Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - SAVANNAH GUTHRIE MOM MISSING: DAY 55

Episode Date: March 28, 2026

Savannah Guthrie opens up to her friend and co-worker Hoda Kobt about the ordeal the family has leaved with since  Nancy Guthrie went missing.  Savannah reveals how she learned her mother was missing, giving details previously undisclosed that the home's back door was propped open and Nancy was shoeless when she was taken.    Savannah says her brother, Camron, thought right away that their mother had been “kidnapped for ransom.”  At that point, Savannah worried she was the cause.  If you know or think you know anything about Nancy Guthrie's disappearance:  FBI Tip Line: 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or online at tips.fbi.gov. PCSD Tip Line: 520-351-4900. Anonymous Tips: 88-CRIME (520-882-7463) See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Savannah Guthrie's mother, Nancy Guthrie, missing day 55. Tonight, breaking down what Savannah Guthrie said in her heartbreaking interview through all of that pain, the tears, the angst. There are facts. Facts previously unknown. For instance, why was the back door propped open and still propped open when Sister Annie arrives?

Yet we know Mrs. Guthrie went out the front door because that was her blood. Tonight, a careful and close up look at the blood does it actually reveal a shoe print. Also, breaking down what Savannah has revealed to us. Does she believe there is one perp as opposed to multiple perps? Also, she says she believes two of the ransom notes were real. And if so, what can we learn from that and many more revelations that we have pieced together from Savannah's own words? Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.

This is crime stories. In every investigation, you have to examine every single. fact for what, if anything, it can prove. We learned a lot by careful analysis of what Savannah has told us, listen. I mean, from the very early moments, you know, Annie and Tommy were saying, this isn't, this isn't that case that you are used to where someone wanders off. She can't wander off. My mom, her, her, she was in tremendous pain. Her back was very bad, you know, she was trying to on a good day, she could walk down to the mailbox and get

the mail, but most days not. So there was no wander off. And the doors were popped open. Yeah. And there was blood on the front doorstep. And the ring camera had been yanked off. Yeah. And so we were saying this is

do something. This is not okay. Yeah. This isn't something is very wrong here. I know it is very difficult. It hurts to watch Savannah's pain. But in order to analyze a case, you have to listen to every single word, no matter how agonizing it is. She is giving a name and a face to what crime victims go through every day in this country. But very often, they're never heard.

A good investigator will listen very carefully to each and every word, parse it out, and see what. can be used to solve the case. First of all, door still propped open when Annie Guthrie arrives. Why? Why did the perk want the door still propped open in the back? Joining me in all-star

panel to make sense of what we are learning. I want to go straight out to Brian Fitzgibbon's joining us. Director of Operations USPA nationwide security, leading a team of investigators around the world finding, extracting, missing people. former Marine Iraqi War Vett.

Okay. What does this mean? Now, to me, it means there were likely two perps. One was coming in the back. And we heard that at the beginning. And I'll circle back to Dave Mack on that. The inch he was made through the back and the front door was not broken into. Now we're hearing that resounding again.

The back door propped open. Interesting. Sub question. why not just open the door and go in and out? Why did you have to prop it open? Some would say, well, to carry Nancy Guthrie out, but she went out the front. So what do you make of it?

What can we learn? Yeah, I think what it tells us, first of all, is it confirms the initial reports that entry was initially gained through the rear of the residence. The second thing, you know, when I hear door propped open, I think that I'm propping that open to come in and out or that there's someone following me

close behind, you know, that I'll gain entry and someone else is coming, you know, within a matter of minutes, not right away. So I think we learn a little bit more and it adds color to that 40 minute time span that we believe the perpetrators were on the property. Okay. So you told me a little bit more than I posed in my question. Okay, so you kind of mirrored what I said, but you threw me a little bone there, Fitzgibbon's, and I'm going to run with it. Also, why are we hearing about this just now?

Why are we hearing about it just now? To Scott Eicher, founding member of Cal's Cellular Analysis Survey team in the FBI, also Norfolk, Virginia, PD, 12 years, Homicide, now at Precision Cellular Analysis, Jeffrey, and all of your years at the FBI, do you believe the FBI is not happy, Savannah, reveal that fact, or okay with it? Well, there's two different aspects here. You can't control the victim's family.

