator. So hopefully this private laboratory has an agreement with the state lab in Arizona that they can get these profiles once they obtain them from the glove, which I'm sure they're going to get some DNA off of those gloves. Get those into the databases is a big, big priority so we can

see if they can identify a perpetrator. Tammy, I heard and digested everything that you just said. However, even if Arizona, and I believe they spent over $200,000 with this private lab leading up to right now. Even if that private lab does have an agreement with either Arizona or Florida, they're based in Florida, to use CODIS, a private lab can't just get into CODIS. That's a national database of DNA. That would be like me saying, oh, I've got a private lab up in my kitchen. Can I now access CODIS? No, you can't. States can. State crime labs can access CODIS. The FBI can access CODIS. What is CODIS?

It's a national database of DNA. It's created mostly of perps that have given their DNA and fingerprints when they're arrested, DNA found at crime scenes, either solved or unsolved, and more. But that said, I still don't hear an answer. Just because they have a relationship with this private lab, that private lab can't do anything the FBI can't do. and the FBI is already on the case. So why? Well, I will say that some of these private laboratories, I mean, they will, if it's the lab that I think it is, it has pretty much everything in its wheelhouse to be able to work on this case. So I would say that the...

What lab do you think it is, Tammy? I'm going to venture a guess that it's DNA Labs International. And they have a very good reputation. They have a very fast, turnaround time. So I would say it would be equal to the FBI laboratory, if not potentially even more in their wheelhouse. So I don't think they would have taken this case on if they didn't have the time, the energy dedicated to it, the analysts, and the promise that they're going to get this out in the best way possible, the fastest way possible. Now, the same issue is either the FBI or the Florida lab, they're still going to have to have somebody in Arizona take ownership and vet that data.

So I can almost guarantee these are mixtures of DNA, and you want to get every single contributor to be able to be searched in those databases. So that's the hope that everything was explained and understood by the sheriff at that time so that everybody knows this is all about what's best by the evidence, no egos, no shutting people out. Okay, wait, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait. I know what we all hope and what we all think and what we all dream is going to happen. You stated you believe there's more than one mixed, what did you say you think there's more than one DNA? Are you saying it's mixed DNA? What are you saying? Take a glove, for example. You're going to have the inside of the glove and the outside of the glove.

they'd best be processing those separately because every time you touch an item, you're going to potentially have that transfer of another person's DNA. So I've done a lot of gloves in my career, every kind from cloths to leather to the latex gloves. You're almost inherently going to have a mixture of DNA because you're touching other items. You're touching the doorknobs, so handling other people. So there's going to be, they need to be able to extract that DNA and decide how many contributors are going to be there and search effectively for all of those contributors. If those gloves have touched Nancy, then they are going to have Nancy's DNA potentially on them.

You need to take her out of the equation so that you're only looking for that perpetrator. And that is why Tammy Ballard is so renowned. She just explained why there is very likely a DNA mixture on the gloves if in fact the gloves are related. Hi there, everybody. On behalf of our family, we want to thank all of you for the prayers for our beloved mom, Nancy. We feel them and we continue to believe that she feels them too. Our mom is a kind, faithful, loyal, fiercely loving woman of goodness and light. She is funny, spunky, and clever.

She has grandchildren that adore her and crowd around her and cover her with kisses. She loves fun. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. At this hour, the reward for information leading to the recovery of Nancy Guthrie has been doubled to $100,000. $100,000. Last night, we learned that there is DNA that has been recovered inside Nancy Guthrie's home. And seemingly, it said that there's another glove in there, Dave Mack. What did we learn?

Inside the home, Nancy, multiple gloves. Plural. Gloves were found inside the home. You know, we've been talking about the glove that was found outside during the search about a mile and a half from Nancy's home. But last night, we're finding out that gloves, plural, were found inside the home and were apparently shipped to Florida for analysis to the lab as we were talking about a few minutes ago. So yeah, mults inside the home. Tell me what everybody, let's put our heads together. what type of DNA could be in the home. And I really do not like something, again, that Nano said, and I don't like spending a lot of time saying what the cops or what the sheriff did wrong

in the middle of an investigation because it's time waster. But he did say that there is no turf war, and this is what concerned me, he said, these gloves may not even be related. Okay, so what? They get second-class treatment because they might not be related. Every finger-pitted a crime scene may not be related. That threw me for a loop that he said that, Brian Fitzgibbons. They may not be related. What does that have to do with anything? They may be related. That was a little bit of a head scratcher. I mean, any article or piece of evidence found at the crime scene may not be related, right? So everything needs to be processed to

and treated the same. So that comment was a little bit of a head scratcher. Now, I think what he was probably referring to is, hey, was this discarded, were these gloves discarded by a deputy early on the scene, where they dropped, were they dropped by a worker at the house and it's unrelated to the kidnapping? But, hey, we're going to find out pretty soon here. A bombshell, a glove found inside Nancy Guthrie's home could be a major, major discovery.

