Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - SHOCK CCTV: BEAUTY QUEEN KADA SUSPECT STALKS 1ST VICTIM: "GO AWAY BI*CH"

Episode Date: October 17, 2025

In the days before Kada Scott's disappearance, she tells friends she’s being harassed online and over the phone. Kada goes to work at an upscale assisted living facility, for 10 pm – 6am shift. Shortly after arriving to work, Kada walks out, car still in the parking lot and no cameras. Kada's phone goes straight to voicemail, phone is possibly now dead and no social media activity.  Two weeks into the investigation,   investigators announce the arrest of Keon King, 21, for Kada’s kidnapping, but Kada is still missing.  Investigators beg the public for help tracking down King’s 1999 gold Toyota Camry, Pennsylvania plate MSX0797.   Hours after that request, a resident at Gypsy Lane Condos remembers a car matching that description has been parked in the lot for almost a week. Officers descend on the community, where King’s family lives, cordoning off the parking lot to search it. The Toyota is towed when police confirm it belongs to King.    Surveillance footage shows the car entering the gated Gypsy Lane parking lot 5 days before police tow it. A resident opens the gate for the driver, who sits in the car for about 35 minutes before leaving. It’s unclear if King was behind the wheel. Just two weeks before Kada’s disappearance, King lists the car for sale on Facebook Marketplace.  Police also spreading out from the last search at Awbury Arboretum. Acting on a tip, officers search across the street at the now-abandoned Ada Lewis Middle School. During a grid search outside the locked building, they recover some of Kada’s belongings: her debit card and pink phone case.  Joining Nancy Grace,  Derek Smith - Criminal Defense Attorney, website: dwsmithlegal.com,  Dr. Geri-Lynn Utter - Clinical Psychologist specializing in psychological evaluations and risk assessments for individuals involved in the criminal justice system, Author of “Mainlining Philly: Survival, Hope and Resisting Drug Addition,” and “Aftershock: How Past Event Shake Up Your Life Today”, and Producer of “Utter Nonsense,” a documentary of exploration of addition and severe mental illness, available to stream on Apple TV and Prime Video, website:drgerilynnutter.com, Instagram & Facebook: DrGeriLynnUtter,   Brian Fitzgibbons- Director of Operations for USPA Nationwide Security, Leads a team of investigators specializing in locating missing persons, website: www.uspasecurity.com, Instagram: @uspa_nationwide_security, former Marine and Iraq war veteran  Sheryl McCollum - Cold Case Investigative Research Institute Founder, ColdCaseCrimes.org, Host of podcast: Zone 7, Twitter: @ColdCaseTips  Joe Holden [HOL-dun] (Philadelphia, PA) Chief Investigative Reporter and Anchor, CBS News Philadelphia, cbsnews.com/Philadelphia, Facebook: Joe Holden Reporter, X: @JoeHoldenCBS3,   Sydney Sumner - Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'   See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Shocking, Close Circuit TV reveals the beauty queen, Kada suspect, stalking his first victim. That is his first victim that we know of. As you know, the Penn State grad slash beauty. Queen has gone missing from her workplace where she worked at a Ritsey living assisted home. You're going to hear a lot tonight. The car has been found in the last hours that Gold Toyota Camry driven by suspect Keon King

has been found and the search leaves us to an abandoned middle school, the Ada Lewis Middle School, joining us live tonight an investigative reporter on the story from the beginning CBS's Joe Holden I'm Nancy Grace this is crime stories and I want to thank you

for being with us Where is Kada You know she had the overnight shift She just clocked in And then suddenly leaves She had never done anything like that before Where is Kada Guys so much happening

In the search for Kada Scott the Miss USA hopeful who represented her area. Not only is she beauty, she's brains. Could she think her way out of this kidnapping? According to L.E. Law Enforcement, they say they believe she could still be alive. And that is why tonight's broadcast is so important. Let me give you the tip line right now. It's 215-6-86-tips, T-I-PS.

