Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - SPACE RIDDLE: Space Scientist Incinerated, UFO Whistleblower Found Dead, Toll Rises to 14

Episode Date: May 5, 2026

Is there a mystery connection between missing and dead scientists linked to top Nasa research? Approximately 14 cases have been identified.  NASA electrical engineer Joshua LeBlanc is now included in the list.   LeBlanc, 29, was pulled from the burnt wreckage of his Tesla. Reportedly, his car struck a guardrail and several trees before it burst into flames. When his family first reported him missing, they were afraid he had been kidnapped.  The White House and FBI are investigating this string of suspicious deaths and disappearances individuals involved in classified aerospace, nuclear, and defense research.  From deep research into anti-gravity jet propulsion, into special alloys made for high-intensity heat (Molybdenum) and so much more that that is outside the normal realm of expertise.   Joining Nancy Grace today:  Franc Milburn  -  Former British Intelligence Officer, friend of Amy Eskridge  John Nantz  -  Former Supervisory Special Agent FBI, Townhall columnistX, Truth Social, and Instagram: @theJohnnantz, LinkedIn and FB: @johnnantz Website: townhall.com/columnists/johnnantz  Stephanie Harlowe - Co-Host of 'Crime Weekly' podcast, Youtube: @StephanieHarlowe  Insta: @stephanieharlowe  Dave Mack -  Investigative Reporter, 'Crime Stories'  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A number of them have gone missing with the... the same circumstances, leaving Apple Watch and phone behind. He's literally a walking hard drive of highly classified information, so the FBI is going to be very, very interested in determining what exactly has happened to him. How can these not be connected? How does a young scientist, without telling family or friends, decide he's going on a trip, get into his Tesla without his wallet, or iPhone, like so many of the other missing or dead scientists, leaving home on foot,

leaving behind all ID, wallets, cell phones, tracking devices, any sort of identification that links them to the military or to their research. This young scientist, Joshua LeBlanc, leaves home and suddenly crashes into a guardrail and both he and his vehicle are totally incinerated. Joining us an all-star panel, but first, straight out to Stephanie Harlow, co-host Crime Weekly, and you can find her at Stephanie Harlow. Stephanie, thank you for being with us tonight. What happened to Joshua LeBlank?

First of all, tell me about him. What was he studying? Let me guess. Anti-gravity, jet propulsion, what? Yes, jet propulsion. He lived and worked in Hansville, Alabama, which is kind of the epicenter of a lot of these missing people, including Dr. Ning Lee, who was missing for a while, but ended up being killed. And also Amy Eskridge,

the University of Huntsville is very, very focused on NASA, jet propulsion, anti-gravity research. There's the epicenter of where all that stuff is happening. But he did work with some pretty high security clearance. Very quickly, I want to go to John Nance, former superfluor. Special Agent, FBI, assigned to D.C. and Miami. Got a question for you, John Nance. Explain the significance of anti-gravity research. As a layperson, the best way I can describe it is we obey the laws of gravity. We understand them.

Anti-gravity research as it relates to aircraft of any type. means that an aircraft could go up, down to the side, tangential, any way it wished. And at speeds, unlike anything we understand. So how valuable is it? Did I capsulize it correctly? Well, when you're talking about anti-gravity or field propulsion systems, you're not really talking about pushing a craft through space. You're talking about actually moving space and time around a craft.

So a bubble is created, and I don't know exactly how that. I'm sure there are other people that could address that in much more technical terms than I can. But essentially a space time bubble is created around the craft if such technology is actually available. And so you're actually moving, warping space and time around the craft. That's why they appear to move in ways that are completely alien to our understanding of physics, or at least material science anyway. I think our physics can explain it, but our material science is in no way capable at this point of producing that kind of performance. So I think generally speaking, yes, you're correct, but it's not the normal way of thinking of

about like a jet engine works by sucking an air, producing thrust, and blowing that out the back of an engine. That is not what we're talking about. Exactly. Anti-gravity craft, as I understand it, highly advanced aerospace vehicles designed, and they manipulate gravity fields for propulsion. The most cited example is the TR-38 Black Manta. It's rumored to be a triangular nuclear-powered spy plane using accelerated, pressurized mercury, and it creates a plasma-based anti-gravity field around it, just as John Nance was describing.

