Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Serial Killer Stalking Albuquerque, Body Count Rising

Episode Date: August 9, 2022

Albuquerque police are on the lookout for a dark-colored Volkswagen that may be tied to the shooting deaths of four Muslim men. The vehicle is possibly a four-door,  VW Jetta or Passat.  Police say the car was seen at more than one of the shooting locations. The victims are 27-year-old Muhammad Afzaal Hussain, 41-year-old Aftab Hussein, 62-year-old Mohammad Ahmadi, and Naeem Hussain, 25.  Governmental agencies, including the FBI,  have joined the APD in investigating. A $30,000 reward is being offered for information leading to the arrest of those responsible for the killings. To report information, call Albuquerque Metro Crime Stoppers at 505-843-STOP (7867). Joining Nancy Grace Today: Muhammad Imtiaz Hussain - Muhammad Afzaal Hussain's brother Edward Ahmed Mitchell, Esq. - National Deputy Director, Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), CAIR.com, Twitter: @CAIRNational, @EdAhmedMitchell Jonathan M. Metzl, MD, PhD - Frederick B. Rentschler II Professor of Sociology and Medicine, Health, and Society, Director, Department of Medicine, Health, and Society, Professor of Psychiatry, Vanderbilt University (Nashville, TN), DyingOfWhiteness.com, JonathanMetzl.com, Twitter: @JonathanMetzl Dr. Tim Gallagher - Medical Examiner State of Florida PathcareMed.com, Lecturer: University of Florida Medical School Forensic Medicine, Founder/Host: International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference Paul Szych- Former Police Commander (Albuquerque, NM), APD Domestic Violence and Stalking Unit, Author: "StopHimFromKillingThem" on Amazon Kindle, StopHimFromKillingThem.com, Twitter: @WorkplaceThreat    Angel Salcedo - Reporter, KOAT-TV (Albuquerque, NM), KOAT.com   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. How many dead bodies, how many victims will it take literally getting gunned down on the street before the serial killer stalking Albuquerque is stopped? How many families will mourn their loved one? I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. First of all, take a listen to this. In New Mexico, a community in terror, fearing a possible serial killer is on the loose and gunning down Muslim men. After a string of what authorities are calling targeted killings across Albuquerque, police now on the hunt for this vehicle. If you see a dark colored

four-door sedan, Volkswagen, Passat, or Jetta, we encourage you to call the police. That is a freshly developed lead, a sixth generation Jetta, we believe, in a charcoal or dark gray color with New Mexico tags has become prominent in the search for a serial killer. You were just hearing our friend Erin McLaughlin at the Today Show. Joining me is an all-star panel to make sense of what we know right now. But as it stands, there are four four shooting victims whose cases have gone unsolved and unavenged as the family stands by wondering why. Who, you may ask, are the victims? Are they dope dealers out on the street? No. Are they miscreants of some sort? Are they fleeing a crime? No. One of the victims had just gotten his master's degree

and wanted to change the world by entering community relations and politics. One ran a business with his brother. His brother says, now my life means nothing without my brother. We came here for the American dream. And he was gunned down in cold blood. One victim had just left the funeral of another victim. Pure hate is the motive

in these killings. I don't have to prove a motive, but I don't have to search very far. All these men, sons, brothers, dead, and the case is cold. With me in all star panel to make sense of what we know right now, But first I want to go to a very special guest joining us. It is Muhammad Hussain. This is Afzal Hussain's brother. Sir, thank you for being with us. Thank you so much for having me.

It hurts me that you would even thank me. Yeah, it is very painful. It's really my honor having you on and I'm praying for an answer. Tell me about the moment

you learned your brother Afzal had been killed. This is very painful. You know our whole life was built on our brother. He was a pillar of our family. He was a rising star of our community. He was a student leader. He was a pillar of our family. He was a rising star of our community. He was a student leader.

