Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Sex addict preacher's son leaves bloody death trail at Atlanta massage parlors; 8 dead

Episode Date: March 18, 2021

A bloody shooting rampage began outside Atlanta at Young’s Asian Massage in Cherokee County Georgia and continued south to Atlanta proper. Eight people died, mostly Asian women, in three massage par...lors. Police say they quickly identified Robert Long after putting out surveillance photos of the gunman and Robert Long’s family contacted them.Long was arrested more than 100 miles south of Atlanta, while on his way to Florida to continue his killing spree.    Joining Nancy Grace Today: James Shelnutt - 27 years Atlanta Metro Area Major Case Detective, Swat officer Lawyer www.ShelnuttLawFirm.com Dr. Bethany Marshall - Psychoanalyst, www.drbethanymarshall.com, New Netflix show: 'Bling Empire'  Bobby Chacon - Former FBI, Facebook tv Show “Curse of Akakor” BobbyChacon@fbiretired.com Dr. Kendall Crowns – Deputy Medical Examiner Travis County, Texas (Austin) Levi Page - Crime Online Investigative Reporter, Host, "Crime and Scandal" True Crime Podcast, YouTube.com/LeviPageTV Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an iHeart Podcast. Eight dead at three separate so-called massage parlors. Was it a hate crime? What do you need? We need a robbery here. That guy, that's why we need to put all police, you know. Is there a robbery there? Yeah. Okay, is this the house department or business?
Starting point is 00:00:41 Cold spa. I can't hear you. Cold spa. Okay. All right, You have a description of a male? Do you have a description of him, ma'am? Is it a male or female? They have a gun, he said. Yeah, I should not be a contest. Where is he at in the building? This is a gorgeous spot. I know. Where's the person who is robbing the spot? Where is he right now? I don't know. I'm hiding right now. Okay. Did you have a description of him? Did you see him? Oh, yeah. Just a white guy.
Starting point is 00:01:30 A white male? What is he wearing? I don't know. Please come, okay? Just FYI, talking more and more loudly does not help anyone. And here you've got this poor woman hiding in one of these massage parlors, hiding in a closet or a cabinet. She's whispering. And the 911 operator is asking, you know, what the perp is wearing. You know, one more word could have alerted the perp to her location, and she'd end up dead too. That is just the tip of the iceberg.
Starting point is 00:02:13 Take a listen to more of that 911 call. Tell me exactly what happened. I don't know yet, but I just got a call from one of my friends, The lady is not passed out. She's dead. but I need the ambulance or something over there in that location, please. The lady is not passed out. She's dead. One of eight dead after a violent, bloody rampage, a revenge massacre. Take a listen to the 911 call. Some guy came in and call. Again, she's not passed out. She's dead.
Starting point is 00:03:32 With me, an all-star panel to try to apply logic to an illogical massacre. 27 years, Metro Major Case joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction, SWAT as well. Now lawyer, James Shelnut at ShelnutLawFirm.com. Psycho Annalyst joining us from Beverly Hills, star of the new Netflix series Bling Empire at DrBethanyMarshall.com Dr. Bethany Marshall, former
Starting point is 00:03:53 FBI star of a Facebook TV show, Curse of Accor. You can find him at Bobby Chacon at FBIRetired.com Bobby Chacon joining us. Deputy Medical Examiner from Travis County, that's Austin, Texas, Dr. Kendall Crowns. But first, to CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter, host of Crime and Scandal True Crime podcast, Levi Page.
Starting point is 00:04:18 Levi, take a listen to our friend Mark Strassman at CBS. This rampage began here. Young's Asian massage in Cherokee County, Georgia. A gunman with a 9mm shot four people dead, two of them Asian women. 52 minutes later, another 911 call. They have a gun, he said? Yeah.