It's beyond what us regular trial lawyers are used to discussing. But needless to say, back to Stephanie Harlow, co-host star of crime weekly, it's incredibly valuable, not just to our defense, but financially to our government, to whatever private entity or corporation ultimately develops it. And there's high interest in foreign entities regarding U.S. research in anti-gravity. Now, I've gone a little far afield, but that said Stephanie Harlow, that is what Joshua LeBlanc was studying. Yes, I mean, if you could learn how to manipulate gravity, even in a small way, it would change the game completely for everything. It would change everything. Architecture, travel,

military weapons, obviously, and the privatized business fields like Tesla, SpaceX, you know, Blue Origin. But Joshua LeBlanc was studying propulsion. They're always trying to, to study a different way of propulsion because most of a jet or a plane or a rocket that goes into space is 85% fuel. So if you could figure out a way to reduce that fuel payload, then obviously you could go further. You could go faster. So they have a lot of people at NASA and the jet propulsion lab and all over the military and government trying to figure out how to manipulate gravity and find a better way of propulsion. That said Stephanie Horwell, we have a NASA nuclear engineer burned beyond recognition in his Tesla.

What happened that morning? So Joshua LeBlanc left his house pretty early, and like a lot of the other scientists on this list that we're talking about, he left his wallet behind, he left his phone behind, and then he drove his Tesla to the Huntsville Airport, which was about 15 minutes away from his home. And that's where it sat for four hours. Before he started driving about another two hours,

and then randomly for no reason that we can figure out, crashed his Tesla directly into a guardrail. The car caught on flames, and by the time they got there, they said the car was incinerated and the body inside of it was unrecognizable. And Joshua LeBlack's family, they want Tesla to give them video

because the Tesla has video, especially if there's a crash that deploys the airbags where they will take short video, but they don't store them in the cloud. They're usually in the USB that's kept in the Tesla. If the car was burned beyond recognition, that's obviously destroyed, but Tesla would still have a way to retrieve that video. Joshua LeBlanc's family does not think that he did this on his own,

and they suspect fall play as do. NASA nuclear engineer Joshua LeBlank, nearly 30, just 29 in the midst of highly sensitive research, burned beyond recognition and the wreckage of, of his Tesla Model 3 there near the Space Center in Hudson, Alabama. Family report him missing 432 AM that day. It wasn't until 2.45 p.m. his car was found. I find it very concerning.

Let me understand this, Stephanie Harlow, that he drove without his wallet or ID or driver's license or cell phone. to the airport and sat there for hours, or at least his car did? Did he meet anyone? Why did he just sit in a parking lot for hours? I'm not sure. I think that's what his family wants to know as well because Joshua didn't show up for work that morning,

and that was very unlike him. He was good at his job. He was having a very advanced career, especially for his age. He was brilliant. He talked to his family and friends every single night online. They've gained together. They talked together.

This was not a person who any of what he did that date made sense. And I think that it's important to understand that there have been and there are verifiable CIA document leaks called Vault 7 that WikiLeaks published years ago. And in those document leaks, it shows that the CIA is exploring how to remotely hijack vehicles to undertake what they have said in their words, not mine, nearly undetectable assassinations. So when you see something like this, what happened to Joshua LeBlanc, I think your brain goes there. I know mine did immediately. Straight out to Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter. Is it true that it took three days to identify his body? It did, Nancy.

His body was brought to the Alabama Department of Forensic Sciences. But even with everything at their disposal. It took three full days to positively identify LeBlanc. Okay, straight out to Dr. Kendall Crowns joining us. Dr. Crowns is the chief medical examiner, not a medical examiner, the chief medical examiner at Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth, Texas. He is a star of a hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morg. And more importantly, he is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU and has performed literally over 10,000 medical autopsies. Dr. Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us tonight. Dr. Crowns, why three days to identify his body?