He was a community organizer. He worked wherever he go. He went to university and he touched many hearts. He became student leader at University of New Mexico. He was president of Wage and Student Union, second Muslim in 150year history of University of New Mexico. Hold on. I want to let that soak in. He was the second what?

He was second Muslim student leader in the 150-year history of University of New Mexico. You know, Mr. Hussein, you're really striking a chord with me because, you know because my parents didn't get to get a college degree. And they were convinced, since we were little, if you can go to college, everything will be fine. And we worked our whole way through college, law school, grad degree, the whole time, and somehow thought that doing that would change our future, and I believe it did. And I'm thinking about your brother going through school, I believe. Didn't he get his master's degree? He got his master's degree, and after that, briefly working for Melanie Stansbury,

he joined his job as a city planner and was promoted to director planning in the city of Espanola. And he was very happy that he said this is the city which has potential to grow, a city between San Francisco and Los Alamos. He said, I am working hard for the development of infrastructure studies, for working on different projects. He was very ambitious to make the city where he worked progressive, developed, and more advanced. Mr. Hussein, it's just striking me that he was doing everything right above and beyond to ensure success and a good life for him and your family. When did you learn he had been killed?

Oh God, that was very painful because he came from office around 7 o'clock and I and kids and he were here. And around 9.50 and 9.55, he got a call and he just stepped out of the apartment. And his wallet and his keys were here. We thought that he's just outside for a call. We didn't know that he got shot just after five minutes. But we didn't know that he got shot just after five minutes but we we didn't call after a couple of hours we called 911 and asked this is my brother is falling and responding and they confirmed that your brother got shot and i just said shot yeah he's deceased that's

very painful life fell apart so he was a pillar of our family. He's a rising star. What happened to him? He said, no, we can't tell anything. We'll tell you tomorrow. So, so far, but we can confirm the appearance that you provided or ID provided. Your brother is deceased. Who did that? Why did that? Why someone wanted to take his life? But what was more horrible when I went to medical examiner to ask about his autopsy report odd people who live around when he was get killed he was killed multiple multiple shots he was killed from different direction he was ambushed someone waiting for him in the corner where he didn't have time to escape and he's when escaped they shot him seven eight ten times with different weapons

a handgun was used medical examiner said and a rifle was used he said gentlemen a topsy-turkey i said do you have a topsy-turkey he said you will not have the patience to read that topsy-turkey it's horrible whoever wanted to kill him they wanted to finish him so that was a thing which create horror in my mind that there is someone who has that extreme hatred against him that they do not want him to breathe the guy who live in front of house where he got shot he came outside he said after five minutes and he said he was already gone before police came it was just a couple of minutes he said, after five minutes. And he said he was already gone. Before police came, it was just a couple of minutes. He said there was blood around, and he just

only took two or three minutes. Oh, Mr. Hussain, I am so sorry. And for everyone, for everyone listening, you know, it's so easy to think, to Dr.

Jonathan Metzl joining us, professor of sociology and medicine, health and society, professor of psychiatry at Vanderbilt. Dr. Metzl, it's so easy for everyone to think, oh, well, this happened in Albuquerque. This was a hate crime against a Muslim man. That has nothing to do with me. That's not true. Here we've got this guy who's gone all the way through university with flying colors, got his master's degree.

He's working as a city planner in the city planner's office. He just steps outside and bam, somebody shoots him with two weapons. This could happen to anyone. And there is a serial killer attacking males in Albuquerque. We cannot disassociate ourselves from what Mr. Hussein and others are suffering. Well, I agree completely. I mean, it's just horrific and unifying and so deeply, deeply tragic on so many levels. On one hand, I think it's important to note that relatively speaking, Albuquerque has been a relative American success story in terms of

welcoming immigrants to the community. They've got a lot of people from Pakistan, Afghanistan, other places. And what we see in these stories is the power of that kind of welcoming narrative. People come to this country. They work hard. They give back, right? The other victims in this case started companies or were just becoming citizens, were giving back in so many different ways. And so, in a way, again, we don't know what has happened at this moment. But it does seem like the attack is not just on these four people. It's an attack on the idea that people