Starting point is 00:04:39 More gunshots, 30 miles south in Atlanta. The Gold Spa advertises 24-7 massages and police say operates legally. Three more Asian women were murdered here. It's not really making any sense how this happens at a massage spa. Responding police then got this call. Female passed out after hearing shot fire. Yet another shooting, a third homicide scene. Right across the street, inside the aromatherapy spa, the final victim was another Asian woman. How were these particular massage parlors targeted? Take a listen to our Cut 16. This is Jackie Howard at CrimeOnline.com. USA Today reports Young's Asian Massage Parlor, Gold Spa, and Aromatherapy are all three listed on Rubmaps.ch. That's an erotic review site that allows
Starting point is 00:05:35 users to search for and review illicit massage parlors. The site is very popular and it's a site where buyers who call themselves hobbyists or mongers go to find sex. That's according to a study by Polaris, a non-profit group that operates the National Human Trafficking Hotline. All three spas that were attacked were on something called rubmaps.ch. What is it? An erotic review site allowing users to search and review illicit massage parlors. Now, you heard that police say all these massage parlors were functioning legally. Well, not according to this website. A lot more to find out. Let's bring in the all-star panel. Back to you, you Levi Page CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter
Starting point is 00:06:25 how did the whole thing start? So Nancy there are three massage parlors that were targeted Young's Asian Massage, Bold Spa and Aroma Therapy. This started Tuesday around 5 p.m. at Young's Asian Massage in Ackworth, Georgia, in Cherokee County, Georgia. And that's where four people were gunned down there at that spa. And there was another person, a 30-year-old, that was walking past the parlor to a money exchange business who was shot. He was injured. But lived.
Starting point is 00:07:03 Hanging on by a thread. We are hearing a lot about the two Asian women gunned down dead at the first spa. There were two Asian women, but there's also a white woman and a white man at Young's Asian Massage, and a Hispanic man was coming out of one of the other businesses not there in the spa that ended up getting gunned down as well. Guys, take a listen to our cut eight. This is Joe Ripley at 11 Alive. In Gabby's Boutique next door, that's where I spoke with one of the store's owners, Rita Barone. She told me she heard what sounded like a loud thump yesterday, telling me she's feeling sad and shaken up today. She knew the victims as well, saying the owner of the massage parlor was killed and other victims shopped at her store. Barone and her husband showed me exactly where a bullet
Starting point is 00:07:54 tore through their store wall, and the owners say surveillance footage showed the suspected gunman sitting outside in his vehicle for about an hour before the shooting started. What did it sound like? Like a bang. I think, oh, something happened. Maybe they dropped something very, very hard, but I don't know what's a bullet. The white male and white female were a married couple that were there getting a couple's massage. The other women, I believe, worked there.
Starting point is 00:08:24 That was at Young's Asian Massage. And I find it very interesting to you, James Shelnut, former law enforcement, 27 years in this jurisdiction, that the guy sat out in his vehicle for over an hour. And if you look at the video surveillance, which I have, he's not even trying to cover his face. He did have on a hoodie, but he didn't even try to conceal his identity. No, I mean, and this is something that he had planned out. This is not something that he woke up one morning and said, you know, I'm going to go and attack these massage parlors and kill as many people as I can. This is something that had gone on and he had resolved more than likely that he was either going to be captured or killed. And it didn't matter to him based off the state of mind he was
Starting point is 00:09:09 probably in. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. For those of you just joining us, a violent, deadly rampage rips through the Atlanta community when a young 21-year-old man, now identified as Robert Aaron Long, attacks not one, not two, but three massage parlors, clearly identifying Asian sex workers. What else do we know? Take a listen to our Cut 12. This is Jackie Howard, Crime Online. 21-year-old Robert Long is initially identified through surveillance camera footage from one of the crime scenes.