I mean, they knew it was his Tesla, number one, the family reported him missing. Why did it take three days to figure out it's him? Well, actually, three days is a little surprising to me, because I would think it would take even longer. If a body is burned beyond recognition, meaning that the facial skin has been burned away all the way to the bone, you have to do techniques to figure out who they are.

And one of them is dental records. So they have a presumptive ID. They kind of know who he is. They get his dental records and do a comparison. Three days is, to me, an actually quick turnaround time. So I'm not surprised it took that long, but they are going to have to do techniques that are going to take a little longer because he's burned beyond recognition.

Okay, Dr. Kendall Crowns, I know I'm waiting into dangerous territory here, arguing with the chief medical examiner in a metropolitan area, but how hard is it to get dental records? The family says, that's his car. He's missing. Dental records? That should take a couple of hours? Well, it isn't a couple hours. You have to call the children. dentist, they have to get the records, they have to bring them to the medical examiner's office. So you're looking at least a day or two. Whoa, whoa, whoa.

You do know about email, right? You don't have to get on your horse and buggy and go over to the medical examiners. You hit one button and send it. Okay, so that takes five minutes. The family says, that's his vehicle. He's missing. Here's his dentist. I still don't get what you're saying.

Are you saying the teeth were incinerated, too? The teeth can be incinerated in cases to the point that they'll crush when you move the body. But let's say you get the email in a day and then you have to have a dental professional review the case. It isn't something where the medical examiner can pull up the dental x-rays and make the comparison. You have to get a dental professional, a forensic dentist to then make the comparison. And they may not be available that day. It might take them a little while to come in. So again, three days, that's pretty impressive for someone that's been burned beyond recognition.

Just because it's his car, you don't know if it's him driving it. You have to make sure and do your due diligence to make sure you got the right body and to make the decision and to make the identification. I am not suggesting that anyone cut corners in the ID of a dead body at all. I'm saying that with the family saying he's missing, that's his car, there's a dead body in there. they can't get his dental records like that, you know, instant email or even text. But what you're saying regarding bringing in a forensic dental specialist, that suddenly makes sense to me. Hey, Ontario, come on down to BedmGMGM casino and check out our newest exclusive.

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I find this also incredibly interesting. A Tesla, as you know, very rarely burst into flames. It's an electric vehicle less likely to burst into flames compared to gas vehicles, which burst into flames 60 times more than electrics. And I also find it interesting that when, And Joshua LeBlank's parents were told about this. At first, they thought he had been abducted. When he went missing, he was so reliable and so regular,

you know those people that never miss work ever? They're there when you get there, making the coffee, them. That's Joshua LeBlank. When they found out that he did not report to work, they could not hear from him, they reported him missing at 4.30 in the month. morning. I find that very, very probative. That would be like the camera coming to me and I'm not here. That never happens. That has never happened. See where I'm going with this, Frank? Yes, when you have something that runs contrary to a subject, individuals, you know, sort of

established patterns of life, something that really stands out that is contrary to what they normally do, the way that they normally behave, the way they normally live, the places they normally go to, Yes, that would be deeply suspicious. But the issue of the vehicle I can't speculate as to the cause of it, what I can say is that vehicular tampering sabotage is something that Amy Eskridge experienced a lot of many times. And after she died, other scientists came forward to me anonymously saying that their vehicles have been tampered with as well, as in brakes to make the vehicle effectively dangerous for them to drive. Let me see Frank Milburn, please.