can come here and work hard and contribute. And we've seen it in Albuquerque before. There was an attempt to burn down a mosque last year. Oh, I'm so glad you reminded me of that, Dr. Metzl. I had not added in the attack on the mosque. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Joining me right now in addition to Dr. Metzl and Afzal's brother, Muhammad Hussein, another very special guest, and Angel Salcido. Joining me KOAT. I'm going to get right with you because I need to hear your facts. But I want to go to Edward Ahmed Mitchell,

National Deputy Director, Council on American Islamic Relations. Mr. Mitchell, I think I know what's going on. There is someone directing their rage on Muslim men. Fathers, brothers, sons. I mean, everybody in this country is an immigrant, almost. My ancestors came over broke and starving out of Ireland to make a go of it. So the fact that this hatred is directed to these men, Very, very disturbing, Mr. Mitchell. Absolutely, Nancy.

You know, look, over the past 10, 20 years, the American Muslim community has had to deal with hate crimes, hate speech, mosque being burned down, Muslim women having their hijabs ripped off. So we're not unaccustomed to dealing with that sort of violence. But what we appear to be seeing in Albuquerque is somewhat an unprecedented notion that four different Muslim men could be killed over the course of nine months. And right on the street, Mr. Mitchell, I mean, I know you're a lawyer. I don't know if you've practiced criminal law or not, but the M.O., modus operandi, method of operation, I mean, they're not even ashamed. They're out shooting these men dead right out on the street with impunity. Yeah, and I was a prosecutor before I was a civil rights attorney. And so, yeah, it's unbelievable, Nancy.

And what's really unbelievable is the person is still at large at this point. We're happy there's a full federal response now. The FBI is working with the local authorities. They're making some progress. But whoever is doing this has to be stopped. And again, we have our suspicions about what the motive is, given that all four men were Muslim of a similar ethnic background, working, living, worshiping in the same area, all just targeted on the street. But we won't know for sure until the person is caught. Whoever they are, what they're doing is evil, and they have got to be stopped. You just said something in my mind, very probative.

And I want to go to another special guest that I know very well. Paul Zyke, former police commander in Albuquerque, author of Stop Him From Killing Them on Amazon. Paul, so great to have you with us. Paul. Thank you. I fully expect we're going to learn that the killer was at or around the funeral of one of the other victims. Because we've got one victim at the funeral, leaves the funeral funeral and then shortly after is murdered? I think that's very reasonable to assume.

I mean, one of the things that serial killers almost always are is very methodical. You know, they stalk before they actually take action. The ambush style that these killings have taken place. They're hunting. They're hunting a deer. Absolutely. It fits right into that category. And I'd also just like to say, Mr. Hussein, my heart goes out to you as a fellow Albuquerque

citizen and a fellow human being and a member of the law enforcement community. My prayers are with you and your family. I do agree, Nancy, with everything you're saying. You know, the methodology of these killings, the MO, as you said, modus operandi, you know, over the last, these four killings have something very in common. And we've seen this before. This is, you know, years ago. I mean, we had a mass grave site here. I mean, we still do. We have a memorial there where 11 women were found in a mass grave. So this is something that's not completely new to Albuquerque, unfortunately.

To you, Angel Salcido joining us, investigative reporter KOAT in Albuquerque. So great to have you on with us, Angel. And I wish we could meet under better circumstances one of these days. But I can't help but wondering, has there been a ballistics match? I mean, I need you to start at the beginning and go from there. But just right off the top of the bat, we need to connect the killer. I've got no doubt it is the same killer based on the MO and the victim's similarities. But can we not trace the weapon? Do we know the weapon? Well, there are so many questions here, Nancy.