Starting point is 00:09:57 Footage from area businesses shows the suspected gunman outside Young's Asian Massage. Long's SUV is seen entering the spa's strip mall parking lot around 4.50 p.m. The first 911 call comes in around 5 p.m. Police posted images of Long and his vehicle. Soon after, Long's parents reached out to police identifying their son. That tip helped police track Long's cell phone. After the shooting, the suspected gunman headed south to Florida down Interstate 75. Around 8 p.m., the Crisp County Sheriff got word that a murder suspect out of North Georgia was getting close to entering the county. Just 30 minutes later, Georgia State Patrol troopers performed a maneuver on Long's SUV that caused it to spin out of control. Back to you, Shelnut.
Starting point is 00:10:44 What maneuver do you think they used? Do you think they threw down sticks? What do you think they did? No, a pit maneuver is a trained technique that's trained by law enforcement. Two law enforcement officers to disable a vehicle by using the patrol vehicle. And what that means is that you come alongside the vehicle that you're pursuing, the front right quarter panel or front left quarter panel meets the back quarter panel of their car. It pushes over and causes the car to go into a spin and causes the driver to lose control
Starting point is 00:11:16 and typically either hit something on the roadway or slide off the roadway, causing the pursuit to come to an end most of the time. Could you repeat that in slow-mo? Go ahead. Yes, a pit maneuver is a trained law enforcement technique where a law enforcement officer uses his or her vehicle to spin out the vehicle that they're pursuing. You said something about hitting the front right fender, I believe? Yeah, so the officers use either the front right or front left quarter panel of their car to hit the rear quarter panel of the car that they're pursuing. And that causes
Starting point is 00:11:52 the car to break traction and to spin out of control. So they basically ram the car and one of the back rear fenders and caused the car to spin out. That's exactly what happened here, Shelnut. As a matter of fact, we now believe this defendant was on his way, I think, down either 75 or 85, likely 75, I-75 to Florida to attack more massage parlors. That's what they know. The interstate between Atlanta and Valdosta and on to Florida
Starting point is 00:12:30 dotted with truck stop massage parlors, as we all know. But very, very curious. To Bobby Chacon, former FBI, star of Facebook TV show Curse of Acocor. Bobby, the guy didn't even try to hide his face. He was brazen. What does that tell you? Well, it tells me that he's been thinking about this for a while, that he had his plan in place. You know, he thought through it.
Starting point is 00:13:00 He wasn't trying to get away with it. He knew that, like we said earlier, it was either going to end in his own death by cop or by his capture. So I think he just resolved himself that this was the day he was going to do this. I don't know how long in advance he had been planning it, but it seemed he had a certain level of resolve that he was sitting there and waiting. Now, he could have been, you know, he frequented some of these places, we think. So, you know, he could have been waiting for a lull in the amount of people. He could have waited for a particular person that he knew worked there to go in. We don't know that particular part yet.
Starting point is 00:13:34 But it does indicate a certain level of resolve that he's sitting there, as you said, not trying to hide himself, not trying to get away with anything. He knows that his car is in plain view of video cameras. He's not trying to cover his face, trying to get away with anything. He knows that his car is in plain view of video cameras. He's not trying to cover his face, although he had a hoodie on. So all of these things indicate that certainly he knew what he was going to do. He planned it. He took the steps to carry it out. And that's what we see. And fortunate law enforcement got to him, you know, in the middle of this massacre or, you know, the body count could have been much higher. You know, when we were talking earlier with Sheldon about the pit maneuver, there are a lot of ways that train law enforcement stop a fleeing vehicle.
Starting point is 00:14:18 They can throw down sticks in front of the vehicle that then ripped the tires as the vehicle goes over. Nobody really knew where this guy was headed or what he intended to do, but law enforcement in Crisp County, I believe it was, Shell Nut, did the pit, and they stopped this guy, and there's no telling how many lives they saved, because this guy says he was going to Florida to shoot even more sex workers, but there are a lot of massage parlors along the way. Have you ever driven that very lonely stretch of highway? There are a lot of massage parlors
Starting point is 00:14:59 and adult novelty stores. Many times, she'll not want to have the twins in the car, and we'd be going south to Florida. I'd distract them so they wouldn't see the giant billboards about adult novelties. I was not ready to explain what are adult novelties to a six-year-old. So I'd go, oh, look over there. Is that Batman in the sky?