215-6-8-6-8-4-77. Look at her. Look at her. Is she still alive? Can we bring her home to her parents? Her dad now putting up a $10,000 reward in connection to evidence leading to her whereabouts. First of all, I hardly know where to start. Creeper Shevelin's video emerges of him stalking.

We think his first victim could have been his fifth victim for all I know. But first I want to tell you about the car. This has been the focus of the search of L.E. Law Enforcement since she went missing. Let's take a look at the recovery of the car. As you know, guys, this is for our friends at 6 ABC Philly. In this, it looks a little silver. It's not. It's actually gold with heavily tinted,

windows. An anonymous tip leads police to this. It's a treasure trove of evidence. If law enforcement believing that Ceda was in this car, God forbid we find blood. I do not want to find blood. I'm happy to find fingerprints. I'm happy to find any other belongings of hers. I don't want to find her torn clothes or blood in that car. I want to quickly go to what we are learning about not only the car but physical evidence guys in addition to physical evidence that is

mounting we have obtained CCTV closed circuit TV it looks like a ring camera of the defendant we told you about a prior attack where he strangled another woman

another woman who we've been told looks very similar to CADA. That's what we call in the law a similar transaction. And it can be admitted before a jury after a motion in limine, a hearing outside the jury presence, if the judge rules your

way. Because while he wouldn't be being tried for that, it can show motive, course of conduct, frame of mind. Now, how would you like to see this at your back door

window. Take a look. Go away, don't come over here. Mm-hmm. Kanner, call the cops. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

There's all these kids here. Call the cops. He coming around the window. Go that way, camera. Yeah, go away. Bye. Go away. Bye. Yep. Bye. Bye. Kiyon out here. That is from at S4 LCC on TikTok. Just so you know, he did not go away. Kian King, that's him, goes to every door and every window of that female victim's home. I want to look at it on mute. Okay. Here is he jumped over the fence to get to her.

He ain't coming to the front door with candy and roses. He's jumping the fence. And look, I don't want to see that out my window first thing in the morning. He's going door to door and what breaks my heart is you hear the vick. Look at that. There's children. There's toys.

She has children in there and she's saying, call the cops, call the cops, call the cops. She knows to be afraid. When my husband has been locked out and I go to let him in, I don't run from the door. I don't scream, call the cops, because I'm not afraid.

This woman is afraid. Don't come over here, Cameron, call the cops. She is telling, I think, the children to call 911, because she knows what this guy will do. And that tells me, and I'm sure veteran defense attorney Derek Smith joining us, is going to disagree. But that tells me, this is not the first time. Why is she so afraid? Why is she afraid? Derek Smith, I'm going to circle back to you.

Guys, that is from at S4LCC on TikTok. And I'm going to give you a few moments to gather your thoughts. Because first, I'm going to go to Joe Holden. Joe Holden, Chief investigative reporter and anchor CBS News, Philly. Thank you for waiting, Joe, because I know you're dying to get back out into the field right now. Did you see the video? There's something so off about that video. In fact, we tracked down that house just yesterday on the show.

streets in North Philadelphia. What is that stance? What is that body language? What is happening? His eyes come up to that window and my colleagues in our newsroom are actually quite terrifying. We know a lot about his alleged prior bad acts at this point. He assaulted the same victim in this incident here. We believe this to be January. He assaulted the same woman in November, we were able to uncover traces of charges. Now, those charges are hidden from a view on our docket system, something about clean slate business. But this happens in November. What? And then, yeah, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, Joe Holden, what did you just say about a clean slate? So we can't get at the charges that were leveled against this

guy Keon King back in December of 2024, as well as an incident that happened in January of 2025. The case brought in April of 2025 gets this withdrawn, dismissed, however you want to phrase it, in May of 2025. Guess why we can see these records now, Nancy, because the district attorney's office has refiled the charges in light of their ongoing kidnapping prosecution now and search for Kada Scott. So it's like the toothpaste is getting squeezed back into the tube at this point, if that's even the wrong way to describe their actions. And the Clean Slate Law has prohibited our ability to see some of the charges.

