Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - Star Corporate Lawyer Accused of Being Long-Time SERIAL RAPIST

Episode Date: July 6, 2023

A Manhattan corporate attorney is accused of serial rape and arrested in New Jersey. Matthew Nilo, 35, is charged with sexually assaulting four women 15 years ago. The first victim reported being abducted at gunpoint, driven to Terminal Street in Charleston, and raped. A fourth woman was attacked while she was jogging.  Investigators turned to forensic investigative genealogy, and after identifying Nilo as a person of interest, he was placed under surveillance. FBI agents obtain eating utensils and drinking glasses Niko used at a  corporate event. A DNA profile, which matched the rape suspect,  was obtained from one of the glasses.   Nilo has pleaded not guilty.  Joining Nancy Grace Today: Jean Fisher - Former Chief Deputy prosecutor in Ada County, Boise, ID; Former Special Crimes Chief Deputy (specializing in murder, crimes against children, and sexual assault); Director of Curriculum in Building Hope Today Dr. Shari Schwartz - Forensic Psychologist (specializing in Capital Mitigation and Victim Advocacy); Twitter: @TrialDoc; Author: "Criminal Behavior" and "Where Law and Psychology Intersect: Issues in Legal Psychology" Robert Crispin - "Crispin Investigations" Private Investigator; Former Federal Task Force Officer for United States Department of Justice, DEA and Miami Field Division; Former Homicide and Crimes Against Children Investigator; Facebook: Crispin Special Investigations, Inc.    Michael Brophy - Brophy Professional Genealogy & Heir Searching, Professional Genealogist based in Boston; Twitter: @brophy123, Facebook: @brophygenealogy  Rachel Countryman - Forensic nurse expert for Godoy Medical Forensics, Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner (SANE); Twitter: @GodoyForensics  Bob Ward- Reporter for Boston 25 News; Twitter: Bward3, Facebook: Bob Ward Boston 25  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I have dealt with many, many rape victims, sex assault victims of all sorts, and I have learned that a rape victim is never the same. I'm just a trial lawyer. I'm not a shrink, but every single rape victim, and there have been many, dozens and dozens and dozens of them, always say their lives are never the same. They go on. They continue with their families as mothers, as wives, working from an hourly fee to people, women that make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

It affects all of them very much the same way. Something breaks and it can't be fixed. They learn to go on because they are strong and resilient. I wonder how this rape victim feels knowing that her attacker has raped so many times in the past and was never brought to justice. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. Why wasn't he stopped before? Take a listen to the rape victim speaking out, Lori Pinkhamham to our friends at GMA I was had been out at one of the clubs I was doing promotions for and I was walking to my

car he pulled up in his car next to me and kind of cut me off and started yelling to me like something like hey, oh hey I saw you do you need a ride? I was like no I'm okay and that's when I saw he had a gun in his hand and he just said get in the car. And I was just got really scared and I did got in the car. Joining me in All-Star panel to make sense of what we know right now. How is this guy allowed to roam the streets, be free, when many believe he committed multiple rapes in the past. Let me go first to Robert Crispin, private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer for USDOJ, Department of Justice, with the DEA in the Miami Field Division.

Never like a business there. Former homicide detective and crimes against women and children investigator. You can find him at Crispin Special Investigations. Robert Crispin, thank you for being with us. I'm going to you first because that is an age-old ploy to get a victim. You ride up and say, hey, do you have car trouble? You need any help? And instead of just getting in the car locking the door trying to anyway the victim not knowing

any better trying to be polite says oh no I'm fine and in those few moments that she responds it's like hyena out on the Serengeti just waiting for the gazelle, the slowest gazelle in the herd. And that's who gets attacked in those few moments. He moves in. Yeah, sure. You know, there's there's so many different ploys that these guys use, you know, to, Hey, pull over, you know, you're getting a flat tire or the simple little tap bump at an intersection. Oh, I'm so sorry. Can you go ahead and pull your car over to the right? Let's just pull into that parking lot. Let's talk for a minute. And then the next thing, you know,

he's pulling them into a penalty box outcomes, the weapon, and it just overloads the victim to the point where they don't know what to do. They become tunnel vision. They become freaked out. They just freeze and they don't know what to do. And the next thing you know, they just comply because they don't want to die. Boise, Idaho, former special crimes chief deputy specializing in multiple facets of criminal law, including sex assault. Now she's director of curriculum building hope today. Jean, thank you so much for joining us.