Starting point is 00:15:22 Same thing with all the massage parlors. So he may not have made it to Florida. There's so many to pick from, which goes back to a theory of human trafficking. But the Crisp County sheriffs or law enforcement had it right, Shelnut. Oh, they did. And, you know, I mean, he could have continued this killing spree for a very long time. We're very fortunate there weren't a number of other victims in this situation. We're very fortunate that even in the car chase itself that someone else wasn't injured or killed,
Starting point is 00:15:55 some innocent person going down the interstate. And to take this guy out by using a pit maneuver and to force his vehicle off the roadway was exactly the right decision. The Crisp County Sheriff and Georgia State Patrol did a great job and ended this before we had more innocent victims. They really did. And a little known fact about using a pit, you can lose your own life trying to stop another speeding vehicle hell bent on more destruction down the interstate because that person, they don't care if they live or die and they'll take you straight to hell with them. If you try to stop their car. So I got my hats off to the Crisp County law enforcement that performed the pit and got this guy. Who is this guy? We know his own family helped catch him.
Starting point is 00:16:45 Take a listen to Mark Strassman, CBS. Long's family helped catch him. They recognized him in this surveillance photo posted on social media and alerted deputies who arrested him 150 miles south of Atlanta. When police finally arrested Long, he was heading to Florida, and he told detectives when he got there, he was planning more shootings. You know, to you, Dr. Bethany Marshall, this guy is brazen. He's only caught by a pit maneuver, risking law enforcement life to stop him. And he's saying, hey, I wasn't done yet. Eight dead people were not enough for me.
Starting point is 00:17:29 I wanted to kill more people. And he admits that to police. He still doesn't get what he did was wrong. Nancy, he doesn't care that what he did was wrong. He doesn't care if he's going to go to jail or even if he dies himself. As one of the panelists pointed out, he just wanted to kill. And remember, Nancy, whether it's the mass murderer, the serial killer, you know, they always choose the most vulnerable victims in society. They don't go after the president of the United States or the school principal or, you know, people at the banker, the local banker. They go after sex workers,
Starting point is 00:18:04 people who have been separated from their families, who are working on low or minimum wages or tips, people who are disenfranchised, women who are actually ashamed sometimes of the work that they are doing or have been sex trafficked. So they do not have any source of support in their life. Who did he pick? This particular population. It's easy for him to say he's a sex addict and this is why he went and did it. I think that's just a rationalization. It's a little bit like somebody going into a school and shooting up a bunch of kindergartners. They're vulnerable too. So he didn't care. He wanted to take out as many people as possible in as small an area as possible.
Starting point is 00:18:56 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about this horrible massacre that has gone down in the Atlanta area. Bethany, I'm so mad. I swear I could chew a nail in half. You think these women want to work as a sex worker and a massage parlor? They might smile in your face because they want tips. Many of them are here as sex traffic victims. They don't have a passport. They don't have a driver's license.
Starting point is 00:19:34 They got nothing. And then they've got to have sex acts in the back of some seedy massage parlor to make a living. They can't really speak the language. They're uneducated. They're separated from their family. They've been lied to to come to this country, most likely. And they are the most, along with children, are some of the most disadvantaged people in our society. And I will never get over, as long as I live, Bethany,
Starting point is 00:20:14 and I've told a hundred juries this, the powerful, those more cunning than others, those with no conviction, no morals, no empathy will forever take advantage of the weak. And that is what we are seeing here. A lot has been made about this guy being so religious and his dad was a youth pastor and his mom worked at the church, organizing events. I don't give a flying fig about that. What I care about is what he did to these women and planned to do more. What did that make you feel like, Bethany, the big guy coming in and making the petite little lady hide in the cabinet, whispering to 911? That's absolutely it. It makes me sick. There was a big expose in the cabinet whispering to 911. That's absolutely it.
