Crime Stories with Nancy Grace - STEPHEN SMITH BODY EXHUMED, High Security Escorts Body to Tampa

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

The body of Stephen Smith has been exhumed, autopsied and reinterred.  A SLED security team accompanied the body to a location in Florida where the examination took place. Information on the new autopsy has not be released yet.  Meanwhile,  news of two possible persons of interest has come to light.  Investigation into those leads are continuing.  Stephen Smith's body was discovered on a rural road in Hampton county back in 2015. Just 2-weeks ago the South Carolina law enforcement division announced they are now investigating Smith's death as a homicide. Smith's death was initially investigated as a hit-and-run but investigators say the evidence did not support that as a cause of death. Joining Nancy Grace Today: Eric Bland-Attorney for Sandy Smith & Gloria Satterfield’s sons- Founder/Partner- Bland Richer, LLP Attorneys at Law, Twitter: @TheEricBland; Co-host of ‘Cup of Justice’ podcast. Dr. Carla Manly- Clinical Psychologist, Author “Date Smart: Transform Your Relationships & Love Fearlessly" Dr. Kenny Kinsey- Kenny Kinsey & Associates LLC, Forensic expert in Murdaugh murder trial; Orangeburg County Chief Deputy, Crime Scene Reconstruction Expert, and Former SLED Special Agent; Twitter: @DrKennethKinsey  Dr. Michelle DuPre- Former Forensic Pathologist, Medical Examiner, and Detective: Lexington County Sheriff's Department; Author: "Homicide Investigation Field Guide" & "Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide", Forensic Consultant Jennifer Wood-Director of research at FITSNews.com, Twitter: @IndyJenn_ See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an iHeart Podcast. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, we learned that teen boy Stephen Smith's body has been exhumed. In other words, dug up for another autopsy. Do we know who killed Stephen Smith? No, we do not. But we are hot on the trail.

This as we learn about two new POIs, persons of interest. And yes, there seemingly is still someone in the Murdoch camp stirring this pot. Also, a reward has just been issued for info as it relates to Stephen Smith's death,

now ruled a homicide. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 111. First of all, take a listen to our friends at WCBD. Smith's body and perform an independent autopsy. Richter previously told News 2 Smith's family was looking to hire a local and national pathologist to examine the body. Stephen Smith's body was discovered on a rural road in Hampton County back in 2015. Just two weeks ago, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division announced they are now investigating Smith's death as a homicide.

Smith's death was initially investigated as a hit and run, but investigators say the evidence did not support that as a cause of death. Guys, you were just hearing our friends at WCBD. We have been waiting so long for this exhumation to take place, so hopefully we can get answers regarding the death of Stephen Smith. But something even more extraordinary has occurred. We have learned that while the body is being exhumed, that not one but two POI's persons of interest have emerged. Take a listen to WTOC. South Carolina Highway Patrol and former Hampton County police officer Nick Ginn reveal a tipster made authorities aware of two potential suspects in 19-year-old Stephen Smith's death.

We'll call them person one and person two. Can you tell me what was told to you? We've tried to get in touch with him, but he's kind of avoiding the call, the contact and all. This is what I was told. He said, come over here to the house. He said, he told me that was drunk and hit something. Drunk and hit something. Joining me in All-Star panel, including Eric Bland,

who is helping to lead Stephen Smith's family through this horrible time for them, hopefully a light at the end of the tunnel. But first to Jennifer Wood, Director of Research at FitzNews.com. Jennifer, so much is happening so quickly in the Stephen Smith investigation. You know what? Let me correct myself. It's not quickly because he was killed. This is a homicide back in 2015. So it's not really quick when you look at the big picture,

but a lot happening in the last few days. Now I've seen the names of P.O.I.1 and P.O.I.2, and this is what I understand is happening, Jennifer, that these two guys are out in a big truck with mud wheels big tires and they hit Stephen Smith one of them comes back the next day to see what he ran over and sees a bunch of police there that's number one we'll let him be the driver then number two blurts it out to his stepfather and his stepfather is advised by Randy Murdoch who is representing him on other matters to tell cops about person one and person two. Is that correct? That's exactly it. Okay you tell me tell me because I've got a cursory understanding. You tell me the whole thing Jennifer. Thank Thank you for being with us, everybody. Jennifer Wood from Fitz News.