Former British intelligence officer who knew scientists, Amy Eskridge very well, who said, point blank, if I am found dead, I did not and would never commit suicide. So, Frank, I've had those words for murder victims before, typically in domestic homicide cases where they would tell their friends, hey, if I'm ever found dead, he did it. I just know that. So I find it very disturbing that she said that repeatedly. And tonight we're playing some of her recordings, yet seemingly no one is taking her self-inflicted gunshot room seriously. But back to Joshua LeBlanc. I'm going to circle back, Frank, with you and those recordings. Dr. Kendall Crown, so assuming that the comparison was made, the body IDed,

through dental records, how does that happen? And do you lose all of your DNA in an incineration of that sort? So let's start with how the DNA or the dental records are compared. We will take the body at the time of autopsy and do a full dental x-ray. We usually have the equipment to do that. And then those are given to the dentist to make a comparison. They usually look at fillings. If there's no fillings, they'll look at root structures of the teeth and pulp cavities to make that identification. And then can a person be incinerated to the point that there's no DNA? yes if you get the temperature high enough for a long period of time over a thousand degrees you basically will cremate the body and destroy all the DNA and these

Tesla fires the problem is is they're hard to put out because those lithium batteries keep burning and the firefighters need to use special techniques to put them out so they're a very long period of time that they're burning so it's potential he could have been burned to the point that there's no DNA but he has to have been turned to ash at that point so if there's still parts still parts of the body left. Usually the bone marrow is still intact because it's pretty insulated by the fat and muscle and all that. So you could still get DNA from them. If there's a tooth still left, you can still get DNA. But if they get burned completely to ash,

of course, there's no DNA left. Take a look at him with the vehicle. That's the Tesla getting charged. So discussing the lithium batteries, that's a double-edged sword right there. Because, yes, Dr. Kendall Crowns, you're right about the immediate fire when the lithium batteries blow. But then there's also the statistic that that hardly ever happens with a Tesla. Does it just burst into flames as opposed to gas-powered vehicles? What do you make of that, Dr. Crowns? Well, that's correct. But I believe he hits something with his car, and that could put it.

the lithium battery in peril for bursting into flames. So again, you'd have to look into exactly what happened with the accident to figure out why his car caught on fire. But the problem, once the car catches on fire, the majority of them are made of plastic components and cloth, and they burn quite rapidly and quite quickly and very hot. Straight out to Dave Matt, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Isn't it true? Here he is, like so many other of these scientists. I've got copious notes taken on every detail of their disappearances and deaths. Many of them just walk out the door without their wallet, their driver's license, their cell phone, their smart watch that would track them, no identification linking them

to the military. In fact, as I recall, McCasland left with no ID, no watch, no anything. He did have a gun with him. Interesting. Why did he think you needed to take a gun? But after his death, even his Air Force sweatshirt was found about two miles away on the side of the road. Anything that would have connected him to the military gone. Same thing with LeBlanc.

No ID, no nothing. No one would have known who he was if he had not been. in that Tesla and his family had not reported him missing. It's my understanding that out of the blue, no suicidal ideation, no depression, no anything, was kind of excited about his research and his work. Dave Mack, what happened in the crash? I understand that he crashed through a guardrail and plowed into several trees. That's exactly what happened. The initial impact in the test, was into the guardrail on the side of the road. But he went through the guardrail over the dirt and slammed directly into a couple of trees, Nancy.

And that's where the inferno began was right there in the tree line. Now, we've learned from his LinkedIn page. He started working as an aerospace technology's electrical engineer at NASA 2019. What they do, they design, develop, and test hardware and software used in spacecraft, used in satellites, and ground support systems. He also plays a role in the agency's Moon to Mars initiatives. I find it very interesting, Dave Mack. His family first believed he had been kidnapped when they reported him missing at 423 in the morning.