We've learned that over the years. We try to instruct them on what should be released and what shouldn't be released. I don't think Savannah broke any real rules here. She's trying to keep this case into the public eye, and that's important for her mother and for her family. So a little bit of information like the backdoor propped open sure does help us re-evaluate the evidence that we're seeing. And you've got to remember, we're not seeing all the evidence. The police department and the FBI need to keep things quiet until they've solved the case.

Scott Eicher, you're right. Another thing we learn from Savannah, and I'm going to play for you what Savannah has just said in the last hours, more information. But analyzing what we have already heard, she says her mom not wearing shoes and taken out of the home wearing PJs. Is that right? Dave Matt, is that what she said? It's exactly what she said, that she was snagged from her bed, in middle of the night, in her PJs with no, no. shoes. Let's take a listen to Savannah. It is surreal. It's how is it possible that we are having to make a video speaking to a kidnapper who took an 84 year old woman in the dead of night in her pajamas with no shoes without her medicine, this little person, and to beg for mercy.

From our friends at today, YouTube, again, it's really hard, and I have done it for years and years and years, listening to victims, witnesses, tell heart-wrenching stories, and her pain comes through the camera lens, and I believe it's genuine. I believe everything Savannah said was genuine and accurate because who would know the facts better than a family member? She's been through all the FBI briefings. She's talked to Annie. She's talked to Cameron. She knows what's happening in the investigation and she says no shoes wearing PJs.

Now, I want to throw something else in on that. If she didn't have in her hearing aids and we know there was a pair of hearing aids there. If she left without hearing aids, unless she had that second pair that has been the source of speculation, I doubt very seriously that she didn't need glasses. I doubt an 84 year old woman had 2020 in 2019. So if she doesn't have her hearing aids and she doesn't have her glasses, she's basically blind and death. She has no idea what is happening to her. She doesn't have on shoes. She's wearing PJs.

I mean, an 84 year old, I just keep thinking about my own mom, 94 living with us, someone doing that to her. She'd have no comprehension of what was going on at 2 o'clock in the morning. But this brings up a question to Scott Eicher with Cellular Analysis Survey Team. who explained to us before it happened how Google and or Apple could possibly scratch down the days on video and find video and then poof it happened. Is there other video that we don't know about? How do they know that Mrs. Guthrie didn't have on shoes and was wearing her PJs? I believe they're still digging for video. You've got to remember where we're relying on Google, the FBI or the Sheriff's Department

can't get into the Google system. So we're relying on Google, but constantly pressuring them to continue to work down through that sets of data to try to find snippets of information. And maybe they have, and the investigation has it, but they haven't released it. But either way, they're going to continue. But why would they do that? My question is, do you? you believe there's more video? Do you believe that's where they got the information that she was

barefoot and had on her PJs? I can only speculate, yes, there's more video, but, and why would they not release something that would indicate that? Maybe it's too much, too shocking. And maybe it's the family saying, hey, we don't want video of our mother being drug out of the house. We don't want that being on the air. And I wouldn't blame them. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace To Jeffrey Gentry, board certified bloodstained pattern analyst, senior crime scene analyst, death investigator, former toxicology lab analyst, and author of Forensic Science, Application to Death and Crime Scene Investigations. Also, which comes into play later on tonight, bloodstain pattern analysis, also author of death

investigation information to obtain during a forensic death investigation. Jeff, thank you for being with us. There are other explanations as to how they know Mrs. Guthrie was wearing her PJs and that she didn't have on shoes. For instance, my mom does this. I set her shoes out right by the bed in case she gets up, even if she's sitting on her love seat, listening to Andrea Bachele. on and on and on. I have her shoes sitting right there for her to just slip her feet into.

What if that is her MO? Like my mom's. So what if they get there, Jeffrey, and they see the slippers? They're still there. Okay. Go with me on this. We know that the brother-in-law took her home the night before from dinner. What if he took her in and waited for her to get on her PJs? and then those PJs were gone the next morning. It's two and two equals four. I've spoken to countless family members when victims go missing, like runaways. And the parent knows what the child is wearing because it's missing. Like, I know what shoes my mom has.