Go ahead, Jennifer. Both of these individuals were listed. I mean, they've always been in the investigative files. So the stepfather had relayed to a friend in the police department, who's a Sheriff's deputy, that his stepson had reported that he had hit something in the road with another friend and was very upset about it. He, the footstep that he threw up, and that person was advised by Randy Murdoch, um, Alex's brother, older brother, to report it to

police. So police did follow up on this lead. I can't see anywhere in the file where they spoke directly with individual one or two. You know, Eric Bland joining me, high profile lawyer out of South Carolina, co-host of Cup of Justice podcast. Eric, that's a day late and a dollar short. And I don't want to take our precious time together, this whole panel bashing what the

cops didn't do at that time, SLED and Highway Patrol. But in the investigative files, as Jennifer Wood accurately points out, that means nothing to me. You put a name in a file and forget about it for eight years? Okay, I guess you can call that policing. Are these names secret? Because I know who they are. Is PO-1 or PO-1 and PO-2 being broadcast?

The answer is yes, and I think it's dangerous for the individuals involved. My understanding is they've received some threats, too. I think it interferes with the investigation that SLED is doing. I disagreed that the South Carolina Highway Patrol should have ever released that investigative file because the investigation did not close. Yes, when you close an investigation, you release a file. But this was turned into a cold crime case. It was never closed. And the file shouldn't have been released. I agree with that.

These people that are being outed, Nancy, it would it causes other people who may have wanted to come forward or have an inkling. Should I come forward or not come forward? The fact that they're now being outed, I think, could be a situation where it retards somebody from coming forward. So I think it's dangerous and reckless. Guys, take a listen to our friends at WTOC. He said he went back the next day to see what it was he had hit. And he's seen a lot of police out there. So he talked to one of the cops and then he had left. And then he learned, I guess by media, that somebody had been killed in that same area.

The tipster told Ginn person one was visibly distraught. He was crying telling him. And after he got finished telling the story, he walked outside his house and threw up. So Aaron Bland, I agree. Files are not to be released until the investigation is over. This investigation is going on, but come on, get real, Bland.

They've been, let me think of a right way to say it that I can actually say on air, screwing around since 2015. What? If we didn't know all this, they may still be screwing around. Okay. And we wouldn't know anything. And they will be saying it's an ongoing investigation. Sorry. If Stephen Smith's

mother had not started to go fund me to exhume Stephen's body, which I want to ask you about, is she really having to pay for the private autopsy but that said they were shamed into working this case and I'm embarrassed I am former law enforcement and they basically had to be shamed into doing anything also to you bland why is Randy Murdoch part of this telling a POI dad stepfather hey you better tell police about your stepson and his buddy that hit Stephen Smith in the road. Why is he doing that? I don't know.

It seems like he's all over this case because as you recall, he went to the accident scene allegedly and also called Sandy Smith and her husband, Joel, who he was representing. So he seems to be on all sides of this situation. I don't know, but that's something for SLED to figure out. As to your comment, SLED has really picked up the ball.

I like the way that you did mention they dropped it, but I'm glad they picked it up. Go ahead. They made a decision that they needed to get the Alex Murdoch conviction first so that people will come forward and talk. Nancy, they spent $100,000 at least on helping me do the exhumation this weekend with Dr. Dupree and transporting the body to Florida, coming back and reinterning it. The number of officers that were dedicated to this was extraordinary. We coordinated this and we had a small window Wednesday night to make the plans to get the exhumation done. I did not want the media to be there. Certainly Sandy Smith didn't want it to

be there, nor did Chief Keel. And Dr. Dupree was there on site, my boots on the ground. We got the body out Friday morning. She escorted it to Florida with a sled patrol in front and behind of the vehicle that Stephen was in, participated in the autopsy. The autopsy concluded. We brought Stephen back, and he was reinterred in a new coffin Sunday afternoon. It was a perfect weekend to give Sandy Smith some peace. Remember, it's an extremely stressful time when you take a son out of the ground. So I very much appreciate what SLED did to make sure that this went through. You know what, Eric Bland?

I am too. You know I'm a fan of SLED. After I saw what they did in the Alex Murdaugh prosecution, they went to any and all ethical and moral lengths to secure that conviction. But I, right now I'm having a hard time imagining what Ms. Smith has been going through. Correct. Correct.