You would think with the first murder coming last November, that murder was actually connected to what happened on August 1st. Those two were the first two that were connected. It basically started the chain, the domino effect, if you will, into this investigation. And you would think that there has to be something that connected something that was a year ago, almost a year ago. Barely 10 months. Right. And I think another major question here is why aren't law enforcement identifying this as a hate crime?

And I think it doesn't take a genius or a rocket scientist to see that this is a highly motivated and a targeted attack. But what they're trying to figure out is motivated by what? Hate. Hate. Angel. And another thing, the state doesn't have to prove motive. But you're right, Angel Salcido, because if I can determine motive, which is obviously hate crime, then it may help me identify the killer. I'm going to circle back to you on the most recent development regarding that sixth generation Volkswagen Jetta, charcoal and color, New Mexico plates.

I want to figure that out. But the bullets, the bullets, and I find it so evil and so hateful. Back to Mohammed Hussein, the brother of Afzal. The one I've been talking to you about that was working in the community planner's office. But there are three other victims we're going to talk about. It's like twisting the knife

because not only does the killer murder another victim, but it's like, hey, you go to the funeral mourning one of my victims, I'm going to murder you right after that. While you're still grieving one victim, I'm going to murder another victim. It's twisting the knife.

When my brother got shot, he was known to everyone, congresswomen and congressmen here, including our mayor and governor and people started raising voice. We made a peaceful session in his funeral and raised voice that, please, my brother will not come back. But we want to catch those shooters. We do want no other brother, sister, mom or dad become victim of that. I and all city administration, congresspeople and city of Eskimo administration, police chiefs, all were there. But look what happened. At the same night, a guy who attended the funeral got shot.

That is something serious, that those who are shooters, they have no deterrence of police. They have no fear that their law enforcement agencies are working here. They have no fear that someone is going to catch him. None whatsoever. No fear. No fear. Guys, we have been talking to Afzal's brother, Mohammed Mtyaz Hussein. There are three other victims. Take a listen to our friends at Today. The latest victim was shot dead Friday. Authorities have yet to name him, but his family identifying him as 25-year-old Naeem Hussein. His brother-in-law telling NBC News,

Naeem's friends found his body around midnight in a parking lot east of the city. They went, approached the vehicle and saw Naeem and they opened the door. As soon as they touched him he slouched over and fell over. And was he shot multiple times? The friends that saw the body they said it was a head shot so I don't know if it was a single shot or if it was multiple shots. Joining me is a renowned medical examiner for the entire state of Florida, Dr. Tim Gallagher. Not only is he a lecturer at University of Florida Medical School, but he is the founder and host of the International Forensic Medicine Death Investigation Conference. Dr. Gallagher, the MOs are hard to mistake.

Headshots, multiple shootings, two weapons in public places. No, you're absolutely right. And he does make a good point that the killer was there. They were specifically targeted. They were organized. There were two weapons used. And they have no fear of reprisal. They have no fear of the law enforcement agency you know so these are people who um you know obviously have done this before obviously have thought about it and obviously are very organized take a listen again to our friends from today hours before his murder naeem had attended the funeral service mourning two of the other murder victims, Mohammed Afzal Hussein and Aftab Hussein. Both shot and killed days before in separate attacks.

I remember seeing him at the funeral and all I told him was, hey, just look out, be careful. All three were from Pakistan, all with the last name Hussein. Authorities now circling back to see if those murders are in any way linked to the Albuquerque killing of muhammad ahmadi in november of last year gunned down outside his family's store speaking of muhammad ahmadi take a listen to our friends aka ob4 sharif ahmadi hadhi owns ariana halal marketing cafe here at san mateo and Mountain. He says his brother,