I would know if some were missing. It's, that could be a reasonable explanation. What do you think, Jeff Gentry? Well, there's a couple possibilities. One, it's the family just making assumptions. I mean, they assume that their mother went to bed with no shoes on and they assumed that she was taken out of bed and immediately walked out the door without putting her shoes on. That's one possibility. The other possibility is that the family has more information that they're just not disclosing. And in any criminal investigation, you can't expect that everything that the police or the FBI has is going to be released to the public. That just does not happen. So I do believe that there is a lot more information out there that we're not being allowed access to right now just because you're keeping it tight to their investigation for when they get this suspect in custody. But those are the different possibilities. It's just family assumptions versus the police investigators have shared information with the family that is just not being disclosed to the public. And I think that is very much a realistic possibility in this

case. Joining us, Dr. Geraldine Utter. She is a clinical psychologist specializing in psychological evaluations, author of Mainlining Philly. Also, author of Aftershock, How Past Events Shake Up Your Life Today, and Producer of Utter Nonsense. Dr. Geraldine Utter, thank you for being with us. Dr. Jerylian, many people find it hard to believe that you would know your mom's shoes, how many she has, and what's missing. Same thing with my children. I know what shoes they have and what they wear every single day.

It's not that hard. So why is that so difficult for people to believe? And is it possible? I think with this, Nancy, you have a media case, right? And there are people out there that are interested in the salaciousness of, you know, I can't believe, you know, that they wouldn't know that or know this. But let's think about, you know, human behavior and patterns and people who are close to their mom. Clearly, when you look at Savannah's interview, she's very, very close to her mom, very attached to her mom. Her siblings are as well. So it's completely plausible that to your point that they would know and understand. understand, you know, what slippers she has. Maybe she has corrective shoes. Maybe she has certain slippers that she wears at night. Maybe there's certain pajamas she wears. Another thing, too, when you think about, you know, her making the assumption, perhaps, that her mom's pajamas were on makes complete sense because if somebody or a perpetrator came into the house and abducted her and said, hey, we want you to change. They're not going to take the time perhaps to discard

the clothing. It would probably be lying around or somewhere around the house. So when you look about when you look at patterns of human behavior, yes, it makes a lot of sense when you're close with your mother, you're close with your children, that you would know what kind of clothes they have that they're outside. All of that makes complete sense. Well, another thing, we just showed a photo of Mrs. Guthrie with a cane. Like my mom has certain shoes that feel better than others. Some of them are special shoes for her feet. I would not be surprised if Mrs. Guthrie had, let's just say, 10 pair, a special shoes, and that's what she wore. And that's what was in her closet. And also, I had to go out of town last night for work. And the last thing I did before I went to bed was I

face-timed my mother. And I saw her, obviously, and I saw what she had on. Sometimes she's too tired to put on PJs at the end of the day and she'll sleep in her little jogging outfit. I saw what she had on. How do I know they didn't have a face-time? I don't know that. But, But there's more than one way to skin a cat. There's more than one answer other than there is secret video that we don't know about. Also guys, as we go to air tonight, we are learning that people have come to Mrs. Guthrie's home and they're taking items out in boxes. What does that mean?

Is it evidence, family keepsakes, stuff the family doesn't want their left attended. don't know could be evidence. And if so, why now? What has become significant now to take out of the home that you didn't think about the first 10 times you were reviewing the home? Also, we are learning, and I don't really know how much credence to give to this, about another note. A letter sent to the media that states the sender is apologizing, claiming they didn't realize how serious Ms. Guthrie's heart condition was and that she has, quote, gone to be with God. I don't believe that. That screams BS to me.