It was so unlike him. It's shocking to me that at 432 in the morning, his family is calling to report him missing. Look, I get it. Some people don't show up for work, but 430 in the morning is a very early and very specific time. And as you mentioned, his family thought abduction. So something else was going on that we haven't been told yet. But I mean, really, Nancy, I get going to work early. But being reported missing at 432 in the morning, that is a shocking revelation in the story to me because something else was happening that we have not been told or they wouldn't have

done it. Back to Dr. Kendall Krause, you were discussing lithium batteries. They burn at 500 degrees Celsius, 1,000 degrees, between 500 and 1,000 degrees. Is that enough to totally incinerate the body beyond recognition? Yes, it can be. I mean, if you sustain that 1,000 degrees for a long period of time it will completely burn away the skin it will cause what we say is uh it makes the skin kind of black and crisp like charcoal and then it burns away to the bone then the bones as they're being burned at this sustained heat will become brittle and break and again at a thousand degrees and higher you're basically cremating them and he's sitting in a metal box which is going to keep that heat in and keep it going and circulating and then so it is it's a an environment that could easily burn him

and burn him beyond recognition quite quickly. The part that's very unusual, it's all unusual, is what Stephanie Harlow told us, the Star of Crime Weekly, that he first went to the airport there in Huntsville and sat there for hours. Why? Doing what? Did he meet someone?

How was he driving around with no cell phone, no ID, no wallet, no anything? what happened in those hours? Was anyone with him? Did anyone get into that car? Did he have a burner phone? Is any of that caught on video? Airports are like Vegas casinos. They are covered with video cams.

Where is the camera? Where's the video? As of yet, it has not emerged. Does it still exist? Which leads me to Frank Milburn, former British intelligence officer who knew another dead scientist Amy Eskridge very well

Frank, I'd like you to listen to her voice, to her tapes that you have provided to us, listen. We discovered what was up when we got back and the car battery was drained, the pepper spray was emptied, right? They just had a fucking colonel walk out of the airport behind me.

He didn't have any luggage. I don't think he even blew that day, right? My car failed to start, to jump it for me. Right? So the colonel jumped in my car, and then I went along my merry way, totally traumatized, but also totally okay, right? I have not traveled by air, and I also have not left the city by car either ever since then.

From our friends at Daly Mail to Frank Milburn. What is she talking about? Yeah, she's talking about an incident that happened when she came back from out of town. when she came back to her airport near Huntsville. And this is something that was repairing for her. She would go out of town, fly out, she'd come back. Her vehicle had been tampered with. Even when she didn't fly, her vehicle would be tampered with.

So her vehicle would be in an airport car parking lot, where presumably there's cameras and there's surveyor people moving in and out. So presumably you'd have some record of it. But her car was being tampered with, whether it was products inside the car, items inside the car, or sometimes a door would just be left open. open a jar so that the battery would run down so that when she came back, she had a problem. But this was recurring. And it happened not only to her at airports, but also in other

locations and also including her home. And there's a video where she's very worried. She found footsteps outside her house. There's another one where, you know, she's talking about her car being, her mother's car being battery drained. Also, allegations that her home computer had been hacked. Listen. So I maybe just sent a message to Tim on LinkedIn and informed him that if I see one more illegally leaked document of photos that were taken from my laptop bag, from my home, by your business partner, I'm going to call the FBI. You've been informed that your partner has committed interstate felonies because he took pictures in Alabama. He transported them across state lines to New Jersey and he posted them online from New Jersey. That's an interstate felony considering the NDA.

It's an act of corporate espionage because he founded a competing company right after that. It's an act of international espionage because he has a dual citizenship status. It's an act of breach of presidential, executive presidential privilege because the document is, you know, addressed to Trump on the very first page. And are you aware that your business partner left a very messy, very messy trail of evidence about these multiple felonies that's extremely, extremely easy to prove in court? Frank, what is she talking about? Do you believe her computer had been hacked? That happened to her a lot. And she was regularly, for example, when she was attacked with directed energy weapon, which was well documented.

She was working on an air-gapped computer precisely because she didn't want to be connected to the internet. Her team and her were constantly having to clean, reinstall their phones, their computers precisely because of this hacking. But in that particular case here, the person that she names in the clip that you played previously, He's been gaslighting me and her since before she died. She knew I've got emails going back to, you know, sorry, I've got documents going back to 2021, saying that she was being a target of industrial blasphanage by him and his partner.