I see the same M.O. Modus operandi method of operation over and over and over again. Wouldn't you agree, Jane, that once you get in the car, it's all over? Absolutely. I mean, it's absolutely all over. And it's really hard to teach women to get the message out about what to do in those sort of circumstances, especially when a weapon like a gun is involved. You know, we, you know, we try to teach folks on, you know, fight, flight, those sorts of things.

But when somebody pulls out a gun, it's real difficult to know what to do at that point. And it's ingrained in so many of us to be polite, be courteous, be kind when somebody says, hey, do you need help? Of course, most of us will turn around and go, no, no, no, we're fine. And in that split second, that's when everything goes down. Take a listen to more from victim Lori Pinkham. I started getting scared and he kept driving. As soon as we got to Charlestown and he stopped the car, I tried to run as fast as I could. And he caught up to me. And that's when he raped me.

What did that night take away from you? It took away my freedom, honestly. It took away my freedom. Joining us in addition to Robert Crispin and Jean Fisher is Dr. Sherry Schwartz, a forensic psychologist specializing in capital mitigation and victim advocacy. You can find her at panthermitigation.com. Dr. Sherry, thank you for being with us. Hearing Lori speak is heartbreaking to me because I know that she's right. Before I started representing rape victims for so many years, I didn't get it.

Now I do. Her freedom has been taken away from her. No, she's not locked away. She's not in prison. What does she mean by that, Dr. Sherry Schwartz? It is a prison of sorts. It's a psychological prison that victims of sexual violence have a very, very difficult time freeing themselves from, because especially in crimes like this, where it's described that he happens upon her and

forcibly takes her and rapes her. You never feel safe. It's very, very difficult to go out into public and live your daily life because here's somebody that approaches you and says, hey, do you need help? Or they forcibly attack you from behind. You don't see it coming. You don't know who you can trust. You don't know who is in your area. And it's this constant state of post-traumatic stress. I've just been thinking about her words. I lost my freedom. and it's this constant state of post-traumatic stress.

You know, I've just been thinking about her words, I lost my freedom. This woman was minding her own business. In many jury trials where I've represented rape victims, I've seen the defense try to smear the victim, like what time of the night was it? Where were you? Why were you by yourself? Oh, it goes on why was your skirt short why was your blouse low why were you by yourself blah blah blah and it goes on to why were you out

jogging why were you wearing a jogging bra and shorts I mean it could be anything to somehow put the blame on the victim. And now her life is changed forever. Take a listen to more from Lori. A big part of my life stopped that day. I couldn't work. I didn't want to spend time with anybody. Every day I've lived in fear.

It's heartbreaking. I feel like there's a part of her that didn't get to continue her life, you know, so she didn't finish growing up to become a woman with a career and a family and I know that breaks her heart. Joining us right now is veteran reporter, investigative reporter, Bob Ward with Boston 25 Boston 25 Bob thank you for being with us where did this happen tell me the circumstances surrounding this incident and I also want to point out Bob Ward as you know better than anybody very often sex assault victims' names and pictures, their photographs, their images are not made public. But in this case, Lori decided to speak out. That was her decision. And you know what, Bob? I'm proud of her. I will never forget, Bob, one of the several serial rape cases that I prosecuted. At that time, Court TV was just getting going and they asked,