I mean, think about it, gentry. The kidnapper is going to risk giving his identity away by some apology and even mentioning God. This guy was not worried about his reckoning day or meeting his. maker when he stole Mrs. Guthrie. So some a-hole is sending a bogus letter yet again. What do you think? Could it be real? I don't see the suspect as apologizing for anything. They feel like they're in the clear now. It's been how many days since she went missing and there's still no solid leads, no arrests, no good suspects in custody. So this person probably believes that they're in the clear and why would they have any reason to apologize for anything? They

they're still carrying out their plan. So I don't see that as being a realistic possibility. I agree. I agree. I don't know why people do things like this. It's just torturous to the family. But that said, we're not going to be able to stop it here on crime stories. But what we can do is put all of this brain trust together and analyze what we are learning.

Number one, we think definite two perps, one at the front, one at the back. We think definitely that Mrs. Guthrie was taken out. and her PJs with no shoes. What does that tell me? Haste. Haste. Also, let's take a very careful look, a close-up of the blood stains. The blood on the front of the porch to many people suggest a shoe print. Now, before we throw out the baby with the bathwater, let's listen. Your mind has to be open. If you have a knee-jerk reaction, that's not what this is. Fine. But listen. Listen, gentry, what do you make of it? There's multiple drip stands on the porch that would indicate that she was standing there for some period of time while she's being taken out of the home.

So that's where our analysis that she was upright, walking out of the home, walking slowly, being assisted by someone else, that's where we are getting that opinion or that information. And realistically, people that are upright and walking near blood can step in blood. They can either be bleeding themselves and transfer blood to a surface or they can step in blood that's already on a surface. And what we're seeing looks like some kind of a pattern impression. And a pattern impression in blood is just some object that looks like an object, creating a blood pattern. And that could be a footwear impression. It could be a sock. It could be maybe an object that somebody dropped.

But in this case, it does look like a footwear pattern. It doesn't look like your typical running shoe. It doesn't look like your vans type pattern. To me, it looks more like a trail shoe or a hiking shoe. But then the other possibility of if her slippers are missing, maybe it was a slipper. Maybe she's stepping in her own blood and creating that blood transfer pattern. We just established she's barefoot. Hello.

We just established we think she's barefoot. So it's not a slipper. Guys, that photo is from Fox News. But Gentry, just because I believe in one of your subpoints doesn't mean I disagree with everything you're saying. keep going. So, I mean, we're assuming that she was barefoot. We don't have physical evidence to suggest that yet. At least we don't. Maybe the family does. Maybe the FBI does. So we have to, in doing especially blood pattern analysis, keep all options still open until we can rule them out completely. And so that's what I do with my analysis is I'm making multiple suggestions based on the different

scenarios and then analyzing the other evidence. We're going to kind of narrow down those possibilities. But considering that it's in the blood on the front porch, right outside of the house, we know that people are upright and walking, you have to consider that that is possibly a footwear impression that we're looking at. And it has to be analyzed. That is possibly a forensic link to the suspect. I just wonder, let's take a look at the house plan as we know it, as best as we can deduce it. We've got the front door open and we've got her coming out the front door and we've got the back door still left propped open. They left in haste. They didn't go back. and shut the door. Dave Mack, take a look at the floor plan. We think we know it. This is from Matt LeBlanc, Inc. It's very helpful. Now, the front door, let's place the front door and let's place the back door. Looking at this, I'm hypothesizing, an educated guess, that it's, It was easier to get her out the front door than the back and that they were putting her in a vehicle.

There's no way that she could walk. They had to put her in a vehicle. These photos from Fox News Digital guys. So Dave, looking at the floor plan, as we believe it to be, what's your theory on backdoor open but went out front door? I think you've got multiple people coming in the house. And that's where they made entry through the back door. Then if you notice Porch Guy, when Porch Guy arrives at the front door, it looks like

Porch Guy is trying to look left of the door into the home through the glass. Like, is his compatriots inside? Are they there to open the door to let him in that way? That's why the back door would be propped open. And that's why this guy would be looking for a way in on the front door. They're going to have to get her out the front door. You're absolutely right. Hold on.

Let's see him walk up again. Dave Mack, you just. pointed out something I hadn't noticed. See, that's why it's so good to work with a team because it's not just your eyes, it's everybody's eyes. And trust me, everybody on this panel, there's not a single dummy here. He pointed out that the guy looks off, looked off to, like he's looking in a window to see what was going on inside. Another scintilla of evidence that there are two perps. Now, that's really interesting because later on Savannah states that regarding the ransoms.