But because- Okay, that is so wrong. That is so wrong. Why should a guy who has been stalking these young women hiding behind the clean slate policy, You guys, that video from at S4 LCC on TikTok and another thing, the woman, one of the women that he assaulted in the past has issued a comment on social media saying, I hope they put you basically under the jail after all you've done, after all the pain, the hurt you've caused. I'm going to pull it up for you in just a moment. But that tells me, while don't show me Derek Smith yet, while Derek Smith is not going to like it. That there are a lot of similar transactions.

That's certainly putting perfume on the pig back there. There are other women out there that are rejoicing. He is behind bars for kidnapping Keda. Why? Because he has got a history of violating, tormenting, stalking, torturing, scaring, scaring women. I want to look at that video. Oh, yeah.

Okay, not him. I want to look at that video because I want to know what can it prove. What is the probative value? One, a six-foot fence is not going to stop him. He jumped right over like Spider-Man, and here he comes, looking. You know, that's a good way to get shot right there. But he's not afraid. He knows who's inside a woman and little children.

So, hey, go ahead and terrorize her. He's not worried. And you see, the camera all jump-a-dy because she's running to Winda to Wendda. saying, go away, go away, and he's not leaving. I mean, if somebody told me when I went to their front door, go away, I would be gone. They'd see nothing but tail hole and elbows. I'm out, but nothing is stopping him. Not a fence, not a locked door, not a closed window. If Cato Scott was in that car, what would he do to her? This from at S4LCC. on TikTok.

Guys, I'm going to circle back to what this video means, but I want to quickly go. You know what? Let's keep running it to see what else we can learn. Did she actually go to that window and lock it? Joining me right now is a long time colleague and, dare I say friend, Cheryl McCollum. She is a forensic expert. She is the director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Foundation. And she is the star of a hit podcast series, which I have often put on loop.

and listen to her, Zone 7. Cheryl McCollum, I will very quickly remind you of the first time I say that we met. It was when we were so happy that we could give domestic violence victims their own cell phone. I didn't even have a cell phone. And they were about that big. They were huge. They were like a shoe box. And we were giving them out.

The mayor at that time made a cameo appearance. and we were giving them out in municipal court to domestic violence victims. That's when nobody even knew what domestic violence even was. That said, did you see this video? The reason I brought that story up is you and I have been fighting domestic violence for so long. This woman is locked in her home with her children, and she's screaming to the children, call the police, call the police, because she knows a window and a door are not going to stop him.

A fence sure didn't. What about it, McCallum? You already said it beautifully. This is a pattern. He is not deterred when he is spotted. He's not deterred when he sees children. He's not deterred when he knows the police are on the way. This is so frightening.

There is zero chance that there's not more victims in his 21 years. You're going to see a clear and distinct pattern of him stalking. and watch it Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Derek Smith you know Derek when our same group joining us tonight were together last 48 hours ago

we knew guys that's from at S4LCC on TikTok we were talking about one prior where he attacked a woman outside her home, got forced her into the car, assaulted her. They haven't said whether it was a beating or a sex assault. We know there were children in the car, then threw her out of the car. The reason I brought that up last time, Derek Smith, is because it was eerily, chillingly similar to what we happened to Kada. Our brilliant beauty queen. People have been writing, why are you talking about

beauty queen? Well, because she's beautiful on the outside and the inside and a scholar had graduated with very high grades from Penn State, her world in front of her. So Derek Smith, now we're learning about not one but two priors. And you heard Joe Holden say, we can't even get the whole record because of some clean slate. policy? So who knows what is lurking in his record? What about it, Smith? Well, Nancy, you mentioned these alleged acts that this man perpetrated. Was he convicted of these crimes at all? Because if not, they're just merely allegations. And then watching this video of him jump in the fence, okay, he walks up to the window. He didn't have a weapon on him. He didn't seem to be frightened