These people have been trying to gaslight her before and after her death and trying to portray her as crazy, it's not competent. But this should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI. I know these people, they're trying to gaslight me too. So, you know, this is actually disgusting behavior. talking very, very badly about a deceased dead lady. You can't defend herself. But that's why I'm here to defend her.

Well, you know, you mentioned something very important, very important to me, Frank. And that was that she was hired and cleared by the government and was actually working along with Homeland Security. I want to circle. And bottom line is you have to go through so much. Isn't that true, John Nance, for her to get that type of clearance and to be working with Homeland Security and with the government? on anti-gravity and jet propulsion research,

she would have to be cleared at the ying yang. Yeah, I would think that she would at least have a, you know, a T-S-S-C-I clearance and probably access to maybe SAPP, like these very, very secure compartmentalized programs. Those clearances aren't just doled out, and people that have those types of clearance that are regularly assessed, you know, as to their mental competence, financial stability, all that kind of stuff. So if she was working on those programs, then I can't imagine that she wouldn't have

some of the most stringent security clearances that the American government has. So all of this is incredibly disturbing. And I would think that this would be a great interest to the FBI, especially from a counterintelligence SBN. perspective. The reality, John Nance, when I'm looking at Amy Eskridge and Joshua LeBlank, for instance, two of them, with the highest possible security clearance, they're working on government, actually secret government research.

Beyond anything that trial lawyers like myself have ever encountered, the government is not going to entrust people that are suicidal. have addiction problems, nothing like that. Well, yeah, depending on the level of clearance. And like I said, these SAP programs, it's not technically a higher level than top secret. It's an access control mechanism. And depending on what type of SAP program someone has access to, the government will even monitor the type of medications that you're on. I mean, that's how sensitive we're talking about this stuff.

There are also USAPs, which are unacknowledged special access programs, where a lot of this anti-grab technology is typically housed. So people that have access to this type of stuff that are working on this stuff are closely monitored. So you're absolutely correct. You know, her mental state would not be in question. if she had those kinds of accesses. And I'd like to point out, she is chalked off as a suicide, even though she swore before her death, she would not commit suicide.

Now you've got Joshua LeBlank, no suicidal ideation, no depression, nothing, crashes his Tesla into a guardrail and dies again without any identification. Then Air Force intelligence officer Matthew James Sullivan died at home, Falls Church, Virginia, just months before he was to testify before Congress about secret government research programs, he died of an alleged accidental drug overdose. It was a deadly mix, prescription, muscle relaxant, anti-anxiety, and even child anxiety drugs, a deadly cocktail, It was determined by Representative Eric Burleson in a letter to the FBI, the manner and circumstances of Sullivan's death raised substantial questions

as he was preparing to provide testimony to Congress. And I'm quoting what Burleson said. But I want to circle back. That's three scientists approved by the government that die of suicide under very bizarre, bizarre circumstances had never been suicidal or even depressed. Don't even miss work, ever. So back to Amy, Amy Eskridge. She began to notice odd details that were happening around her.

So whoever did that thought I was going to be landing alone because I bought my ticket separately, right? But then he decided to go with me at the last minute because he didn't feel comfortable with me flying alone, right? So he actually bought his ticket at the counter when we got there. So whoever did that thought I was flying in alone. But my side obviously noticed immediately because when we got to the airport in Virginia to fly home, like they just waved me through security, didn't check my ID, didn't check my ticket. They were like, leave your shoes on, don't take your bag off, just walk through the scanner, right?