Because, you know, I've shown you so many pictures of my twins, John, David, and Lucy. I can't imagine the pain and the grief that she's already gone through and now having to go through the exhumation. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You all saw during the Murdoch double murder trial, Dr. Kenny Kinsey. Dr. Kinsey put the lock on that conviction with his testimony. His down-to-earth explanation of very confusing technical evidence. And that is what the jury needed to hear. That's what I needed to hear. And to this day, I say that is why top mom Casey Anthony walked. Because there was so much scientific and medical data to be unraveled. There was just not a voice that explained it in a way non-technicians like myself can really understand. I'm about to go to Dr. Kenny Kinsey,

but I also want you to know Dr. Carla Manley is with us, clinical psychologist and author, and the renowned medical examiner who was part of the excavation of Stephen Smith, Dr. Michelle Dupree. I'm proud to call her not only my colleague, but my friend. Dr. Kenny Kinsey with Kenny Kinsey and Associates Forensic Expert in the Murdoch Murder Trial. Orangebury County Chief Deputy Crime Scene Reconstructionist, former SLED on Twitter at Dr. Kenneth Kinsey.

I mean, I could keep going, but I'm running out of air. Dr. Kenny Kinsey, I would like to hear your analysis of what we know so far regarding Stephen Smith investigation. Thank you so much for those kind words, Ms. Nancy. All true. Well, we know that there's a mother that needs answers. And, you know, the natural progression of things isn't to bury your children. But when the unthinkable happens it it's an awful long road to hoe for a family and i'm we know we have even in the middle of that lonely road

in hampton county we know that there are many possibilities as to what happened to Stephen. I'm just hoping that someone will come forward or we can uncover or we can assist SLED in uncovering the truth. And whatever the truth is, I just hope the Smith family can gain a little bit of solace from it. We've been boots on the ground all weekend, just going and checking some things in Hampton. I walked a lot more real estate than I've walked in quite a while and made some contacts. And certainly Mr. Bland and Mr. Richter and we'll be passing those on, that information to SLED. And there's some things that we're going to do too with this parallel investigation and I'm just thankful to be here to lend assistance and hopefully we can help get the Smith family some answers.

Guys with me, I'm sure many of you became a fan of Dr. Kenneth Kinsey when he was on the stand in the Murdoch double murder trial and I agree with all of your sentiments. Guys with me now, in addition to Dr. Carla Manley, is Dr. Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former detective, and author of the Homicide Investigation Field Guide. I think that says it all. Dr. Dupree, tell me, without jeopardizing

any future testimony that may occur, what went through your mind during your part of the exhumation of Stephen Smith's body? Well, Nancy, I was just happy that we were able to do it and do it quickly and quietly. And again, all of us just searching for the answers that are going to give this family some peace and some solace. And, you know, I think we got what we needed. I don't know what you mean by that. Could you explain? Not really. I just think that, you know, exhuming

the body, having a second look autopsy, you know, we're going to get the answers that we need through the investigation. Did you take the body? Did you go along with the transport of the body? I did. I was there from the time the body was removed from the ground until it was put back into the ground. The entire time? The entire time. So you can vouch for any chain of custody issues, is that correct? Absolutely.

As can SLED. They were there as well the entire time, a police escort. Did you agree with the procedures that were followed during the exhumation and the autopsy, the re-autopsy of Stephen Smith? I absolutely did. It was very professional, and it was just by the book. What does that mean, just by the book? Just, again, very professional and done the way that it should have been done from beginning to end. How is the second autopsy of a body that has already been embalmed, has already been buried for some time, years in this case.

How is that different from an original autopsy? Well, you know, the body is different. It has changed. It has already been autopsied. And so the condition of the body is always a concern. But like I said, we were able to do everything we needed to do and do that second autopsy from beginning to end. We did a complete second autopsy. Now, I look at everything in the world. I don't know if you're like this bland after law school, but everything in my mind immediately. It's like I'm interpreting a language, a sentence from Spanish to English.

I'm interpreting what does that mean as far as evidence goes. You are telling me that you, quote, got what you think you needed in the second autopsy. That tells me, A, even though you said there had been changes in the body, that the body was intact to the extent that you could perform a second autopsy. Is that correct, doctor? Absolutely. And that the embalming process and the time buried did not in any way impede your findings? That is correct.