So, Tammy Ballard was just explaining some of the obstacles that the lab will face when trying to separate, differentiate, and examine DNA, we hope, found on the glove. You stated Tammy Ballard, potential DNA inside the glove and on the outside of the glove. What other DNA or evidence, fiber evidence, could be found in the home of Nancy Guthrie? Yes, fiber evidence. That's different, a little tougher to come by, but hopefully something is very well processed. But also fingerprint evidence is a big one. Hopefully they did a lot of fingerprint evidence potentially. I know there are gloves involved.

The big one I would be looking for as well is, the blood source that's on the front porch, does that start and begin in the household? And if so, was Nancy able to fight back? Do we have two bleaters? So you can't take any of that blood for granted. You've got to look at bloodstain patterns and see if there's some outlier that actually could be from the perpetrator. Maybe she was able to fight back pretty well.

You just don't know and you can't take anything for granted. So it's basically process everything and collect everything that could be a potential. To Scott Ikeru joining us, digital forensics expert, formally with the FBI, what do you make up it? You were also a homicide detective. What else do you believe they found in the home? Touch DNA, maybe fiber, a hair. All it takes is one hair.

One. I agree. Hopefully they process that house very well. but you got to remember when they first went there, it's a missing person. And then later on it turned out to be, okay, this could be a kidnapping with ransom and now the video. So initially the police department's in there walking through the house, you know, looking in, you know, the basement and the attic in the every room and making sure she's just not there. Again, with the property doing the same thing. So you got to remember, I think when we were talking about this deal,

the FBI was called in a little bit later, a day or two later, to try to help or the FBI came to ask if they could help. So at that time, maybe the sheriff's department was on their own saying, hey, we should probably take this glove that we found in the house and send it to the lab. So I don't think there's any rift between the two agencies. I've worked the Jessica Ridgeway case back in 2012 with Westminster PD, and we are a force multiplier. We come into the situation at the permission of the local authorities, even though there's cross-jurisdiction, especially in a kidnapping case. But in the Jessica Ridgeway case, Westminster was thankful we were there. We brought in, you know, 50 different agents and analysts to do work at their request. That turned out to be a really good case.

There was DNA found on her backpack that was left in the neighborhood several days later. That DNA was sent in Dakotis. It was actually processed by the state of Colorado lab, and it went in Dakota's, and they found a hit. But that hit was an unknown person from a prior attack. So even if we do get some DNA and it's put into CODIS, we're not sure if it's going to match anybody that's known. In that Jessica Ridgeway case, it was an unknown person. Well, there's always genetic genealogy that was used, for instance, in the Golden Gate killer case, Joseph DeAngelo, one of the first of its kind. Familiar DNA, genetic genealogy DNA.

Hey, that video we were just showing you is from 12 news. So that's the possibility. If the perp doesn't have a record, he may not show up in CODUS, but if he has a brother, a cousin, a father, a son with a record, we're going to get a match. It won't be a full match, but then we'll be on to something. That doesn't work. We'll go to genetic genealogy, familial DNA,

which has been approved of practically every jurisdiction. Hey, another thing, Dave Mack. It seems as if vehicles are taking center stage as well as DNA at this juncture, and that would be specifically a gray truck. What can you tell me? We've been told now that the FBI and the sheriff's department are asking people in the neighborhood to share their nest, ring doorbell cameras, any surveillance video they have. You mentioned it earlier, January 1st to February 2nd.

However, there are two very specific times that they are actually, they being law enforcement, are focused in on saying they're looking for January 11, 11 from 9 p.m. to 20. And they're also looking for 9.30 a.m. to 11 a.m. on January 31st. In the neighborhood, ring doorbell, nest cameras, they're looking for a specific possible in Greg truck. But they're also noting every neighbor, what they've got, what they drive, what they use on a daily basis. You know, Nancy, the neighbor who actually pointed out to law enforcement, that Nancy's roof looked too clean, Laura Gargano.

She confirmed that a request for the dates in question here were sent by ring doorbell app. In that request, police noted that a suspicious vehicle had been spotted in the vicinity, and they want every piece of video they can get from the neighborhood during those specific times. To Brian Fitzgibbon's, what do you make of the search for a gray truck? Yeah, so we've been talking about this for days now that. They obviously had a vehicle to take Nancy away from that site. And that as law enforcement is going to go around with all these ring camera videos and thousands of tips that are coming in, they're going to try to identify a vehicle because the vehicle at the end of the day is going to be easier to locate necessarily than a person.

So, you know, this great truck could be central. you know, it could be one of hundreds of vehicle leads that they're following down. Now, the vehicle, I can't stress the importance of it. They're saying gray, but remember, if Dave Mac's correct, I saw off a doorbell cam, a door cam. It could be gray. It could be white. It could be beige. But think back on Brian Coburger.