or concerned. Why was he there? Would it change your perception? of the video if he received a text message from the homeowner saying hey somebody's in here come help me out and then he showed up to help you didn't seem like he was trying to keep him locked down call the police when he showed up that what are you saying you're not even making any sense let's get to another aspect of this i mean you prosecuted domestic violence and stalking type cases before him up wait wait wait wait hey hey Smith i'm not a speed bomb you just don't roll over me and keep going. I ask you, why did you even spin out that total technical legal term, BS, that maybe there was a text from the woman, the victim, asking him to come help her

with an intruder? No. She says, go away. Do I need to spell that out for you? She did not call him over. She's locking the doors in the windows. What? What? What are you saying? Did that look like she was very afraid? She walked over. She was right by the window. If she was afraid he was coming in there, why wouldn't she be cowering in fear calling the police? She's following him from window to window making sure.

Look, everybody's running. They're all running. Okay. Now, can I go back to Derek? She's looking at him. And then he pulls out his phone maybe to ask her, hey, why aren't you answering the door? You called me over here. You need my help.

And now you're not answering. We don't know any of that. Have we got the phone records? Have we seen any conversations between these two? We're jumping to conclusions here now, are we? She filed a criminal complaint against him? And was he convicted? I can file a criminal complaint against him.

No, she became afraid and withdrew. You know what? You can go ahead and cut his mic to his face right now. I'm going to put him in the corner and give him time to think about what he just said. Dr. Jerry Lynn Utter joining us, Utter, Dr. Utter, Clinical Psychologist, Specializing. and evaluation and risk assessments in the criminal justice system. Okay, I actually, as much H.E.Ls I give him, respect Derek Smith. He's won a lot of cases,

which is not easy to do because he can spin out these scenarios and get one zero on the hook and they believe it. What is concerning me, let's fast forward from that last similar transaction we were showing, one of I believe many, to Kada. How is it that these people, these perps, real in young women? How do they fall for them? Did he force her in the car? Because that's what he did to the other victims. Did he lure her in?

Did he offer her? I don't know why she was in the car. All I know is she's gone now after she was in that car. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of unknowns as far as, you know, Kata going it going willingly with him. And in my opinion, based upon what we know and what we've seen about Kata and what we know about Kian, I don't see her as being the type of young lady that would willingly go anywhere with somebody like this.

When you look at the video and you watch him and his stance, it's almost as like he's taunting the poor women in that video. And they're very familiar with the behavior. because she very clearly says it's Keon. So she knows who he is. She's familiar with the behavior and she's afraid. I don't care what Derek says. You can clearly see that this person is afraid because she wants the cops called.

So in my opinion, as far as him luring her in a charming way or trying to coerce her in a charming way to go into the vehicle or to leave with him, I just don't see that based upon some of the behaviors that I'm looking at in this video and also through learning. about Kada and her personality and then also some of the events, you know, that she was scared that she was being harassed potentially by him. We don't know for sure. Dr. Utter. Can you, wait, Dr. Utter, I need you to comment on something. Look at the video. He jumps over and he stops like a superhero and then like points. Okay. I want to emphasize he jumps over and stops dramatic effect. You know, like a superhero lands coming from another galaxy. And then

points at the victim what is that he's taunting i mean this is a pattern of behavior this is what we see with people that demonstrate predatory behavior this is part of he's liking this he's getting off on this he jumps over he kind of he looks like a marvel hero he puts his hand back and it's almost like yeah i'm here and and then he struts if if you look at the video he continues to kind of have like a swagger or a strut he knew exactly what he was is doing and it's part of the tactic he's he's taunting he's trying to instill fear and he successfully does it regardless as to whether or not he is somebody that's familiar to those women you can see that they are afraid because they're asking the call of cops they're not opening up the window and saying

hey keon get the hell out of here they're they're afraid because they have probably experienced what's to come next which is an escalation and behavior that from at s4 lCC on ticot joe holden joining as chief investigative reporter and anchor CBS News, Philly, who has been looking for from the very beginning. You know what's, I mean, some of that is laughable, jumping over the fence, like landing like a superhero. But nothing is stopping him, Joe. A fence, which was over six feet tall, locked doors, locked windows, hurt yelling, go away,

screaming, call police, running through the house, through children. who had to be afraid. And he looked like he was enjoying it. Dr. Jerry Lynn Utter, it was just saying that. The thrill. This was the second time he was there that day. Scary someone. Here's the document, right?