Starting point is 00:21:06 It makes me sick. There was a big expose in the New York Times. A big expose in the New York Times about sex workers and these massage partners. In a particular one person whose whole family was starving in Thailand, she married a white guy, came over. He became disabled. She went to work in a sex parlor because at this point she had like eight family members relying on her eventually her husband died she was all alone with no income and the police came after her to arrest
Starting point is 00:21:36 her for being a sex worker and she's suicided she killed herself because she had so much shame over being a sex worker. And it was basically she suicided by jumping out of a six story window. And because she had endured years of abuse at the hands of her patrons, she did not want to be a sex worker, but it was the only way to support her family in the home country. It was a devastating piece. And it's true. It's true. These women. home country. It was a devastating piece. And that's the face of these
Starting point is 00:22:06 women. And it happens every day. When you ride by these massage parlors, what do you think's going on in there? It's not just sex. Some woman is being taken advantage of. And it's so easy for us to say, oh, well, that's what she wants.
Starting point is 00:22:22 It's not like that. You think that's what they want? I don't know what world you're living in if that's what you think. I mean, Bobby Chacon, former FBI, I've seen it all. I've been in massage parlors, strip joints, whorehouses, you name it. Out on the street where hookers are trying to pick up people on the street. None of them that I have ever met. Some of them may have bravado and, you know, toss it off. That's not what they want.
Starting point is 00:22:51 They don't know of another way to make a living. Yeah, it's a crime and it should be a crime. Man, I feel so bad for them. And now this, Chacon. Yeah, and I would say they're not even making a living. Most of their money is going to the trafficker. They often live together in these huddled small places. You know, there is the rare occasion when they will have a family or something like that,
Starting point is 00:23:13 but many times they're living in squalid conditions, and the money they're making, the overwhelming majority of their money making, is not going to them. You know, in working trafficking cases, you can see it in their eyes when you go into these places, the fear, the intimidation, you know, and it's a horrific thing. And these websites, like you mentioned in your story earlier, where these guys get on there and they tell you which ones to go to and which women to see, they name them by name and which acts you can negotiate. I mean,
Starting point is 00:23:45 it's horrific and it's supporting, you know, this trafficking industry that's going on. And, you know, these are the horrific consequences. You know, from what I understand back to you, Levi Page, CrimeOnline.com investigative reporter, one of his roommates stated that he had been in treatment for sex addiction and that he was angry with himself because he relapsed at a massage parlor. What, if anything, do you know about that? That is true, Nancy. And when police apprehended him, they said that he told him, Long, the shooter, that he targeted the sex parlors because he saw them as a temptation
Starting point is 00:24:24 and that he wanted to take the temptation away. You know, I'll never understand, Bethany Marshall, why killing the women was a way to take the temptation away. And he never would consider turning the gun on himself because he, in his mind, mind is so valuable or just stopping. I mean, I know it's hard to stop any addiction, cold turkey, but you know what? It can be done. You know, my dad started smoking when he was 11, 11 years old.
Starting point is 00:24:58 And he smoked until my mother and my dad had me with so many lung difficulties. He put out a cigarette and that was it. He didn't have money for rehab or Nicorette or anything like that. He quit. He did it. And I get it. It's hard to stop an addiction. But to go on a shooting rampage, don't start with me, Bethany Marshall,
Starting point is 00:25:27 about this guy's insane. Don't. Nancy, it seems a little like the incels, where they have their own psychological difficulties. They can't get women. They don't know how to operate normally in relationships, but they hate the women they cannot have. Although I don't think that quite fits this pattern either. I think there's another story here, Nancy. I would imagine there's either a woman that he started to become attracted to and she had to take on other clients or they maybe set limits. If he was a sex addict, maybe he was going there too often, not paying. I've never heard of a prostitute setting a limit about how many times a customer could come back.