could they be in the courtroom for this serial rape case? And I didn't bat an eye. I said, absolutely not. That is not happening. These ladies do not want their faces out there or their names. No, they don't. And the court TV guy said, well, could you just ask them? I'm like, yeah, but they're not going to want your camera up in their face. So I said no. But I did, as I said I would, Bob, ask the ladies. I think I had either four or five victims of one rapist. Oh, yeah, there were more. But I went forward with those. And I told them about court TV's offer and then I had of course declined it and they went wait a minute we didn't

do anything wrong we're not ashamed he should be ashamed and do you know Court TV broadcasts the rape case including all of their testimony and I thought about it and you know moments when I wasn't directing or cross-examining somebody in court, I thought about that decision of theirs. Because this was, you know, I guess it would have been about 1996. How brave that was. But they're right. Why should they be ashamed? He should be the one that's ashamed.

Absolutely. And thanks for having me. Lori Pinkham, I am with you. I am so impressed by her for not only going public, but she went to court on the arraignment because she wanted to see see this guy. And to come forward and talk about this is just, you know, it's just incredible. I covered a big rape trial in Boston a few months ago, maybe last year. And it was the same sort of thing when that rape victim got up on the stand and spoke in intimate detail of what happened to her over a matter of days. It was gut-wrenching. So in this particular case, for Lori Pinkham to come out and make a stand, she's saying, I matter and what happened to me matters and I want someone to be held

accountable for this. And the phraseology that my husband and I like to use the most, screw him and the horse he rode in on. Why should he get the benefit of having the victim afraid or cowered out of shame? She did nothing wrong. Guys, again, with me is Bob Ward, investigative reporter for Boston 25. He's been on the story from the very, very beginning. Tell me about how this attack, and that's what it is, rape. And I'm going to go back to Sherry Schwartz and Gene Fisher, Dr. Sherry Schwartz and Gene Fisher. This is not about sex. This is about a violent attack. Where did this happen? How did it happen, Bob Ward?

So what we know so far is that women were taken off the streets of Boston, either through some kind of convincing them to get in the car or by force, and then driven from downtown Boston across the river into Charlestown, Massachusetts, which is a part of Boston. It's on the other side of the river near the Bunker Hill Monument and taken to an isolated area where there are not a lot of cars going by, shipyards, that sort of thing, industrial. And that's where they were attacked. One of the women was out for a jog, not picked up from Boston, was out for a jog and she fought back and got away.

But essentially, three of the four were taken from Boston and driven out to the location where the rapes took place. Wow. OK, so what I'm hearing right now is that there were multiple crime scenes with each sex attack. There is the point of kidnap. There is the vehicle inside the car. And my mind is racing with the possibilities of all of the forensic evidence that can be obtained from the car. The point of the kidnapping, I'm already thinking, were there surveillance cameras? What can I do to gather information and marshal that information to turn it into evidence? You've got the vehicle, you've got the route, if it could ever be identified. I don't know if the women were blindfolded or pushed down a seat where they couldn't see where they were going. But as in the case of Jennifer Dulos, the missing Connecticut mom of five, I just can't get over how Connecticut police put together kind of a video surveillance, video surveillance reel, really is what it was, the defendant at this red light, then that red

light. And the one that really grabbed me is when they managed to get a public transit bus. And when the doors to that bus opened, the camera caught the defendant, Fotis Dulos, Jennifer's husband, go by in a car. I mean, they tracked his every movement along the route up to where he went to have the murder vehicle cleaned out and detailed. So I'm just wondering if that type of evidence could be obtained in this case, if we can track the route. So you've got the primary crime scene of the kidnapping, the secondary crime scene,

the exportation, as it is called in the law, in the vehicle, and then the third tertiary crime scene would be where the rape, where the sex attack occurred. Bob, once he had raped these women, specifically Lori, what, did he just dump her out right there? I think that's the allegation that he just left them there and he took off.