Like, they just wanted me to get behind the security barrier as quickly as humanly possible, right? So I don't believe I have, since September 11, one time Frank Milburn, not had to empty everything, take off every piece of metal, my running watch, you name it. I strip down my children, everything, let them go through the metal detector. she noticed just before her death that she was waved through and they said don't take off your shoes you don't have to empty anything just go she started noticing odd details odd things happening she became concerned and afraid and stated point blank if i die i did not commit suicide yes that's correct but i mean it was as far back as november 2021 because i've been going

through all my old signal files with her and I provided these to you. In November 2021 she's saying, look, I've had a really bad, hard light and there had a lot of bad things have happened to me. I'm an incredible amount of pain from injuries that I've received. But I have every desire to keep to go on living because I've got a mission to accomplish in life. And for her that was everything, her work, her family, and the fact that she had this kind of like this inner drive and she wanted to bring her work effectively into the public sphere and out of the classified sphere to benefit all of us, you know, all of mankind, basically.

So she had this mission. She felt this kind of sense of destiny. And that was seven months before she died before she started sending out these desperate messages, you know, to all her friends, to me and to others and to co-workers, to everybody who knew what was going on around her, a month before she died, saying, again, I won't commit suicide, I'm not going to overdose, I'm not going to take pills, I'm not going to shoot myself, I'm not going to kill anybody else. So, you know, seven months before she dies, she's saying, I have every reason to live. And then a month before she dies, she's saying, I'm not going to kill myself. Experience Harry Styles live in London, England at Wembley Stadium.

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was a whistleblower. What can you tell me? And just before he could testify, he ends up dead. No suicidal ideation, no depression, nothing with top clearance. He also dies in his home, accidental drug overdose. What is he doing with all those anti-anxiety meds? They wouldn't have him on board if he was taking all of that medicine. It wouldn't happen.

He would not maintain that clearance. What happened, Dave Mack? Matthew Sullivan was scheduled to testify before Congress about, and I'm using the actual wording here, secret government UFO programs. This was a real hearing scheduled for Matthew Sullivan to talk about what he knew, firsthand experience. Now, this was a big deal. There was a lot going on with his.

The concern about his death, Representative Eric Burleson, Nancy, labeled the mysterious death of Sullivan as a grave concern, implications of national security. So a lot more than meets the eye. It's not just him going into talk about flying saucers in air quotes. But look at what he overdosed on, Nancy, Xanax, cyclobenzaprine, which is flexero, muscle relaxer, and a drug to treat children for, bedwetting. That's what they say he overdosed on. I looked up the numbers, the amount that would have to be taken of those medications to overdose and the numbers are astronomical. And as you mentioned, you don't get this kind of clearance in the military if you have suicidal ideation or an addiction to any of these types of situations. So Matthew Sullivan was planning on opening the door,

on some very classified and very secret UFO material that was important to the government of the United States of America for the people to know anyway. And before that could happen, he died. I only wonder if it had anything to do with anti-gravity jet propulsion. That said, I would be remiss if I did not mention physicist, brilliant physicist, Dr. Ning Lee. She had been awarded $450,000 from the DOD. and she disappeared briefly. Then she was mowed down in a crosswalk. Nobody else went out in the crosswalk,

but she was suddenly thrust into the crosswalk. She got mowed down. Her husband immediately had a heart attack and later died. She was brain dead and then later died. To Stephanie Harlow joining us, co-host Crime Weekly podcast. What can you tell me about her? I know she's Chinese American, and I know that she was brilliant. And I know nobody but her ended up in that crosswalk when she got mowed down. Dr. Nangley worked at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, and she was doing anti-gravity work and

research there. She then left the university after a significant amount of time there, and she started her own business and then the government came calling and they gave her that grant to work on continued anti-gravity research because this is Huntsville. They do that stuff there as well as advanced propulsion research. And then she started working with the government. And at that point, she kind of went dark. And there was a big thing online for a while because people thought she disappeared. She was off the map for quite a bit. And there was a journalist who was trying to find her to talk to her about her research and he couldn't find her. And he reached out to another anti-gravity researcher,

Eugene Polinac, and Eugene said, oh, she's working for the government. She just can't talk to anybody about what she's doing right now. But Eugene also said, I haven't been able to reach her either. And it was several years later when this same journalist finally tracked down Dr. Nangley's son. And the son said she had been hit. She had been in a terrible car accident, which had left her with permanent brain damage.