You can't really see it. But he was there at 1230 that morning, January 13th of this year. He makes a whole ruckus in that backyard. And then same day, 3.30 in the afternoon. climbs the same yard fence looking into windows. We see the video playing, but let me punctuate where I find even more chilling detail. The mail is known to carry a black clock and gun.

He made several threats to kill the complaint and a witness present. He does not have an address and stays where is available. All of that detail follows the narrative that police lay out in this criminal complaint where he forces this victim into. to his car. He drives at a high rate of speed with his own two-year-old in that car. They're driving from this location in North Philadelphia down towards Center City, and he is choking and allegedly biting the woman in the face before he dumps her at the 700 block of Gerard Avenue. So she gets away with her life, according to investigators. At S4LCC, TikTok.

We know her phone goes dead. It has not been on since. She has not seen. She has not seen. after that. This sparkly, beautiful, 23-year-old woman. This girl has just turned 23. She's a little baby. Tonight, where is Kada? There is a $10,000 reward for information leading to her discovery. Her parents distraught, as you can imagine. This Penn State grad with fantastic grades, the world in front of her goes missing from. her workplace. A Ritsey assisted living. Guys, not only have we flushed out, not one but two, and we believe there are other similar transactions, past attacks, always on women, very often

involving his vehicle, wrestling them into the car, strangling them. Did he allow Kada to live? I want to go to other evidence that had happened overnight. Hours after Philadelphia PD asked for help locating King's Toyota, a resident at Gypsy Lane Condos, remembers a car matching that description parked in the lot almost a week. Officers descend on the community where King's family lives, cordoning off the parking lot to search it. There's seen information that there might be some evidence at this school

which is not far from the reason that we're at this Friday. Acting on a tip, officers search across the street at the now abandoned Ada Lewis Middle School. During a grid search outside the locked building, they recover some of Kada's belongings, her debit card and pink phone case. Shortly after arriving out of you, if you're ever looking at some physical evidence, which ties Ms. Scott to this scene, obviously, it's very substantial. A lot of that from our friends at CBS Philadelphia and from CBS Philadelphia, us right now, anchor and investigative reporter, chief investigative reporter, who is helping

in the search for K to Joe Holden. That's a lot of information. I understand that an anonymous tip came in, not only about the vehicle, but about a place called Ada Lewis Middle School. What can you tell me? Not only about how that fits in with the Arboretum, which is 56 acres of nothing but trees. Correct. And you know what? We were at the Arboretum last Friday. And then this location of this Ada Lewis Middle School that's been shut down since 2008 felt like we were in the middle of a horror movie. Someone calls police and says an hour after they hold a news conference searching for that car and

announcing the arrest of Keon King, police are told, you better go and check out the middle school. We know that police have recovered two pieces of critical, personal, evidence tying Katie Scott to the property of the middle school. Once again, the middle school sitting yards away from Albury Arboretum, where they searched a week ago. And then fast forward now, there's the middle school on your screen. And tell me you're not freaked out by those pictures. Police trying to devise a plan of how to go into a building that's been shut down for almost 20 years, an abandoned school building. I mean, it has all of the markers of what's next in this case um guys this video from our friends at six abc philadelphia but i want to see if my control

room could please send me back to the before shot of ada lewis middle school in its heyday and we got this off their website it was a beautiful school but listen to this and the school itself we're able to gain entry it's three floors it's a large school and uh that's me a lot of The abandoned middle school where Philadelphia police were covered physical evidence placing Kada Scott there has been closed since 2008. The school district still owns the graffiti covered building reportedly well secured, police having to request assistance to get inside. That video from CBS Philadelphia, I want to go back to what Joe Holder was saying about