Did the rape occur in his vehicle? No, I think Lori's took place outside because I think she got out of the car and ran and he tackled her and attacked her. And then there was also the fourth victim who he was already at the scene, according to the complaint, and he tackled her from behind. So that happened outside the car as well. The other two, I just don't know. So what do you make of that, Robert Crispin, joining us, private investigator, former fed with the DOJ Department of Justice? What do you make of the changing M.O.s? You know, people always go, oh, this isn't him because it's a little bit of a different M.O. No, perps change their M.O.s when they need to. They do. And these things just depending on how long it goes and before you get caught, they escalate. They get more and more violence.

Joining me right now, in addition to Bob Ward, Robert Crispin, Dr. Sherry Schwartz and Jean Fisher, Rachel Countryman is joining us. Forensic nurse expert for Godoy Medical Forensics. She's a sex assault nurse examiner. SANE. Sex assault nurse examiner. Rachel, thank you so much for being with us. So once the woman, the victim in this case, has been attacked, if she's got the guts and if she can bring herself to do it, she then goes in for a rape kit exam. Explain what that is, Rachel. Yeah, Nancy. So a sexual assault forensic examination, also called a SAFE, is a medical exam. So first and foremost. So patients come in, we look at them for possible injuries, treating them for acute injuries.

And then as we are doing that, we're doing a comprehensive head-to-toe exam. With that, we are collecting evidence. I mean, we have to remember that, you know, the crime scene, there's evidence of the crime scene, but their bodies, the clothing they're wearing, or any of their personal belongings can also be described as a crime scene. So DNA evidence could be collected from them during this exam. You know, when you describe it that way, it doesn't sound so bad, but it actually is bad. So what a rape kit exam entails requires you to perform a pelvic exam, not just regarding the woman's vagina, but her rectum as well. Yes. So this exam is very intimate, I like to say. Intimate. That's one that's certainly putting perfume on the pig. I don't know if I'd call it

more invasive. Yes. And invasive. You are absolutely right. So we talked about the trauma that these victims are going through and the emotions that they're feeling. And yes, as you described, we do need to look very carefully in their genital area, especially if there was penetration there or their anus. And we are using a speculum. So not only may they have injuries there and bleeding or pain, but we're having to use a speculum to look inside the victim to see if there are injuries inside as well. And sometimes with these really violent crimes, they may need to go and have surgery done. You know, turning to the rectum or the anal exam, as you described, people don't like to have that done as a medical exam, let alone when they've been violated. We also have an instrument called an anoscope, which is very similar to a speculum, where it is inserted into the anus, into the rectal canal. And that allows us to be able to look inside, again, to look for injuries and collect swabs.

So very intrusive, very invasive procedures. And it takes hours. Like we're not talking about someone coming in and 30 minutes minutes they're out the door. We're talking four to six hours minimum. And that's just depending on what we're looking at, what kind of injuries we're documenting and photographing and all of that. What types of surgeries do rape victims sometimes have to undergo? Well, depending on what the injuries could be, there could be lacerations inside the body. So just from force or if objects were used, they can be lacerated in the vaginal canal. They could have injuries inside the rectum or the anus too. So those are the type of things mostly that would be like an acute

injury that would need surgery. So that is what Lori Pinkham and many, many other rape victims endure. But then we learn about a link, a link to other rapes. How did it happen? Take a listen to Lori herself speaking to our friends at ABC. Prosecutors say DNA testing linked Nilo to Lori's unsolved sexual assault case and to three others. When you looked at a picture of the suspect, what did you notice? His eyes. His eyes mostly. I just remember them because they were like black. Are you confident that this is the guy? Yes. Absolutely. Authorities say they checked DNA from the victim's rape kits against publicly accessible genealogy websites, eventually leading them to Nilo who

has pleaded not guilty to seven counts. Lori vowing to face him in court. I want him to know that I'm not scared of him at all. Back to investigative reporter joining us from Boston 25 Bob Ward. Who is Matthew Nilo, Bob? Well, it turns out he's a young man. He's an attorney in New Jersey. He has a really good job. He's making some money, was engaged, became engaged just a short time, according to his Facebook, became engaged a short time before he was arrested. He went to school. He grew up here in Boston. He went to Boston Latin. He lived in the North end of Boston. And then when he left, when he graduated high school, he went off to study psychology at the University of Wisconsin in Madison, got his law degree in 2015, and then moved out to New York. Worked in San Francisco for a while. Had a job at a law firm there. Came to New York in 2019, admitted to the bar.