She developed dementia. And then he took care of her for several years until she finally passed away from this. But she was never the same, obviously. She never went back to work. You know what's interesting, Stephanie, is that Dr. Lee has been compared to Amelia Earhart. She is the Amelia Earhart of physics. the scientists that many people say, quote, discovered anti-gravity. That's the significance of who is Dr. Ning Lee.

She is, was brilliant. But after being mowed down on a crosswalk and I keep going back, John Nance joining me, former supervisory special agent with the FBI, to the fact that, for instance, in Manifax, Manhattan. Everybody walks out into the street when they think that they're not going to get run over. They don't look at the walk, don't walk signs. In this case in Huntsville, nobody else stepped out in the crosswalk. Nobody stepped out but her. And she got mowed down. Immediate forever brain damage. She could never work as a physicist again after that. There are simply two.

many data points to think that this is, you know, explainable by coincidence. The, the, the, the, the, all these events that are surrounding, especially these, what we're calling the anti-grab technology is, uh, is, it's simply the, the, the, the correlation is simply too strong to ignore. And it, you know, that kind of reminds me of some of the things that the bureau used to do back during the Cold War. In fact, agents, uh, assigned to counterintelligence functions would often tail KGB agents into the New York subway systems and quote unquote give them a bump so to speak as an intimidation tactic kind of pushing them toward the the subway so what happened to her sounds you know hauntingly familiar to that

type of thing obviously FBI agents weren't trying to to kill KGB agents, but you know, not something that is certainly unheard of within intelligence or counter intelligence communities. So obviously incredibly suspicious. And we keep going back to people who are involved in the UAP sphere or, you know, more commonly known as the UFO sphere. I think we've had three congressional hearings on this so far. And Matthew Sullivan case is extremely disturbing.

You have an individual that was getting ready to come forward and testify before Congress about matters of incredibly sensitive intelligence value. So I think that the FBI has every cause to be highly concerned. And also Representative Burchett and Luna have also been leading the charge on these matters, as well as Burles. And so you have incredibly credible people who are very, very concerned about all these matters. So this isn't something to be taken lightly or to be dismissed as crazy UFO talk. This implicates very, very real technologies and programs that have been attested to, you know, crash retrieval programs that have been attested to under oath for Congress. Frank Milburn on the hills of what John Nance just told us.

us. Why are you speaking out? Do you have any fears? I don't know. They say jumping out of planes at low level is dangerous. They say getting shot out and blown up is dangerous, but, you know, doing that when I was 17. So, no, I'm not too worried for myself. I have had a sort of harassment campaigns orchestrated against me. That's still happening. But I mean, that's like all this stuff, you know, kind of like sticks and stones, just trying to make me out to be a bad person, trying to the same thing as what has happened with Amy, trying to make me out to be incompetent and sort of lacking integrity, all those sort of things.

But they're just water off a duck's back. I'm speaking out because Amy can't, although she can through the files that I have, and people are going to continue to hear her voice, to hear her voice and to see what she wrote and to understand more about her. Actually, in terms of the anti-gravity and all the other sort of what they call

the five observables, actually back in 2020, I wrote two papers on those for an Israeli think tank, the Beacons Center for Strategic Studies. One of them is called the Pentagon's UAP Task Force, and the second one was American Development of UAP Technology, Afeta Compley. So those kind of explained the strategic aspects of UAP and how both America and out of adversaries

want to harness these technologies, not only to compete with each other, but also as Dr. Eric Davis said, who used to work for the Defense Intelligence Agency agency as a consultant to by 2050 to be able to approximate these technologies in case, you know, the tick tax and the operators of the UAP turn out to be hostile. So, you know, as humans, we want to have those technologies as well. If you know or believe you know anything relating to the now 14 missing and dead scientist,

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