Where was the autopsy performed? Tampa, Florida with Dr. Schultz. To Eric Bland joining me who is representing the Steven Smith family, how did you decide on Schultz? It was a combination between Dr. Dupree, Ronnie Richter and me and a number of people who offered suggestions. We also had Heather Haney, who is a... Anthropologist. Yeah, anthropologist. And she lent a hand. Plus, SLED sent some officials that had experience as well. Chief Kiel Nancy asked us to not interfere at this time with the investigation.

And we turned over all the evidence that was gathered, the notes and everything that's led. He has promised me, and from what we've seen, I think he's going to follow through, a full bore investigation into Stephen's death. He has committed to manpower. I don't have law enforcement authority. into Stephen's death. He has committed to manpower. I don't have law enforcement authority. Dr. Kinsey doesn't have law enforcement authority.

But they have asked us to assist on a parallel track, not doing interviews that they should do and not interfering with persons of interest. But a lot comes into us. Dr. Kinsey gets emails and tips. I get emails and tips. And we're sharing those with SLED. So I think we have a dual investigation going on with SLED having primary authority, obviously, because they can issue warrants and they can impanel grand jury and do

things that we can't do and i am very very enthusiastic and optimistic that the progress is going to be made look what we did in two weeks of being retained we were able to get the coroner the department of health environmental control uh to go with this, exhume the body and do it outside the presence of media. Get it down to Florida. Get a full autopsy done. The report, I expect, will be coming this week. I understand the findings. Dr. Dupree certainly knows the findings. And Chief Keel asked us not to share those with the public because he feels it would interfere with his investigation. And I have to go along with it.

Okay, Eric Bland is joining me, high profile lawyer working on the case with Stephen Smith's mom. So, you know, the autopsy findings, but you're keeping them secret. Is that correct? Secret's a tough word, but yeah, we're not disclosing them to the public, which is contrary to what I said we were going to do. Eric, how did Stephen Smith's body, how was it transported to Tampa? By plane or by car? In a van. It stayed in the vault. You can't open it up, the coffin, because no air can get in it

until you're in the secure surgical room. And it was pulled out of the ground by a crane with cables. Dr. Dupree oversaw that. It was then taken to Somerville, South Carolina to a warehouse where it was transferred into a van. Bled then had their officers there with unmarked cars. We had unmarked cars so that it looked like it was just a funeral that was going on. And then they transported them to Florida. Dr. Michelle Dupree drove along and all of it was done in 24 hours. Just an amazing coordination of a number of people. I've got a question, Bland.

How did you keep it secret from the public? I asked people during the weekend when I was getting media requests that I was going to take off the weekend. I wasn't feeling well, which is true with knee surgery. And we just cut off all the phones and nobody got wind of it. That's pretty amazing. Was Stephen Smith's mother there? She was. She was.

She was. She was there with David Moses and Mandy Matney, who are extremely close with her. And my associate, Scott Mangilla, was there. To Dr. Carla Manley, clinical psychologist and author of Date Smart, Transforming Relationships in Love Fearlessly. You can find her at drcarlamanley.com. Dr. Carla, what type of emotional trauma is this going to trigger for Stephen Smith's mother who's already been through so much and now she's back when her son's body is lifted out of the earth with a crane? It's absolutely heartbreaking.

When you think about the process of grief, where we have the loss, then we begin the grieving process, then ideally we move to closure. That entire dynamic is extremely traumatizing, especially when it's a child. In a situation like this, we enter the realm of re-traumatizing the parents, the family, and really complicating the grief to a degree that it can take so much more healing and professional support to move through these kinds of processes. It's incredibly difficult on the person's psyche. I mean, I still recall my fiancé's funeral when I learned that he had been murdered, the burial. I can't even imagine her standing lightly as a trauma specialist I'm acutely aware that this is what we call a big t trauma and the loss of a son is a big treat big t trauma loss of

a child you go into an exhuming the body after trying to find peace you know year after year and then again to be re-traumatized. I can't imagine what she's going through. Jennifer Wood is joining me from Fitz News. You can find her at FitzNews.com on Twitter at IndieJen underscore. Jennifer, again, thank you for being with us. What can you tell me about Stephen Smith's rape kit reportedly being lost? And also the paint chips, I believe that may be blue. They were found on either his clothing or his body.