And he worked for a cyber insurance company called Cowbell. He was a cyber claims counsel. And he was hired, according to the company, in January 2023 after he passed a background check. So he was living a good life as a corporate attorney, Nancy. So this is a guy who has passed the bar. He has had positions that are pretty impressive, yet he managed to keep his alleged double life as a serial rapist. Totally secret, Bob. You know, these rapes were stranger rapes where the victim doesn't know who the attacker is. And when these rapes were committed, there was no connection between the two of them. And we can't get inside his head,

but it appears he put enough time and space between these events and his new life he probably thought they would never find him and if it wasn't for the emergence of this genealogical family history dna he probably could have gotten away with this when you say he put enough time and space between him and the rapes what do you mean by that bob i mean the amount of years you know uh 2007 2008 16 years it's another lifetime ago. And then he goes, he leaves New England. He's living currently in New Jersey, but he also went out West. He goes out in Wisconsin and he's in San Francisco. You know, if in his mind, I would think, I mean, they're experts on the panel know better than I do, but I can see where he would think that I got away with that.

They're never going to find me. There's no connection between myself and the victims, and I can move on with my life. Except for DNA. Take a listen to our cut to the Boston Police Commissioner, Michael Cox. This arrest accumulates the investigation that employed the use of forensic genealogy from recovered evidence. All four cases are DNA connected. These investigations utilize sexual assault evidence collection kits, which is with the assistance of detectives in identifying the suspects as the investigations continue. Added resources for this investigation, in addition to

the assistance from our partners at the DA's office and the FBI, were provided through the Sexual Assault Kit Initiative grant, better known as SOCI. And our cut one, the Boston Police Commissioner. Late this afternoon, the Boston Police Department, along with the New Jersey and the Boston FBI offices, as well as the Hudson County Sheriff's Office, arrested Matthew Nilo Nilo age 35 formerly of the Boston North End. Nilo is charged with three counts of aggravated rape, two counts of kidnapping, one count of assault with intent to rape and one count of indecent assault and battery. The arrest stemmed from a sexual assault incidents committed on August 18th 2007 November

22nd 2007 August 5th 2008 December 23rd 2008 in the terminal street area of Charlestown so for all these years this rapist walked free he was out free roaming the streets having now passed the bar and held down multiple positions as a lawyer to rape Lori. According to prosecutors, take a listen to our cut for our friends at CBS2. He was under surveillance when investigators tracked corporate Manhattan attorney Matthew Nilo down at an event, swooping in and grabbing DNA from his utensils and the glass he drank from. How do you plead to those offenses? His fiancee watching, clutching rosary beads as prosecutors accused him of raping three women as many as 16 years ago.

They also say he tried to attack a fourth. And more. August 18th, 2007, his first reported case. The male told her to shut up or he would kill her and that he had a fourth. And more. August 18th, 2007, his first reported case. The male told her to shut up or he would kill her and that he had a weapon. November 22nd, 2007, a second one. Where he ordered the victim out of the car, knocked her to the ground and raped her. Then August 5th, 2008, a third rape. That kid yielded a male DNA profile which was matched to the unknown male profile from the previous two. December 23, 2008, a fourth woman was able to stop her attacker. Prosecutors say the DNA from a glove shows another likely link. We see the same MO here, the same method of

operation. But to build a case simply on copycat crimes is difficult. I've done it before. The DNA makes all the difference. Joining me right now, renowned in his field, Michael Brophy with Brophy Professional Genealogy and Air Searching. He is a professional genealogist based in Boston. You can find him at brophygen.com. Michael, thank you for being with us. Explain the type of DNA that was used to match up these cases and identify 35-year-old Matthew Nilo. Nancy, thank you for having me. The type of testing that was done, according to one report, was done by a company called 23andMe, which is known for medical testing for predispositions to some genetic disorders. Basically, what happens in these cases is that law enforcement uses investigative genealogy and the DNA testing databases to upload a DNA profile recovered from evidence from the case, from the crime scene.