it looks like a horror movie, a nightmare. it's now well it's defunct it has been condemned it's an abandoned building now there it is key watch okay

can you imagine our kid of Scott in that building this is from our friends at 6 ABC Philly and there you saw the lead investigator in a suit walking in

followed by a lot of uniforms and those uniforms are high level You can tell by their hats, if they've got chevrons on their sleeves or leafs on their collar, him. What of Ceda Scott's belongings were found in their Joe Holden? So we know that they are very personal in nature. In fact, would not be partying with these things unless she was in some serious trouble. Police not specifying exactly what, but reading between the lines, perhaps something involving her. cell phone, or have something involving a bank card or something connected to that.

That is the level of detail. I've got a question. Sidney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter. Sydney, you and I were discussing, was it a cell phone case? Have we gotten that unofficially? Yes. Sources are saying that it was her cell phone case and Kita's debit card, pink cell phone case. So Joe Holden, that fits in with what you're hearing.

a cell phone case and a debit card. And I want to go to Brian Fitzgiven is joining us. He is Director of Operations at USPA nationwide security. And what he does there as director is he leads a team of expert investigators to find missing people all around the world at uspa security.com. Brian, hell would freeze over before either one of them. of my twins would part with their cell phone. Do you know how much time my daughter spends finding the right cell phone case? My son just gets a black or a navy one is over. No. Because have you

seen, go with me on this for a moment, Fitzgibbons. Show Fitzgibbon's in case he hasn't seen it. Kada, like getting all dressed up and doing her fashion videos, which by the way, people are attacking her online for it. I don't get it. She was such a. a star in these videos. She loves getting dressed up, matching her necklace to her purse and her shoes. She's a glamour girl. You know Brian Fitzgivens, this is where I'm going, that she had a special phone case. Why is her phone case on the floor of the defunct, condemned Ada Lewis Middle School building. I suspect, Nancy, that King ditched that cell phone case there and then went on to sell the phone.

And I think that that will be something that comes out in this investigation that he could have kept the phone to sell it and wanted to get rid of the case, which would have been easily identifiable. You know, I think you can actually see the case there with a lot of, you know, it's bedazzled on the outside. We don't know if that's the same case that she had at the time of her disappearance, but the case would be easily recognizable. So ditching that case would make sense for King to do. Now, I'm understanding that Sydney, some of the items were found outside that condemned building. Right. So we don't believe, police are saying they don't believe that Scott or King made it inside the building. Police had to request access themselves to get in. So this building was likely well secured.

So these items were found outside the building. That's what police are telling us. You know, to Cheryl McCollum joining us, director and founder of the Cold Case Research Institute and star of Zone 7 hit podcast. Cheryl, the last time, I mean, you and I have covered, well, we didn't cover them, we investigated them. It's hard for me to think, I'm looking at Katie right now, Cheryl. I don't know if you can see your monitor. It's hard for me to imagine her at this condemned building. But Cheryl, you and I investigated a lot of cases. Whenever I hear abandoned building in connection to a case, Cheryl, it brings back some really bad memories of cases you and I investigated.

Why is she in an abandoned building? 100%. So criminals know where there are no people and no cameras. So it's not a surprise to me with his pattern background that he knew about this abandoned school where he discarded her personal belongings. Her belongings that are at that abandoned school, does her bank card have his fingerprint? Is his DNA on the phone case? Anything that can tie him to those belongings is what law enforcement is looking for now. Keon King. He is charged with Cata's kidnapping. Put some heat on him to question him as to where Cata is. Find this girl. Where was he? Where had he been? Is he keeping her alive somewhere? Where is Cata?

Tip line. 215-6-86 tips. Repeat. 215-6-8-477. L-E law enforcement insisting they believe. she may still be alive. Where is she? Overnight, we learned that not one but two cases of assault on women that looks similar to Katie Scott that involve his vehicle and alleged strangulation have occurred. That's two that we know of. Also, the car found, but where? Why there and what can we learn about the car?