She refers to one person. It is surreal. It's how is it possible that we are having to make a video speaking to a kidnapper who took an 84-year-old woman in the dead of night in her pajamas with no shoes without her memory without her medicine, this little person, and to beg for mercy. That from today, YouTube, she definitely refers to one kidnapper, a kidnapper. Also tonight, a lot is being made by haters that Sister Annie called 911 before she called Savannah. And that's, this is where that's coming from, listen.

And my sister called me and I said, is everything okay? Okay? And she said, no. She said, mom's missing. And I said, what? What are you talking about? She said, she's gone. She must have had like some kind of medical episode in the night and that somehow, you know, the paramedics had come. I started calling the hospitals and the police were there and talking to her at the same time and it was just chaos. That from our friends at Today, YouTube. Okay. That simple comment has ignited hellfire from haters stating that that doesn't make sense. Why would Annie call 911 before calling Savannah? Well, I'll tell you why.

Because I've done it more times than I can count. I've taken my mom. I am taking care of my mom. My sister and my brother live far away. It's on me. And if I think something's wrong with her, I immediately take her to, to the ER. She's 94. A sniffle could be serious for her. It could be COVID for Pete's sake. Then, if it's serious, then I call them. If it's not, I wait till she's treated and I bring her back home.

They know her at the ER. We've gone so many times in my beat-up minivan. That said, of course you call 911 first. I don't get the hate, but it makes perfect sense to me. And hold on, brother Cameron. So far, Savannah, Annie, and her husband have been the butt of a lot of hate. But now, apparently, it's your turn.

And he said, I think she's been kidnapped for ransom. And I said, yeah. What? Well, why? What? And then, I mean, it sounds so

like how dumb could I be. But I just, I didn't want. I just said, do you think because of me? And I said, I'm sorry, sweetie, but yeah, maybe, but I knew that. You did? I hope not. I mean, we still don't know.

Honestly, we don't know anything. We don't know anything. So I don't know. Yeah. That it's because she's my mom. And somebody thought, oh, that girl, that lady has money. We can make a quick buck. I mean, that would make sense, but we don't know.

But yeah, that's probably, which is to think that I brought this to her bedside, that it's because of me. And I'd just say, I'm so sorry, Mommy. I'm so sorry. From our friends at Today, YouTube. Other than seeing the obvious pain Savannah's going through, now the haters have jumped on Brother Cameron because of that, because Brother Cameron, who lives in a different state to my understanding, said, this sounds like a ransom, a kidnap for ransom. Many people are suggesting he knows that because he's in on it again.

I mean, how many times does the family have to be cleared? but people are still running with that. Brother Cameron was in another state when this happened, so I guess it had to mastermind it from afar. I'll tell you why he thinks it's kidnapped for ransom to Jeff Gentry, because if there is a burglar and somebody comes in and they see the person overwhelmingly, statistically, the burglar leaves. If it's a, she would have been and left them.

If it was a murder, she would have been murdered and left there. So why else? I mean, there are only a few alternatives, Jeff Gentry, as to why you would cart an 84-year-old woman out of the house with no shoes and her PJs. Right. It's clear that these people came in with a mission in mind. They planned it out. They knew what they were going to do and they carried it out exactly how or why we don't know.

But I was just wondering, is there any other possibility in your mind of what it could be other in a ransom case. I can't really think of any. I mean, why would somebody want to take an older woman out of her home and keep her for this long? It just doesn't make sense unless it's a ransom situation. But then again, why aren't these people still asking for the ransom money? Why would they just go silent at this point? It to me doesn't really make sense on a lot of levels, but I think we still have to be open to other possibilities just in case. And hopefully the FBI and What possibility? Just give me a legitimate possibility, Gentry. Family being involved. Close family being involved, a close friend, somebody that dislikes the family.