Mohammed Zaheer Ahmadi, was a wonderful person. Why? Why they are shooting Muslims? Does that make you angry? Of course I'm angry. I don't care. He's not my brother. Why they kill human beings? Zaheer was killed here November 7th. The suspect didn't even wait until late at night. Officers say they responded at 6 41 p.m. 6 41 p.m. November 7 was just getting dark. Take a listen to more from our friends at KOB4. Sharif says his brother Zaheer just came outside to smoke a cigarette when an attacker ambushing Zaheer and shooting and killing him. Sharif says his brother Zaheer just came outside to smoke a cigarette when an attacker, ambushing

Zaheer and shooting and killing him, Sharif says he then had to clean his brother's blood off his own sidewalk. And somebody came and shoot him right behind his head. He says nothing inside the shop was touched this was not a robbery why they did this was he's against nobody i'm trying to get that visual out of my head where the brother is literally cleaning the blood off the sidewalk at their meat business. I've listened very carefully what the brother has to say, and he says his own life means nothing to him anymore.

To Angel Salcido joining us from KOAT, the two brothers had come to our country seeking the so-called American dream and had built this business up from scratch. They devoted all their time to the business that they ran together, right? Yeah, that's correct, Nancy. It's hard to imagine, right? I mean, less than 1% of New Mexico is made up of people who identify with Islam religion. And just to think that three, four hate crimes, three in the span of two weeks could, I don't want to say they are hate crimes, but they could be hate crimes in just the small city of Albuquerque is just a little bit jarring.

Now, very curious. I want to go to Paul Zeich joining us, former police commander in Albuquerque. I was listening to what the brother, Muhammad Zahir Ahmadi, said, and he says, quote, came and shot him right behind his head. That sounds like he's referring to a point blank shooting, which means theert would have had to get out of his car. Yes, that would very strongly infer that. It's also, you know, an organized, almost gang style shooting where somebody is firing point blank. There's going to be evidence to support that, obviously, through forensics, but for sure that definitely point a strong picture of the brazenness of these individuals. Daylight, they don't care. Out in front of the street,

they don't care. In an alley, everything's got video cameras, they don't care. Geographically, the clustering of these locations is also something that is very significant. So you take the, you know, the 1% that was previously stated of, you know, Albuquerque being of Muslim descent on top of the geographical clustering of these events, on top of the fact that they're occurring in the same manner, you know, multiple weapons. And it's almost impossible not to draw the conclusion. When you say the geographical clustering of locations, how close together geographically are the shootings?

They're in one section of Albuquerque. Ten blocks, five blocks, three blocks. What are we talking about? Some ten, some five, you name it. There are a little bit of variance in there, but when you look at one area of our city, it's divided into mainly four quadrants. Southeast is one of those quadrants. To have all these scenes play out with all the other commonalities, it's almost impossible to excuse the fact that, yeah, these are targeted. It's specific towards a certain type of individual.

And these folks are out there looking for that. And they're active. You know, I'm curious, Paul Zay and Angel Cecito, if either of you know the answer to this. Angel joining us from KOAT TV. This is a business area. Where are the surveillance video cams? I'm sure, Nancy, that there are a lot of video sources that aren't yet being released to us during the investigation, just to try not to interfere with that investigation. Well, that's probably where they got the Angel, where they got the Volkswagen Jetta idea from.

Yes. And just to put this in perspective, Nancy, if you don't mind, police channels, especially here in the metro, Albuquerque police are now encrypting their dispatch traffic to just try and, Nancy, if you don't mind, police channels, especially here in the metro, Albuquerque police are now encrypting their dispatch traffic to just try and, again, safeguard this investigation, right? You don't know who these suspects are. You don't know if they have access to dispatch traffic. And this has become an investigation that is also joined by the Federal Bureau of Investigations. So I'm sure there is a lot of information, a lot of video that will come out in the future

that has not yet been released to us. Guys, I've told you about Afzal Hussein, his brother, Mohammed, and Tiaz Hussein is joining us, the city planner. I've told you about Naeem Hussein. I've told you about Zaheer Ahmadi, who started a business,

a meat business with his brother, just gunned down the sidewalk outside the business. But there is also Aftab Hussein. Take a listen to our friends at GNA. Muhammad Afzal's family is in mourning after the 27-year-old was found shot to death Monday night near Cornell and Garfield, less than a block from where he lived. Muhammad was my youngest brother and he was very active, a lively person and was much involved in community. Afzal's brother, along with his two young nephews, were staying with him at the time of his death. He says around 9 Monday night, Afzal went outside. A couple of hours went by and Afzal was still gone. So his brother called 911. Police told him his brother was dead. What can you tell me, Angel Cecito, K-O-A-T-T-V, about Aftab?