The first thing that happened was somebody at a gas station, a Quick Mart, says, hey, this car came by. by around 3 o'clock, 4 o'clock in the morning, this was a clerk that took it upon themselves to review hours and hours and hours of video and called authorities. Saw a white elantra. They started looking for a white elantra. It was sent to WSU, Washington State University of Pullman. The campus security went through the registration at Pullman, who's got a white elantra? Brian Coburger.

That's where his name first came from. And then the white Alontra was viewed circling the home, 11 visits leading up to the murders or more. Then, let's see, the Molly Tibbets person, that perpetrator that murdered this young co-ed, he was caught by distinctive markings on his black Chevy Malibu. Caught on Cam. So, isn't it true, Iker, that local... police, especially in a metropolis as big as

Tucson, and I'm basing this on what I know of Atlanta and New York. They have entire divisions, like there's homicide, there's sex crimes, there's missing, there's car theft. There is a whole division of people working car theft because there's so many, and they

can look at a car and go, oh, yeah, that's a 1984 Chevy Malibu black in color with blah, blah, blah, and all of the details. They know it like heart, just like of the Constitution. That's their business. You can determine the year, the make,

the model, because every year generally, there are subtle changes to the body of a car. Let's just pretend we're talking about a Toyota camera. They may slant the headlights. They may raise up the rear end. They make just

some subtle change every year to make it different to the consumer. But especially, us in the car theft division know all about those subtle changes and they can identify make, model, and year. That is so true. And we actually have that in the FBI too. We have experts in that field at the lab. But a lot of the people that work stolen cars are just, you know, car experts. I'm a cell phone and cellular network expert. We have those people in our, in our that we can reach out to and they could see, oh, that that trim that's on the

that car was from this year when Toyota, for example, made that car. So they're good at it, and they definitely can help you out in those situations. Really, really good, Iker. And remind me, I want to circle back one last time to Iker regarding the cell phone data that's being amassed in Nancy Guthrie's neighborhood. Fitzgibbon's, the make, the model, the year, so, so important. it in a case like this. And then once you get that, you go, oh, okay, here is a 2004, let's just go with a Ford F-150. It's white. It's got this feature on the back. Now we decide

make, model, and year, and you look through registration. Remember, every traffic stop, license registration. That vehicle is registered. to somebody, 90% guarantee. Then they get everybody in the area that has that vehicle and they start canvassing. That's how it goes down. Spot on. And I think one thing, this was reported yesterday by Matt Finn from Fox News, who tracked down, Arizona Department of Transportation, spoke with officials at the city of Tucson and in Pima

County about traffic cam locations and do they record. So when you see this big push for ring cameras, and I think that this is going to start to hit the media cycle pretty quickly, AZ Dot is saying that they have cameras in the area, but they do not record. City of Tucson says it has traffic cameras that do not record, and Pima County says that they have some that do and some that don't. So, you know, we're in a scenario here where you see this reward go up and law enforcement asking for all of these videos for that span of time. And I'm going to say that it very likely has to do with trying to find a vehicle. Absolutely. Well put, Brian Fitzgibbon's.

Iker, we know that Palazuelos was apprehended. That video guys was Fox 10, and that was Nancy Guthrie's vehicle being towed for evidence. That vehicle is going to be so important because if Nancy Guthrie was bleeding and we know she was, there's no way they can get rid of that blood and that car. I don't care how hard they try. That said, Pellaswellis, Carlos Pellaswellis was pulled over, detained, question, release. He had nothing to do with it. I believe he was identified from cell phone data that his phone was in and out of her neighborhood at various hours

because he's a delivery person of that neighborhood probably to her house. And that's why they zeroed in on him. They did not pull him over because he forgot to turn on his blinker. They pulled him over, I believe, because of his cell phone data.

I believe that's correct too. I mean, I don't have first-hand knowledge, but that's the things what we do in these type of situations. We do tower dumps for the area around the crime scene, and then we look for all the phones and vehicles, you know, we've got to remember vehicles have cell phones in them now, too, the newer ones. Then we start going through all that data and figure out, okay, which ones are stationary during

all this time? That's probably a neighbor or Nancy's phone. Now let's look at the ones that are moving in and out of that area and narrowed down on those. So I believe he was stopped and questioned because he was in the area. And he is a delivery driver. I don't think he's said he remembered to be in that area, but, you know, he's delivering all over the place. So they stopped him, talked to him, questioned him. They might even done a search at his residence. I know there was a search around the same time, but they've cleared him. But that's what they're doing. They're going through all this data trying to figure out who came in and who left around the time Nancy disappeared. If you know or think you know anything about Nancy Guthrie's

disappearance, please call 1-800-225-3-24. 1-800-225-5-3-24. Or, if you wish to remain anonymous, 520882-7463, 52082-7463. There is a $100,000 reward. Good night, friend.