Okay. Gentry, I don't know if you've heard yet, but they were cleared. Or if you've heard that they passed polygraphs? I did not hear that. You would have to believe Savannah is in on it. Do you really think that? Do you think there's one shred of evidence suggesting she's in on it? I don't. I really don't think so, but I do think that in any understanding. investigation, especially high-profile ones like this, the investigators have to stay open to all possibilities. Because once you completely shut that door, it narrows your mind and then you become

somewhat biased. You focus too much on one possibility, whereas if you keep your mind open to other possibilities, you're going to analyze information differently. You're going to analyze evidence differently. So although I do not think that Savannah is involved in this and I don't believe that her family is involved, you still have to, as a good investigator, keep your mind open to all possibilities. Well, Jeff Gentry, can't the same be said of ruling out suspects that come up with airtight alibis? You rule them out and then you proceed forward. They're no longer on the table. That's how I do it in an investigation. True. Unless a red flag appears and I think, oh, wow, I've got to re-investigate that.

That has not happened yet. What about it, Eicher? As we go through this type of investigations and we get new information, we have to go back and reevaluate what we thought we saw. saw or heard or what a witness said back then and look at it in a different light. So every time something changes, you have to reevaluate and it really does change your thought pattern as you're looking at into the evidence from a different perspective. Also, the family is being attacked that they quote, let Mrs. Guthrie live alone. Well, if she wants to live alone, you'd have to have her declared incompetent and become her legal guardian and force her to live elsewhere. That is the reality.

I know. I went through it with my mother. She nearly burned the house down in Macon by leaving the stove on multiple times. Still, she refused to leave her home. And it was only when she got really afraid and had eye surgery and literally could not see for a period of months that she agreed. to leave her home. It was an ordeal. So the reality is, what are you going to do? Force her to move in with you or into a, God forbid, rest home? So all the haters obviously have not dealt with an aging parent that doesn't want to leave their home. Brian Fitzgibbon's way in.

We're a private security and investigations firm. And these critics of Cameron Guthrie for making that association immediately. Don't know what it's like to live in the public eye. And a number of our clients, I can tell you right now, if someone went missing from their family, they would immediately associate kidnapping for ransom. These people have to live with a different paranoia than an average American citizen

when their sister is Savannah Guthrie on the Today Show every single day in the national spotlight. You know, I hadn't thought of it like that, but you're absolutely right, Brian Fitzgibbans. In the last hours, Savannah has reappeared. Many people are questioning why is she speaking out? My question is, why shouldn't she? Many people have suggested it's hurting the investigation, is it?

We know very little. The press conferences have ceased. I believe this is her attempt to keep her mother's case alive and keep people listening and watching and thinking and reporting what they know. Also, in the last hours, we learned that billboards have gone up in Spanish. To you, Dave Mack, is this suggesting that the perp is Latino? No, not yet possibly mentioning Nancy that they've got bilingual or Spanish language billboards up. electronic billboards. And they are all in the southwestern part of the U.S. We're talking

San Diego to, not in Tucson, but Phoenix and all the way through New Mexico, like Albuquerque, and in Houston, Texas, in Dallas, Fort Worth. So they're focusing on the southwestern part of the United States, and there are a lot of Spanish language people. So it makes sense that these billboards, these electronic billboards, would be in both English and Spanish. From our friends at Fox 26 News, what about it, Fitzgibbons? I'm sure. what Matt just said is true, but could it indicate more? Yeah, I think what you're seeing here is the search grid, so to speak, expanding, that that radius is growing. As they, you know, look for more leads and information, the FBI wants to expand that radius into Spanish-speaking areas.

Guys, as I was saying earlier, in the last hour, Savannah Guthrie has again spoken, and I'd like you to hear the last installment of what she had to say. This isn't some cheap faith. And my mom taught me that. God only requires our authentic presence and that he has. But I never doubted. I will not fall apart. I will not let whoever did this take my children's mother from me.

them. I will not let them take my joy. From today YouTube to Dr. Gerald and Utter, it seems that Savannah, I'm certainly no shrink, you are, but I have found this to be common, a commonality amongst many crime victim families that they blame themselves. Even if this was, Mrs. Guthrie being targeted because the Perc believes Savannah can pay a big ransom, that doesn't make it Savannah's fault. It makes it the perp's fault. He is the jackal, not Savannah. But I found that to be very common amongst victims' families.