Straight back out to chief investigative reporter and anchor CBS News, Philadelphia, Joe Holden. Tell me about the car. And I'd like to see the video of that aerial video of the vehicle. Go ahead, Joe. Let me give you the timeline. So police holder press conference at 1030, ask everyone to look for that car. And then by 1230, they're back at that middle school that looks just plain scary. and then at 3.10 in the afternoon, so four hours after, four or five hours after their press conference,

someone says, I saw that car parked on the 4,000 block of Gypsy Lane in a street that essentially dead ends at Lincoln Drive. If you're familiar, I know Nancy lived in Chestnut Hill for a time. Someone had to have their eyes open. They saw it. They called Philadelphia Police. Philadelphia Police leave Ada Lewis Middle School and rush over to the 4,000 block of Gypsy Lane. where the car is parked. There is obviously, as you've said, a potential wealth of evidence in that car.

My investigative sources say they're looking for DNA inside the car and inside the truck. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. You know, another thing that happened overnight, Joe Holden joining us from CBS Philly, Prosecutors say that they made a, quote, mistake by not following through with the earlier charges. Well, that's a day late and a dollar short. They tried to blame it on the victim for an FTA, failure to appear.

When a woman doesn't show up in a domestic, okay, this is what you do. Back me up on this. Dr. Gerlin Utter joining us. Dr. Utter, when a woman doesn't show up on an FTA and a domestic, you go find her. Because in my experience, by the time I got them, of course, they weren't just a slap or pushing somebody over. They were full on felony, if not a murder. You go find them. And you prosecute that case.

And you make it clear to the defendant, she wants to drop charges. Don't take it out on her. I'm prosecuting you, S-O-B. that's usually the way I would handle it and it worked but they didn't so now they're kind of saying like she didn't come to court so we dropped it no go get her I mean go get her for sure Nancy but the other thing too I mean this is this is obviously a victim of a serious crime she was hurt by this man she's afraid of this man so it does make sense I mean victims they become afraid right afraid of retaliation Cheryl McCollum hold on let me pick up

right there from what Dr. Utter just said, Cheryl McCollum, I want to get back to the car and off the victim's shaming aspect. This car could be a treasure trove. We're also learning in addition to her debit card and phone case. We've heard rumors that an IPA case and Katie's glasses were found at that abandoned school. Now, connection, it's near the arboretum, but to the car. Somebody let him into the parking lot. You have to be allowed in. This is near where his family lives.

Go ahead. What can we learn from the car? There's two categories I'm looking at, Nancy, in that vehicle. The first one, anything that I can tie the victim to. Can I put that victim in that vehicle? I'm looking for blood, hair, fingerprints, anything that belongs to the victim. Clothing, if there was a struggle, did the shoe come off, anything. an earring. The second category is going to be something that was used in the commission of that

crime. Is there a weapon or their restraints, notes, drawings, a hotel room key, a receipt? Did he buy food for the two of them? Anything where I can say, hey, this is unusual. One of the best things we have right now is he has not reported that car stolen. Oh, yes. Just like in the case of Celeste in D4VD, aka David Anthony Burke, who never reported his Tesla stolen or missing, and then Celeste's body was in the trunk. Yes, that raises a red flag. The car wasn't stolen. He didn't report it stolen.