Were they not found during the initial autopsy? Were they actually found at the funeral home? Nancy, it's Eric real quick. Yes. I'm going to say this only because I don't want SLED to get slammed anymore. The rape kit has been located ptl rape kit located and the paint chips were found and tested by the sled lab wonderful so they were found at the lab and they were tested yes and we do have the rape kit that's's huge, big news. Jennifer Wood, do you know whether the paint chips are from a vehicle?

I think they initially tested the paint chips back right after the accident. And so that, I mean, there were not a lot of them, but they said that it could have come from a 1982 to 1988 Toyota vehicle or some sort of industrial equipment or red blood. Guys, speaking of the truck that we believe was involved in the crash, not accident, crash that killed Stephen Smith, I want you to hear what was said. WTOC, listen.

They also say person two, the driver of the truck, may have tried to cover up evidence. Supposedly he had fixed his mirror. He had patched one of the mirrors up on the truck. Both officers acknowledged this was the only concrete lead they'd come across in this investigation. Well, you know, I heard some rumors around town, but as far as anything that I could say that had any kind of possible validity would be this. Right, just the only thing you've heard prior to this is rumors. Right.

Okay. Jennifer Wood, what can you tell me, what, if any, progress do you understand is being made regarding Person of Inter interest one and two? So, I mean, our sources are just telling us that they're persons of interest. I think they're running the investigation, I mean, from scratch. I think Eric probably can speak more to that. But my understanding is, you know, they're going back through all of the stuff they collected initially and re-interviewing people.

Eric Bland joining us, attorney for Sandy Smith, as well as the Satterfield family. Eric, are these two guys still living and are they in the same area, POI 1 and 2? I do not have any idea whether they're living where they are. Again, I'm not going to talk about it because I believe talking about it hurts the investigation and causes other people who may want to come forward to keep their mouth shut. And as Dr. Kinsey said, this is a case that isn't going to be solved by the scientific evidence. It's going to be solved by somebody finally breaking the seal and saying what happened or a good piece of information that they heard at a party that will break the investigation. And I think if we keep talking about persons of interest,

this thing is just going to die without ever knowing how it happened. Hmm. I don't know why you would say that. Because finding persons of interest, and I'm specifically not publicizing their names. Right. Let SLED do that. They're not going to share them with me. Well, they don't have to share them. They've been published. Right. But that said, there is another player in this who sheds light on what happened the night Stephen Smith was killed.

Take a listen to Hour Cut 53 from WCIV. M.A.T.E. interviewed dozens of people as they investigated Stephen's death in 2015. At the time, they interviewed Mark Burkhart, a man who says he was dating Stephen at the time of his death. He says he spoke to Smith the morning he was found in the middle of the road and that the last time they spoke was around 3.30 a.m. I asked him on one of the calls, are you walking? Because he already told me he was running out of gas at one of the calls before. And I says, are you walking? Because I hear cars going by and he his answer to me was no and then the call dropped I couldn't come get him and that was what I was saying I

didn't have enough gas and he didn't want me to come with the gas that was in the car so I believe Jennifer Wood joining us from Fitz News based on what that witness is saying we can safely assume that he Stephen Smith did in fact run out of gas that night. Yeah, it sounds like based on communications with this man who alleges he was dating Stephen at the time, he had run out of gas and he didn't want him to balk but wasn't able to go get him. To Dr. Kenny Kinsey joining us, who we all saw on the stand during the Alex Murdoch double murder trial. Dr. Kinsey, what is your take on person of interest one and two? I mean, the only way I can imagine that they would not be involved somehow is if the stepfather were lying. Nancy, you know, with critical incidents like these,

a lot of people will hear a little story, and sometimes they will fabricate and add to it. I believe that FLED position, and like Mr. Bland said, we're going to cooperate and pass on any information we get. But I've got a lot of confidence in the men and women at FLED, despite anything that's said to the contrary. I believe they will locate these two persons and even more than just these two. And they're going to get that information. We identify the rumors and we try to keep things from being added to the story because that many times will send them off down a rabbit hole.