Yes, Survivor's guilt is real. And in this case, there's an extra, you know, layer of pressure when it comes to, you know, a public figure like Savannah. So you have this implicit pressure. So she's thinking, you know, not only, you know, has this terrible thing happened to my mom, but did I cause this? Although there's no actual causal effect and it doesn't make it. make any sense when you look at it logically. And psychologically, that's how she's feeling. She's carrying that burden. She's carrying that guilt. She has this implicit pressure because she is a media personality. But I really did like what she said at the end, Nancy, when she said,

she talked about her faith and she talked about, you know, not allowing this, you know, to take her away from her children. So that is demonstrating that she's powerful and she's strong and that she's trying to hold it together, which I like seeing, you know, for her own mental health and, you know, protective coping strategy. Although it's hard and she's upset and she's sad and she's grieving, he understands that, you know, she has a family to take care of and that she still loves her mother and she's going to do what she can to try to bring her mom home. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Let me remind everyone how powerful her words are. Because somewhere out there is the perp.

probably at least two perps. And the more Savannah talks, the more she describes her mother and the angst her family is going through, the more likely someone will develop a conscience and speak out. Somebody somewhere. And then there's a little thing called the Arizona death penalty. If, if Mrs. Guthrie Parenthood, passed away during this ordeal, that's still felony murder. A death occurs during the commission of a felony being kidnapped. You get the death penalty for that. D.P. doesn't require a long

drawn-out plan like poisoning someone over weeks and months. It doesn't require multiple bodies. It doesn't require the victim be a judge or a cop, you get the death penalty for felony murder. So whoever knows something, whoever is an accomplice, whoever is the backdoor guy, who is aiding and abetting or hiding, wake up, take the reward and speak out or become a co-defendant in a death penalty case. I want to close tonight with the desire. and the prayer that somehow, some way, there will be a reunion between Savannah, Annie, Cameron, and Mrs. Guthrie. But that won't happen unless we remain vigilant. I want you to hear the end of what Savannah said earlier today.

Do we need an answer? And someone has it in their power. to help. It is never too late. And when you do, the warmth of love and forgiveness that will come will be greater

than can be imagined. How can someone vanish? Yeah. Without a trace. How? Someone knows something. Even if that something is, someone's been

acting strange for the last seven, eight weeks, even if it's just that. Somebody knows. My joy will be my protest. My joy will be my answer. And being there is joyful. Gosh, that was the hardest part for me of her talking about joy in the midst of what she and her family are going through. That's from our friends at today at YouTube.

You know what? Fitzgibbons, nobody ever said an investigation was easy. I've had plenty of investigations and prosecutions where I wanted to quit because I just didn't know which way to go. I didn't have an answer. I didn't know what to do, but I didn't quit because that was my duty. We can't quit. Nobody said this was going to be solved in an hour like on TV. It's not like that. This is a real investigation. This is the way it plays out. And when you run out of answers, you keep turning it over and over and looking at it again and again and following every lead, even if it's far-fetched until you come to the resolution. It's not easy. And there's over

10,000 hours of video, over 30,000, 30,000 tips, and they're still rolling in. So I want to make it very clear that, you know, this is, the perpetrators behind this are going to be walked down by law enforcement over time here. This is happening now. We will have a resolution come hell or high water. If you know, or if you think you know anything about Mrs. Guthrie's disappearance, please dial 800-225-5-3-24-1-800-call FBI, or to remain anonymous 520882-7463. There is a $1.2 plus million-dollar reward for information leading to the whereabouts of Miss Nancy Guthrie. We remember an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Stephen Bruner, Calhoun County Sheriff's, Florida, passed away in the line of duty, leaving behind.

A grieving family died evacuating people from a forest fire. American hero, Deputy Sheriff Stephen Brunner. I want to thank our guests, but especially to you for being with us. And keeping the search for Nancy Guthrie alive. Good night, friend. This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.