And then they'll match it to a DNA database like 23andMe, according to one report that I saw. And basically what happens is that they will match it up to a relative, and then the genealogist will go and trace the family tree forward to a person of interest. I think it's important to know that the techniques used by investigative genealogists do not solve the crime, but they provide good leads for law enforcement to track down a person who may have committed this. And I get the feeling from this that there may have been more than one suspect on this, if this goes in the way that most cases go. I don't know of any other suspects. Do you, Bob Ward? No, I think he's the only suspect. We just saw in, for instance, just an example in the Brian Koberger case, the DNA match was one out of 5.3 octillion likelihood that the DNA donor is anybody but Brian Koberger.

I mean, that's more people than live on the planet or have ever lived on planet Earth. So I don't know about any other suspect that would have even a similar DNA match other than Matthew Nilo, the lawyer. Yeah, I think what I meant to say was that there is, when you're tracing the family tree forward, usually there are several people of interest. And perhaps the law enforcement, when they went out and tried to search for a particular person, Mr. Nilo or otherwise, they eliminated some people based on lack of a DNA match when they recovered his DNA from the silverware and the water glass, I believe it was, of this corporate function that he was attending. So, yeah, I mean, to your point, I don't believe that there were any other suspects in this case, but to do their due diligence, I believe law enforcement would have to look at a number

of different people and then narrow it down to this particular guy. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Bob Ward joining us from Boston 25. Could you describe what Michael Brophy was discussing regarding get the full match. And he would have been on his list of people. He would have lived in the North end at the time. There was a sketch produced at the time of these, uh, these rapes, these attacks. Um, he looks like the sketch. So they zeroed in on him and they had to follow him around, put him on surveillance. And they found an event that he attended where they could watch him take a drink from a glass, use some utensils, and then when he put those things down, they grabbed them. And that's what they used. That's where they got his DNA to run against their unknown sample

off these rape kits. The same thing they did in the Boston Strangler case when they came up with an arrest in 2013. They got a family member of Albert DeSalvo. It did the exact same thing. Boston police. And they got a DNA match for the final victim of the Boston Strangler. So it's interesting. It's an interesting technique. It really is.

I've seen DNA matches taken off of a discarded pizza crust before. You know, and again, to the Koberger case, the Koberger father's DNA, I believe, was taken off a cigarette butt that he had thrown out. It was taken off trash the father had thrown out at his home in the Poconos. Dr. Sherry Schwartz is joining us, forensic psychologist. Dr. Sherry, he really thought he was home free. He was living the life with a new beautiful fiance. Now he's passed the bar, holding down a corporate job, living large and throwing out or discarding, abandoning the silverware and cutlery at this corporate event. No idea the cops were surveilling him. No, that's pretty clear that he really thought he had gotten away with this and that he was living his best life in, from what I understand, a luxury condominium complex in New Jersey, you know, having his dream job as an attorney and that this was all far behind him. So I imagine that it was quite a shock to him. I did see a photo of him in one of the news stories where it appears to me he looks very angry and almost indignant at having been caught.

Yeah. Amazing that he's angry that he's gotten caught. It's also amazing how, you know, and I'm sure you've seen this many times, Gene Fisher, Gene, chief deputy prosecutor out of Boise, who's handled so many rape cases, Gene, how the rape victim's life is forever changed. Like you hear Lori describing how she lost her freedom. She can't go out. She can't interact with people after being kidnapped and brutally raped. It's changed her forever. And here's this guy charged with all these rapes, this lawyer out of New Jersey, and he's living large. He's got a whole new life. Corporate legal job, new fiance, the works. It's like none of this meant anything to him.