And it takes away from the good of the investigation and the accurate information. So they have that information. They have many resources. And I'm sure if they haven't't they'll be speaking to those individuals if possible in the near future. Okay I'm not really sure what you just said and I touted you as being plain spoken but that sounded to me like you're dancing around the question regarding person of interest one and two. Person of interest one's stepfather goes to police and says my stepson was with POI-2 the night Stephen Smith was killed. POI-2 ran over him and Randy Murdoch told me to come talk to you. Do I have that right,

Jennifer Wood? Am I missing something? No, that's exactly what's important. Yeah, you certainly have it right, Ms. Nancy. But, you know, there's two ways to look at this, and I haven't boxed myself in either way. One is that he was intentionally run over. That would make it a crime. Someone hit him and knew they hit him. That certainly would make it a crime. He was killed somewhere else. That would make it a crime.

Or someone may be unaware. And I don't want to box myself in or make an opinion at this point in time, because that will limit any help that I may give to this investigation. So I'm just trying to keep an open mind. But what I will say is those persons of interest, if they haven't been interviewed by sled and if it's possible i'm sure they're on a uh golden rod somewhere to be interviewed and i would hate to jeopardize it with any innuendo or anything i might add okay point well taken crime stories with nancy grace jennifer wood maybe i've somehow wandered into alice Wonderland, and maybe I'm the one that's completely wrong. But I see it very clearly.

Either the stepfather was lying, and his stepson didn't say that. Or he's telling the truth, and the stepson did say that. Now, if the stepson said it, we've got to figure out if it was true. But do you at least agree with me that far? Absolutely. I mean, the rumor, Hampton is a small community and the rumor mill is wild, for lack of a better word. So I do think they're probably going through all of this information from the initial investigation and trying to discern what's rumors and what is not. But to me, that is a clear, yeah, we need to look at this very closely.

Dr. Michelle Dupree, were the paint chips from a vehicle or from some other object? We really don't know. The database only tells us that it is either from those vehicles or from an industrial object. What has been hanging over this case from the very beginning of the investigation in a Stephen Smith case is the name Murdoch. Take a listen to our cut 58 from Corporal Michael Duncan. Other than Mark, has anybody else, have you heard any rumors or anything like that? Other than, anything other than other than anything other than mark the rumors just going around hampton

that everybody keeps coming up to me and saying it was murdoch boys the murdoch boys yes whoever they are okay all right and um and and when you said did they give any kind of description of what they mean why they think it's the murdoch boys? Yeah, I know. Okay, Buster Murdoch has made it very clear. He has said, point blank, I had nothing to do with Stephen Smith's death, and my heart goes out to his mother. I think part of the confusion may be, Eric Bland, is that we keep hearing the name Randy Murdoch,

who is Alex Murdoch's brother, who is Buster Murdoch's uncle, that he offered to represent Stephen Smith's family out of the blue, that he had the stepfather go to police with this information that the stepson said reportedly. It's just like, apparently he was at the scene, came to the scene the night, the day that Steven Smith's body was found. Is that right? You seem to be stating all the facts that came out of the investigative file and certainly as communicated by the father saying that either he or the PO2

was being represented by Randy Murdoch. I assume that SLED's going to go talk to randy myrtle and i assume that randy myrtle will provide whatever explanation he has for being you know on all sides of the coin on this thing so to speak um or he'll voluntarily give a statement um and we'll know the answer i just don't know i. I don't know. Chief Keel is not telling me who he interviews and who has been interviewed. He can't do that. I'm not law enforcement.

So I'm sure with the rumor mill, somebody's going to find out. Some good reporter like Jennifer will find out from a source that either Randy gave a statement or he was interviewed. Well, you know, I think that's really how from a source that either Randy gave a statement or he was interviewed. Well, you know, I think that's really how this has gotten so, so Murdoch-focused.

Jennifer Woods joining me from Fitz News. Stephen Smith's body is found about eight minutes from Moselle, the Murdoch hunting lodge where Paul and Maggie were murdered. And now you've got Randy Murdoch popping up all throughout the investigation. Right. And in the investigation, the name Murdoch was mentioned more than 40 times during the course of the investigation. And of course, just because it's said does not make it true. Right. Thank you all for being with us today. Again, we are not naming the so-called persons of interest in the name of an uncontaminated, uncontaminated investigation.

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