Starting point is 00:26:13 So that's new to me. But let's think about how. So I do treat sex addiction in my Beverly Hills practice. And often when my patients talk about going to massage parlors, I feel so sorry for the women. I'm like, oh, dear God in heaven, what are these women going through? Because these men often notoriously have no idea about what's going on in the mind of other people. They only care about their own sex drive. Even in their most intimate interpersonal relationships, they have no theory about the emotions and the feelings of their wives and their girlfriends.
Starting point is 00:26:48 They're just always targeting something. So imagine you're the owner of a sex parlor and some young guy is coming in. It's going to be hard for me to imagine. With your sex workers. Well, imagine abuse towards your sex workers. Imagine. And of course, Bethany, catch this. His sex addiction was no secret. Take a listen again to our friend Jackie Howard at CrimeOnline.com.
Starting point is 00:27:14 In his confession to police, Long says he has issues with sexual addiction and may have, quote, frequented some of these places in the past. CNN reports that his addiction was also a point of friction with his family. According to a law enforcement source, the suspect said he was recently kicked out of the house by his family because of his addiction, which included frequently spending hours on end watching pornography online. An incident report from the Cherokee County Sheriff's Office states that an anonymous caller told dispatch the suspect was emotional after being kicked out. He's emotional because mommy and daddy kicked him out? After he sits in his bedroom all day long watching porn? What did he think was going to happen?
Starting point is 00:28:14 Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, eight people are dead because of this one guy. Take a listen to this. A former patient of Maverick Recovery, a rehab facility in Roswell, Georgia, has come forward saying he was housemates with Long. CNN reports Tyler Bayless as saying Long was being treated for sex addiction and that it tortured him. Bayless says Long is a deeply religious person and was distraught about his sex addiction, especially after Long admitted
Starting point is 00:28:45 that he had relapsed and gone to a massage parlor explicitly to engage in sex. Let me understand this. So he was kicked out, had been being treated for sex addiction, deeply religious, distraught, and he relapsed at one of these massage parlors. Okay, I'm getting the picture of exactly what's going on. I want to go now to special guest joining us, Dr. Kendall Crowns, Deputy Medical Examiner, Travis County, Texas. The fear, first of all, that these victims felt as they heard gunshots ringing out, first in Cherokee County at the first spa, Young's Asian Massage,
Starting point is 00:29:32 then 30 minutes south, you know, practically in the shadow of the Fulton County Courthouse, actually my old neighborhood where I lived when I was prosecuting, the Midtown Cheshire Bridge area where he attacked two more massage parlors. So these women had to hear the gunshots, and they were probably running, trying to hide, and they were gunned down like animals. What would they have physically felt? How long would it have taken them to bleed out?
Starting point is 00:30:06 I'm just imagining the one lady on 911 that the caller said had passed out. She was dead and she obviously knew what was happening to her. I can't imagine that. I can't imagine that feeling, Dr. Crowns. I don't want to imagine it. How long would she have lain there bleeding out because of this guy? It would depend on where she got shot. But on average, if it's a major blood vessel, it can take several minutes to bleed out. So you're going to be laying there basically slowly falling asleep while you hear the rampaging going on around you. Just thinking about what you just said, hearing the screams, the gunshots, attacking one store, then crossing the street, one parlor, then crossing the street to another. What pain would they have felt, Dr. Crown?
Starting point is 00:31:08 And also, if it was not a major artery, it would have taken them longer to die, more suffering. Yeah, that's correct. I mean, if it's not a major artery or not like your brain stem or your heart, it's going to take a while for you to die. And of course, the pain inflicted is the injury to the skin is where the majority of the pain is felt, but it is a significant amount of pain. So I don't think it would be pleasant at all, of course. You know, I've often heard that people, quote, go into shock when they're shot. Is that even possible?