Well, as it pertains to Aftab, he was killed on July 26th. He also has the last name Hussein, which is definitely jarring considering the last three murders have been Hussein with different spellings, I should say. Aftab was spelled with an E-I-N instead of A-I-N. Aftab Hussein's brother has just been photoed crying over his brother's grave. I've worked at a local cafe, and he was gunned down on the sidewalk outside of his own home. Take a listen to our friend Madison Connor at CBS. The latest murder victim, a young man from South Asia, shot Friday night. Last Monday, 27-year-old Mohammed Afzal Hussein was gunned down. 41-year-old Aftab Hussein was killed on July 26. Both men were Muslim and from Pakistan.

In all three cases, police say the men were ambushed with no warning. Authorities are also looking into the November 2021 killing of Mohammed Ahmadi. The FBI now assisting Albuquerque police to see if they are all connected. There is now a $20,000 reward being offered for information leading to an arrest in this investigation. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace You know, I'm thinking a lot about the families we are not hearing from. Joining me is Afzal Hussein's brother, Muhammad. Mr. Hussein, tell me what cops are telling you about their investigation.

So far, after the murder of my brother and the recent murder of Naeem Nusayn, the cops have so far revealed a picture of a vehicle that is potentially used in all these crimes. So it's a grave Volkswagen Jetta or Passat. So who are those people? what kind of weapons. They know that the same kind of bullet shells were recovered from all these locations, which can create a relationship that there is one serial killer or one group who is killing. Other than that, police and FBI didn't tell any other detail. Either they have identified any person either the person who is shooting is as any race is he Asian or is white or black or whoever is person so far except the vehicle has been identified no other details have been relieved from APD here

African Police Department or FBI. Joining me, Edward Mitchell, the National Deputy Director of Council on American Islamic Relations. Mr. Mitchell, certainly the feds have developed a profile, and let me just guess it's going to be a white male in the 40s to 50s who has voiced in the 40s to 50s, who has voiced in the past hatred toward Muslim Americans. That's our suspicion. Obviously, we don't know for sure, but all signs currently point in that direction. I mean, the fact that they were all Muslim, all visibly people of color, all killed in that same area, you know, it's hard to imagine what else could be at play other than anti-Muslim bigotry. And if it is anti-Muslim bigotry, then yeah,

the profile is usually something very clear, as you described. And there's usually a history of anti-Muslim remarks, often on the internet. And in fact, right now, Nancy, if you go online, you can find anti-Muslim extremists celebrating these killings in the comments section of anti-Muslim websites, praising whoever the killer is and encouraging them to do more. So this sort of hatred is out there in society, and random Muslims are being victimized potentially because of that hatred. And this is not, I mean, obviously this had a horrific impact on the families of victims, but the entire Albuquerque Muslim community has also been affected

by this, right? Afraid to go outside, afraid to go to the mosque. And so this is something that is really impacting thousands of people because this killer is still at large. You know, you just reminded me of something. I remember when the D.C. snipers were

at large and I would fly in from New York to D.C. snipers were at large, and I would fly in from New York to D.C. at least twice a week to work with Larry King, and people were afraid to even go outside. Everybody was afraid because the victims were a cross-section. There was nobody identifiable, no one group. And I'm just imagining the fear that mothers and fathers are having sending their sons out on the street to go to school, to go to work, to step outside and have a cigarette for Pete's sake.