He's probably already forgotten about it all. Yeah. And these victims, like she said, Lori said, her life has completely been changed. Everything that she's done in her daily life since that time has changed as far as not only who she thinks she is herself, but how she perceives everybody else around her. Um, and that constant sense of looking over your shoulder, um, that, you know, you're, that you're not safe. Um, it is, it is, you know, that's what I think makes these crimes just so, so

difficult. Um, and unfortunately I still don't think that the penalties oftentimes match the victimization that rape victims go through. People just don't understand how much it changes their lives and really alters who they were and who they've become. There's a sense of powerlessness that I have picked up from rape victims and child molestation victims. They feel powerless to control anything after the attack. Well, this certainly is the first time a rapist has committed rapes in the past. Years go by. The rapist is unapprehended and strikes again. Take a listen to our cut 25, our friends at WREG. I'm sure nobody

has forgotten the case of teacher Eliza Fletcher out for a run in Memphis when she's attacked by a serial rapist. Take a listen. A recently tested rape kit from a case back on September 21st of last year has been connected to a man charged with kidnapping and murdering Eliza Fletcher. The DNA match came back the same day Fletcher's body was found behind an abandoned house in South Memphis. According to Memphis police, a sexual assault report was taken on September 21st, 2021. The sexual assault kit was submitted to the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation two days later. But of course, there's nothing to compare that to.

In other words, they didn't have the perp's DNA to make a comparison to the rape DNA. It went unsolved until he murdered Eliza Fletcher. And just because he's a lawyer, that doesn't mean a hill of beans. Here's an example of a medical doctor who is a serial rapist. Take a listen to our cut 14, Fox 31. A local doctor is facing sexual assault charges and Denver police believe that there could be more victims out there. According to court documents, Stephen Matthews was last arrested last month after a woman told investigators that she was the victim of a date rape attack in January.

He's facing three felony charges related to that case. Now, investigators say that they've received, quote, subsequent information indicating that there may have been other incidents involving Matthews. If you have any information, contact the police department. A renowned cardiologist, that's who we're talking about, now believed to be a serial rapist. Back to you, Bob Ward, it can be a dentist, it can be a doctor, in this case, a lawyer. It can be a pastor. It doesn't have to be some thug hiding behind a bush that jumps out in the middle of the night. But in this case, I'm very curious as to why a serial rapist has made bond, number one.

And number two, I think that the database needs to be searched in Wisconsin, in San Francisco. An entire national database search needs to be done because I find it hard to believe that he went dormant for that number of years before he started raping again. Right. And it cuts to what you were talking about, why these rapes happen. It's not for the sex. It's for the for the power. There's something else going on. And how does that urge just suddenly leave that person if they feel they're invincible, that they can get away with it and nothing is ever going to happen to them? I agree with you. I think, and I've read that they are searching out Wisconsin where he went to college, which would be an obvious place to be checking because these other attacks took place, I think, around the time he was getting

out of high school. No, I'd have to go back and check. I don't want to commit to that. But they have to check where he was and what he was doing and see if there are more unsolved attacks like that. Another issue is why has this guy made bond? Yeah. I don't care how much his beautiful fiance is sitting in the corner of the courtroom clutching a rosary. He does not need to be out on bond. They gave him a high bail of $5 million. So she posted a healthy amount of money,

$500,000 cash to put them on a GPS. But you're right, GPS monitoring devices only work so well. And I can't tell you how many cases I've covered where people waiting trial, rapists cut their GPS and just take off. And if anyone has the means to do something like this, if they can post half a million dollars bail, I would think there's money there that if he really wanted to flee, he could. Oh, yes, he could flee, Bob Ward. We wait as justice unfolds. Goodbye, friend.

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