Starting point is 00:31:46 I mean, I'm hoping it's possible, but I don't really put much stock into that, that they can't feel what's happening to them. Well, again, it's going to be dependent on where you're shot at. But you feel the pain, the sensation, the blood loss. Do you go into shock instantly? Maybe, depending on where you're hit. But, again, shock is a process of the blood loss and your body reacting to it. It isn't something that
Starting point is 00:32:10 happens instantaneously, but it takes more time for you to go into shock. So for most people, again, they're going to be laying there slowly bleeding out, going into shock for several minutes. Take a listen now to our cut seven. This is Brittany Klinpitter at 11 Alive. Police saying they quickly identified Robert Long as the suspect after they put out surveillance photos of the gunman and Long's family contacted them. Law enforcement said that they then used Long's phone to track him down and arrest him in Crisp County last night.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Today, he's being held at the Cherokee County Detention Center. Investigators telling NBC, Long purchased the gun legally yesterday in Georgia. In a press conference today, the Cherokee County Sheriff said Long has admitted to the crimes and told investigators he's a sex addict. He apparently has an issue, investigators he's a sex addict. He apparently has an issue, what he considers a sex addiction, and sees these locations as something that allows him to go to these places. And it's a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate.
Starting point is 00:33:22 Law enforcement also saying Long told them he was headed to Florida to commit similar crimes when he was arrested. So, Bethany, you're the shrink. All of these women, all these massage parlors, in his mind, were just in his orbit. He's the son, so he can swat down all of them in order to help himself get rid of his sex addiction. They're nothing to him. Nancy, it's like an alcoholic going into a bar and shooting the bartender. It really doesn't make sense, right? It only makes sense if you think about an extremely disturbed person who externalizes all of the responsibility for his actions. You know, often really disturbed
Starting point is 00:34:06 people have the mindset of the infant or the child. So think of the child who, you know, falls down, skins his knee, and then sort of looks around him as if something happened to him and then starts to cry, not as if he had poor balance and fell. So adults who are really disturbed, they externalize blame. They don't own their actions. But, Nancy, there's something more to the story. The hours watching porn, masturbating, the idea that he put so much energy into this, he may have either been a meth addict, because that's notorious with meth addiction or stimulant addiction, that people will spend hours looking at porn, or what we call dual
Starting point is 00:34:52 diagnosis, meaning there was a sex addiction, but some other underlying psychiatric disorder like bipolar, because bipolar does cause hypersexuality. So, you know, just to say he's rubbing out the focus of his addiction really simplifies, I think, a very complex issue where this guy was disturbed on multiple levels. Who are the victims? So far, we're really only hearing about the two white victims. Take a listen to Errol Barnett, CBS. Well, we've learned a bit more information about one of the victims who died from the shooting at this location. Her name is Delaina Young, 33 years old, married, and a mother of two children. The youngest is an eight-month-old girl.. Now she was here with her husband Mario when the shooting took place, but we're told that she actually works at as a server at a Waffle House
Starting point is 00:35:51 very close to where I'm standing. We went to visit staff at that business just a short time ago where they had set up a donation jar with Delaina's picture on the exterior with her husband and her two children. They're trying to raise money to support her relatives. And even in death, the Asian victims are largely going unnamed, unnoticed. I found some of their names in the New York Times that popped up just before we went to air today. Ms. Yon, as you know, 33, from Ackworth, there with her husband. Zio Tan of Kennesaw, Dayu Feng, 44, Paul Andre Michaels, whose brother said he lived in Tucker.
Starting point is 00:36:47 The man that was injured coming out of another store was Elsius Hernandez Ortiz of Ackworth. We don't even know all the victims' names. Their lives apparently not meaning much to a lot of people, but I bet they meant a lot to their families. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace, Crime Story, signing off. Goodbye, friend. This is an iHeart Podcast.

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