That's what happened in one of these cases. Another issue too, Dr. Jonathan Metzl joining us, Professor of Sociology and Professor of Psychiatry at Vanderbilt. Dr. Metzl, very often I've seen that the killer covets or hates that which he sees that makes me wonder if the killer doesn't live in this area i mean hold on angel salcido this is southeast albuquerque is there a very heavy muslim concentration there the most the muslim population in albuquerque is yes around that general area near the university of New Mexico is where that's concentrated. Correct. What does that tell you, Dr. Metzl, about our killer, the identity of the

killer? Well, I've studied mass shootings for the past 15 years. And I would say that in cases like this that are so targeted, there is some backstory. Often the backstory is different in every case. I mean, certainly I think hate is probably almost certainly the right term to use here. This is also a serial killer. It's a different kind of serial killer, right, than, you know, somebody who locks people in the basement. This is a serial killer who obviously also knows weaponry very well and is using high-capacity, you know, modern weapons in a way to –

it's kind of a sniper plus a mass shooting plus a serial killing all kind of mixed in together. And I agree with the other experts here that the level of organization is very high. Could you describe what you mean by that? Well, just the level of planning, the level of obviously research. I mean, this is somebody who is targeting people coming from funerals or targeting people from the last name, which suggests some kind of registry. And so there's some kind of methodical nature, I think, that kind of suggests what's happening here. But again, having studied this for a long time, you know, there was a shooter

recently who was targeting the homeless population in the East Coast. There was, there's obviously a lot of anti-Asian violence right now. And so the story often is there's, I agree with you, there's something in this person's background that's going to, that's going to light up. But we're not going to know what it is until we catch this killer. You know, Nancy, just to piggyback off of that, looking at the groupings, you know, it's very close to I-40, which is a huge freeway that comes through our city and intersects with I-25. And the entire grouping is just to the southeast of those intersections where they come together. And they're along major thoroughfares.

So, yes, the grouping is super important for us. But the accessibility in and out quickly into that geographical area. Yeah, they hop on the interstate in 10 minutes. They're gone which leads me to red light cams any toll cams video i and also to understand if they can get a video of the vw why can't they enhance it and get a a line on the driver or or even the license plate right i mean here in new mexico you don't have plates on the front it's only on the back so that kind of limits things a little bit

um and and as far as the the person itself a lot of these cameras that are attached to buildings are low resolution then you know they're really not enhanced but we do have department of transportation cameras that all tie into one real-time crime center where this information can be piped in and that's all happening real-time. Take a listen to our friend Ariana Kraft at KRQE. Police on Sunday said they have identified this vehicle of interest and officials, including Albuquerque's mayor, are pledging increased patrols around mosques. Among those living in fear of further attacks is Muhammad Imtiaz Hussein, the brother of victim Muhammad Afzal Hussein. It's painful. We're in shock. We cannot go out

of our house. My kids, whenever they step out of my room, they start crying. We didn't have any fear. Now it is super painful. With me, Imtiaz Hus's saying this is Afzal's brother. What do you mean your children start crying when you leave the house? Yeah, it's very difficult when I go outside of my house. They run after me and say, where are you going? I can stand in my balcony and I can go out just if I forgot something in my car, I said, let me go pick. They said, no, don't go there. And all the time they look around windows that if something can happen from there. And I have a little daughter.

We didn't tell her. She's just five. And she said, hey, why are you crying all the time? Where is our uncle? But then why you start crying? Are you crying, baby? So I don't know what to tell her. So this is very fearful.

Not only me or us in particular, the whole entire Muslim community who live around here, many of them didn't go to work for the last couple of days. They didn't go for grass feet. Now they have canceled their meetings or gatherings. They're not going for a walk. They are just staying home and no one is coming out at night time. The tip line 505

843 stop 505 843 7867 There is a $30,000 reward now for anyone that can help solve these murders. We wait as justice unfolds.

Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.