Cheryl McCollum, have you ever watched, if you don't do it yourself, have you ever watched somebody change your oil in your vehicle? Yes, no. Yes. Okay. They will take this car, this Toyota Camry, and they will put it. it up like they're changing the oil. And they're going to look under it for blood, just like in the case of Nikki Chen. They found the undercarriage of her truck saturated in blood. But you have to put

it up and look. They're going to get soil off the tires. Will it help? Maybe not because that car has been many miles since Katie went missing. They're going to go through it with a vac, a vac. That is relatively a new technique to pull up DNA invisible to the naked eye over the carpet, over the floor mats, over the seats. It can pull up DNA that you can't see such as blood. You might see that. They're going to look for sweat. Let me remind you of the case of Teresa Holbeck, the photographer who was last seen at the home of killer, Steve and Avery. When they found her car

hidden at the back of a salvage lot, it had his sweat DNA over the ignition, where he was sweating, trying to crank her car up to go hide it. He's convicted. They're going to

look for sweat, blood, hair, fibers. Then they're going to illuminol the whole thing, looking for iron oxide. that shows up under an ultraviolet luminal light. Fingerprints, clothing, anything, a shoe, a shoe lace, a bracelet, a ring, a hair clip. That's what's happening in that car right now.

Agree or disagree, Fitzgibbiz? Absolutely agree, Nancy. And, you know, you brought up Nikki Chang-Sailie McCain. let's hope that this investigation is done meticulously because as we know, and we hope and pray that Kada is found alive, but we want to make sure that if there needs to be a prosecution for a homicide, that this is done correctly right now. Please don't put the cart before the horse. Let's try to find her alive. Imagine my shock late last night when I was reading comments online looking for any information about K. And I saw this, these young girls and women need to stop doing these things, exposing themselves to evil, modeling, pageants, cheerleading, any social media.

Okay, so I guess that's what I was doing as a high school cheerleader when I didn't make the basketball team. Are they crazy? I read another one that says, I tried to watch crime stories, but I had to stop at 1337. I was tired of watching Cata Scott prancing around. I don't understand that. To

special guests joining us, Joe Holden, Chief Investigative Reporter and anchor CBS News Philly. The degree of victim blaming is intense. And you know what? It's just like this. I want to see Joe.

But I want to see Kada prancing. She's gorgeous. she's 23. She's a baby girl playing in makeup. She just turned 23. All right. What in the hay is happening, Joe? How did she turn into the bad person?

She's not. And you know what? Let me give you some hope for at least the corner of our world here in Philadelphia. I have an entire city I'm aware of looking for any sign of this girl. So let the haters live online and in social media. but there is a 5,000, 6,000 member Philadelphia Police Department at District Attorney's Office and people like me and you looking out and trying to get to the bottom of this really nauseating mystery. Derek Smith, veteran trial lawyer won a lot of cases at D.W. Smith Legal.com.

I don't want to hear it, but you have, we have to hear it. If this case goes to trial, Derek, you know what you're going to do. do? What will the defense do? Because the state's got to be ready, not just with their case, but to destroy the defense case. So where would you go on this? Well, I mean, on the defense side of things, if there's no physical evidence, if they don't find anything outside that school, if they don't find anything inside the car, how are they really going to connect the victim to the alleged perpetrator? I mean, they have that other video and you said, like transactions, similar alleged events that he's done with other similar

victims, but again, never convicted of any of these things. It's just speculation at this point. So, I mean, they're going to really have to do, like one of our other panelists said, a very meticulous search of this vehicle, do anything they can to try to find evidence, whether it's, you know, like you said, the blood, the sweat, anything to connect the two of them in this gold corolla being together. Because without any physical evidence, we're just looking and circumstantial evidence, and that's not going to be enough to convict, Nancy. How can there be hatred for this girl who is missing? All things bright and beautiful.

That is Kata Scott. God willing, Philly PD brings her home alive. Again, the tip line, 215-6-86-8-47-7. Tonight we remember American heroes, people that put their lives on the line to come forward. If prosecutors had gone and gotten the first two victims, and they had testified without fear, maybe Kada would be alive today joining us tonight, detailing how she outsmarted her kidnapper. That did not happen.

But tonight I want to honor all the stalking, the battery, the beating, the rape victims that do come forward, even if they're afraid, win or lose. We saw what happened in the Sean Combs case. A win is not guaranteed, but they fight the good fight tonight. They are our heroes. Please join us in prayer for the safe return of this girl bright and beautiful, Katie Scott. Nancy Grace, signing off. Goodbye, friend.

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